Giuliani Imploding on Meet the Press - Now

[alsis8xmy]

OMG!
This has got to be youtubed. Russert is killing Giuliani

all I can say is
na na na naaa
na na na naaa
Hey Hey Hey
Goodbye!

[llepard]

OMG!
This has got to be youtubed. Russert is killing Giuliani

all I can say is
na na na naaa
na na na naaa
Hey Hey
Good bye!

Kill em all and let god sort em out. What a war monger.

Of course, in the Vietnam conflict he got a deferment to serve as a law clerk. Coward.

[jasonoliver]

His foreign policy seems to be that of a jungle, "I'll whack them before they whack us"

[bgoldwater]

I love how Russert left out Paul on the polls in the beginning of the show.

[Real_CaGeD]

Kill em all and let god sort em out. What a war monger.

I wonder what Rudy's advisor Podhoretz has to say about the Iran intel report.

[ChristopherJ]

This is a whole hour of asking about scandals. Even if only half of them are true how could anyone think this guy isn't corrupt?

[llepard]

I love how Russert left out Paul on the polls in the beginning of the show.

Yeah I saw that, pissed me off big time.

[hillertexas]

what station?

[Conza88]

link1??!

[AlexMerced]

I wish I had cable

[llepard]

I wonder what Rudy's advisor Podhoretz has to say about the Iran intel report.

He says it is a set up by the security establishment. They are bagging the President he says.

[MozoVote]

That {poll coverage} may not be Russert's call. He just follows the teleprompter. I remember Russert saying that he thought the YouTube "plants" in the CNN debate were not appropriate. He's probably a fair journalist on the inside, but has to kowtow to his employer.

[unconsious767]

I wish I had cable

its on NBC

[Real_CaGeD]

He says it is a set up by the security establishment. They are bagging the President he says.

It seems to me that 16 intel agencies lived up to their oath and did their job. Newt is on snapalotofus with the same neocon talking point.

[allyinoh]

At least someone is putting the heat on Guiliani. He's such a tool.

I know it sounds bad but I want Guiliani to crash and burn. He's not good for this country.

[jake]

I love how Russert left out Paul on the polls in the beginning of the show.

I was flipped to "This Week" where Georgie boy is interviewing Newt Gingrich - they were talking about the early primaries, Newt listed off "the big 5" (McCain, Ghouliani, Huckabee, Thompson, and Romney)

Of course Newt didn't mention one strong candidate. who? Ron Paul.

[alsis8xmy]

I loved the bit about Qatar connection, that should be a show stopper for alot of folks!

[Real_CaGeD]

I loved the bit about Qatar connection, that should be a show stopper for alot of folks!

Russert mention the Qatar connection?:eek:

[bulloncoins]

At least someone is putting the heat on Guiliani. He's such a tool.

I know it sounds bad but I want Guiliani to crash and burn. He's not good for this country.

There will be massive heat poured out on all the front runners. They have to ignore Dr. Paul because they don't have any dirt to throw in his face......

[alsis8xmy]

Also, the bit about quitting the 911 Commission because it conflicted with his paid speaking engagements

[llepard]

Go Russert!

I take my hat off to Russert on this one.

He is going for the good stuff. The Ghoul is sweating.

[alsis8xmy]

It seems that the main stream media is having a hard time finding a replacement for the initially anointed candidates! It seems to me to be acting like a robot that has suddenly lost its connection to the mother ship.

[me3]

Yeah I saw that, pissed me off big time.
I think it is great. Poll #s are attention we do not need.

We're going to come out of nowhere, and blindside these cats.

[jm1776]

It seems that the main stream media is having a hard time finding a replacement for the initially anointed candidates! It seems to me to be acting like a robot that has suddenly lost its connection to the mother ship.
Ha! :D

[rodent]

Yeah I saw that, pissed me off big time.

It's because GE, the owner of NBC, is essentially a defense contractor.

The absolute last guy they want in power is Ron Paul.

[AlexMerced]

its on NBC

lol, now I just an antenna

[LibertyEagle]

Guiliani's making an ass of himself. I love it.

[AlexMerced]

I was flipped to "This Week" where Georgie boy is interviewing Newt Gingrich - they were talking about the early primaries, Newt listed off "the big 5" (McCain, Ghouliani, Huckabee, Thompson, and Romney)

Of course Newt didn't mention one strong candidate. who? Ron Paul.

Newt Hates ron Paul, hell he's helped other candidates campaign against him

Ron Paul is like Chicken little "The Dollar is Crashing, The Dollar is Crashing"

[allyinoh]

Guiliani's making an ass of himself. I love it.

Wow... Have you noticed that "he's not aware" of a lot of things Russert is saying?

This guy is an idiot.

[AlexAmore]

Please someone youtube this whole thing, then we will digg it. I just came in half way through, and all I hear is stumbling and bumbling and "it was my fault" and "I made a mistake" and "I don't remember" blah blah blah.

[allyinoh]

Newt Hates ron Paul, hell he's helped other candidates campaign against him

Ron Paul is like Chicken little "The Dollar is Crashing, The Dollar is Crashing"

I can't even believe FT is up there. What has he done? He's the type where he does nothing but sit there and think everything is going to happen around him for him.

[AlexAmore]

Awwww yeah, on to Judi's police detail. I thought this story was dead and now it is getting revived. Niiiiiice.

[sluggo]

This isn't even airing in my city. There's an infomercial on instead. :rolleyes:

Please youtube this, somebody!

[AlexMerced]

I can't even believe FT is up there. What has he done? He's the type where he does nothing but sit there and think everything is going to happen around him for him.

agreed, the media hyped up to much, expectations were way too high

good FT is in there though, he's keeping the vote split and apathetic... though somehow he's still very high is a lot of states

I think he's trying trying to do a sleeper strategy and wait for everyone to kill each other, and hope everyone votes him so they don't have to vote ron paul

sadly for him, most of us like Ron Paul

[AlexAmore]

Who cares if "a police detail" is something "one would want" or not. It should not have been done and charged to the people of NYC.

[maxbish]

I think it is great. Poll #s are attention we do not need.

We're going to come out of nowhere, and blindside these cats.
QFT

I'm picturing a stray shopping cart full of sour milk meandering across a red-light intersection getting T-boned by a fully loaded Mack truck with Dr. Paul's grassroots effort in the driver's seat wearing a shit-eating grin....

...BAM!!! :cool:

[fuzzybekool]

WOW , Guiliani has literally destroyed his chances. He is dead in the water. He has basically admitted that he can not make good decisions and says when he makes mistakes, they are usually "big ones" . His company does business in Qatar, who helped the mastermind of 9-11 sheik khaled escape Qatar when the FBI came to get him.

There is no way that Guiliani supporters can or should continue to support him after this performance here this morning. He is imploding on Meet The Press and there is no other way you can spin it.

[Mister Grieves]

There is no way that Guiliani supporters can or should continue to support him after this performance here this morning. He is imploding on Meet The Press and there is no other way you can spin it.

Hopefully they aren't trying to consolidate the neo-con vote before the primaries.

[AlexMerced]

haha, Quatar... Inteventionism at work

[frasu]

all I can say is WOW!

and is not done yet...:D

[JPFromTally]

When they interview Ron they spend the whole time talking about ideas. With the Ghoul it's all about him defending himself against scandals. This guy is so dirty.

[AlexMerced]

wow...I think giuliani is about to cry

[AlexAmore]

All the major candidates were invited? What about RP? I wonder if he was invited?

[JPFromTally]

What pisses me off is that people give Ron grief because some racist donates $500 to his campaign that he's not aware of. Yet, this guy is in bed with some of the most unsavory characters in the world in multi-million dollar deals.

[rodent]

They're going to bump off Rudy in the polls and try to redirect his supporters to McCain is my bet.

[LibertyEagle]

That's the way, Rudy. Keep shoving that foot in your mouth. :)

[AlexMerced]

mccain and thompson will spilt the vote if that's the case

either way, we got this

[peruvianRP]

I wish I had cable

This is a local station. You should be able to get it with rabbit ears antenna...at target for $4.00.

well, at least in CT.

[tsetsefly]

utube!

[peruvianRP]

I was watching the interview and Tim went with all guns. Poor Rudy he should have stay out of this race.

hahaha

[frasu]

ooooo, snap, now they go NUTS on discussing about Romney heheheh

[AlexMerced]

This is a local station. You should be able to get it with rabbit ears antenna...at target for $4.00.

well, at least in CT.

I did, I got an antenna and am watching... and holy crap are they grilling him, this is brutal

this almost as bad as that rolling sone article on Huckabee

[Ethek]

Rudy still has his supporters http://www.236.com/video/?bcpid=1272014315&bclid=1125909605&bctid=1271951495

[hawkeyenick]

Rudy still has his supporters http://www.236.com/video/?bcpid=1272014315&bclid=1125909605&bctid=1271951495

lol, this is better than the onion!

[stevedasbach]

All the major candidates were invited? What about RP? I wonder if he was invited?

I doubt it.

[robertwerden]

Say good night Rudy

[bgoldwater]

Well MTP is having Romney next week. Can't wait to see him state how religion should not be a factor in the race, than state that faith is vital for the country.

[Got Liberty?]

Rudy reminds me of O.J Simpson the way he tries to explain himself. What a bullshitter this schmuck is.

[Chester Copperpot]

Kill em all and let god sort em out. What a war monger.

Of course, in the Vietnam conflict he got a deferment to serve as a law clerk. Coward.

I thiink he got 3 or 4 deferrments
I could be wrong. But RP said something about it.. was either mitt or Rudy (maybe both)

[Tedhunter]

Link?!?!

[BeFranklin]

I love how Russert left out Paul on the polls in the beginning of the show.

Huckabee is winning! They left everyone else out in the polls...

[tonyTheBest]

youtubed?

[JMann]

This is a whole hour of asking about scandals. Even if only half of them are true how could anyone think this guy isn't corrupt?

He is a former prosecutor so by definition he is corrupt.

[TheHand]

Replays on MSNBC tonight at 3:00pm pacific. & 11:00pm pacific on Directv today.

[Liberty Star]

I saw that, this video should be a must watch for every voter. Rudy's response was somewhere between mumbling, being tongue tied and baffled answering questions about :

- his business deals with Qatar ministries with ties to same terrorists he wants to fight against and a regime that praised Hezbullah for victory over Israel

- Tax payer paid police services for his girl friend / mistress ( Russert used both terms at times) before 2001 when no one knew about their relationship

- His recommending his close friend and business partner for Homeland Security Chief position ( who has been indicted since) knowing about his crooked ways


Dems would destroy Rudy if he ever got the GOP nomination. Too many contradictions, this guy would lose.

[tsetsefly]

utube!

[spivey378]

will he run 3rd party?

[bew2005]

will he run 3rd party?

+1 best yet :)

[OptionsTrader]

will he run 3rd party?

+1 :D

[Hayek's Heroes]

I think they're about to discuss it on late edition on CNN next.

[RPsupporterAtHeart]

I have not seen this piece yet. But reading how it was taking place on here, and what some others have already said this could be part of the process to direct votes.

I don't think ANYBODY knows what kind of support Ron Paul may draw in for the primaries. It could be HUGE or it could be just the same groups of people that organize and distribute literature.

Either way it doesn't matter, because the POTENTIAL is there for this to explode in the face of the current system of special interest groups and really unite the people. So they must now take precautions, forget about the so called race between "robots", and focus their efforts on 1 or 2 key candidates in an attempt to stamp out RP support before it grows to large to contain.

Attack some candidates while not giving any attention to RP addictive campaign, giving people limited options and information pushing bucket loads of them to someone like McCain.

[FireofLiberty]

I watched part of ABC's "This Week" this morning and I was out of the room but Newt was being interviewed and George asked him about the candidates running or something and he named every single candidate except Paul, Tancredo and Hunter (Paul being highly unusual because he's doing so well in the polls now, better in some key primary states than some of those who he named, like McCain, are) and George, I think (I may have misheard), called him on leaving off Ron saying something like "I noticed you left off Ron Paul" and I'm not sure what Newt said in response and for some reason the convo turned to whether or not Newt would be interested in being the nominee's running mate (George may have mentioned the possibility of Ron being the nominee's running mate. but that's just a possibility).

[Thomas Paine]

There really is a concerted effort by the GOP establishment (hijacked by the neocons) that is purposefully orchestrating an attempt to not mention Ron Paul's name. I was at a recent county GOP meeting in Michigan and Michigan's GOP national committeeman was visiting giving a rah rah speech about the GOP in the upcoming presidential election. He mentioned all the GOP presidential candidates by name except for Ron Paul to whom he referred to (and I quote): "He whose name must not be spoken." Isn't the foregoing a line from the Harry Potter movies? Anyway, pretty childish on the committeeman's part, I thought.

[bobmurph]

Youtube!

[tremendoustie]

will he run 3rd party?

Also, when he stops running, is there anyone in the race he could support? Hillary Clinton?

[cjhowe]

download the video
http://msnbcpod.rd.llnwd.net/e1/video/podcast/pdv_mtp_netcast_m4v-12-09-2007-075656.m4v

[James R]

OMG!
This has got to be youtubed. Russert is killing Giuliani

all I can say is
na na na naaa
na na na naaa
Hey Hey
Good bye!

Giuliani was dead last week or so. No point in focusing any additional mud on him. Set your sights on Huckabee.

[Liberty Star]

On Ron Paul issue, MTP has Biden, Richardson, Thompson, Dodd and almost all other candidates already interviewed or scheduled, it would be absolutely unfair and biased if Tim Russert did not invite Ron Paul.


This is the address for comments/suggestions to MTP/Tim Russert that was in another post:

h ttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6872152/

[logolepsy]

download the video
http://msnbcpod.rd.llnwd.net/e1/video/podcast/pdv_mtp_netcast_m4v-12-09-2007-075656.m4v

Thank you!!! :)

[freedominnumbers]

http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&brand=msnbc&tab=m5&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/&fg=&from=00&vid=e10461f7-89e1-415c-aa58-80d1b6f8066e&playlist=videoByTag:mk:us:vs:0:tag:Source_Meet%20t he%20Press:ns:MSNVideo_Top_Cat:ps:10:sd:-1:ind:1:ff:8A

That's the whole show.

[paulitics]

Giuliani was dead last week or so. No point in focusing any additional mud on him. Set your sights on Huckabee.

not true, this cat has not croaked yet. He still has a stronghold in the biggest states, like CA, NY, FL. Huckster can't win those states. Whoever wins those states will be the GOP nominee imo. The best thing that can happen is if McCain resurrects, and takes some votes away from the Ghoul.

[LFOD]

There really is a concerted effort by the GOP establishment (hijacked by the neocons) that is purposefully orchestrating an attempt to not mention Ron Paul's name. I was at a recent county GOP meeting in Michigan and Michigan's GOP national committeeman was visiting giving a rah rah speech about the GOP in the upcoming presidential election. He mentioned all the GOP presidential candidates by name except for Ron Paul to whom he referred to (and I quote): "He whose name must not be spoken." Isn't the foregoing a line from the Harry Potter movies? Anyway, pretty childish on the committeeman's part, I thought.

So they're back to "first they ignore you" then huh.

They're going to have a really hard time ignoring us this week. :D

[hawkeyenick]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/

entire video

[Geronimo]

Here's part of it, but since joinrudy put the video up I'm willing to bet it doesn't have all the dirt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xleg5eB5MLk


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/

entire video

Edit: I didn't see that until just now.

[adwads]

Watching Gouliani makes me feel nauseous.

[HankScorpio]

Disgusting to see Paul left off all those polls. There really is a conspiracy here. The establishment is terrified of Paul.

[Prez4TheNet]

Why do they keep omitting Ron Paul from the polls. I don't understand.

[Geronimo]

Why do they keep omitting Ron Paul from the polls. I don't understand.
See my signature.

[Luther]

I wonder what Rudy's advisor Podhoretz has to say about the Iran intel report.

Bomb them anyway.

[amberj]

Here's part of it, but since joinrudy put the video up I'm willing to bet it doesn't have all the dirt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xleg5eB5MLk

Edit: I didn't see that until just now.

They also approve comments before they're posted. Somehow I don't think my comment will make it up there.

[JAM824A]

Why does he always bug his eyes out like that? Is it his trapped soul screaming out in pain at forthcoming, and inevitable, lies he will spout...?

I also enjoyed how skilfully he discredited the reliability of the information regarding Iran's nuclear programs while, almost simultaneously, using it as support for why sanctions and threat of military force are beneficial to our national security--that's talent.

[Joe3113]

Disgusting to see Paul left off all those polls. There really is a conspiracy here. The establishment is terrified of Paul.

You're just realizing this now? Better late than never I guess. :) When people realize that the whole thing is a conspiracy, they fight harder.

[Akus]

Disgusting to see Paul left off all those polls. There really is a conspiracy here. The establishment is terrified of Paul.

How do you know RP is left out, may be that particular poll scored him very low? I'm just asking. Oh and why isn't there a one hour Meet the Press with RP, who's won or came a very close second in most of the straw polls?

[Geronimo]

They also approve comments before they're posted. Somehow I don't think my comment will make it up there.

Mine's not up there yet.

[DisabledVet]

"And then I'll put frickin sharkes with frickin lazer beams on their frickin heads to protect out borders.."

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/George-Soros_Dr-Evil.jpg

[icon124]

i can still never get over that RP is leading some of the candidates they show, but still dont put him up....

[slantedview]

Also, the bit about quitting the 911 Commission because it conflicted with his paid speaking engagements

Oh SNAP! :eek:

I want to see this!

[Joe3113]

I'm just starting to watch this video. The prospect of Ghouliani becoming US president is frightening. When you allow someone like neocon fascist madman Norman Podhoretz to be your advisor then you have problems. The neocons have their own philosophic and strategic agenda which is not in the best interests of the US. The whole nuclear weapons crap is just the smokescreen they have chosen to use as a conduit.

[tsetsefly]

i am watching the interview, my god, the first 10 minutes are enough to bury giuliani, his strategy, imo, has been to be very pro war because of his stance on social issues he is trying to garner support of neocons by being war crazy, but he just lost all but the neocons, and he's lost some of them as well... btw that Norman Podhoretz is an insane war monguerer...

and giuliani keeps mentioning the fact that the report says the report is not 100% confident, hmmm why wasn't he asking the confidence interval of the reports of saddam having wmd?... what a tool...

bye bye giuliani...

[Hook]

will he run 3rd party?

No, because the fascist party no longer exists in this country. ;)

[Vendico]

The poll the showed (Iowa):

Huck: 32
Romney: 20
Thompson: 11
McCain: 7
Giuliani: 5

that's 75% total. Who has the other 25%?

New Hampshire:

Romney: 25
Giuliani: 17
McCain: 16
Huck: 11
Thompson: 6

Again, only 75% total...

[NewEnd]

Wow.... look at Rudy try and defend using taxpayer money to give his mistress security!!!

What a f'ing snake!

[Joe3113]

The poll the showed:

Huck: 32
Romney: 20
Thompson: 11
McCain: 7
Giuliani: 5

that's 75% total. Who has the other 25%?

I'll give you a hint......his initials are RP...

[JAM824A]

The poll the showed (Iowa):

Huck: 32
Romney: 20
Thompson: 11
McCain: 7
Giuliani: 5

that's 75% total. Who has the other 25%?

New Hampshire:

Romney: 25
Giuliani: 17
McCain: 16
Huck: 11
Thompson: 6

Again, only 75% total...

Well, duh, there are five other candidates that each got 5% respectively, but they can't put ten names up there. You want them to go bankrupt on graphics?

[ItDoesNotStopWithRonPaul]

If Giuliani says that he does not agree with Podhoretz that we should bomb Iran with nuclear weapons, why doesn't he just fire him as his foreign policy adviser?? Isn't starting a nuclear holocaust a SERIOUS foreign policy issue?

[ChickenHawk]

I thought he handled the questions as well as could be expected. The fact that he even needs to be asked many of those questions is going to kill him though. More than half the interview was about his alleged ethical problems. He hardly got to even talk about the issues.

[Mattsa]

The poll the showed (Iowa):

Huck: 32
Romney: 20
Thompson: 11
McCain: 7
Giuliani: 5

that's 75% total. Who has the other 25%?

New Hampshire:

Romney: 25
Giuliani: 17
McCain: 16
Huck: 11
Thompson: 6

Again, only 75% total...

This is absolutely unbelievable

What the hell can be done about this?

[Hook]

This is absolutely unbelievable

What the hell can be done about this?

Get Ron to 75% in the polls. :D

[Oddball]

No, because the fascist party no longer exists in this country. ;)

It sure DOES still exist.

It's just that we have two wings of it disguised as "opposing" parties. ;)

[Duckman]

I know it sounds bad but I want Guiliani to crash and burn. He's not good for this country.

I feel the same way. If (god forbid) it comes down to Guiliani vs. Hillary...

[Charles Wilson]

The MSM may be attempting to immunize Rudy from information that is already in the public domain. I will believe that the Elite puppet masters are trying to narrow the field by dumping Rudy when he drops out of the race, until that happens I will not count him out.

[DJ RP]

See, it's not only Ron Paul who gets diffiult interviews. We should be happy that when our guy gets tough questions he comes out looking great whereas Rudy comes out looking like an evil, slimey, fucktard lawyer.

[Joe3113]

I feel the same way. If (god forbid) it comes down to Guiliani vs. Hillary...

I just felt a shiver crawl up my spine as I read this

[slantedview]

gawd. i'm watching the beginning where they show poll after poll, NONE of them including paul. it's ridiculous.

also ridiculous, why the hell hasn't paul been on meet the candidates/meet the press!?!?! when will he be on!?

[Ozwest]

Just finished watching the interview, and I would say it was refreshingly good journalism. Rudy looked a little flustered to say the least.

Mister 9/11, master of the universe.

Not.

[Nyte]

Why do they keep omitting Ron Paul from the polls. I don't understand.

Look who is "sponsoring" these Meet the Press interviews...

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/ArtAndPhoto-Fronts/POLITICS/071106/pol_071106_meetcandidates_7.thumb-m.jpg sponsored by: http://m1.2mdn.net/viewad/1360615/boeing_logo_120x30.jpg

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/

[slantedview]

does anyone know the status of an appearance by dr. paul on meet the press?

[freestyl24]

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[Ozwest]

Yeah, he got hammered.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

I'm going through a smirking - grinning - laughing process right now.

Who knows where this could end?

[Nyte]

Wow, I had no idea he owned a "Security" company.

So is Ghuliani another Cheney?

[slantedview]

Yeah, he got hammered.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

I'm going through a smirking - grinning - laughing process right now.

Who knows where this could end?
I was shocked to see Giuliani himself laughing. Tim asked him a very serious question about his law firm's ties to some questionable clients, and Giuliani started laughing.

Quite Presidential.

[speciallyblend]

dec 16th all the media is gonna look like their 5 yrs behind the times and totally out of the loop.

[tonyTheBest]

But in the end I think Giuliani is really good at lying.

[JeffersonThomas]

youtube please! :)

[slantedview]

youtube please! :)

this is all we got for now

http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&brand=msnbc&tab=m5&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/&fg=&from=00&vid=e10461f7-89e1-415c-aa58-80d1b6f8066e&playlist=videoByTag:mk:us:vs:0:tag:Source_Meet%20t he%20Press:ns:MSNVideo_Top_Cat:ps:10:sd:-1:ind:1:ff:8A

[maxbish]

I was shocked to see Giuliani himself laughing. Tim asked him a very serious question about his law firm's ties to some questionable clients, and Giuliani started laughing.

Yeah, he was laughing like a little school girl who just got accused of liking the school nerd. I actually felt uncomfortable for him as he laughed hysterically and had to turn away like I was watching a clip on AFV of a guy getting hit in the groin.

BTW, his lisp is annoying as hell. I can't wait to have a president who can actually speak with power and garner respect.

[Ozwest]

I know this is a cliche, but the perfect storm has been brewing and everything is falling into place. The planets are aligning. Something special is happening.

No bullshit, I am believing we're in with half a chance.

Are you feeling the energy?

[JAM824A]

How can we elect a guy moronic enough to say, "I don't make many mistakes, but when I make them they're big ones," about himself?

[maxbish]

No bullshit, I am believing we're in with half a chance.

Are you feeling the energy?

+100000 :D

[Ozwest]

I don't know, but will people be studying and writing about this forum in years to come?

Are we a part of history?

[Goldwater Conservative]

If Giuliani says that he does not agree with Podhoretz that we should bomb Iran with nuclear weapons, why doesn't he just fire him as his foreign policy adviser?? Isn't starting a nuclear holocaust a SERIOUS foreign policy issue?

Because having a warmonger with a nuclear bomb fetish advising you on foreign policy is nowhere near as disturbing as having one random white nationalist donate to your campaign. Don't you get it? :rolleyes:

[Maverick]

The poll the showed (Iowa):

Huck: 32
Romney: 20
Thompson: 11
McCain: 7
Giuliani: 5

that's 75% total. Who has the other 25%?

New Hampshire:

Romney: 25
Giuliani: 17
McCain: 16
Huck: 11
Thompson: 6

Again, only 75% total...

WTF? Doesn't Ron Paul have 8%+ in both of those states? How the hell can they get away with leaving him off when they include the candidates that are polling lower than he is?

[slantedview]

WTF? Doesn't Ron Paul have 8%+ in both of those states? How the hell can they get away with leaving him off when they include the candidates that are polling lower than he is?

this is the power of media. be afraid.

[Ozwest]

Goldwater Conservative.

Love the irony...

Busting a gut laughing.

[JeffersonThomas]

Does anybody else feel ill just listening to Giuliani? Or maybe I'm just catching a winter cold...it's hard to tell sometimes...

[Ozwest]

I found it most pleasurable to see him exposed for the piss-ant that he is.

[slantedview]

Does anybody else feel ill just listening to Giuliani? Or maybe I'm just catching a winter cold...it's hard to tell sometimes...
not as ill as i felt after looking at all of those polling charts and seeing Dr. Paul deliberately excluded. that made me feel absolutely sick.

[user]

How can we elect a guy moronic enough to say, "I don't make many mistakes, but when I make them they're big ones," about himself?

I've been wondering this since 2000.

[maxbish]

Drudge now has the story up and is linked to Politico

[Ron LOL]

I really want to know just what the hell Tim Russert's problem is.

[Goldwater Conservative]

Goldwater Conservative.

Love the irony...

Busting a gut laughing.

The irony that Goldwater also had a nuclear bomb fetish? :D Nah, I think that was overstated (thanks LBJ), and he was no Podhoretz.

[user]

The irony that Goldwater also had a nuclear bomb fetish? :D Nah, I think that was overstated (thanks LBJ), and he was no Podhoretz.
I think he was just addressing you, but you took it to a whole new level!

[Buzz]

I don't know, but will people be studying and writing about this forum in years to come?

Are we a part of history?

Everyone is part of history. Everyone makes a difference, and it's always bigger than they know.

[Omnis]

Oh, I could so make a video where Ghoully is talking about security "professionals" and how "you don't want it."

[Ozwest]

Goldwater Conservative,

Huh?

[tanverenzo]

You can download a high-quality version from the iTunes' Podcast directory for free.

[ItsTime]

link?


You can download a high-quality version from the iTunes' Podcast directory for free.

[Mattsa]

The Ghoul seemed to spend most of that interview apologisisng for one or other indiscretion.

What a total tosspot. I can't believe the American people would be dumb enough to give this clown the presidency

[ADGettis]

link?

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=204870556

[SamLowrey]

The MSM may be attempting to immunize Rudy from information that is already in the public domain. I will believe that the Elite puppet masters are trying to narrow the field by dumping Rudy when he drops out of the race, until that happens I will not count him out.

My prediction is:
Rudy is a feign. He is there to draw fire and distract people - even the GOP knows a lisping, mincing, cross-dressing gun grabber like Rudy doesn't have much of a chance.
Huckabee is a partial feign.
The "Chosen one" will be Romney with Huckabee as running mate.

[BizmanUSA]

Originally Posted by alsis8xmy
Also, the bit about quitting the 911 Commission because it conflicted with his paid speaking engagements/


OH, Now I know why Rudy didn't know what Dr, Paul was talking about at the early debate when Rudy thought the RP reply was absurd about the Middle East response.

He was at one of his PAID speaking engagements!

Well I am sure there is a Reading Assignment we could recommend to Rudy Y/N? :D

BizmanUSA

[user]

What a total tosspot. I can't believe the American people would be dumb enough to give this clown the presidency

That's what I thought in 2000 and 2004. :(

[BizmanUSA]

Did anybody catch that little sly portion of the security question that Mr. Tim asked Rudy if he is president - something to the effect that would he (Rudy) provide secret service protection to his MISTRESS! :eek: (right around the +/- 42 minute mark)

Rudy is either way smarter that I give him credit for by not even blinking or he was sooo not prepared that he didn't even hear it - I know I wasn't

One for Tim R. :rolleyes:

BizmanUSA

[user]

Did anybody catch that little sly portion of the security question that Mr. Tim asked Rudy if he is president - something to the effect that would he (Rudy) provide secret service protection to his MISTRESS! :eek: (right around the +/- 42 minute mark)

Rudy is either way smarter that I give him credit for by not even blinking or he was sooo not prepared that he didn't even hear it - I know I wasn't

One for Tim R. :rolleyes:

BizmanUSA
Yeah that was awesome, I was hoping the Ghoul would react to it.

[BizmanUSA]

Something I seemed to notice - that when Russert was about to drop a bomb shell or some major issue he was always looking down or away from Rudy and this was a clue of letting Rudy know to be prepared and/or he needed his protection.

Maybe it was just me?

BizmanUSA

[TheEvilDetector]

this is the power of media. be afraid.

Be very .... very afraid.

LOL sorry couldn't resist.

[american.swan]

See my signature.

In all correspondence to media we should be very polite and kind. Something like...

Dear sir,

Today I noticed you refused to include Ron Paul in your polls. Though some are angry over this, it clearly shows the complete fear the establishment has with Ron Paul's government shaking message. Also, it is perfectly natural that you as a journalist would ignore or attempt to downplay any support Ron Paul may have due to the danger it might cause to your personal family. As William Colby states, "The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." I as a Ron Paul supporter fully understand that you wouldn't do anything that might cause the CIA to harm your family.

I send my deepest condolences in you being 'controlled'.

Thank you,

Ron Paul supporter.

[TheEvilDetector]

This is classic.

Giuliani is clearly very intelligent and he has great skill at putting any negative situation in a good light.

No doubt his court experience as a lawyer helped tremendously with that. I would go so far as to say, that I do not share the overall sentiment that he imploded.

I think the closer term would be that his image slipped somewhat.

I actually believe that SOME may come away with the impression that he is a rational intelligent man who did the best he could under the circumstances and is not a bad man.

However, for all his intelligence he lacks wisdom and this is where overall his image suffers, at least in my eyes.

His middle east regional planning aspirations will end up in total disaster if he were to become president. It will bleed the country dry financially and in the direct sense also. It will demoralise the troops, for it will dawn on them, that they are not protecting US from any threat but are simply engaged in oil related security duties in hostile foreign countries without an end in sight.

The thing that is clear is that Giuliani is very committed to waging the war in Iraq and he would only stop if military staff told him the mission is impossible (but military staff are unlikely to ever admit such a thing).

Additionally he has no problems with broad interference in the middle east by assisting with security against islamic terrorism, even though this type of assistance can be interpreted quite broadly and can result in generalised American meddling in internal affairs of middle eastern states.

It was telling he slipped and said (paraphrasing) that Qatar is going in the direction WE want them to go in.

It was also telling that he said he left commission due to him considering running for president.

This shows that he considers personal advancement as more important than getting to the bottom of a terrorist attack.

He did not deny speech money being a factor, so this also shows that personal enrichment is more important than a terrorist investigation.

While these motivations are understandable, you have to put them in context of what office he is trying to get to currently.

Imagine a president who might not hesitate to put a consolidation of personal power and riches above his duty to the people that elect him to get to the bottom of a terrorist attack should one occur.

Giuliani has extensive business connections throughout the country and middle east and accordingly carries a high risk of possible conflicts of interests between public and private interests eg. if a middle eastern client or someone closely connected to a client of one of his security/legal firms were to be a target of US intelligence scrutiny for real or alleged wrongdoings against US, would he influence the investigations in any way?

Certainly, every single Republican candidate can have potential conflicts of interest in office, but if you put them side by side, Giuliani is likely to be near or at the top in my opinion.

The central point here is that you have to view Giuliani in terms of his apparent priorities.

I would argue that his priorities are such that if he were to become president the national interests of US may not rise to be above his private interests and that is a very risky situation for a constitutional republic.

My final judgement on Giuliani:

The man has questionable personal motivations, judgements and priorities due to his character and business connections

In addition, the man does not accept the doctrine of non-interventionism and holds more or less the opposite view.

As a result there is more than an acceptable amount of risk if he is elected to be President.

He fails the public perception and philosophy test as far as I am concerned.

NEXT!

[Liberty Star]

I saw that, this video should be a must watch for every voter. Rudy's response was somewhere between mumbling, being tongue tied and baffled answering questions about :

- his business deals with Qatar ministries with ties to same terrorists he wants to fight against and a regime that praised Hezbullah for victory over Israel

- Tax payer paid police services for his girl friend / mistress ( Russert used both terms at times) before 2001 when no one knew about their relationship

- His recommending his close friend and business partner for Homeland Security Chief position ( who has been indicted since) knowing about his crooked ways


Dems would destroy Rudy if he ever got the GOP nomination. Too many contradictions, this guy would lose.




Couple of clips of that MTP interview:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2E5bNSuPVw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE9uKnIwGr0