11 Reasons Your ‘Concern’ for Fat People’s Health Isn’t Helping Anyone

[PositiveBodyImage]

​11 Reasons Your ‘Concern’ for Fat People’s Health Isn’t Helping Anyone

http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/01/concern-trolling-is-bullshit/


1. Because Stereotyped Assumptions About Someone’s Weight Are Oppressive


You claim to be worried about a fat person, and the first thing you think about is diabetes.
Okay.

What about the negative judgment that they’re subjected to from people – both from individuals and society as a whole – and the impact that has on their lives?

Think about what it must be like for larger people – that is, most people living in the United States (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/obesity-overweight.htm) – to confront daily in the papers, magazines, television shows, and commercials that their bodies are unattractive and constitute a horrifying public health crisis.
To hear assumptions from dietitians and other healthcare practitioners that because of a physical characteristic, their weight, they must be unhealthy and engaging in poor self-care.

To then have people on the Internet dedicating entire comment threads to berating them.

Everyone – fat or thin – is severely harmed by this message. And as social justice activists, it’s first and foremost your job to show empathy to marginalized folks – and then look inward to examine your unchallenged assumptions.

As Marilyn Wann (http://www.marilynwann.com/) famously says in her weight diversity talks, “The only thing anyone can accurately diagnose when looking at a fat person is their own level of weight prejudice.”

2. Because Fat Doesn’t Kill

There is a commonly quoted statistic that people allow to fuel the fat-shaming fire, and that is this: that “obesity” is the second leading cause of preventable death in the US.

Let’s burst that bubble right here: It’s not true.

And yes, of course if you Google it, a bunch of health organizations will come up, quoting it as fact. But here’s why: because a 2004 CDC-sponsored study (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15010446) stated that approximately 350,000 deaths per year are related to being “overweight” or “obese,” second only to smoking.

But in 2005 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/sb110117970881981681), the same journal published a re-analysis (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15840860) with more scientifically accurate results, putting the number closer to 25,000 – a 94% difference.

But because it’s much easier to fear-monger by telling people they’re likely to die, the fact that it was a mistake and that you have more or less equal chances of dying in a car accident and dying from disease related to “obesity” isn’t widely publicized to the American people.

So if you used to think that fat was deadly and that’s what you were using to help “motivate” people to thinness, you can stop doing that now.

In reality, if you want to use the oft-quoted BMI scale (more on that later), scientific evidence actually indicates (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15652713) that people categorized as “overweight” live longer than those categorized as “normal,” and most “obese” people live similarly long lives as their “normal” counterparts.

3. Because Fat Doesn’t Cause Disease Either

Right. So if fat itself isn’t the problem, then what about diabetes and heart disease, which we’ve been socialized to believe are “obesity-related” illnesses? Don’t those lead to death?

Well, yes.

And it makes sense that people think that fat, then, is the problem. After all, there are, indeed, diseases (like diabetes and heart disease) that are more common in heavier people.

But there are also higher incidences of death by drowning in places where there are more ice cream sales.

So, let’s have a quick lesson in stats, shall we?

Correlation does not equal causation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/correlation_does_not_imply_causation).
Just because some factors, on the surface, seem related doesn’t mean that they have a causal relationship. It’s not an easy cause-and-effect equation, where situation A results in situation B.

Take the drowning-and-ice-cream scenario. People aren’t drowning because of ice cream, although it might seem that way on the surface. Rather, both drowning and the sale of ice cream are more likely to happen at the beach. The beach, in this case, is what we might call a confounding factor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/confounding).

Similarly, there are confounding factors that complicate the relationship between fat and disease.
For example, one hugely important factor is that of dieting. And not that those who diet are more likely to be healthy – quite the opposite, actually.

Both dieting and weight (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2041550) cycling (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20036858) – that is, the process of going on a diet, losing weight, regaining the weight (and sometimes more), then going on another diet, losing weight, regaining the weight, and on and on and on – increase inflammation (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20368473).
And inflammation itself is actually a risk factor for many diseases that are typically blamed on “obesity,” like diabetes and heart disease.
And who do you think is more likely to have lived a life of constant dieting and weight cycling? People of size.
Correlation. But no causation.

That is to say, it’s not as simple as it seems on the surface. And just because both fat and disease are present does not mean that the former caused the latter.

4. Because, If Anything, Fatphobia Causes Adverse Health Effects


Continue reading: http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/01/concern-trolling-is-bullshit/

[tod evans]

Oh for Pete's sake........:rolleyes:

[Origanalist]

Is Pete fat?

[PositiveBodyImage]

Oh for Pete's sake........:rolleyes:
You're not helping Pete's self esteem and mental health. We need to promote a healthy body image in order to promote mental health.

[tod evans]

You're not helping Pete's self esteem and mental health. We need to promote a healthy body image in order to promote mental health.

"We" don't need to support shit......

Take that mouse in your pocket and put it on your next sammich......

[PositiveBodyImage]

"We" don't need to support $#@!......

Take that mouse in your pocket and put it on your next sammich......
We, as a collective society, must end fat shaming and fatphobia.

[tod evans]

We, as a collective society, must end fat shaming and fatphobia.

I'm not part of "your" society.....

Not now, not ever.

[PositiveBodyImage]

I'm not part of "your" society.....

Not now, not ever.

This is the society you and your fellow cis-male whites created. Now it is your duty to replace your oppressive patriarchy with an inclusive society based on tolerance and equality for all.

[tod evans]

This is the society you and your fellow cis-male whites created. Now it is your duty to replace your oppressive patriarchy with an inclusive society based on tolerance and equality for all.

No it's not.

Best you can hope for is a bad aim........

[PositiveBodyImage]

No it's not.

Best you can hope for is a bad aim........
And this is why we need to disarm white males!

[tod evans]

And this is why we need to disarm white males!

:D

[heavenlyboy34]

And this is why we need to disarm white males!

Troll level: expert.

[dannno]

Hah, I know the OP is trolling here but for those who don't know the OP is total BS

Science Proves It: Fat-Shaming Works
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/07/05/fat-shaming-is-good-science/

Milo: ‘100% Of Fat People Are F**ing Gross’
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/09/22/milo-explains-fat-shaming-good/

[PositiveBodyImage]

Hah, I know the OP is trolling here but for those who don't know the OP is total BS

Science Proves It: Fat-Shaming Works
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/07/05/fat-shaming-is-good-science/

Milo: ‘100% Of Fat People Are F**ing Gross’
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/09/22/milo-explains-fat-shaming-good/

I'm not surprised someone posted that self-hating, white nationalist transphobic, fatphobic, misogynist racist and his radical right-wing website.

[The Gold Standard]

LOL. Well played. You fat fuck.

[Suzanimal]

I don't give a crap if someone's fat as long as I don't have to buy their food.

[PositiveBodyImage]

I don't give a crap if someone's fat

Well you should. And you should celebrate their body.

[Suzanimal]

Well you should. And you should celebrate their body.

I watch Oprah.

[PositiveBodyImage]

I watch Oprah.
The Oprah Winfrey Show has been off he air for 5 years!

[tod evans]

Well you should. And you should celebrate their body.

http://extension.oregonstate.edu/sites/default/files/imagecache/extension_page_lightbox/61-028.jpg

[PositiveBodyImage]

I'm starting to think this isn't the forum for me.

[Suzanimal]

The Oprah Winfrey Show has been off he air for 5 years!

Well, The View was on at the gym today but I think Whoopi had the day off.

[tod evans]

I'm starting to think this isn't the forum for me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi5BKTLU2bQ

[Suzanimal]

I ate a piece of Halloween candy in solidarity with fat people. I'm such a good person.

[PositiveBodyImage]

I ate a piece of Halloween candy in solidarity with fat people. I'm such a good person.
You should ask Sola_Fide (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=27438) if you really are good.

[The Gold Standard]

I ate a piece of Halloween candy in solidarity with fat people. I'm such a good person.

It isn't solidarity. You are just offending them again. If you want to sympathize with them, you need to eat a garbage bag full of candy every day until you weigh as much as they do.

[Suzanimal]

You should ask Sola_Fide (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=27438) if you really are good.


Is he fat?

[Suzanimal]

It isn't solidarity. You are just offending them again. If you want to sympathize with them, you need to eat a garbage bag full of candy every day until you weigh as much as they do.

Next time, I will buy King sized candy bars.

[Suzanimal]

You should ask Sola_Fide (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=27438) if you really are good.

I ate two mini Baby Ruth bars. They looked like little turds but they were good. Do you think SF can suggest a gooder candy bar?

[The Gold Standard]

Next time, I will buy King sized candy bars.

That's a start. As long as you understand that you won't be a good person until you put on a few hundred pounds.

[TheTexan]

There is beauty in everyone.

You just gotta find it sometimes.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/93/d6/96/93d696e12281b9d285ea9b5434807268.jpg

It's in there somewhere.

[The Gold Standard]

There is beauty in everyone.

You just gotta find it sometimes.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/93/d6/96/93d696e12281b9d285ea9b5434807268.jpg

It's in there somewhere.

It could be in the person that she swallowed.

[TheTexan]

It could be in the person that she swallowed.

If she lost 20-30 pounds she'd be kinda cute.

[Suzanimal]

That's a start. As long as you understand that you won't be a good person until you put on a few hundred pounds.

I rode all the way home from Buffalo with my fat jeans unbuttoned because I ate too much pizza. That's gotta count for something....

[The Gold Standard]

I rode all the way home from Buffalo with my fat jeans unbuttoned because I ate too much pizza. That's gotta count for something....

Hey, the effort goes a long way with me, but probably not the horizontally challenged (is that the PC term these days?) so much.

[Sola_Fide]

Is he fat?

No way! I'm in better shape now than I was when I was 18. I've been training jui jitsu and boxing for the past year. I'd post pictures but people would rip me apart here anyway haha

[Natural Citizen]

No way! I'm in better shape now than I was when I was 18. I've been training jui jitsu and boxing for the past year. I'd post pictures but people would rip me apart here anyway haha

Yo. Knock it off, runt. :)

[Sola_Fide]

Yo. Knock it off, runt. :)

I've been getting my ass kicked 3 times week for the past year. I guess I'm trying to prove something to myself :(

[heavenlyboy34]

No way! I'm in better shape now than I was when I was 18. I've been training jui jitsu and boxing for the past year. I'd post pictures but people would rip me apart here anyway haha

Brazillian Jits, amirite? :) Cool! :cool:

[Natural Citizen]

I've been getting my ass kicked 3 times week for the past year. I guess I'm trying to prove something to myself :(

It feels good to be healthy, doesn't it? And physically strong.

I'm trimming down, myself, since cutting gym time and gaining some quiet time. Which I've found is equally beneficial. Perhaps more beneficial in terms if overall health.

[dannno]

If she lost 20-30 pounds she'd be kinda cute.

That could totally be Suz + 500 lbs.

[Suzanimal]

That could totally be Suz + 500 lbs.

She's more woman than I'll ever be.

[euphemia]

Size matters. When I pay for a ticket to a sports event that has bleacher style seating, and I'm next to two people who weight 300 pounds apiece, they need to fit on the seats they paid for, and they better not be eating a pretzel, either.

The venue bases their ticket price on 50 people per row, and if only 40 people can fit on the row because most of them are too big, then the venue loses money. I'm not into fat shaming, but it's something I deal with every day. The practical aspect has to be considered.

[Sola_Fide]

Brazillian Jits, amirite? :) Cool! :cool:

Yeah. I'm getting better. :)

[Suzanimal]

Size matters. When I pay for a ticket to a sports event that has bleacher style seating, and I'm next to two people who weight 300 pounds apiece, they need to fit on the seats they paid for, and they better not be eating a pretzel, either.

The venue bases their ticket price on 50 people per row, and if only 40 people can fit on the row because most of them are too big, then the venue loses money. I'm not into fat shaming, but it's something I deal with every day. The practical aspect has to be considered.

Right on! :mad:

[John F Kennedy III]

The worst part is SJWs actually believe that nonsense.

[euphemia]

We don't scold people or make them buy another seat, but it is definitely reflected in ticket prices. We could probably charge two dollars less per ticket if more people were a little more weight conscious and we could seat at projected capacity. I'm not talking about people who are somewhat overweight, but people who are morbidly obese. Some days the wheelchair rentals are sold out because people are too obese to walk more than a few feet. I don't think it ever occurred to the building designers to include more electrical outlets in public spaces to charge scooters.

All those things have a cost attached. It is in the best interests of everyone to be concerned about general health and wellness.

[tod evans]

We don't scold people or make them buy another seat, but it is definitely reflected in ticket prices. We could probably charge two dollars less per ticket if more people were a little more weight conscious and we could seat at projected capacity. I'm not talking about people who are somewhat overweight, but people who are morbidly obese. Some days the wheelchair rentals are sold out because people are too obese to walk more than a few feet. I don't think it ever occurred to the building designers to include more electrical outlets in public spaces to charge scooters.

All those things have a cost attached. It is in the best interests of everyone to be concerned about general health and wellness.

Simply charge by the pound.

Nobody can scream discrimination that way...

Up to and including 160# one set price, under 100# one set price, every 20# over 160 gets a surcharge of X dollars

[Chester Copperpot]

how does someone join and get banned in the same day talking about fat people.. and i missed it. haha


i wonder if this is fire 11

[euphemia]

That's not what we are about.

It is an issue throughout society. Obesity affects everyone and everything. Some days I walk by restaurants or food courts and they look like showrooms for durable medical equipment. About 70% of what I see appears to be directly related to obesity.

People are passing this heritage down through their families. I see whole families that don't have a single member in a normal weight range. Imagine what that looks like at a theme park when a parent is too big to ride the teacup ride with their kids because they don't fit on the ride.

[Suzanimal]

how does someone join and get banned in the same day talking about fat people.. and i missed it. haha


i wonder if this is fire 11

I suspect it was Eduardo.

[tod evans]

That's not what we are about.

It is an issue throughout society. Obesity affects everyone and everything. Some days I walk by restaurants or food courts and they look like showrooms for durable medical equipment. About 70% of what I see appears to be directly related to obesity.

People are passing this heritage down through their families. I see whole families that don't have a single member in a normal weight range. Imagine what that looks like at a theme park when a parent is too big to ride the teacup ride with their kids because they don't fit on the ride.

Dime to a dollar that of the people you notice being obese 70+% are being fed by the taxpayer, either directly or indirectly.

Same goes for their medical "care".....

This is what happens when people are paid to vote and paid to breed...

[Chester Copperpot]

I suspect it was Eduardo.

i just went to his webite dangerousmother.com

guy is an idiot.... biggest collection of bullshit next to clickbait

[RJB]

There is beauty in everyone.

You just gotta find it sometimes.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/93/d6/96/93d696e12281b9d285ea9b5434807268.jpg

It's in there somewhere.

Is that a giant bagel slipping out from under her dress.

[tod evans]

^^^^^Toto is scared..:eek: ^^^^^

http://toto-toilet.com/assets/images/TotoMicroHedr.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

I don't give a crap if someone's fat as long as I don't have to buy their food.

As a fat guy, I appreciate that.

The rest of ya'll, mind your own fucking business.

[heavenlyboy34]

Yeah. I'm getting better. :)

:thumbsup: :D Remember to share t00bs when you start competing. Jits is almost as spectacular as judo. :cool:

[Sola_Fide]

:thumbsup: :D Remember to share t00bs when you start competing. Jits is almost as spectacular as judo. :cool:

I rolled with a Judo guy a while back who was just starting to learn BJJ. The dude was so strong.

[TheTexan]

Is that a giant bagel slipping out from under her dress.

There's one way to find out.

[Anti Federalist]

Obesity Everything affects everyone and everything...

Yup, and once you reach that point, nothing is outside of regulation and control.

[Danke]

There's one way to find out.

Email her?

[RJB]

There's one way to find out.

By asking HB?

[heavenlyboy34]

By asking HB?

Leave me out of this. :P I bet dannnno knows.

[Sola_Fide]

Are you guys still arguing about who is the homosexual? Hahaha. That hasn't changed for years!

[John F Kennedy III]

Are you guys still arguing about who is the homosexual? Hahaha. That hasn't changed for years!

Haha. How long were you gone?

[Sola_Fide]

Haha. How long were you gone?

I think a little over a year.

[John F Kennedy III]

I think a little over a year.

I've been back for two months after like a two year absence. Danke still tries to pass off his trolling as serious comments and HB is still Gay Jesus.

[RJB]

Leave me out of this. :P I bet dannnno knows.

OK. Dannno? What do you know?

[tod evans]

I've been getting my ass kicked 3 times week for the past year. I guess I'm trying to prove something to myself :(

Is this the modern day form of self flagellation?

http://nihilobstat.info/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/dvcopusdei.jpg

[Suzanimal]

OK. Dannno? What do you know?

You sure you want him to answer to that?

[John F Kennedy III]

Dannno knows everything.

[Suzanimal]

Dannno knows everything.

He better keep his mouth shut. Loose lips sink ships.

[tod evans]

He better keep his mouth shut. Loose lips sink ships.

Loose lips also inflate bimbos;



There is beauty in everyone.

You just gotta find it sometimes.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/93/d6/96/93d696e12281b9d285ea9b5434807268.jpg

It's in there somewhere.

[John F Kennedy III]

He better keep his mouth shut. Loose lips sink ships.

He knows.

[euphemia]

The overhanging skin visible in the picture is called the pannus. Yes, folks, it has a name.

[John F Kennedy III]

The overhanging skin visible in the picture is called the pannus. Yes, folks, it has a name.

Cut it off.

[Suzanimal]

There's one way to find out.

Cream cheese?

[Suzanimal]

As a fat guy, I appreciate that.

The rest of ya'll, mind your own fucking business.

In all seriousness, I like a man with a little extra meat on the bone. Mr Animal lost a bunch of weight this year and, although he's not skinny, I think he'd look better if he put back on 15 or 20 lbs. He lost 70lbs, btw. When people ask how he did it, he tells them he got circumcised :rolleyes: but he actually just started eating at home with me. He's about 5'6" and went from a size 44 pants to a 34.

[DamianTV]

We, as a collective society, must end fat shaming and fatphobia.

According to who? The only way youre going to do that is by changing the psychological associations people have of fat with unhealthy. Perhaps it is a misconception, but it wasnt until some time in the last century that being "skinny" was considered sexy. Before those days, being fat was associated with wealth, and those who were skinny were poor. No worries as those days will be upon us soon enough again.