He is a Hillary plant, it is so Obvious.

[Danke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FSD4pECZ9I

[Danke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z0rGsPMAoY

[UWDude]

It doesn't even matter anymore. Trump is going to win by a landside whether people believe CTR's divide and conquer tactics or not.

[timosman]

CNN hitting Trump for advertising money :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H613iUjfzc8

[UWDude]

CNN hitting Trump for advertising money :D


LoL... why is she asking him that non question? Don't waste his time asking the same stupid question over and over again.
Also, looks like Dana Bash has seen the writing on the wall.

I found it funny too, in another video, Wolf Blitzer started to ask Trump's Campaign manager to stop penning in the press. I wonder if he realizes trump made them prisoners, so 1) they would know he is in charge, and 2) they start negotiations from a point of weakness. these are the people who thought they would dictate the terms to him, and tell him what he could and could not say.

[ronpaulhawaii]

The fact that he goes on about the Clinton Machine being at the center of the corruption rather than the Fed is telling.

He isn't saying anything new, he is just saying what the internet had already made very hard to hide and was fast becoming a problem.

I don't know what kind of game they are playing, but I'm sure there are factions itching for civil disorder...

I really have trouble wrapping my mind around how a self-proclaimed billionaire "King of Debt" can be seen as anti-establishment. Only the debt free are not beholden to others and operating at Trump's level is not just talking to the branch manager at the local credit union. I'd imagine he has YUUUGE ledgers, I wonder who he is beholden to...

Further, I think all can accept that blackmail is a tactic of the unsavory, and most accept that various entities collect data on the prominent looking for an Achilles heel. Does anyone think Trump doesn't have a skeleton or two that he'd REALLY prefer not shared? One that could be used to make sure he remained a good puppet in the unlikely event he won?

And why would Hillary's handlers promote him if he was genuinely anti-establsihment? I mean, it's pretty much accepted wisdom that they work to load both "sides", in case the unexpected happens. Why did they give him so much free press?

I supported Paul because he addressed deep issues, had a long record of walking a straight path, and was honest

Trump has none of that

#FancyWordsAreFancy

#EndTheFed

[UWDude]

I really have trouble wrapping my mind around how a self-proclaimed billionaire "King of Debt" can be seen as anti-establishment. Only the debt free are not beholden to others and operating at Trump's level is not just talking to the branch manager at the local credit union. I'd imagine he has YUUUGE ledgers, I wonder who he is beholden to...

He also has huge assets. He is not beholden to his debt, he just likes it as a business tool. You are only a slave to debt if not paying it means you are homeless. Play a game like Sim City or Railroad Tycoon to see that debt is not necessarily bad.

He wants to audit the Fed. That seemed to be enough for many to support candidates here, although I don't think you ever supported the weak Republican candidates many here thought were ok. I never did. (amash maybe)


Further, I think all can accept that blackmail is a tactic of the unsavory,

I don't believe in savory or unsavory tactics. I believe in fighting the good fight. That is why I have never disavowed terrorism, nuclear warfare, or torture.
But I have opposed the US of it by the United States for a long time. Why? Because the United States was being evil. It was doing evil things around the world. Which is why someone telling me the United States is using precision bombs in Iraq would still piss me off. I don;t care they are precision. the war is evil, therefore the weapon is evil. So if the united states was armed with pillows and cotton balls, but attacking another nation for no reason, I would consider it unsavory. To me, tactics are neutral, the reason for the fight is what counts.





One that could be used to make sure he remained a good puppet in the unlikely event he won?

1. He is going to win. State media can fuck off. 2) everybody has skeletons. I assume he can cover his tracks. You have skeletons. I bet even Ron Paul has one or two. So why does that now disqualify Trump.


And why would Hillary's handlers promote him if he was genuinely anti-establsihment?

tehy didn't "promote him" Jesus, an email says they hope he runs, and suddenly they are "promoting" him.

Because he made them do it.



I supported Paul because he addressed deep issues, had a long record of walking a straight path, and was honest

what is Trumps record?

[timosman]

I bet even Ron Paul has one or two.

Jesse B.? :D

[UWDude]

Jesse B.? :D

We have all had opinions that have changed over time. I am sure Ron Paul said things about some issues that many would find distasteful.

[openfire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FSD4pECZ9I


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Danke again.

Share this video with everyone you know ASAP!

[jmdrake]

what is Trumps record?

Supporting an assault weapons ban.

Supporting Hillary Clinton for senate.

Donating to Rahm Emmanuel to be mayor of Chicago.

Supporting illegal immigration.

Supporting late term abortion.

Basically being a progressive left wing democrat.

"Yeah I guess so" on the Iraq war.

Supporting the overthrow of Qaddafi in Libya.

Then Bill Clinton called Trump on the phone and suggested he should get involved in Republican politics and he had a Damascus road experience! Hallelujah! Bill Clinton was Donald Trump's savior!

[UWDude]

Supporting an assault weapons ban.
Yeah, that aint now


Supporting Hillary Clinton for senate.

that aint now


Donating to Rahm Emmanuel to be mayor of Chicago.

He has donated to everybody, he has already explained that. he pays off politicians and makes deals


Supporting illegal immigration.

Oh yeah, sure. He is a big proponent of that, I am sure.


Supporting late term abortion.

that aint now.


Basically being a progressive left wing democrat.

That's what I think, when I hear the word Trump.


"Yeah I guess so" on the Iraq war.

Whatever, his reluctant support before, and immediate critique as soon as it started, that also took into account the deaths of civilians, (I lived then, and I know nobody even cared about dead Iraqis, it was a very lonely country) lets me know if he publicly stated to care about iraqi civilians... he cared. nobody else was saying anything like that.


Supporting the overthrow of Qaddafi in Libya.
Hardly. He was also the only person to offer his land to Gaddafi for his tent when Gaddafi visited. He surely would not intervene for nothing in the first place.


Then Bill Clinton called Trump on the phone and suggested he should get involved in Republican politics and he had a Damascus road experience! Hallelujah! Bill Clinton was Donald Trump's savior!

when trump wins... will you apologize for talking this nonsense about him being a democratic plant?




So, how many other Presidential candidates do you know that went on the Alex Jones show, 9/11 thermite guy in signature?

[CaptUSA]

Yeah, that aint now

that aint now

He has donated to everybody, he has already explained that. he pays off politicians and makes deals

Oh yeah, sure. He is a big proponent of that, I am sure.

that aint now.

That's what I think, when I hear the word Trump.

Whatever, his reluctant support before, and immediate critique as soon as it started, that also took into account the deaths of civilians, (I lived then, and I know nobody even cared about dead Iraqis, it was a very lonely country) lets me know if he publicly stated to care about iraqi civilians... he cared. nobody else was saying anything like that.


Hardly. He was also the only person to offer his land to Gaddafi for his tent when Gaddafi visited. He surely would not intervene for nothing in the first place. (Um, better check yo facts, son.)



Lol... It's so great to quote your delusions all together. Yeah, he's really changed... :rolleyes: Like, when he started running for President. That's how you know it's real!!

[Todd]

It doesn't even matter anymore. Trump is going to win by a landside whether people believe CTR's divide and conquer tactics or not.

At this point I can't even tell anymore. Either he is way ahead and this is the greatest polling slight of hand, or it's the truth and Hillary crushes him. I don't know how people figure he is going to win in a landslide unless they see this as the next wave of the issues that gave wings to Brexit and other mass movements rejecting progressive policy.

[jmdrake]

Yeah, that aint now

You asked for his record. You know what a record is right? Let me explain it to you. A record is what someone did in the past. Saying "Yeah, that ain't now" over and over again to rebut a record does not in fact rebut a record. Ron Paul has a record for being pro liberty because he was pro liberty when that wasn't cool. He was against the Iraq war when 70% of Americans, republican and democrat, were for it. He kept that position when 70% of Republicans were still for it. Trump gave a "Yeah I guess so" on Iraq. Trump said "Qaddafi is killing thousands of people. Nobody knows how bad it is. We have soldiers all over the middle east. And we're not bringing them in to stop this horrible carnage...and that's what it is. It's a carnage." on Libya. Trump supported late term abortion and an assault weapons ban. That's his record. He couldn't win the GOP nomination on his record. So he changed his tune without ever admitting that his record was wrong.


Whatever, his reluctant support before, and immediate critique as soon as it started, that also took into account the deaths of civilians, (I lived then, and I know nobody even cared about dead Iraqis, it was a very lonely country) lets me know if he publicly stated to care about iraqi civilians... he cared. nobody else was saying anything like that.

And his reasoning for supporting the overthrow of Qaddafi after seeing the disaster Iraq was is what exactly? He advocated sending in troops to take out Qaddafi. Fool me once shame on me. Fool me twice...you can't get fooled again.




Hardly. He was also the only person to offer his land to Gaddafi for his tent when Gaddafi visited. He surely would not intervene for nothing in the first place.


:rolleyes:

Every time I think I might actually vote for Trump I come on hear are see how moronic some of his supporters (like you) are and I'm brought back to reality. Trump totally called for the overthrow of Qaddafi.

Here is a direct quote from Donald Trump in February 2011.

"Qaddafi is killing thousands of people. Nobody knows how bad it is. We have soldiers all over the middle east. And we're not bringing them in to stop this horrible carnage...and that's what it is. It's a carnage."

Oh but he gets in the GOP debate and lies and denies and that's good enough for you. Hell....watch it for yourself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuvZQMY9WNw

But you won't believe the truth about Donald Trump even when it comes directly from the mouth of Donald Trump.


when trump wins... will you apologize for talking this nonsense about him being a democratic plant?

When Trump wins and then confiscates your property under imminent domain will you apologize for being a sucker? When Trump in his second term decides an assault weapons ban is really a good idea will you apologize for being a sucker? When Trump makes good on his promise to deport millions of illegals and then bring most of them back and open the floodgates for new immigration will you apologize for being a sucker? (Oh? You didn't know Trump said he would bring back the good illegals as rapidly as possible?)

Probably not. You'll convince yourself that this was all what you wanted anyway. At this point I hope Trump wins simply because he's less likely to get us in a shooting war with Russia. But that doesn't mean I'm going to put my brain in neutral as you have done and pretend he hasn't been all over the map on every issue under the sun.


So, how many other Presidential candidates do you know that went on the Alex Jones show, 9/11 thermite guy in signature?

I don't worship Alex Jones. Prior to Trump going on his show Alex Jones said about Trump exactly what I say about him now. But AJ sold out. He saw Trump had a better shot at winning than Rand and Trump was willing to say what AJ wanted to hear and so AJ sold out. Maybe I'll forgive AJ in a year or so just like people forgave Rand for endorsing Mitt Romney. But the facts are the facts. Trump pushed for the overthrow of Qaddafi and then lied about it in the debates. There's no way I would trust a man who could lie so easily. You shouldn't either.

[UWDude]

You asked for his record dumbass. You know what a record is right?

record is what you've done, quotes are what you've said.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuvZQMY9WNw
.

I watched the 1st 17 seconds, and I like his position now. Sounds like maybe he learned the lesson, and... ...nobody else says we'd be better off with Assad, Ghaddafi, and Sadam still in power. I'll just stop there.


What about my last question?

So, how many other Presidential candidates do you know that went on the Alex Jones show, 9/11 thermite guy in signature?

And did he ever disavow Alex Jones? Call him a crazy conspiracy theorist?

[jmdrake]

Lol... It's so great to quote your delusions all together. Yeah, he's really changed... :rolleyes: Like, when he started running for President. That's how you know it's real!!

Hardcore Trump supporter vs box of rocks on intelligence test. Bets? Note I'm not talking the "I love Trump because he's going to destroy the GOP establishment and nothing else" types or the "Well....it's him or Hillary" types. No I mean the drunk the kool-aid "I'm going to ignore the fact that Donald Trump called for U.S. troops to invade Libya to take out Qaddafi and focus Trump rolling out the red carpet for Qaddafi when the U.S. establishment was still treating Qaddafi as a rock star because...well the truth is too painful" types.

[UWDude]

At this point I can't even tell anymore. Either he is way ahead and this is the greatest polling slight of hand, or it's the truth and Hillary crushes him. I don't know how people figure he is going to win in a landslide unless they see this as the next wave of the issues that gave wings to Brexit and other mass movements rejecting progressive policy.

Michael Moore's Speech about Trump, you have probably seen it.
It's not about issues. It is a big fuck you to the establishment. And his destruction of the media is about all I need to know.

[jmdrake]

record is what you've done, quotes are what you've said.

You're ignoring the parts of the record that don't fit your narrative. And using your lame "logic" any politician can just say whatever is convenient to say at the moment and you the gullible voter should just believe him because that's his "record." Campaign promises based on current polling data is not a legitimate "record."


I watched the 1st 17 seconds, and I like his position now. Sounds like maybe he learned the lesson, and... ...nobody else says we'd be better off with Assad, Ghaddafi, and Sadam still in power. I'll just stop there.

And so you're okay with Trump telling a bold faced lie and saying "I was never for taking out Qaddafi" when his own YouTube channel shows he was for taking out Qaddafi? You want politicians to simply lie whenever it's convenient and tell you what you want to hear? I would have respected Trump if he had said "Sure I was for taking out Qaddafi but in retrospect I know see it was a mistake." Instead he just lies, lies and lies some more and you just slurp up the lies like they are honey.



What about my last question?

And did he ever disavow Alex Jones? Call him a crazy conspiracy theorist?

I answered that in my edit.

I don't worship Alex Jones. Prior to Trump going on his show Alex Jones said about Trump exactly what I say about him now. But AJ sold out. He saw Trump had a better shot at winning than Rand and Trump was willing to say what AJ wanted to hear and so AJ sold out. Maybe I'll forgive AJ in a year or so just like people forgave Rand for endorsing Mitt Romney. But the facts are the facts. Trump pushed for the overthrow of Qaddafi and then lied about it in the debates. There's no way I would trust a man who could lie so easily. You shouldn't either.

Trump is a smart politician. If it looked like Alex Jones was hurting him politically he would have dropped Jones in a heartbeat. AJ won a lot of friends in the Tea Party movement with his epic rant against Piers Morgon on gun control. Some AJ haters here don't want to admit it, but AJ singlehandedly turned the tied on the gun control debate and destroyed the career of Piers Morgan. And now, years later, with a republican president long forgotten and now hated, "9/11 was an inside job" has a "meh" reaction by the general public sort of like talking about there being a second shooter with JFK.

Now answer my question. Do you think it's "great" for the government to take your property under eminent domain and turn it over to a private developer? Because Donald Trump does. That's one position from his "record" that he has not disavowed.

[jmdrake]

Michael Moore's Speech about Trump, you have probably seen it.
It's not about issues. It is a big $#@! you to the establishment. And his destruction of the media is about all I need to know.

And if that's all then just say that and stick with it. That's a position I can respect. But saying somehow that Trump has some great "record" on the issues because he flip flops and tells bold faced lies about what he used to advocate (i.e. Qaddafi) is just laughable.

[CaptUSA]

I watched the 1st 17 seconds, and I like his position now. Sounds like maybe he learned the lesson, and... ...nobody else says we'd be better off with Assad, Ghaddafi, and Sadam still in power. I'll just stop there.

Sounds like maybe you need to learn your lesson. Trump is playing a con game - and he'll say or do whatever he needs to do to keep the con going. Even if it means changing positions. Which he has done even within the same day. But you marks will always find a way to reconcile his contradictory positions on everything. Because it's logical?! No. Because it's what you want to believe. It's how marks behave.

[UWDude]

And if that's all then just say that and stick with it. That's a position I can respect. But saying somehow that Trump has some great "record" on the issues because he flip flops and tells bold faced lies about what he used to advocate (i.e. Qaddafi) is just laughable.

I didn't say his record was anything I asked you what his record was.
I don't think he has a record. He's not a politician.
But I have already seen him do what looked impossible, destroy the media.
That's enough for me. I want to see what he can do for America.
Becaus ehe has already proven to me he did what I thought impossible, against one the most vile institutions in America, and he did it with ease.
His campaign has impressed me as well. It's an outside the box campaign. Nobody else has had an outside the box campaign.
Love to see some outside the box solutions for the state of the united states.
I think the United states will actually resemble it's ideals in 8 years.
And really, what have I got to lose?
Living in this country, until trump ran, SERIOUSLY, has been PAINFUL to me. I could not stand the corruption, the media, the wars. Look at my old posts if you don't believe me, they drip with a desire for this place to be NUKED to cleanse it of the zombies.
Ron Paul running made the pain WORSE when I realized a man like him could NEVER have a chance in this crooked hellhole.
For one the media was too powerful.
Then along comes Trump, and... ..poof... ..Media dead.
When I saw that, it was like, I'm in. 100%. I'm in.
I have nothing to lose.
Alright trump, you have my attention, and my support, show me what else you can do. Lets make america great again.

[UWDude]

Sounds like maybe you need to learn your lesson. Trump is playing a con game - and he'll say or do whatever he needs to do to keep the con going. Even if it means changing positions. Which he has done even within the same day. But you marks will always find a way to reconcile his contradictory positions on everything. Because it's logical?! No. Because it's what you want to believe. It's how marks behave.

I don't care. I have nothing to lose. And, he's a straight talker. I don't think he is conning anyone. I think he is truly in it to make the USA better. And I think he'll do whatever he can to do so. I could be wrong, and that would suck. Could it be worse than Hillary or any other wooden lying politician being president? I doubt it. But what if I am right... ..then this is the chance of a lifetime.

[CaptUSA]

I didn't say his record was anything I asked you what his record was.
I don't think he has a record. He's not a politician.
But I have already seen him do what looked impossible, destroy the media.
That's enough for me. I want to see what he can do for America.
Becaus ehe has already proven to me he did what I thought impossible, against one the most vile institutions in America, and he did it with ease.
His campaign has impressed me as well. It's an outside the box campaign. Nobody else has had an outside the box campaign.
Love to see some outside the box solutions for the state of the united states.
I think the United states will actually resemble it's ideals in 8 years.
And really, what have I got to lose?
Living in this country, until trump ran, SERIOUSLY, has been PAINFUL to me. I could not stand the corruption, the media, the wars. Look at my old posts if you don't believe me, they drip with a desire for this place to be NUKED to cleanse it of the zombies.
Ron Paul running made the pain WORSE when I realized a man like him could NEVER have a chance in this crooked hellhole.
For one the media was too powerful.
Then along comes Trump, and... ..poof... ..Media dead.
Im in. 100%. Im in.
I have nothing to lose.

This is a total and complete ignoring of reality. The media is dead?!!

Holy shyte, Dude, he's given them their best ratings ever!! They gave him billions in free advertising and he's returned the favor by giving them the ability to charge more for their ads!

They're the biggest special interest group in the nation and Trump is their golden goose! They don't want him to win, but they do want their payback. If they had to report their donations they'd show up as the biggest donors in history!

You are being manipulated. And you keep falling for it. The psychology of the mark is strong in you.

May I suggest a book for you to read? The-Confidence-Game (https://www.amazon.com/Confidence-Game-Psychology-Fall-Every-ebook/dp/B01127P1OE)

[Origanalist]

I'm just going to leave this here;

https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-28-2015/Ep8kb7.gif

[UWDude]

This is a total and complete ignoring of reality. The media is dead?!!

yes.


Holy shyte, Dude, he's given them their best ratings ever!! They gave him billions in free advertising and he's returned the favor by giving them the ability to charge more for their ads!

Yes, but their influence is gone. Now they are a bunch of people that made money off trump, but they cant influence the American people anymore. I dont care they made money, I do care they were influencing people.

Anyways, after the elections, they'll be gone. They'll be back to their losing ways and losing money.


They're the biggest special interest group in the nation and Trump is their golden goose! They don't want him to win, but they do what their payback. If they had to report their donations they'd show up as the biggest donors in history!

Pretty amazing huh? he made the people that hate him the most, help him the most, and destroyed their credibility in the process. That is the kind of guy I will follow into the depths of hell.


You are being manipulated. And you keep falling for it. The psychology of the mark is strong in you.

manipulated for what? What is he going to make me do? Is he going to trick me into becoming a slave, working on his new Trump Pyramid, eatign bread and water? What is he manipulating me for. I hear is he conning me, "what is he selling", he is manipulating me, "what does he want me to do?"

And honestly, I owe him. Media is screwed. and when he wins, just watching them choke on their hubris is enough for me.

What do you need of us, Mr. President? Unless its some stupid war, (which I doubt), then sign me up.

[CaptUSA]

Yes, but their influence is gone.

Um... You do realize they elevated him to the top of the GOP ticket, right? Sounds to me like their influence is pretty well intact. "oh, but they were against him while they were giving him all that attention" you say. Look where they put their money. They know exactly how a certain segment of the population will react to their "attacks". Just like they want them to.

Please - read that book I posted for you.

[ChristianAnarchist]

Supporting an assault weapons ban.

Supporting Hillary Clinton for senate.

Donating to Rahm Emmanuel to be mayor of Chicago.

Supporting illegal immigration.

Supporting late term abortion.

Basically being a progressive left wing democrat.

"Yeah I guess so" on the Iraq war.

Supporting the overthrow of Qaddafi in Libya.

Then Bill Clinton called Trump on the phone and suggested he should get involved in Republican politics and he had a Damascus road experience! Hallelujah! Bill Clinton was Donald Trump's savior!

+rep
And don't forget the things he has said about Ron and Rand...

"Populist"?? I think not...

[UWDude]

They did not elevate him. He used their hate to elevate himself. They tried to tear him down. And don't tell me, it was a secret plan, to raise him up. I know the media. I hate them. I have watched their tricks for decades, and twisted in pain as they got away with them over and over and over again. They like their politicians as trained monkeys, trained to speak slowly, trained to use their favorite buzzwords and powerwords. Always careful not to insult them. They thought they were the kingmakers. They had no control over Trump. You are trying to convince an expert in propaganda techniques of something I know is simply not true. You think you can tell me up is down and down is up.

No, press did not lift Trump up. Trump lifted himself by pushing press down. Period.


Please - read that book I posted for you.
Because you said please? It is not enough I entertain and respond to your criticisms here, now you also want me to take time to read a book, to help me see your point of view? What do I get out of it? especially since I can tell your point of view if you are telling me the media made him by hating on him? Yes, he used the media, but no, it wasn't what they wanted. Your point of view is backwards. You should unread that book.

I already know the truth. He destroyed the media. He destroyed evil. I know destruction of media when I see it. It is a dream come true. Actually, I hope they all get hanged. But I know he is more level headed than me.

[UWDude]

+rep
And don't forget the things he has said about Ron and Rand...


What is that?

[UWDude]

"Can you read a book about being conned? because you are being conned.,mark. I wont tell you into what, although you asked, but I know its a con."

Insulting.

Because you care for me, right? that's what you are doing. You are worried about me being conned. Right? You are worried about me being conned. Here, let me call you a mark, and then say "please" read a book.

Who is trying to con who?

I know genuine concern when I see it. And that ain't coming from you. Phony.

[donnay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNozZwJglHw

[Pizzo]

Yeah, that aint now


that aint now



He has donated to everybody, he has already explained that. he pays off politicians and makes deals


Oh yeah, sure. He is a big proponent of that, I am sure.



that aint now.



That's what I think, when I hear the word Trump.


Whatever, his reluctant support before, and immediate critique as soon as it started, that also took into account the deaths of civilians, (I lived then, and I know nobody even cared about dead Iraqis, it was a very lonely country) lets me know if he publicly stated to care about iraqi civilians... he cared. nobody else was saying anything like that.


Hardly. He was also the only person to offer his land to Gaddafi for his tent when Gaddafi visited. He surely would not intervene for nothing in the first place.



when trump wins... will you apologize for talking this nonsense about him being a democratic plant?




So, how many other Presidential candidates do you know that went on the Alex Jones show, 9/11 thermite guy in signature?

So basically he has no foresight and needs things to go to shit first before he changes his opinions on them?

[UWDude]

So basically he has no foresight and needs things to go to $#@! first before he changes his opinions on them?

He has proven he has foresight. He is running a great campaign, and he isn't even finished. You think he has no plan? He has an extensive plan.

Were you always against the Iraq War, or the war in Afghanistan? What about the first Gulf War?

[Cleaner44]

Lol... It's so great to quote your delusions all together. Yeah, he's really changed... :rolleyes: Like, when he started running for President. That's how you know it's real!!

People do change their views and stances you know. I myself was previously a Bill Clinton voter... twice in fact. That was when I was more ignorant. Before him, in 1988 I voted for George Bush. Now I hate neocons and progressive liberals and Marxists. Its not that I hate them, but I now see how stupid their policies, ideas and positions are. Now I am a libertarian. Now I believe in freedom, for everything, not just my pet issues. I no longer hold the views that I did in 1996.

[Pizzo]

Iraq I wasn't fervently for or against because I wan;t political until I hear Ron in the first debate of '08 talking about the Fed and said "he is the only one there who knows what he's talking about", Afghanistan I wasn't against because I worked 3 blocks from there, lost 4 friends in the attack (My opinion was based on the official story, and I never really did too much research into what may have really happened) so my opinion was largely based on emotion. first gulf war, at that time I was more concerned with regular high school things and didn't pay attention to the war at all aside from hoping my family members that were in the service returned home safely. Having said all of that, I am not running for president. I don't walk around acting like I am never wrong. Trump, even though I do hold out the tiniest bit of hope he would be less of an unmitigated disaster that Hillary, is running for president but as I said before has not shown foresight. All you said to that other poster was "not anymore, not anymore" etc. Who gives a shit? It's easy to be a loudmouth and boast your opinions when you have the benefit of hindsight. A large part of my attraction to this forum's namesake is he had the guts to loudly boast unpopular opinions before history proved him right.

[UWDude]

Iraq I wasn't fervently for or against because I wan;t political until I hear Ron in the first debate of '08 talking about the Fed and said "he is the only one there who knows what he's talking about", Afghanistan I wasn't against because I worked 3 blocks from there, lost 4 friends in the attack (My opinion was based on the official story, and I never really did too much research into what may have really happened) so my opinion was largely based on emotion. first gulf war, at that time I was more concerned with regular high school things and didn't pay attention to the war at all aside from hoping my family members that were in the service returned home safely. Having said all of that, I am not running for president. I don't walk around acting like I am never wrong. Trump, even though I do hold out the tiniest bit of hope he would be less of an unmitigated disaster that Hillary, is running for president but as I said before has not shown foresight. All you said to that other poster was "not anymore, not anymore" etc. Who gives a $#@!? It's easy to be a loudmouth and boast your opinions when you have the benefit of hindsight. A large part of my attraction to this forum's namesake is he had the guts to loudly boast unpopular opinions before history proved him right.

what do you mean, has not shown foresight?

[ARealConservative]

I really have trouble wrapping my mind around how a self-proclaimed billionaire "King of Debt" can be seen as anti-establishment.

I had been struggling with that as well.

this humorous article shed some light on the phenomenon for me.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

[asurfaholic]

People do change their views and stances you know. I myself was previously a Bill Clinton voter... twice in fact. That was when I was more ignorant. Before him, in 1988 I voted for George Bush. Now I hate neocons and progressive liberals and Marxists. Its not that I hate them, but I now see how stupid their policies, ideas and positions are. Now I am a libertarian. Now I believe in freedom, for everything, not just my pet issues. I no longer hold the views that I did in 1996.

I think the free pass goes to you and people like you for changing positions because you were never really in the position to use your stance to effect real change. People do grow intellectually and change, if they have the desire to.

I'm more concerned with trumps changing of position because for one- he was in the position to know exactly how to use his power to influence change, and two- he has widespread complete 180 turns from positions he held very recently. The change doesn't seem genuine and evidence suggests that he is changing positions to put himself in a better place to be more influential. Seems back asswards to me and smells to me like someone who is not really sincere about his positions.

[Todd]

I think the free pass goes to you and people like you for changing positions because you were never really in the position to use your stance to effect real change. People do grow intellectually and change, if they have the desire to.

I'm more concerned with trumps changing of position because for one- he was in the position to know exactly how to use his power to influence change, and two- he has widespread complete 180 turns from positions he held very recently. The change doesn't seem genuine and evidence suggests that he is changing positions to put himself in a better place sition to be more influential. Seems back asswards to me and smells to me like someone who is not really sincere about his positions.

Nailed it.

[anaconda]

Fine speech with fine delivery.

[UWDude]

And don't forget the things he has said about Ron and Rand...


Anybody want to help me out here? I forgot.

No out of context quotes please. Maybe some video or something.
I found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cggBgluiaw

And I have noted before, Trump never insults first. In this case, the Ron Paul started interrupting his speech... you can watch the rest. They offered Ron Paul, and he answered,

remember, the Khan family attacked him first. Media acts like Trump just decided to pick on some random military family one day. He doesn't just bust out insults. And then once the feud ends, he calls the person a great friend, best friend I ever had, no really, we are close, kind of stuff.

[Cleaner44]

I think the free pass goes to you and people like you for changing positions because you were never really in the position to use your stance to effect real change. People do grow intellectually and change, if they have the desire to.

I'm more concerned with trumps changing of position because for one- he was in the position to know exactly how to use his power to influence change, and two- he has widespread complete 180 turns from positions he held very recently. The change doesn't seem genuine and evidence suggests that he is changing positions to put himself in a better place to be more influential. Seems back asswards to me and smells to me like someone who is not really sincere about his positions.

I don't know how genuine Trump is in his position changes and all any of us can do is speculate.

I do know that Walter Jones is in an influential position and he has genuinely changed his positions after listening to Ron Paul.

I do feel confident that Trump is more pro-2nd Amendment than he was 15 years ago, but I might be wrong. I do feel confident that Trump will nominate better Supreme Court Justices than Hillary Clinton would and I am not wrong about that.

I do know that Trump isn't a libertarian or even a good conservative in the mold of Barry Goldwater. I also know that he will be a better ally to conservatives than Hillary Clinton would be.

[el_zilch0]

I don't know how genuine Trump is in his position changes and all any of us can do is speculate.

I do know that Walter Jones is in an influential position and he has genuinely changed his positions after listening to Ron Paul.

I do feel confident that Trump is more pro-2nd Amendment than he was 15 years ago, but I might be wrong. I do feel confident that Trump will nominate better Supreme Court Justices than Hillary Clinton would and I am not wrong about that.

I do know that Trump isn't a libertarian or even a good conservative in the mold of Barry Goldwater. I also know that he will be a better ally to conservatives than Hillary Clinton would be.

Let's not forget that if Clinton gets in, the chances of electing a conservative/libertarian in a national election will be gone forever. We are already on the demographic precipice, and amnestying at least 20-30 million illegals will guarantee liberal governance in perpetuity (unless there is a revolution).

[UWDude]

Let's not forget that if Clinton gets in, the chances of electing a conservative/libertarian in a national election will be gone forever. We are already on the demographic precipice, and amnestying at least 20-30 million illegals will guarantee liberal governance in perpetuity (unless there is a revolution).

Cool. See you next year.

[el_zilch0]

Cool. See you next year.

Do you honestly believe that anybody on the liberty spectrum will have a chance in 2020 or beyond if Hillary gets in and enacts amnesty? Reagan already turned California permanently blue with his amnesty. Trump wasn't my first choice this election, but I choose to be pragmatic about it.

[UWDude]

Do you honestly believe that anybody on the liberty spectrum will have a chance in 2020 or beyond if Hillary gets in and enacts amnesty? Reagan already turned California permanently blue with his amnesty. Trump wasn't my first choice this election, but I choose to be pragmatic about it.

Whoa dude, slow down, you posted 2 posts in one hour. That's about 34,000 times faster than you've been posting here before. You might hurt your wrists.

[JK/SEA]

my guess...UW Dude is a sock puppet for JFKII....

[Cleaner44]

Let's not forget that if Clinton gets in, the chances of electing a conservative/libertarian in a national election will be gone forever. We are already on the demographic precipice, and amnestying at least 20-30 million illegals will guarantee liberal governance in perpetuity (unless there is a revolution).

I agree. Clinton and the Democrats will be looking to import as many foreigners as possible to boost their voting base. Call me old fashioned but I think that only American citizens should be voting in American elections.

The good news is that once Trump wins, I will make a few bucks on my bets and we will also have a chance to clean out our federal government. It might only be a 5% chance, but that is by far more than any I have seen in my lifetime.

[staerker]

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[ChristianAnarchist]

Anybody want to help me out here? I forgot.

No out of context quotes please. Maybe some video or something.
I found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cggBgluiaw

And I have noted before, Trump never insults first. In this case, the Ron Paul started interrupting his speech... you can watch the rest. They offered Ron Paul, and he answered,

remember, the Khan family attacked him first. Media acts like Trump just decided to pick on some random military family one day. He doesn't just bust out insults. And then once the feud ends, he calls the person a great friend, best friend I ever had, no really, we are close, kind of stuff.

Yes, that clip is a good one that shows his distaste for Ron Paul but here's another where he states it's "madness" that Ron should be polling as high as he was back then. Note that even in this clip from 2008 he was using the "make America great again" meme and talking about running in 2012... This was planned out many years back folks!

Perhaps the only reason he's "adopted" a few or Ron's positions is simply to fool enough Ron Paul supporters that he get's an additional 2% of the vote.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWv8z4cNRE0