Do you believe US media polls are manipulated?

[enhanced_deficit]

Do you believe US media polls are manipulated?

[TheTexan]

Yes. If the polls weren't rigged, Trump would be polling 60-70%.

The liberal media is trying to keep him down.

[enhanced_deficit]

The liberal media is trying to keep him down.

That might be changing after next debate outings:

NYT/CNBC's John Harwood Advises Clinton Campaign, Gloats
Daily Caller-Oct 11, 2016
The latest batch of emails from the account of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta show New York Times reporter and CNBC anchor ...

http://truthfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/xjohn-harwood-800x416.png.pagespeed.ic.lbzOYIMRRF.jpg
http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/10/Screen-Shot-2016-10-10-at-4.36.52-PM.png

[r3volution 3.0]

Are the people who vote in the polls manipulated by the media?

Obviously

Are the polls themselves manipulated, in the sense that numbers are fudged to get the desired result?

Generally speaking, no, as evidenced by the fact that most polls are pretty accurate most of the time, compared to actual election results

...and, before someone responds that the election results themselves are fudged, no, there's no evidence of any significant voter fraud.

We keep getting shit candidates not because democracy is being subverted, but because democracy naturally produces shit candidates.

[nikcers]

What does it mean if the polls are rigged and the vote counts are rigged and the RNC helped Trump go uncontested in the convention? If they can rig all of this why didn't they rig a establishment candidate in the republican primaries? Oh yeah they did.

[69360]

Yes and no. Sure there are push polls with loaded questions to get the intended result. But the sad fact is that this works. Boobus wants to pick a winner, so they fall for it and the polls end up being fairly accurate. So I don't believe the numbers reported are false, but the pollsters can be crooked.

[Jbunker]

If I've learned anything from supporting Ron/Rand Paul it's that as much as you want to believe the poll numbers are manipulated, they're almost always right unfortunately. Are PEOPLE being manipulated by the media? Yes, but not the actual polls

[Jamesiv1]

...and, before someone responds that the election results themselves are fudged, no, there's no evidence of any significant voter fraud.

Seriously..? LBJ? Dead people voting? Hanging chads in Florida?

For as long as there has been elections, there has been election fraud.

[Todd]

Yes and no. Sure there are push polls with loaded questions to get the intended result. But the sad fact is that this works. Boobus wants to pick a winner, so they fall for it and the polls end up being fairly accurate. So I don't believe the numbers reported are false, but the pollsters can be crooked.

This.. All goes back to the system of propaganda in place trying to drive results.

[r3volution 3.0]

Seriously..? LBJ? Dead people voting? Hanging chads in Florida?

For as long as there has been elections, there has been election fraud.

In very close races, election fraud might sometimes affect the outcome, sure.

What I'm saying is that it's not as if millions of votes are thrown away/invented.

e.g. if Trump loses by 10 million votes, maybe he only really lost by 9.950 million, but he certainly didn't win.

[katsung47]

Do you believe US media polls are manipulated?

Of course, if you still remember Ron Paul's election.

[69360]

Seriously..? LBJ? Dead people voting? Hanging chads in Florida?

For as long as there has been elections, there has been election fraud.

Of course there is. I believe voter fraud occurs in the US. It's isolated though. We do not have a widespread systemic problem with fraud.

[enhanced_deficit]

Ony 18 days to go, we'll find out soon truth about rigging accusations.

[pcosmar]

Do you believe US media polls are manipulated?

I thought that was a known. not a question.

It was seen, observed, and it was described in detail by one who does such..
and F U Frank.

[hells_unicorn]

Manipulation of public opinion has been in existence for as long as public opinion has been in existence, this is not something that is up for debate. Now, how and where this manipulation occurs and whether it is always successful is up for debate.

[Cleaner44]

In very close races, election fraud might sometimes affect the outcome, sure.

What I'm saying is that it's not as if millions of votes are thrown away/invented.

e.g. if Trump loses by 10 million votes, maybe he only really lost by 9.950 million, but he certainly didn't win.

Fmr. DOJ Election Attorney Says 4 Million Dead People Voting – DOJ Doesn’t Care
http://www.westernjournalism.com/fmr-doj-election-attorney-says-4-million-dead-people-voting-doj-doesnt-care/

Elections Expert: “We Now Have 4 Million Ineligible and Dead Voters on American Voter Rolls”
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/elections-expert-now-4-million-ineligible-dead-voters-american-voter-rolls-video/

[ProBlue33]

Of coarse :(

CIRCA 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTUtAfzIbPU

[Tywysog Cymru]

I talked to nine people bout the election last week. Two of them said they were voting for Hillary, one said he was voting for Johnson, two said they didn't know, and four of them said they were voting for Trump!

I just can't see Hillary winning this! This is my unbiased election prediction:

http://uselectionatlas.org/TOOLS/genusmap.php?year=1976&ev_c=0&pv_p=0&ev_p=0&AL=1;9;5&AK=1;3;5&AZ=1;6;5&AR=1;6;6&CA=2;45;4&CO=1;7;5&CT=2;8;5&DE=2;3;5&DC=2;3;8&FL=1;17;5&GA=1;12;6&HI=2;4;5&ID=1;4;5&IL=1;26;5&IN=1;13;5&IA=1;8;4&KS=1;7;5&KY=1;9;5&LA=1;10;5&MD=2;10;5&MA=2;14;5&MI=1;21;5&MN=1;10;5&MS=1;7;4&MO=1;12;5&MT=1;4;5&NE=1;5;5&NV=1;3;5&NH=1;4;5&NJ=1;17;5&NM=1;4;5&NY=1;41;5&NC=1;13;5&ND=1;3;5&OH=1;25;4&OK=1;8;4&OR=2;6;4&PA=1;27;5&RI=2;4;5&SC=1;8;5&SD=1;4;5&TN=1;10;5&TX=1;26;5&UT=1;4;6&VT=1;3;5&VA=1;12;4&WA=2;9;4&WV=1;6;5&WI=1;11;4&WY=1;3;5&ME=1;2;4&ME1=1;1;4&ME2=1;1;4

[TheTexan]

I talked to nine people bout the election last week. Two of them said they were voting for Hillary, one said he was voting for Johnson, two said they didn't know, and four of them said they were voting for Trump!

I just can't see Hillary winning this! This is my unbiased election prediction:

http://uselectionatlas.org/TOOLS/genusmap.php?year=1976&ev_c=0&pv_p=0&ev_p=0&AL=1;9;5&AK=1;3;5&AZ=1;6;5&AR=1;6;6&CA=2;45;4&CO=1;7;5&CT=2;8;5&DE=2;3;5&DC=2;3;8&FL=1;17;5&GA=1;12;6&HI=2;4;5&ID=1;4;5&IL=1;26;5&IN=1;13;5&IA=1;8;4&KS=1;7;5&KY=1;9;5&LA=1;10;5&MD=2;10;5&MA=2;14;5&MI=1;21;5&MN=1;10;5&MS=1;7;4&MO=1;12;5&MT=1;4;5&NE=1;5;5&NV=1;3;5&NH=1;4;5&NJ=1;17;5&NM=1;4;5&NY=1;41;5&NC=1;13;5&ND=1;3;5&OH=1;25;4&OK=1;8;4&OR=2;6;4&PA=1;27;5&RI=2;4;5&SC=1;8;5&SD=1;4;5&TN=1;10;5&TX=1;26;5&UT=1;4;6&VT=1;3;5&VA=1;12;4&WA=2;9;4&WV=1;6;5&WI=1;11;4&WY=1;3;5&ME=1;2;4&ME1=1;1;4&ME2=1;1;4

Abput right. But theres no way that Hillary wins the square off the coast of NJ.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Abput right. But theres no way that Hillary wins the square off the coast of NJ.

Actually, the square is an imaginary state created by the Clinton campaign to boost her numbers in the electoral college. If you notice, it has no representation in Congress.

[DamianTV]

Fuck You, Frank! - Penn and Teller

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4

[enhanced_deficit]

If this is confirmed by MSM, war crimes lobbies could be in big big trouble:

https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/wikileaks-polling.jpg

[timosman]

Of course there is. I believe voter fraud occurs in the US. It's isolated though. We do not have a widespread systemic problem with fraud.

Wow. What a bold statement.

[Philhelm]

I talked to nine people bout the election last week. Two of them said they were voting for Hillary, one said he was voting for Johnson, two said they didn't know, and four of them said they were voting for Trump!

I just can't see Hillary winning this! This is my unbiased election prediction:

http://uselectionatlas.org/TOOLS/genusmap.php?year=1976&ev_c=0&pv_p=0&ev_p=0&AL=1;9;5&AK=1;3;5&AZ=1;6;5&AR=1;6;6&CA=2;45;4&CO=1;7;5&CT=2;8;5&DE=2;3;5&DC=2;3;8&FL=1;17;5&GA=1;12;6&HI=2;4;5&ID=1;4;5&IL=1;26;5&IN=1;13;5&IA=1;8;4&KS=1;7;5&KY=1;9;5&LA=1;10;5&MD=2;10;5&MA=2;14;5&MI=1;21;5&MN=1;10;5&MS=1;7;4&MO=1;12;5&MT=1;4;5&NE=1;5;5&NV=1;3;5&NH=1;4;5&NJ=1;17;5&NM=1;4;5&NY=1;41;5&NC=1;13;5&ND=1;3;5&OH=1;25;4&OK=1;8;4&OR=2;6;4&PA=1;27;5&RI=2;4;5&SC=1;8;5&SD=1;4;5&TN=1;10;5&TX=1;26;5&UT=1;4;6&VT=1;3;5&VA=1;12;4&WA=2;9;4&WV=1;6;5&WI=1;11;4&WY=1;3;5&ME=1;2;4&ME1=1;1;4&ME2=1;1;4

No way.

[enhanced_deficit]

Much of MSM Media is outright crooked and tilted (and myabe bought too) this election season.

[katsung47]

912. In U.S. terror power overrules the money (7/11/2016)


U.S. is a money dominated country. The principle is broken in this campaign. It was found by a Trump supporter.



Is Money no longer king of the Presidential election? Look at this, Hillary has spent 60 million dollars in ad buys so far against Trump. Trump has spent ZERO!! Yet latest polls show a statistical TIE between them! This is the same thing that happened to Jeb Bush, against Trump! Money versus message. Looks like message is winning! What is your take?
GO TRUMP!!


http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=351411#ixzz4DGLlReIS



What message has Trump brought to us? Nothing constructive but a lot of abuse.


This "Money is king" rule will be broken in this president election. Because the Feds want to have their own candidate- Donald Trump to get that seat. So whatever happens - short of campaign money, it doesn't matter. You see what happens -Clinton has to buy ads with money, Trump gets it free. Because the media is controlled by the Feds.


This country is ruled by the Feds. They rule the country by controlled intelligence and media. They select politicians through rigged election and justify the election result through the fake poll done by media.

[John F Kennedy III]

I talked to nine people bout the election last week. Two of them said they were voting for Hillary, one said he was voting for Johnson, two said they didn't know, and four of them said they were voting for Trump!

I just can't see Hillary winning this! This is my unbiased election prediction:

http://uselectionatlas.org/TOOLS/genusmap.php?year=1976&ev_c=0&pv_p=0&ev_p=0&AL=1;9;5&AK=1;3;5&AZ=1;6;5&AR=1;6;6&CA=2;45;4&CO=1;7;5&CT=2;8;5&DE=2;3;5&DC=2;3;8&FL=1;17;5&GA=1;12;6&HI=2;4;5&ID=1;4;5&IL=1;26;5&IN=1;13;5&IA=1;8;4&KS=1;7;5&KY=1;9;5&LA=1;10;5&MD=2;10;5&MA=2;14;5&MI=1;21;5&MN=1;10;5&MS=1;7;4&MO=1;12;5&MT=1;4;5&NE=1;5;5&NV=1;3;5&NH=1;4;5&NJ=1;17;5&NM=1;4;5&NY=1;41;5&NC=1;13;5&ND=1;3;5&OH=1;25;4&OK=1;8;4&OR=2;6;4&PA=1;27;5&RI=2;4;5&SC=1;8;5&SD=1;4;5&TN=1;10;5&TX=1;26;5&UT=1;4;6&VT=1;3;5&VA=1;12;4&WA=2;9;4&WV=1;6;5&WI=1;11;4&WY=1;3;5&ME=1;2;4&ME1=1;1;4&ME2=1;1;4

Not far off.

[enhanced_deficit]

...


U.S. is a money dominated country. The principle is broken in this campaign. It was found by a Trump supporter.


What message has Trump brought to us? Nothing constructive but a lot of abuse.

...

That seems like mix of a valid point and a fallacious point.

He did win without spending a lot of money.
But his message was also a mix of things and did include constructive view of things.. at times by being destructive towards media-foreign interventions/wars lobbies cabal.

Have a question for you. On whose side was Obama ths election season? On Fed's side?

[AZJoe]

Polls were "off" an average of 7.4 points in states Trump won, and 3.7 points in states Clinton won. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/stunningly-inaccurate-polls-off-7-4-points-states-trump-won-video/

Were they all just horrendously wrong, or did they just lie via rigging? http://www.snouts-in-the-trough.com/archives/17395

[AZJoe]

The Media Polls did not get it wrong. THEY LIED: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/11/09/an-important-post-election-message-about-media-polling/
Gaslighting the electorate


“The pollsters did not work from the wrong data set; the media pollsters, consultants and professional political class did not work from the wrong assumptions, or use the incorrect baselines….. THEY LIED.

The professional media polling agents knew exactly what the truth was. They lied and manipulated their data in a concerted effort to intentionally falsify reality. … The media intentionally lied.

They knew the truth. The same tools available to us … They did not get it wrong. They chose to lie to you the American electorate. … complicit in their intent to deceive the American electorate in an ideological scheme to manipulate the psyche of the American voter. …

They did not make mistakes; they did not operate from the wrong assumptions. … Allowing them to say they made a mistake is only dooming ourselves to the continued cycle of battered electorate syndrome. These entities are our abusers. They have been gaslighting the American electorate for years …”

[katsung47]

The Media Polls did not get it wrong. THEY LIED: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/11/09/an-important-post-election-message-about-media-polling/
Gaslighting the electorate

“The pollsters did not work from the wrong data set; the media pollsters, consultants and professional political class did not work from the wrong assumptions, or use the incorrect baselines….. THEY LIED.

The professional media polling agents knew exactly what the truth was. They lied and manipulated their data in a concerted effort to intentionally falsify reality. … The media intentionally lied.

They knew the truth. The same tools available to us … They did not get it wrong. They chose to lie to you the American electorate. … complicit in their intent to deceive the American electorate in an ideological scheme to manipulate the psyche of the American voter. …

They did not make mistakes; they did not operate from the wrong assumptions. … Allowing them to say they made a mistake is only dooming ourselves to the continued cycle of battered electorate syndrome. These entities are our abusers. They have been gaslighting the American electorate for years …”


The poll seems right this time. It proves by the massive protests from public. Have you ever thought of it's a rigged election? It happened so much in last time of Ron Paul's campaign. The election doesn't depend on voters. It depends on the people who counter the ballot.

[John F Kennedy III]

After this election nobody can ever logically trust a MSM poll again. Or any other poll source that had Clinton winning.

[AZJoe]

The poll seems right this time.

Polls were "off" an average of 7.4 points in states Trump won, and 3.7 points in states Clinton won. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...ump-won-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/stunningly-inaccurate-polls-off-7-4-points-states-trump-won-video/)

[katsung47]

Polls were "off" an average of 7.4 points in states Trump won, and 3.7 points in states Clinton won. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...ump-won-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/stunningly-inaccurate-polls-off-7-4-points-states-trump-won-video/)

Have you ever considered the election was rigged?

[dannno]

Have you ever considered the election was rigged?

Of course it was rigged.. it was rigged for Clinton, but Trump won in a landslide and was able to overcome the vote fraud.

[katsung47]

Of course it was rigged.. it was rigged for Clinton, but Trump won in a landslide and was able to overcome the vote fraud.

Better read this one.


Two weeks after Election Day -- as Donald Trumpassembles his Cabinet -- votes in many states are still being counted. And the tally shows that Hillary Clinton's lead in the popular vote, with Michigan's 16 electoral votes still up for grab, continues to grow..
And so the question: How confident can Americans be in the results announced in the wee hours of Nov. 9, given the problems that continue to beset our election system?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/21/election-results-electoral-popular-votes-trump-clinton/94214826/

[AngryCanadian]

Better read this one.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/21/election-results-electoral-popular-votes-trump-clinton/94214826/

If Hillary had won those leftists fake news sites wont be complaining about such topics. They will be focused more on bombing Syria with Hillary.

[katsung47]

I don't believe the election in US is fair. It is controlled by a evil power. It selects politicians by rigged election. (even Trump believe so.) It justify the result through fake poll because they also control the media.

The following chart tell you the truth.

Media and groups controlled by the Feds support Trump (8/26/2016)




Here is another news to prove Clinton has to buy TV ad while Trump doesn't need to. He enjoys a free service from media. You also can notice that in each web site there is a plenty of topic to push for the popularity of Trump. Because that's the cyber space team the Feds deploy there. Supporting Trump now becomes a mission for them.




AUG 2 2016, 3:31 PM ET
Clinton, Allies Have Reserved $98 Million in Ads
by CARRIE DANN




Hillary Clinton and her allies are poised for a TV ad blitz of nearly $100 millin dollars, compared to less than $1 million currently reserved on the airwaves by backers of Donald Trump.

Hillary runs a normal campaign while Trump needs not. He enjoys a free propaganda from media because his master - the FBI control the media.



http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2016_31/1649751/2016_tv_ad_spending_set_to_air_team_clinton_team_t rump_chartbuilder_66816b98d112174b70a1d519b680ab04 .nbcnews-ux-600-480.png
http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2016_31/1649751/2016_tv_ad_spending_set_to_air_team_clinton_team_t rump_chartbuilder_66816b98d112174b70a1d519b680ab04 .nbcnews-ux-600-480.png


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/team-clinton-poised-98-million-ad-blitz-n621741

[katsung47]

924. The Feds(FBI and DEA) controlled media manipulate this election campaign (9/29/2016)


In #912 and #920, I talked of how the Feds(FBI and DEA) control the media to help their candidate Trump. The academic study found this too.



Harvard Study Confirms The Media Tore Down Clinton, Built Up Trump And Sanders


by Carter Maness June 16, 2016


It’s no secret that, from the moment she announced her candidacy back in April 2015, Hillary Clinton has been bludgeoned by negative media coverage. The email server; the Wall Street speaking fees; the attacks from both Trump and Sanders. I’ve debated with people who legitimately fear she will be imprisoned before the election.
Some, despite the venomous dismissal of my rolling eyes, have called her a murderer. Others: an old woman, a plutocrat, a crook, abused by her husband, no backbone to speak of. But if you’ve suspected that there’s a reason people are saying these things—perhaps parroting disproportionately negative stories they’ve consumed in the media over the past year-and-a-half—it turns out you’re right.


A new report released this week by Harvard Kennedy School’s Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics, and Public Policy found Clinton has received far more negative coverage than any other candidate in the race thus far. The study was based on an analysis of news statements from CBS, Fox, the Los Angeles Times, NBC, the New York Times, USA Today, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post.


https://www.good.is/articles/hillary-clinton-negative-press


The same phenomenon appears in public media too. The internet sites are full of negative posts and pictures of Hillary Clinton. It is accordant to my conclusion that the Feds(FBI and DEA) activated a propaganda movement in internet with their resource - S.S.G.. We should know, the Feds have developed informants everywhere in society. They turn US into a covert totalitarian country.

[enhanced_deficit]

There is news out that Trump peoples have banned NYT, CNN neocons from some press briefings.

[katsung47]

Of course it was rigged.. it was rigged for Clinton, but Trump won in a landslide and was able to overcome the vote fraud.

Aren't you ashamed to say so when Trump now is a so unpopular president? (If he won in a landslide?)

An unpopular president suddenly got 82% approval rating just after a speech in Congress ("A CBS News/YouGov poll (https://www.scribd.com/document/340594301/CBS-poll-on-Donald-Trump-s-joint-address) found 82% of respondents said Trump came across as very ‘presidential.’") The American people are too flip-flop.

I view it as that the manipulator of this country made an emergent operation to save their puppet Trump from a low ebb.

How easy they could made it "won in landslide" and "82%".

[dannno]

Aren't you ashamed to say so when Trump now is a so unpopular president? (If he won in a landslide?)

An unpopular president suddenly got 82% approval rating just after a speech in Congress ("A CBS News/YouGov poll (https://www.scribd.com/document/340594301/CBS-poll-on-Donald-Trump-s-joint-address) found 82% of respondents said Trump came across as very ‘presidential.’") The American people are too flip-flop.

I view it as that the manipulator of this country made an emergent operation to save their puppet Trump from a low ebb.

How easy they could made it "won in landslide" and "82%".

Is this a joke? Why the fuck do I care what some bullshit poll you post has to say about Trump? Don't you get it?

I didn't care what the bullshit polls said before the election, and it served me quite well because I knew Trump was going to win. Why would I start listening to them now?