State Department: Yup, There Are Terrorist Refugees

[timosman]

http://www.dailywire.com/news/9328/state-department-yup-there-are-terrorist-refugees-michael-qazvini


BY: MICHAEL QAZVINI SEPTEMBER 21, 2016

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On Wednesday, State Department spokesman John Kirby finally acknowledged a well-known truth: ISIS is attempting to infiltrate the United States via the Obama administration’s refugee resettlement program.

"I wouldn't debate the fact that there's the potential for ISIS terrorists to try to insert themselves, and we see that in some of the refugee camps in Jordan and in Turkey, where they try to insert themselves into the population," Kirby told the hosts of "Fox and Friends.”

Many of the refugees the US plans on accepting are supposedly “vetted” at these very refugee camps in Jordan and Turkey.

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In a moment of unexpected candor, Kirby even went on to confess that the federal government’s vetting process isn’t “foolproof."

"Is it perfect? Can it be perfect? Can it be foolproof? Well, probably not, no,” he admitted.

While the State Department spokesman qualified his revealing remarks by insisting that the process is “very, very stringent,” a new report by the Homeland Security Department’s Inspector General calls into question the fed’s ability to accurately identify immigrants gaining entrance into the United States with forged documents or fake passports.

As The Daily Wire recently reported, 858 immigrants from countries “of concern to national security” were mistakenly granted citizenship in the last few months, bypassing the scrutiny of immigration and customs agencies with forged documents.

The Inspector General’s report exposed the fact that the FBI’s fingerprint database was woefully incomplete, allowing immigrants to enter the United States without being properly identified.

[AZJoe]

https://grrrgraphics.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/obama_hillary_muslims_ben_garrison.jpg?w=640&h=477

[TheCount]

That would be the one of the reasons that there's a screening process.

[Lucille]

That would be the one of the reasons that there's a screening process.

LOL And what a bang-up (http://67.media.tumblr.com/113789d8f21579181e79a580ff34e538/tumblr_mngpg8nxPG1qiaxzfo3_250.gif) job they're doing! From the article (which you obviously did not bother to read):


858 immigrants from countries “of concern to national security” were mistakenly granted citizenship in the last few months, bypassing the scrutiny of immigration and customs agencies with forged documents.

The Inspector General’s report exposed the fact that the FBI’s fingerprint database was woefully incomplete, allowing immigrants to enter the United States without being properly identified.

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[pcosmar]

aren't all refugees "terrorist refugees"?

If they weren't terrorized they wouldn't flee.

[alucard13mm]

25-29% of French Muslims believe Sharia law should supercede french, secular law. So 1/3 of muslim refugees are/going to be terrorists or terrorist sympathizers.

[phill4paul]

25-29% of French Muslims believe Sharia law should supercede french, secular law. So 1/3 of muslim refugees are/going to be terrorists or terrorist sympathizers.

100% of refugees eat falafel. So none of them will eat pizza, hotdogs or apple pie.

[oyarde]

People who do not eat hot dogs could be untrustworthy , secretly they are probably working to tax your meat .

[phill4paul]

People who do not eat hot dogs could be untrustworthy , secretly they are probably working to tax your meat .

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[oyarde]

https://www.gianteagle.com/ProductImages/PRODUCT_NODE_657/74956201415.jpg

Those are pretty good .

[TheCount]

LOL And what a bang-up (http://67.media.tumblr.com/113789d8f21579181e79a580ff34e538/tumblr_mngpg8nxPG1qiaxzfo3_250.gif) job they're doing! From the article (which you obviously did not bother to read):

Those aren't refugees.

The author put two entirely different issues together in the same article in the hopes that readers like you would conflate the two into a single topic. And it worked!

[Ender]

Those aren't refugees.

The author put two entirely different issues together in the same article in the hopes that readers like you would conflate the two into a single topic. And it worked!

That was my take, as well.

[TheCount]

That was my take, as well.

This is one of the errors in the Trumpian narrative imho. The refugee system is actually extremely strict, and has a very good record as to who it lets in. Vastly better than any other method of immigration. But... because brown Syrians ooga booga, let me scare you with these refugees over here.

[Zippyjuan]

The vetting process takes about two years or more on average. No process can be 100% fool proof. We have considerably more citizens killing people than Muslim immigrants killing people.

[timosman]

The vetting process takes about two years or more on average. No process can be 100% fool proof. We have considerably more citizens killing people than Muslim immigrants killing people.

Just go away.

[Zippyjuan]

Why?

Heritage gives a summary: http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2015/12/how-the-refugee-vetting-process-works


So what does the refugee vetting process look like?

First, most applicants apply for refuge through the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, or UNHCR. The office then forwards some applications to the U.S. State Department, which prepares these applications for adjudication by Department of Homeland Security's U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

Once an applicant is referred to the State Department, biometric and biographic checks are done against various U.S. security databases at multiple points throughout the process.

Multiple agencies systems and databases are incorporated in this process, including:

The State Department

_Consular Lookout and Support System

_Consular Consolidated Database

Department of Homeland Security

_TECS (a DHS security system)

_DHS Automated Biometric Identification System

National Counterterrorism Center/FBI's Terrorist Screening Center

_Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment

_Terrorist Screening Database

Federal Bureau of Investigation

_Extracts of the National Crime Information Center's Wanted Persons File, Immigration Violator File, Foreign Fugitive File, Violent Gang and Terrorist Organization File (and the Interstate Identification Index)

_Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System / Next Generation Identification

Interpol

Drug Enforcement Administration

Department of Defense

_Automated Biometric Identification System

In addition, the refugee process requires a security advisory opinion to be completed by the FBI and the intelligence community on many refugee applicants who are considered higher risk. Similarly, interagency checks are constantly being done in connection with a wide range of U.S. agencies.

In additional to these background checks, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services conducts a refugee interview. These interviews cover everything from refugee and immigration matters to security and country specific questions.

For example, Syrian refugee officers must undergo a one week training course on Syria-specific issues, including classified information. Additional scrutiny is already being applied to Syrians through the enhanced review for Syrian applicants process that puts additional security and intelligence resources at the disposal of adjudicators.

Only at this point can an application be approved. For those that are approved, health screenings and orientations begin. The State Department and Office of Refugee Resettlement within the Department of Health and Human Services work with voluntary resettlement agencies to arrange for resettlement services and assistance.

After an average of 12-18 months, this process ends with entry into the U.S. According to the Department of Homeland Security, of the approximately 23,000 Syrian referrals made by the U.N. High Commissioner on Refugees to the U.S., only about 2,000 have been accepted. The U.S. refugee system can be, should be, and is being picky at who we allow to enter the U.S. as a refugee.

The U.S. has made constant improvements to the program, learning from mistakes such as when in 2009, two Iraqi terrorists were caught in the U.S. after slipping through the vetting process. It is worth noting that these are the only two individuals who slipped through the screening process

Is it enough? Is our government doing adequate due diligence? These are the key questions.

That's why the best recommendation for Congress right now is to demand detailed information from the administration on how risks are being mitigated. The administration should remain selective in the refugees it accepts, focusing on those applicants about whom the U.S. has an acceptable amount of intelligence.

[phill4paul]

The vetting process takes about two years or more on average. No process can be 100% fool proof. We have considerably more citizens killing people than Muslim immigrants killing people.


Just go away.

There's nothing Zippy wrote that is incorrect.

[timosman]

There's nothing Zippy wrote that is incorrect.

More than 800 immigrants mistakenly granted citizenship
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?501312-More-than-800-immigrants-mistakenly-granted-citizenship

[Zippyjuan]

Not disproving anything I posted. I also repeated that they said no system is perfect. From that press conference:


But Hakim added, "The fact that fingerprint records in these cases may have been incomplete at the time of the naturalization interview does not necessarily mean that the applicant was in fact granted naturalization, or that the applicant obtained naturalization fraudulently."But Hakim added, "The fact that fingerprint records in these cases may have been incomplete at the time of the naturalization interview does not necessarily mean that the applicant was in fact granted naturalization, or that the applicant obtained naturalization fraudulently."

There is also no claim that any of the 800 are believed to be terrorists.

[phill4paul]

More than 800 immigrants mistakenly granted citizenship
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?501312-More-than-800-immigrants-mistakenly-granted-citizenship

Re-read the quoted post. There is noting to dispute.

[Lucille]

Invade the world, invite the world. Yeah, it's going to turn out swell. Just swell!

Forget that the Empire has been bombing the ME for decades, pissing them off and creating more enemies for the west. They'll get over it once they're here, I'm sure. Dirt is magic!


the killing of civilians, although unintentional, angers other civilians and prompts them to seek revenge. This should be self-evident.

The Central Intelligence Agency has long acknowledged and analyzed the concept of blowback in our foreign policy. It still amazes me that so many think that attacks against our soldiers occupying hostile foreign lands are motivated by hatred toward our system of government at home or by the religion of the attackers. In fact, most of the anger towards us is rooted in reactions towards seeing their mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers and other loved ones being killed by a foreign army. No matter our intentions, the violence of our militarism in foreign lands causes those residents to seek revenge if innocents are killed. One does not have to be Muslim to react this way, just human.

Do the globalists geniuses know which branch of Islam these refugees follow?

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And do any persecuted Christians get to come, or would the Empire's proxy war on Christians (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?392622-The-US-proxy-war-on-MENA-Christians-continues-apace) preclude that invite?

Bottom line, the Empire is inviting problems, but maybe that's the point.

[Lucille]

Those aren't refugees.

The author put two entirely different issues together in the same article in the hopes that readers like you would conflate the two into a single topic. And it worked!

TIIC are still actively importing people from countries “of concern to national security,” and who might well hate our guts, and rightly so. And unlike ineducable progs, I don't believe the government is competent at anything (other than theft and killing).

Which federal behemoth do you work for again?


On Wednesday, State Department spokesman John Kirby finally acknowledged a well-known truth: ISIS is attempting to infiltrate the United States via the Obama administration’s refugee resettlement program.

"I wouldn't debate the fact that there's the potential for ISIS terrorists to try to insert themselves, and we see that in some of the refugee camps in Jordan and in Turkey, where they try to insert themselves into the population," Kirby told the hosts of "Fox and Friends.”

Many of the refugees the US plans on accepting are supposedly “vetted” at these very refugee camps in Jordan and Turkey.


This is one of the errors in the Trumpian narrative imho. The refugee system is actually extremely strict, and has a very good record as to who it lets in. Vastly better than any other method of immigration. But... because brown Syrians ooga booga, let me scare you with these refugees over here.

You see racism everywhere! Is that why Rand Paul (https://www.paul.senate.gov/news/press/sen-rand-paul-introduces-legislation-to-prevent-terrorists-from-entering-the-us-as-refugees-) opposes this madness? Because he's racist? It's really not because they're brown, you race-baiting globalist prog. -repped and reported for false accusations of racism.

[TheCount]

More than 800 immigrants mistakenly granted citizenship
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?501312-More-than-800-immigrants-mistakenly-granted-citizenship


Fuck's sake. This was addressed earlier in the thread.

Refugees are immigrants but not all immigrants are refugees. The refugee vetting process is long and extensive. The normal immigration process is not. It is two entirely different systems.



Invade the world, invite the world. Yeah, it's going to turn out swell. Just swell!

Forget that the Empire has been bombing the ME for decades, pissing them off and creating more enemies for the west. They'll get over it once they're here, I'm sure. Dirt is magic!

When you get proven wrong just change the subject I guess.




And do any persecuted Christians get to come, or would the Empire's proxy war on Christians (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?392622-The-US-proxy-war-on-MENA-Christians-continues-apace) preclude that invite?

You could take 5 seconds out of your life and do a Google search rather than just imagining how things are:

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2016/08/FT_16.08.12_religionRefugees.png

[TheCount]

TIIC are still actively importing people from countries “of concern to national security,” and who might well hate our guts, and rightly so.

Good thing that's all part of the vetting process that you somehow managed not to read despite the fact that it was posted in this very thread.

Just because the county is "of concern to national security" doesn't mean that the people are.


Side note, "of concern to national security" is a completely bullshit phrase. How, exactly, are the countries of Syria or Libya posing a concern to the security of the United States? I would love to know.




Which federal behemoth do you work for again?

Says the person who is falling hook, line, and sinker for the MIC premise that these countries are of concern to us. Pot, kettle, I believe you two know each other.




You see racism everywhere! Is that why Rand Paul (https://www.paul.senate.gov/news/press/sen-rand-paul-introduces-legislation-to-prevent-terrorists-from-entering-the-us-as-refugees-) opposes this madness? Because he's racist? It's really not because they're brown, you race-baiting globalist prog. -repped and reported for false accusations of racism.

Rand Paul doesn't oppose it. He proposed a review of it. Entirely different. If you could be bothered to actually read the bill you would know that.

[Lucille]

Just because the county is "of concern to national security" doesn't mean that the people are.

Side note, "of concern to national security" is a completely bullshit phrase. How, exactly, are the countries of Syria or Libya posing a concern to the security of the United States? I would love to know.

Killary and Obama destroyed Libya and Syria, and that includes the people in them.

"One does not have to be Muslim to react this way, just human."

INVADE THE WORLD, INVITE THE WORLD is madness.

You, of course, are welcome to believe whatever makes you feel self-righteous and happy.

[Lucille]

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And here we were told by the globalist tools how the refugee screening process is even more stringent. SJWs always lie!

http://goodlatte.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=681


[The] Refugee Program is particularly vulnerable to fraud due to loose evidentiary requirements where at times the testimony of an applicant alone is sufficient for approval. As a result, a range of bad actors, who use manufactured histories, biographies and other false statements, as well as produce and submit fictitious supporting documentation, have exploited this program.

Refugee fraud is easy to commit, yet not easy to investigate [B][r]efugee laws purposefully contain relaxed evidentiary requirements . . . , Refugee applications do not require sponsorship of a third party, such as a relative or employer, [and] Refugee claims are typically made in areas of the world where it is difficult to investigate the veracity of the claim.

Cui bono? The MIC, and the police state, that's who.

[Danke]

illegals and crime.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/illegal_aliens_murder_at_a_much_higher_rate_than_u s_citizens_do.html

[timosman]

The usual bunch of useful idiots is trying to defend the indefensible. :D

[pcosmar]

They declared me to be a terrorist years ago.

http://pcosmar.blogspot.com/2009/03/i-am-domestic-terrorist.html

The enemy of my enemy might just be a friend I haven't met yet.

[Zippyjuan]

illegals and crime.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/illegal_aliens_murder_at_a_much_higher_rate_than_u s_citizens_do.html

What crime were they mostly in jail for? 65% were in jail for not having the proper papers- not because they committed any real crimes which harmed anybody. http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf


Sixty-five percent of the 249,000 criminal aliens in our study population
were arrested at least once for either a civil or criminal immigration
violation. The two types of arrests typically lead to different outcomes:
arrests for civil immigration violations are for the purpose of placing
individuals into removal proceedings, whereas arrests for criminal
violations can lead to criminal prosecution.

It also noted:


There are no reliable population data on criminal aliens incarcerated
in all state prison systems and local jails.


Further, the criminal alien population as a percentage of the total fed
inmate population has remained relatively constant since 2001.

[Danke]

What crime were they mostly in jail for? 65% were in jail for not having the proper papers- not because they committed any real crimes which harmed anybody. http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf



It also noted:

You didn't read the article, did you?

[PierzStyx]

25-29% of French Muslims believe Sharia law should supercede french, secular law. So 1/3 of muslim refugees are/going to be terrorists or terrorist sympathizers.

Sharia law should supersede civil law for Muslims. Just as rabbinical law should supersede civil law for Jews, Christian laws for Christians, so forth and so on, forever. Imposing a form of law on a non-compliant minority by violent force is the same whether you're a Muslim or a member of the US government. The State is Terrorism.

[PierzStyx]

Just go away.

Truth is hard to hear, isn't it? There is no difference betwene the US government an al-Qaeda, except al-Qaeda hasn't killed nearly as many innocent people.

[PierzStyx]

illegals and crime.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/illegal_aliens_murder_at_a_much_higher_rate_than_u s_citizens_do.html

You want be to accept the word of a neoconservative rag? Sorry, no.

But how about libertarian ones? Ones that actually demonstrate that "illegal" immigrants actually commit fewer violent crimes than the average American?

http://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-crime-what-research-says

https://fee.org/articles/15-common-arguments-against-immigration-addressed/