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Anti Federalist
09-16-2016, 03:10 PM
And to the thousands who may lose everything: fuck you, move along.

Quit crabbing: Obama creates major no-go zone for fishermen in the Atlantic

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/15/quit-crabbing-obama-creates-major-no-go-zone-for-fishermen-in-atlantic.html

President Barack Obama has created a 4,900 square mile no-go zone for commercial fishing and other activity off the coast of New England as the first-ever Atlantic marine monument, a move loudly hailed by many environmentalists, but drawing strong protests from the fishing industry as well as causing discomfort among some prominent Democratic politicians whose constituents are affected.

According to the White House, the newly protected zone, which focuses on a section of the lip of the continental shelf near the fishing grounds of Georges Bank, “includes three underwater canyons deeper than the Grand Canyon and four underwater mountains known as ‘seamounts’ that are biodiversity hotspots and home to many rare and endangered species.”

CLICK HERE FOR A MAP OF THE AREA

But the area now known as the Northeast Canyons and Seamounts Marine National Monument is also the site of rich lobster and crab fisheries and other commercial fishing activities that are overseen by regional fisheries management councils and are considered to be well-managed, sustainable activities. Some of the fisheries have self-imposed restrictions that are tougher than those laid out by the regulators—and also fish at sea levels far above the ocean bottoms that the marine preserve claims to protect.

Under the monument designation, commercial fishermen have 60 days to depart from the area. Lobster and crab fishermen have been given a seven-year phase-out provision. Recreational fishing will continue to be allowed.

As he did last month in creating a new Pacific marine preserve that is now the largest marine set-aside in the world, Obama used the Antiquities Act of 1906, which allows creation of the protected area by decree rather than the normal legislative process—a procedure that has drawn as much criticism from fishing communities as the creation of the preserve itself.

In a press release, the Atlantic Offshore Lobstermen’s Association declared that “We find it deplorable that the government is kicking the domestic fishing fleet out of an area where they sustainably harvest healthy fish stocks. Declaring a monument via Presidential fiat under unilateral authority of the Antiquities Act stands contrary to the principles of open government and transparency espoused by this President.”

Ray Hilborn, a fisheries scientist who is an expert on global fishing stocks, concurs. He told Fox News, “There is simply no need for arbitrary declaration of Marine Monuments. We have a legal framework that can protect habitats, and rebuild fish stocks that relies on scientific analysis and consultation. If there is a real threat these areas can be closed by the fisheries management councils. Bypassing science and consultation is a very dangerous trend.”

On the other hand, recreational fishing groups that got a waiver from the restrictions hailed the designation as a “thoughtful approach” that “recognizes the importance of allowing the public to access and enjoy these precious areas.”

Officials at the Pew Charitable Trusts, long a leading advocate of marine preserves, declared the occasion “historic for the Atlantic Ocean” in a press release. Lee Crockett, who heads up the U.S. ocean conservation project at Pew, added that “science is clear that setting aside biologically important areas can increase resilience as ocean conditions change.”

One question, though, is now much of a set-aside is actually needed.

Lobstermen’s Association president Grant Moore told Fox News that despite intensive meetings with the White House Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ) six months ago and then a month ago, the Administration rejected a fishing industry proposal that the top 450 meters of the ocean in the preserve area be exempted from the zone. That would, he said, have preserved the sensitive corals and other species that were the Administration’s stated concerns.

“Surveys have shown that the shallowest of the corals are more than 360 fathoms (2,160 feet, or about 660 meters) from the surface,” he said. It would have been a win-win for everyone.”

According to red crab fisherman Jon Williams, the fishermen were assured by the CEQ officials that they would be “included in the decision-making process,” but the final decision was given to them “in a phone call from the Administration yesterday.”

According to the fishermen, the first impact of the new designation is going to be to increase fishing pressures elsewhere, as the industry adjusts to the no-go boundaries.

“In all, some 12,000 permitted lobster traps are going to have to go elsewhere,” noted Moore. All told, he said, some 1.5 million pounds of lobster catch annually is affected, and in the end, much of it may come from imports from Canada as a result.

Lobster fishermen had already voluntarily cut back their activity by nearly a third in response to conservation concerns, he said, and then by another 25 per cent more recently.

The no-go designation also created a tricky situation for local Democratic politicians who had worked closely with the fishermen in trying to find an accommodation with the federal bureaucrats, and also have to live with the result.

Massachusetts Senator Ed Markey, one of the behind-the-scenes go-betweens, did not answer a request from Fox News for a response to the monument designation. He was quoted in the Boston Globe as calling the decision an “important milestone” for conservation, while observing in muted fashion that he was “concerned that the impacts…on the fishing community of New England were not fully minimized.”

Jon Mitchell, popular mayor of the historic fishing center of New Bedford, MA, who wrote a letter in August to the CEQ expressing his concerns, was only a shade less diplomatic.

He praised the White House as having “sought out more input than is required” in a presidential action, but said such decisions should involve “more robust regulatory processes” under the so-called Magnuson-Stevens Act governing fisheries regulation, which established the regional fisheries management councils, and which, Mitchell said, successfully protected sea canyons elsewhere in the Atlantic “without unduly burdening the fishing industry.”

Regardless of what the fishermen and their elected officials thought, the future could well hold additional White House actions. The Atlantic monument designation was the Administration’s show-piece for a State Department-hosted Our Ocean conference that applauded similar marine preserves established by other countries and encouraged still more in the future.

All of them, and more, would be required to meet a U.N.-sponsored Sustainable Development Goal to protect 10 per cent of the world’s oceans by 2020.

Indeed, at the conference, preserve proponents declared that at least 600 new protected ocean areas would be needed to come half-way close to that goal—and that a better objective might be 30 per cent or even 40 percent of the world’s oceans.

Origanalist
09-16-2016, 03:13 PM
Didn't he just do the same thing in Hawaii? The kings roads, the kings waterways, the kings ocean.

Danke
09-16-2016, 03:18 PM
cui bono?

Suzanimal
09-16-2016, 03:19 PM
Didn't he just do the same thing in Hawaii? The kings roads, the kings waterways, the kings ocean.

Yup.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?500148-Obama-creates-largest-ocean-reserve-takes-heat-for-new-federal-decrees&highlight=Hawaii

Origanalist
09-16-2016, 03:22 PM
cui bono?

For all mankind, he is after all a Nobel Peace prize recipient.

Natural Citizen
09-16-2016, 03:23 PM
We already bow to Kings.



Right?

fisharmor
09-16-2016, 03:43 PM
Lobster fishermen had already voluntarily cut back their activity by nearly a third in response to conservation concerns, he said, and then by another 25 per cent more recently.

Interesting... the gun control play.
Get them to "see reason" for a few years, and then just take them all away.

Anti Federalist
09-16-2016, 04:11 PM
Interesting... the gun control play.
Get them to "see reason" for a few years, and then just take them all away.

The real terrorists are in DC.

And one should never negotiate with terrorists.

Anti Federalist
09-16-2016, 04:12 PM
Didn't he just do the same thing in Hawaii? The kings roads, the kings waterways, the kings ocean.

The King's homes and land as well.

Move along, knave.

oyarde
09-16-2016, 04:58 PM
The Kings seafood must be especially tasty . I will pay a little extra for any from there .

Natural Citizen
09-16-2016, 05:39 PM
He's a strong King. Eye of the tiger, baby. Eye of the tiger.

http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/201455/rs_634x1024-140605155013-634.Barack-Obama-Gym-Poland.ms.060514.jpg

http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Obama-working-out-540x298.png

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1816984.1401906356!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/article-lifting2-0604.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1818931.1402008468!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/workout6n-14-web.jpg

http://videos.usatoday.net/Brightcove2/29906170001/2014/06/29906170001_3607242943001_0604-USA-NOW-thumbnail.jpg

http://www.careeraddict.com/img/candidate-1687175-2015-07-09-13-11-22.jpg

Natural Citizen
09-16-2016, 05:43 PM
It's the King's fishin hole.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Barack_Obama_fishing_2.jpg

Origanalist
09-16-2016, 06:17 PM
And the noose keeps tightening. Prison planet.


Regardless of what the fishermen and their elected officials thought, the future could well hold additional White House actions. The Atlantic monument designation was the Administration’s show-piece for a State Department-hosted Our Ocean conference that applauded similar marine preserves established by other countries and encouraged still more in the future.

All of them, and more, would be required to meet a U.N.-sponsored Sustainable Development Goal to protect 10 per cent of the world’s oceans by 2020.

Indeed, at the conference, preserve proponents declared that at least 600 new protected ocean areas would be needed to come half-way close to that goal—and that a better objective might be 30 per cent or even 40 percent of the world’s oceans.

Suzanimal
09-16-2016, 06:27 PM
Michelle has to bait his hook.


It's the King's fishin hole.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Barack_Obama_fishing_2.jpg

donnay
09-16-2016, 06:59 PM
Michelle has to bait his hook.

Michelle doesn't do fly fishing, that's too boring, she gets out on a charter and goes offshore for the big game fish. That's what manly men do!

bunklocoempire
09-16-2016, 07:01 PM
Didn't he just do the same thing in Hawaii? The kings roads, the kings waterways, the kings ocean.

Yep. It's all cool, 'cause fishing for food close by isn't really a big deal on an ISLAND.
Sorry keiki, no fish for ya. Bill Global Clinton sez the U.S conquered you, but now this prez sez no fish for the conquered people.
Now build him a library.

Anti Federalist
09-16-2016, 07:27 PM
Deserves a re-post


Right?


So bow to Kings? Individual Liberty = Man's Freedom from Government-over-Man. Not the other way around.

We already bow to Kings.

Government is in our lives and dictates to us through fatwas and decrees more than the most tyrannical of kings ever dared to think of.

The primary reason the people have not risen up in righteous rebellion is because of the patina and legitimacy of "democracy".

Which is the crazy idea that if 51 percent of your neighbors vote to steal your shit and enslave you, it then becomes "policy" and "justice" and is legitimate.

Origanalist
09-16-2016, 07:33 PM
Yep. It's all cool, 'cause fishing for food close by isn't really a big deal on an ISLAND.
Sorry keiki, no fish for ya. Bill Global Clinton sez the U.S conquered you, but now this prez sez no fish for the conquered people.
Now build him a library.

If it makes you feel any better, we're all conquered people now. Some of us just don't have enough sense to see it. I actually had a debate with some guy online about a year ago I suppose that actually told me we were free because we could watch a ball game or our favorite tv shows. True story.

Danke
09-17-2016, 12:39 AM
If it makes you feel any better, we're all conquered people now. Some of us just don't have enough sense to see it. I actually had a debate with some guy online about a year ago I suppose that actually told me we were free because we could watch a ball game or our favorite tv shows. True story.

:confused: we are free not to stand at ball games during the Star-Spangled Banner.

luctor-et-emergo
09-17-2016, 12:51 AM
To be fair. Fish stocks in general have decreased dramatically over the past century. Until we find a better solution I am strongly in favor of marine reserves or whatever you want to call them.

Danke
09-17-2016, 12:55 AM
To be fair. Fish stocks in general have decreased dramatically over the past century. Until we find a better solution I am strongly in favor of marine reserves or whatever you want to call them.

Did you read the article? No anchovies on your pizza.

Anti Federalist
09-17-2016, 12:59 AM
To be fair. Fish stocks in general have decreased dramatically over the past century. Until we find a better solution I am strongly in favor of marine reserves or whatever you want to call them.

And that's why we are in this mess.

It's always somebody's ax to grind, as long as the fatwa does not affect us, personally.

What would you think when an EU fatwa bans your wood fired pizza oven you spent so much time and effort on?

What if that fatwa not only meant that you would not be able to use your property, but you and your family would be homeless, or on government welfare?

Danke
09-17-2016, 01:05 AM
Deserves a re-post





We already bow to Kings.

Government is in our lives and dictates to us through fatwas and decrees more than the most tyrannical of kings ever dared to think of.

The primary reason the people have not risen up in righteous rebellion is because of the patina and legitimacy of "democracy".

Which is the crazy idea that if 51 percent of your neighbors vote to steal your shit and enslave you, it then becomes "policy" and "justice" and is legitimate.

"A democracy which makes or even effectively prepares for modern, scientific war must necessarily cease to be democratic. No country can be really well prepared for modern war unless it is governed by a tyrant, at the head of a highly trained and perfectly obedient bureaucracy." -Aldous Huxley

donnay
09-17-2016, 05:50 AM
To be fair. Fish stocks in general have decreased dramatically over the past century. Until we find a better solution I am strongly in favor of marine reserves or whatever you want to call them.

It's certainly not a Mom and Pop fishery. It is the big corporations who come in to an area (any area) and deplete it and move on to another.

I have a real problem with governments granting people the privilege of making a living but issuing out licenses to do so.

luctor-et-emergo
09-17-2016, 04:40 PM
It's certainly not a Mom and Pop fishery. It is the big corporations who come in to an area (any area) and deplete it and move on to another.

I have a real problem with governments granting people the privilege of making a living but issuing out licenses to do so.

I feel very conflicted about this topic. There are no great answers. I do know that having marine reserves at least protects species against collapse. Which is a funny thing... Those off-shore windmill parks may be a poor choice of energy but since there's no boats allowed in them, they do work as a sort of reserve and in fact it has been shown that healthy populations of fish reside in them. Humans simply are too good at harvesting natural resources. I don't know what the right answer is but I'd really like to keep the species of fish we currently harvest around for my grand-kids.

luctor-et-emergo
09-17-2016, 04:43 PM
And that's why we are in this mess.

It's always somebody's ax to grind, as long as the fatwa does not affect us, personally.

What would you think when an EU fatwa bans your wood fired pizza oven you spent so much time and effort on?

What if that fatwa not only meant that you would not be able to use your property, but you and your family would be homeless, or on government welfare?

I'm not against fisherman. I feel for them. I wish things could be turned back to a situation with more employment, more eye for the environment, smaller scale and better quality, of fish and of life of the fisherman. But if there's no more fish to catch, that won't do anyone any good.