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tsai3904
09-07-2016, 09:57 AM
Why are we giving the Saudis $1 billion in weapons with zero debate?

September 7, 2016
Justin Amash

The United States government has an unfortunate history of ill-conceived arms sales to nations around the world. But it’s our longstanding arrangement with Saudi Arabia that has become particularly troubling in recent years.

President Barack Obama’s latest announcement—that he intends to provide the Saudis with a rushed order of over one billion dollars in new weaponry—should provide the impetus Congress needs to seriously reflect on and re-evaluate the nature of our relationship with this supposed ally.

Last week, I joined a bipartisan coalition of 64 U.S. representatives in sending a letter to President Obama asking him to delay the weapons sale to Saudi Arabia. As my concerned colleagues and I note, “Amnesty International has documented at least 33 unlawful airstrikes by the Saudi Arabia-led coalition across Yemen that appear to have deliberately targeted civilians and civilian facilities, such as hospitals, schools, markets, and places of worship. These attacks may amount to war crimes.”

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phill4paul
09-07-2016, 03:43 PM
A billion in arms sales! That's great. Taxes should go down after the profit is made.

kfarnan
09-07-2016, 04:35 PM
nobel peace laureate.

AZJoe
09-08-2016, 07:52 AM
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/media/blogs/blog/46/obama-yemen46.jpg

enhanced_deficit
09-10-2016, 11:47 PM
Probably for same reason $Billions in weapons given to Israel without much debate.

The zionist lobbies need Saudi dictators and Islamic jihadis they supoort. These lobbies have bought too many politicians and this seems to be going on even after 9/11.

jct74
09-20-2016, 09:21 PM
letter to Obama that Justin signed along with 63 other members of congress



Justin Amash
August 30 at 3:58pm

On Monday, 63 of my colleagues and I sent the following letter to Pres. Obama:

August 29, 2016

Dear President Obama,

On August 8, your administration notified Congress of intent to sell $1.15 billion of weapons to Saudi Arabia, including tanks which would replace tanks destroyed in Saudi Arabia's war against Houthi rebels in Yemen.

We respectfully urge you to postpone this plan and withdraw the notification for the following reasons.

Past Congressional concerns about Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen have not been addressed. In October, Members of Congress wrote to you urging greater efforts to avoid civilian casualties in Yemen and achieve a diplomatic solution to the conflict. In June, 204 Members of the House, including 40 Republicans and all but 16 Democrats, voted to block the transfer of cluster bombs to Saudi Arabia after reports of their use in civilian areas in Yemen. Yet, just in the last several days, a Saudi airstrike on a school in Yemen killed 10 children – some as young as 6-years-old – and a Saudi airstrike on an MSF hospital in Yemen killed 11 people.

Indeed, Amnesty International has documented at least 33 unlawful airstrikes by the Saudi Arabia-led coalition across Yemen that appear to have deliberately targeted civilians and civilian facilities, such as hospitals, schools, markets, and places of worship. These attacks may amount to war crimes.

This military campaign has had a deeply troubling impact on civilians. According to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, 3,704 civilians, including 1,121 children have been killed during the conflict. 2.8 million Yemenis have been internally displaced by the fighting, with 83 percent of the population now dependent on humanitarian assistance for survival. Any decision to sell more arms to Saudi Arabia should be given adequate time for full deliberation by Congress.

We are concerned, however, that the timing of this notification during the August Congressional recess could be interpreted to mean that Congress has little time to consider the arms deal when it returns from recess within the 30 day window established by law. We are not aware of any compelling reason why Congressional approval of the sale could not be postponed to allow for meaningful Congressional debate on this issue that has major implications for both civilians in Yemen as well as our national security.

In announcing your decision to seek Congressional authorization for the use of force against the Syrian government in 2013, you stated that: "I've long believed that our power is rooted not just in our military might, but in our example as a government of the people, by the people, and for the people." We strongly agree. We urge you to delay this proposed arms deal so that the people's representatives in Congress can give these issues the full deliberation that they deserve.

Thank you kindly for your attention to this matter.

https://www.facebook.com/justinamash/posts/1147703278602410

Origanalist
10-08-2016, 11:48 PM
https://coxrare.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/obama-and-saudi-king-ap.jpg?w=1200&h=627&crop=1

The United States government has an unfortunate history of ill-conceived arms sales to nations around the world. But it’s our longstanding arrangement with Saudi Arabia that has become particularly troubling in recent years.

President Barack Obama’s latest announcement—that he intends to provide the Saudis with a rushed order of over one billion dollars in new weaponry—should provide the impetus Congress needs to seriously reflect on and re-evaluate the nature of our relationship with this supposed ally.

Last week, I joined a bipartisan coalition of 64 U.S. representatives in sending a letter to President Obama asking him to delay the weapons sale to Saudi Arabia. As my concerned colleagues and I note, “Amnesty International has documented at least 33 unlawful airstrikes by the Saudi Arabia-led coalition across Yemen that appear to have deliberately targeted civilians and civilian facilities, such as hospitals, schools, markets, and places of worship. These attacks may amount to war crimes.”

Despite the seriousness of this allegation, the Obama administration is attempting to push through another weapons sale in a long line of many—this time with a price tag of $1.15 billion. By law, Congress may block any such transfer within 30 days of being notified, but this notification came on August 8—and congressional business was not scheduled to resume until September 6.

That leaves a mere two days for Congress to debate and potentially vote on the sale—a tall order in the House of Representatives and an impossibility in the Senate. While it’s true that the United States has regularly supplied Saudi Arabia with weapons with little fanfare since at least the 1970s, it’s long past time to reconsider this arrangement.

continued..http://rare.us/story/justin-amash-why-are-we-giving-the-saudis-1-billion-in-weapons-with-zero-debate/

Weston White
10-09-2016, 12:13 AM
Simply put, because daddy needs his ribs and p***y!

Danke
10-09-2016, 12:54 AM
What about Israel?

AZJoe
10-09-2016, 01:33 AM
Obama has to supply the state supporter of terror, so they can supply Washington's Salafist "moderate" terrorists in Syria, and also continue the war crimes and human rights violations in Yemen.

Origanalist
10-09-2016, 06:21 AM
What about Israel?

Yes, the same question applies. Even more so. The Saudis have oil, what does Israel have?

juleswin
10-09-2016, 06:32 AM
Yes, the same question applies. Even more so. The Saudis have oil, what does Israel have?

Yea, the Saudis also pay for their weapons instead of get it for free or heavily discounted. I guess you have to crawl before you walk

Weston White
10-09-2016, 07:31 AM
Yes, the same question applies. Even more so. The Saudis have oil, what does Israel have?

Jerusalem?

presence
10-09-2016, 08:06 AM
The Saudis have oil, what does Israel have?

Israel is a NATO corporate-oil vassal-state military base in the middle east; nothing more than a strategic vantage point of war for profit.

AZJoe
10-09-2016, 09:30 AM
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/14523217_1828563657363893_7371113574616234814_n.jp g?oh=ef7eefa0c9aa784cbfc397b002765a9f&oe=5864B35C

Zippyjuan
10-09-2016, 11:42 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/09/saudi-arabia-investigate-air-raid-on-funeral-in-yemen


US says support for Saudi Arabia not a 'blank cheque' after Yemen air raid


The US said its security cooperation with Saudi Arabia was not a “blank cheque” as Riyadh agreed to mount an investigation into a widely condemned air raid on funeral in Yemen that killed 140 people.

In one of the deadliest attacks of the country’s civil war, which Saudi Arabia entered in March 2015, airstrikes on Saturday hit a funeral hall packed with thousands of mourners in Yemen’s rebel-held capital, Sana’a. More than 525 people were wounded.

The Saudi-led coalition has not acknowledged responsibility for the attack, even as it announced an investigation, but is the only force with such air power in the conflict.

The White House issued a statement saying it had begun an “immediate review” of its support for Saudi Arabia in Yemen. The attack has been condemned by the UN, the European Union and the United States.

The issue is embarrassing for the US since it has decried the Russian failure to be more open about its role in the air attack on a UN aid convoy in Syria, and it will face allegations of double standards if it allows the Saudis to delay an inquiry.

The US, like the UK, supplies arms to Saudi Arabia and practical military advice, even though the precise extent of that advice is disputed.

White House national security council spokesman Ned Simon said: “We are deeply disturbed by reports of [the] airstrike on a funeral hall in Yemen, which, if confirmed, would continue the troubling series of attacks striking Yemeni civilians. US security cooperation with Saudi Arabia is not a blank cheque.

“Even as we assist Saudi Arabia regarding the defence of their territorial integrity, we have and will continue to express our serious concerns about the conflict in Yemen and how it has been waged. In light of this and other recent incidents, we have initiated an immediate review of our already significantly reduced support to the Saudi-led coalition and are prepared to adjust our support so as to better align with US principles, values and interests, including achieving an immediate and durable end to Yemen’s tragic conflict.”

The UK foreign office minister Tobias Ellwood also called for the Saudis to urgently investigate. Reuters quoted Saudi officials as denying any strike and insisting its air force has clear instructions to avoid such targets. The Foreign Office has insisted UK arms export licences to Saudi Arabia do not need to be revoked since there was no serious risk of a breach of humanitarian law.

In an unexpected twist, Islamic State claimed responsibility for the attacks even though it is thought the deaths were caused by an air raid, and Isis has no access to aircraft.


More at link.

AZJoe
10-09-2016, 07:11 PM
US says support for Saudi Arabia not a 'blank cheque' after Yemen air raid

It's not a blank check - just a billion dollars worth of weapons, to go along with the $115 billion in weapons and bombs the Obama Administration has already done for the Saudi dictatorship.

oyarde
10-10-2016, 03:19 PM
Debate all you like . We should not be giving the Saudis anything .

wizardwatson
10-10-2016, 03:30 PM
Because it isn't fair that we have to air drop all these weapons to ISIS. It's more cost efficient to transport them on a big ship and have KSA pass them out.

I think Justin was asking rhetorically anyway.

Zippyjuan
10-10-2016, 03:51 PM
Debate all you like . We should not be giving the Saudis anything .

Technically, the weapons were sold, not given away.


Despite the seriousness of this allegation, the Obama administration is attempting to push through another weapons sale in a long line of many—this time with a price tag of $1.15 billion. By law, Congress may block any such transfer within 30 days of being notified, but this notification came on August 8—and congressional business was not scheduled to resume until September 6.


Would that create high paying US jobs? Or they can buy them from Russia or China.

oyarde
10-10-2016, 03:58 PM
Technically, the weapons were sold, not given away.



Would that create high paying US jobs?

That is a big difference. I do not believe in any foriegn aid that gifts monies or any money given to the UN . None of that serves the American taxpayer .Selling something at a profit is different . There will be a responsibility though with selling weapons. Can someone make a case the Saudis are worthy ?

AZJoe
10-10-2016, 04:03 PM
Would that create high paying US jobs?

Yeah. Sell weapons to an oppressive dictatorship waging a genocidal war and supplying jihadist terrorists armies because think of all the profits for the MIC. We can't possibly have good jobs any other way.
Zippy would have been the guy arguing to sell high tech weapons to Hitler and Stalin because he wouldn't want them to buy them from somebody else.

Zippyjuan
10-10-2016, 04:05 PM
Russia does it all of the time.

Origanalist
10-10-2016, 04:21 PM
Russia does it all of the time.

WTH kind of reasoning is that? Russia has done plenty of things over the last century, by your logic the US could commit untold evil because "Russia".

bunklocoempire
10-10-2016, 07:32 PM
I put "Wolf Blitzer" on ignore a while back.

If I want to hear what CNN has to say, I'll tune in to CNN. No need to read the CNN spin here.

ZENemy
10-11-2016, 10:19 AM
Why are WE?????????


PHSHSHHSHS, Im not giving anybody SHIT, my money is stolen via violence and then used for whatever the thief deems fit.