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RonPaulFanInGA
09-02-2016, 12:45 AM
We're now in September, which is when the Commission on Presidential Debates begins using national polls to determine who gets into the debates, and the latest poll has Gary Johnson at 7% nationally (http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch), which is not even half of the required 15% needed for admission.

Will we get a repeat of this hilarity?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P462xM_Fuak

Origanalist
09-02-2016, 12:52 AM
Fuck the Commission on Presidential Debates. With a red hot poker.

Murray N Rothbard
09-02-2016, 07:50 AM
His own fault for abandoning principles in his arguments. Not to mention his VP pick.

The LP is in as much trouble with GJ as its nominee as the GOP is with Trump as its nominee. Hopefully both have a complete overhaul with more principled pro-liberty candidates in 2020.

CaptUSA
09-02-2016, 08:14 AM
His own fault for abandoning principles in his arguments. Not to mention his VP pick.

The LP is in as much trouble with GJ as its nominee as the GOP is with Trump as its nominee. Hopefully both have a complete overhaul with more principled pro-liberty candidates in 2020.

Meh - it didn't have anything to do with principles. Absolutely zero. Polls are just a reflection of how many times you've been mentioned in the press.

You may do marginally higher, or marginally lower, but you won't make 15% unless they want you to. If they had given Johnson the percentage of airtime related to his polls, he would be in the debates. If they did the same to Clinton and Trump, they may not be.

RJ Liberty
09-02-2016, 08:51 AM
Meh - it didn't have anything to do with principles. Absolutely zero. Polls are just a reflection of how many times you've been mentioned in the press.

You may do marginally higher, or marginally lower, but you won't make 15% unless they want you to. If they had given Johnson the percentage of airtime related to his polls, he would be in the debates. If they did the same to Clinton and Trump, they may not be.

Exactly right.

BTW, what is the point of citing a poll which won't be used in determining whether Gary makes the debates or not? The only five polls that matter for the debates are ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, and CNN. In those polls, Gary's at 10% (http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/15/media/commission-on-presidential-debates-polls/). Why cite a 7% number which has no bearing on the CPD?

CaptUSA
09-02-2016, 09:25 AM
Exactly right.

BTW, what is the point of citing a poll which won't be used in determining whether Gary makes the debates or not? The only five polls that matter for the debates are ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, and CNN. In those polls, Gary's at 10% (http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/15/media/commission-on-presidential-debates-polls/). Why cite a 7% number which has no bearing on the CPD?

It's actually a good indicator for Johnson that his poll numbers exceed his media time. WRT Presidential candidates, he gets about 1-2% of air, but 8-11% in the polls.

Meanwhile, Trump gets roughly 60% of air and 40% in polls. Hillary's is about even. So, who is the media helping again???


(A curious solution would be if each candidate got his share of media coverage based on his polling instead of the other way around. A sort of "dollar" vote based on the public's demand. Those who out-perform their airtime would get more airtime the next time polls were taken and those that underperformed would lose airtime. It's an interesting concept, but I'm not sure how you'd enforce it. And the media would NEVER give up that kind of control to enforce it themselves.)

Champuckett
09-02-2016, 01:44 PM
GJ has less than a month to gain 3-8% poll points to get into the debates. Short of making some kind of crazy big announcement or suddenly getting a huge amount of media coverage, I don't see how this can happen in such a short time. He's been stuck at ~10% since May and hasn't budged. It's a shame, because we finally had a legitimate shot this election at getting a third party into the debates with two super hated and infamous candidates.