Leaving America?

[LibertiORDeth]

Ive noticed that several people talk about leaving the US if RP doesnt get elected. Is anyone here going to do that? If so, why? And where to?

[user]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=34281

[driller80545]

I will retire to Central America if Dr. Paul is not elected. I had plans to make the move already, but I am inspired by Dr. Paul and his message to hang around and watch what happens. I strongly believe that if one of the plastic candidates are elected the economy will crash hard. I had decided that the crash was inevitable, but I believe that Dr. Paul has the knowledge to turn things around and stop the government from spending us into bankruptcy. I don't believe that any other candidate is even concerned with the possibility.

[LibertiORDeth]

I will retire to Central America if Dr. Paul is not elected. I had plans to make the move already, but I am inspired by Dr. Paul and his message to hang around and watch what happens. I strongly believe that if one of the plastic candidates are elected the economy will crash hard. I had decided that the crash was inevitable, but I believe that Dr. Paul has the knowledge to turn things around and stop the government from spending us into bankruptcy. I don't believe that any other candidate is even concerned with the possibility.

Where in Central America? Why there? What is the government like there?

[driller80545]

The last three years I have been traveling to Panama and Costa Rica with the idea that I might be able to retire somewhere that is cheaper to live. Both of these countries are very receptive to Americans moving there to retire or not to retire. Costa Rica has a pretty socialistic government, but it is still new enough that the people in charge are patriots versus crooks and thieves. Both countries are very progressive in some things and fairly backward in other ways. I loved both places. The cultures are pretty easy going.

[LibertiORDeth]

hmm

[Ginobili]

Im planning on teaching english or history in japan after ron paul's presidancy is over, for like 8 years, then i plan on coming back over here and getting into politics.

[LibertiORDeth]

Is there a country that we could pretty much take over? Like, one with little or no government, population, that we and our changes would be welcome in?

[rory096]

Is there a country that we could pretty much take over? Like, one with little or no government, population, that we and our changes would be welcome in?
You mean New Hampshire? ;)

[driller80545]

bump

[TheNewYorker]

They are all full of it. Just whiners. Remember in 2004, if any of you are old enough, lots of famous celebrities and hollywood actors said they would move to Canada if Bush was elected again.

Yet they haven't moved yet.

lulz!

[V-rod]

Wusses

The only place worth moving to is your own island.

[Mortikhi]

I'll probably go to England, mainly because my career field has seen a 40% rise in pay in the last two years due to not enough programmers.
40% raise in pounds = loads of crap dollars.

[BuddyRey]

I'm gonna find whichever country on the World Map of Happiness suits me best (climate, language, culture, etc.)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/11/061113093726.htm

Either that, or join up with the Free State Project!

http://www.freestateproject.org/

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australia

[fortilite]

I won't leave the country, but I will start dodging taxes.

[Bossobass]

If you've considered a move out of the US, you aren't alone. An estimated 10,000,000 American households are considering exactly that.

Central America is where I've been looking for a year. I personally like Nicaragua and El Salvador.

Panama is the only country left that has no TIEA (tax information exchange agreement) with the US. I suspect that that's because the Bush family has much of it's assets in Panamanian banks, nevertheless, it's a top reason to consider Panama. Even Swiss accounts are at least partially vulnerable these days.

I don't know if any of you remember the Mitt fans photo that was contrasted with a lone RP supporter (holding an umbrella and a RP sign) photo on ABC's website from the Des Moines, Iowa debate? I met him there and we talked quite a lot about this subject.

He's a pilot (captain) for a major US airline and lives in Texas. He built a house (a very nice place, for way cheap) in Nicaragua and sends his daughter to Catholic school there for something like $30 a month.

Costa Rica, IMHO, is way too built up already and thus, too expensive, but just my opinion.

For us who are looking to retire soon, the ravages of inflation, the idea that social security (a trust fund that has never been a trust fund at all) which has been nothing more than another income tax, raped off the top of our income all of our lives, will be insolvent when it comes time to get our 'contributions' back, the insolvency of the US government, rising taxes and property taxes and now, the devaluation of housing (the American Dream) as the housing bubble bursts, the threat of the NAU, etc, etc...

It will take millions to be able to retire as a middle class American, if there even is a chance at all that there will continue to BE a middle class in America.

For me, it's Ron or nothing. YMMV.

Bosso

[Nathan Hale]

Ive noticed that several people talk about leaving the US if RP doesnt get elected. Is anyone here going to do that? If so, why? And where to?

Don't leave America - just move to New Hampshire with the Free State Project (www.freestateproject.org)

[MsDoodahs]

We're discussing a move to NH, had been discussing leaving the country.

No decisions yet...

[DrRich]

i left 3 years ago and never looked back.
(now in croatia)

[Malum Prohibitum]

Exactly where is there left to go? Please provide the name of even one nation that has the consitutional guarantees for liberty that the US has?

No, Ive considered it as well, and I have come to the conclusion that there is no better place to struggle for liberty than here in the US (though there are better states than others).

[user]

i left 3 years ago and never looked back.
(now in croatia)
Croatia? I think you'll soon be in the EU.

[DrRich]

Croatia? I think you'll soon be in the EU.

majority of the people dont want to be included in EU.
And there is a freeze right now on countries wanting to be included in EU.

[ronpaulfollower999]

majority of the people dont want to be included in EU.
And there is a freeze right now on countries wanting to be included in EU.

Most Americans and Canadians don't want to enter some type of a North American Union, but that aint stopping the govt.

[LibertiORDeth]

You mean New Hampshire? ;)

What do you mean?

[user]

What do you mean?
rory096 is referring to the Free State Project (http://www.freestateproject.org/).

[hellah10]

ive been wanting to move back to lebanon for years... even if the good doctor gets elected... but the risk vs. return is too much... that country is on the brink

[Danny Molina]

i left 3 years ago and never looked back.
(now in croatia)

Learning a Slavic language sounds hard. Though Croatia looks to be a beautiful place.

[thisisgiparti]

I live in Toronto now. My husband is a Canadian citizen banned from the US until June of next year (it was a three year ban.) It is an immigration problem. So, I live here, and it is nice but not my cup of tea.

I miss the America I grew up in, and it will take my lifetime to see it return to normal. It may never happen, and I have to say that without Ron Paul, I would be very discouraged.

My family came from the Hebrides islands of Scotland 300 years ago and settled in WV. I grew up in a small town, the daughter of a librarian. My mother was the first to leave our state in our family's history; she lives in Cleveland now.

I want to go back to Scotland; I think the American experiment failed. Sorry, but that is my belief, and I usually romanticize things. Maybe I'm being dramatic. I want to live in a quiet, small town with 125 people and no Walmart. I want to reconnect with my roots. I am very proud of my heritage, and it would be healing.

[Nefertiti]

Panama is the only country left that has no TIEA (tax information exchange agreement) with the US. I suspect that that's because the Bush family has much of it's assets in Panamanian banks, nevertheless, it's a top reason to consider Panama. Even Swiss accounts are at least partially vulnerable these days.



I had never heard of this TIEA but thanks for mentioning. Does anyone know how they identify people to report to the US government? Is it because they open accounts as American citizens in those other countries?

[johngr]

I'll probably go to England, mainly because my career field has seen a 40% rise in pay in the last two years due to not enough programmers.
40% raise in pounds = loads of crap dollars.

It sounds good until you realize you have to pay 3 quid for a cappuccino at Starbucks (yes there's one on every corner there, too) and similar prices for everything else.

[Meatwasp]

I'll stick by my American ship. Good or bad and help restore it.

[Minlawc]

I may be a just another "White American", but my roots are in this country. I'm part German, French, Scottish, Irish, English, and Amerindian. I probably wouldn't fit in physically or culturally... anywhere.

I believe we can take back this country and make it better than it is now, or was in the past. If we can get the Congress we want, and not just apoint a bunch of ball-less Democrats, we still have a chance.

[JenaS62]

Don't leave America - just move to New Hampshire with the Free State Project (www.freestateproject.org)

I've thought about it and then I see the snow and ice and change my mind. I live in Florida and although it's hot as hell and junglelike in the summer - I never want to scrape ice off my windshield or pay for heating oil ever again.

[LibertiORDeth]

I live in Toronto now. My husband is a Canadian citizen banned from the US until June of next year (it was a three year ban.) It is an immigration problem. So, I live here, and it is nice but not my cup of tea.

I miss the America I grew up in, and it will take my lifetime to see it return to normal. It may never happen, and I have to say that without Ron Paul, I would be very discouraged.

My family came from the Hebrides islands of Scotland 300 years ago and settled in WV. I grew up in a small town, the daughter of a librarian. My mother was the first to leave our state in our family's history; she lives in Cleveland now.

I want to go back to Scotland; I think the American experiment failed. Sorry, but that is my belief, and I usually romanticize things. Maybe I'm being dramatic. I want to live in a quiet, small town with 125 people and no Walmart. I want to reconnect with my roots. I am very proud of my heritage, and it would be healing.

Sounds like my (as you say) "cup of tea" also! :)

[Nathan Hale]

We're discussing a move to NH, had been discussing leaving the country.

No decisions yet...

NH is better. For starters it's closer. And secondly it has a huge number of pro-liberty activists already in place, and more on the way.

[Abyss19562]

I won't be able to move anywhere unfortunately, my wife would never move out of the U.S.

I wouldn't know where to go anyways since the whole world is going to be effected in one way or another anyways...

[rightobeleftalone]

I have been traveling to Panama for the past 5 yrs with the paln to retire there. In another couple of yrs I can do. The country is lovely with mountains and beach. Low population density about 3 million souls and you do not feel the reach of gov't. It is much cheaper than jCosta Rica. It is a prime spot. I viewed new houses 2/1 in new little subdivisions just outside the city of David in Chiriqui Province not far from the Pacific side for $30K. Brand new. I bought a beach front lot 3 yrs ago on the Pacific 1250 sq mtrs about 1/3rd acre for 50k. The developer, an American, turned out to be a real schmuck so I sold for 90K several months ago. I love Panama. It is hot and humid by the ocean which I like and cool in the mountains which my wife likes. Ya know how that one goes. The gov't is very pro business and they love Americans. THeir currency is based upon our dollar and you do not need to change currency as our dollars freely circulate. The dollar will go about 8 times as far there as here. You can truly live the American dream as a middle class American in Panama. THey have a pensionado program which makes it easy to get permanent residency in the country if you can show them you have an income of $500 per month! Dang, just writing about it all over again I want to go back real soon!

[rightobeleftalone]

Now of course if our man wins I may have to postpone plans for a time.