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adissa
08-12-2016, 12:43 PM
Don't believe me? Look for yourself

https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/vote-johnsonweld/

r3volution 3.0
08-12-2016, 12:47 PM
Gary Johnson's Pro-Liberty Positions:



end the fed, return to gold standard
balance the budget through spending cuts
replace all existing taxes with single FairTax
abolish Dept. of Education
opposes governmental efforts to mitigate climate change
opposes all business subsidies
opposed TARP
opposed auto company bailouts
opposes Keynesian stimulus spending
opposed Obamacare
opposed the Medicare Part D expansion under Bush
favors cutting social security, medicare, and medicaid
opposes labor unions
wants to eliminate the minimum wage
opposes immigration restrictions/deportation
favors tree trade, opposes tariffs
opposes governmental regulation of internet
opposes PATRIOT Act and NSA spying
opposed Iraq and Libya Wars
opposes involvement in Syria Civil War
opposes involvement in Ukraine Civil War
favors immediate withdrawal from Afghanistan
favors cuts in defense spending
supports 2nd Amendment
opposes War on Drugs
favors legalization of assisted suicide

EBounding
08-12-2016, 01:02 PM
And Tronald is a champion of liberty and the Constitution.

Krzysztof Lesiak
08-12-2016, 03:07 PM
Well, that was a short sentence.

Rockwell will be among many libertarians who will not vote for Johnson/Weld. I would not be surprised if one of these libertarians turned out to be Ron Paul. He has refused to endorse Johnson this year and given Weld's CFR membership, I don't see how he possibly could. A better option would be Darrell Castle, who is arguably more libertarian than Johnson/Weld.

https://amthirdpartyreport.com/2016/07/02/constitution-party-candidate-darrell-castle-says-hes-more-libertarian-than-gary-johnson/

If Tom Woods, or someone extremely similar ideologically to him, doesn't secure the LP's nomination in 2020, I will have lost all hope for "The Party of Principle." This is the third time in a row that their presidential ticket is absolutely outrageous.

Peace&Freedom
08-12-2016, 03:12 PM
Stacking the deck with a lot of positions that lack context or show the direction of those issue points, does not convey an accurate picture of Johnson/Weld's "libertarian" views. I'm speaking as one who supports Gary and the LP, but really, a lot of items on the list amount to neocon hijackings or mutations of the liberty agenda upon scrutiny, not principled positions.

The "fair tax" is not pro-liberty, it's a replacement of one version of legalized theft with another. TPP, which Johnson supports, is not "free trade," it's managed trade via international big government. Free immigration does not equal no lawful naturalization procedures to process migrants in a manner that protects both their and current citizens' safety or property from force and fraud. Etc., etc.

clint4liberty
08-13-2016, 05:30 PM
Lew Rockwell is a purist. I agree that Gary Johnson is no Ron Paul. Ron Paul is no longer running for President or even elected office. Gary Johnson stances on the issues is far superior to Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Please do not be a purist or even act like the guy is the lesser of three evils. All you have to do is listen to the man from ten minutes to know he is ready and qualified to be President.

Origanalist
08-13-2016, 05:50 PM
Stacking the deck with a lot of positions that lack context or show the direction of those issue points, does not convey an accurate picture of Johnson/Weld's "libertarian" views. I'm speaking as one who supports Gary and the LP, but really, a lot of items on the list amount to neocon hijackings or mutations of the liberty agenda upon scrutiny, not principled positions.

The "fair tax" is not pro-liberty, it's a replacement of one version of legalized theft with another. TPP, which Johnson supports, is not "free trade," it's managed trade via international big government. Free immigration does not equal no lawful naturalization procedures to process migrants in a manner that protects both their and current citizens' safety or property from force and fraud. Etc., etc.

For once we are in agreement.

Origanalist
08-13-2016, 05:52 PM
Lew Rockwell is a purist. I agree that Gary Johnson is no Ron Paul. Ron Paul is no longer running for President or even elected office. Gary Johnson stances on the issues is far superior to Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Please do not be a purist or even act like the guy is the lesser of three evils. All you have to do is listen to the man from ten minutes to know he is ready and qualified to be President.

Lewis Rockwell is no purist. He was practically giddy at the prospect of a very anti liberty authoritarian getting the Republican nomination.

heavenlyboy34
08-13-2016, 05:57 PM
Lewis Rockwell is no purist. He was practically giddy at the prospect of a very anti liberty authoritarian getting the Republican nomination.

So was I. :D Immensely entertaining! I doubt this will destroy the GOP, but a fella can always dream...

Brian4Liberty
08-13-2016, 06:18 PM
Don't believe me? Look for yourself

https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/vote-johnsonweld/

The actual Editorial in question:


Editorial: The fall – and rise? – of moderate Republicans
Libertarian Presidential Candidate Speaks At University Of Utah In Salt Lake City

Editorial Board

Libertarianism has long been treated as a fringe ideology obsessed with the gold standard, legalization of hard drugs and "Atlas Shrugged." Ron Paul, who ran for president in the 2012 GOP primaries, was the archetype, calling for an end to Social Security and the Federal Reserve. But when Libertarian Party presidential nominee Gary Johnson extols fiscal responsibility and social tolerance, he brings to mind a different political tradition: that of moderate Republicans.

There was a time, not so long ago, when they dominated the GOP. Presidents Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford and George H.W. Bush sprang from this wing of the party. So, arguably, did George W. Bush, along with nominees such as Bob Dole, John McCain and Mitt Romney.

But the party has moved steadily to the right recently. Rank-and-file GOP voters grew significantly more conservative in the first decade of this century. It's a measure of how conservative House Republicans have become that Speaker Paul Ryan, once a tea party hero, is now viewed with distrust by many in his caucus.

That growing tilt leaves an electoral opening for a candidate who thinks the government shouldn't meddle too much in either markets [LOL- B4L] or morals. Hillary Clinton isn't interested in occupying it. So Johnson, who is averaging 9 percent support in the RealClearPolitics average of four-way polls that include him and Green Party nominee Jill Stein, has that niche to himself.

Illinois, of course, used to be the natural habitat of moderate Republicans, producing governors such as Jim Thompson and Jim Edgar and senators such as Everett Dirksen and Charles Percy. Bruce Rauner and Mark Kirk fit the basic template, stressing the usual GOP support for free markets and fiscal conservatism while charting a less conservative course on abortion rights and same-sex marriage.

If Kirk loses his re-election bid, it won't be because voters regard him as too moderate but because Democrat Tammy Duckworth succeeds in tying him to his party's presidential nominee — whom Kirk has repudiated. At one time, Donald Trump might have passed as a GOP centrist. But in this campaign, he has exploited themes with a harsh conservative edge — such as building a border wall, massively bombing the Islamic State, renegotiating trade agreements and restoring "law and order."

In Kansas, long solidly Republican, moderates are rebounding, thanks to the unpopularity of conservative Gov. Sam Brownback. In the Aug. 2 legislative primary, moderates defeated incumbent Brownback allies in more than a dozen races. U.S. Rep. Tim Huelskamp, a tea party stalwart, also got evicted.

Since 2012, the share of Republicans who say they are economically and socially conservative has shrunk from 57 percent to 42 percent. But the national party's message hasn't caught up with that trend.

If Trump loses — and particularly if he loses big — moderates may find themselves taken more seriously in Congress and the party. Many Republicans are probably already wondering how much brighter their electoral prospects would be with, say, John Kasich of Ohio atop the ballot in November.

Victories by senators who have clashed with Trump — such as Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, Rob Portman of Ohio, as well as Kirk and McCain — would give them more influence on the GOP's direction. A strong showing by Libertarian Johnson would encourage Republicans to adopt at least some of his ideas. And voter frustration with gridlock may aid lawmakers who don't treat compromise as a crime.

Pragmatic, centrist Republicans have largely vanished from the American political scene. But their absence leaves a vacuum that begs to be filled.
...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-moderate-republican-libertarian-trump-johnson-bush-0813-md-20160811-story.html

So there we have a load of crap. We need more Bush, McCain and Ayotte because Trump says he will bomb the Islamic State. Ah, the moderate and peaceful neoconservatives, always pushing for compromise. And these moderates are such fiscal conservatives and don't want the government to "meddle" in markets. If it wasn't for those hard-right Tea Party types that want more spending and government regulated trade, it would be paradise under global neoconservative freedom.

These people have no shame. Up is down, down is up. 2 + 2 = 5. War is peace. And the Ministry of Truth never lies.