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Anti Federalist
08-06-2016, 11:37 AM
Cops could soon ticket you for drinking a coffee while driving in N.J.

http://www.nj.com/traffic/index.ssf/2016/08/cops_could_soon_ticket_you_in_nj_for_drinking_a_co ffee_while_driving.html

August 05, 2016 at 9:01 AM, updated August 05, 2016 at 5:31 PM

Put down the coffee, bagel or hairbrush and drive! Or else!

A bill winding its way through Trenton would impose stiff fines and even a possible license suspension for drivers who eat, drink, groom, read or use electronic devices behind the wheel.

Violators could face a $200 to $400 fine for the first offense and a $400 to $600 fine for a second offense. A third or subsequent offense could mean a fine of $600 to $800 and up to a 90 day license suspension, as well as motor vehicle points.

The sponsors of the bill, Assemblyman John Wisniewski, D- Middlesex and Nicholas Chiaravalloti, D-Hudson, said it is modeled after a law in Maine and is intended to educate, not punish drivers.

"The issue is that we need to try, in every way, to discourage distracted driving, it's dangerous," Wisniewski said. "Education and enforcement can change the attitudes of people."

Some experts say that motorists must be discouraged from multitasking while driving. Others say the bill is an overreach and questioned how police could enforce it.

"This proposed distracted driving law is not needed, since three statutes can be used when a distraction causes unsafe actions, like swerving or crossing a line," said Steve Carrellas, policy and government affairs director for the National Motorists Association state chapter. "There is unsafe driving, careless driving and reckless driving."

Supporters of the bill must come to terms with the fact that a certain level of multitasking by drivers is a reality, Carrellas said.

"Would [the bill] make changing the radio station or adjusting the volume illegal? What about talking to a passenger?" Carrellas asked.

Arnold Anderson, the Essex County Community Traffic Safety Program coordinator, said its imperative that motorists break the habit of doing more than one thing while driving.

"You've got to get people out of the mindset of multitasking," said Arnold Anderson, " You can't multitask. We are so far away from the mindset of ... just drive."

Officials from AAA said that a distraction law would be hard to enforce since an officer would have to observe how the driver was distracted, but also that the bill may have a higher purpose.

"The legislation introduced by Assemblyman Wisniewski, while admirable in theory, may not help police enforce the law," said Tracy Noble, AAA Mid-Atlantic spokeswoman.

But a distraction law could have a similar effect as seat belt laws, which Noble and Anderson credited for increasing seat belt use in the state, even without fines.

"The more widespread the message of eliminating distractions becomes, the more likely it is to be ingrained in everyday behavior, similar to seat belt usage," Noble said.

Currently, New Jersey has laws banning the use of hand-held cell phones and texting while driving, but no prohibitions of other behavior that is considered distracting, according to the state Division of Highway Traffic Safety.

Lindsey
08-06-2016, 11:45 AM
Another reason for them to pull you over...

(Although, I'd rather people not drive distracted.)

William Tell
08-06-2016, 11:46 AM
Put down the coffee, bagel or hairbrush and drive! Or else!.
But not doughnut, eh?

Anti Federalist
08-06-2016, 11:46 AM
Another reason for them to pull you over...

(Although, I'd rather people not drive distracted.)

From the comments.

rightswereviolated
12 hours ago

@2sickofit municipalities have sillier rules. No one believes me but I have the ticket framed. I was pulled over in marlboro at a safety check by the fire house on rte 79. They ticketed me for having a tool box in the back hatch area without a commercial license plate. Mandatory court in that big barn. 20 other people with the same problem. all going to work with their tools. Judge said its the law. $250.00 fine

Anti Federalist
08-06-2016, 11:49 AM
But not doughnut, eh?

UberMensch do not get distracted.

Move along now maggot.

http://www.autospies.com/images/users/Agent009/main/disteracted%20driving%20cops.jpg

Dr.3D
08-06-2016, 11:54 AM
If they don't want people to be distracted, they should get the police off the road. They distract people more than anything.

luctor-et-emergo
08-06-2016, 12:19 PM
A bill winding its way through Trenton would impose stiff fines and even a possible license suspension for drivers who eat, drink, groom, read or use electronic devices behind the wheel.

I always eat and drink in the car.. Very convenient.
Screw this law.

phill4paul
08-06-2016, 12:25 PM
So, must there actually be evidence or is this another "because the officer says so, therefore it must be true" law?

Suzanimal
08-06-2016, 12:29 PM
Seeing a cop distracts me - take 'em off the road.

luctor-et-emergo
08-06-2016, 12:50 PM
Seeing a cop distracts me - take 'em off the road.

I've had fun with cops... They aren't allowed to speed without their lights. So whenever there's one speeding with no lights I'll drive behind them at the same speed. Haven't been pulled over for it yet. :D If they'd pull me over I'd tell that story and 9/10 they'd laugh and let me leave without a ticket... Compared to you guys, I should love cops.

Suzanimal
08-06-2016, 01:09 PM
If they don't want people to be distracted, they should get the police off the road. They distract people more than anything.


Seeing a cop distracts me - take 'em off the road.

:o

Sorry, Doc. I was drinking coffee - I'm a distracted poster.

devil21
08-06-2016, 01:21 PM
There's an easy and legal process to get out of stupid citations like this (or any citation). PM me if you'd like to know how.

pcosmar
08-06-2016, 01:43 PM
Another reason for them to pull you over...

(Although, I'd rather people not drive distracted.)

Like flashing lights, loud sirens, and the threat of death are not distracting enough. :rolleyes:

tod evans
08-06-2016, 01:55 PM
Is there an up side to the state of NJ?

I've never been, don't plan on ever going, but what I read makes me wonder why people choose to live there....

Anti Federalist
08-06-2016, 02:12 PM
Is there an up side to the state of NJ?

I've never been, don't plan on ever going, but what I read makes me wonder why people choose to live there....

Was born and raised there...there are some nice areas and things to do, but I'll never go back.

Many millions do not live there anymore.

Just anybody in Florida...or North Carolina.

oyarde
08-06-2016, 02:31 PM
I drink coffee every day while driving .

Occam's Banana
08-06-2016, 03:46 PM
Cops could soon ticket you for drinking a coffee while driving in N.J.

[...]

Violators could face a $200 to $400 fine for the first offense and a $400 to $600 fine for a second offense. A third or subsequent offense could mean a fine of $600 to $800 and up to a 90 day license suspension, as well as motor vehicle points.

The sponsors of the bill, Assemblyman John Wisniewski, D-Middlesex and Nicholas Chiaravalloti, D-Hudson, said it is modeled after a law in Maine and is intended to educate, not punish drivers.

[...]


Sorry, what did they say again?

I couldn't hear them over the sound of *ka-ching!* *ka-ching!* *ka-ching!* ...


http://i.imgur.com/ekzmehH.png


http://i.imgur.com/ZNUaIod.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/iBPC7DW.jpg

Origanalist
08-06-2016, 04:37 PM
I've had fun with cops... They aren't allowed to speed without their lights. So whenever there's one speeding with no lights I'll drive behind them at the same speed. Haven't been pulled over for it yet. :D If they'd pull me over I'd tell that story and 9/10 they'd laugh and let me leave without a ticket... Compared to you guys, I should love cops.

Probably not a good idea here in the States.

specsaregood
08-06-2016, 04:46 PM
Is there an up side to the state of NJ?

I've never been, don't plan on ever going, but what I read makes me wonder why people choose to live there....

The tomatoes are pretty darn good, just made a gallon of nj tomato sauce last night.

TheTexan
08-06-2016, 05:03 PM
From the comments.

rightswereviolated
12 hours ago

@2sickofit municipalities have sillier rules. No one believes me but I have the ticket framed. I was pulled over in marlboro at a safety check by the fire house on rte 79. They ticketed me for having a tool box in the back hatch area without a commercial license plate. Mandatory court in that big barn. 20 other people with the same problem. all going to work with their tools. Judge said its the law. $250.00 fine

Picture, or it didn't happen

presence
08-06-2016, 05:56 PM
#bancupholders

phill4paul
08-06-2016, 06:56 PM
Probably not a good idea here in the States.

Mileage may vary....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spyHV5ldd2c

TheTexan
08-06-2016, 07:12 PM
Mileage may vary....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spyHV5ldd2c

Does that guy really have nothing better to do,, than to pull over an innocent Officer who was obviously capable of driving safely at that speed ??

The Officer should have arrested him,, for wasting his time and our tax dollars.

Makes me sick.

Anti Federalist
08-06-2016, 07:50 PM
Does that guy really have nothing better to do,, than to pull over an innocent Officer who was obviously capable of driving safely at that speed ??

The Officer should have arrested him,, for wasting his time and our tax dollars.

Makes me sick.

Pfft...just got back in...almost got t-boned by an asshole cop going 100+ to chase down a "speeder".

Danke
08-06-2016, 07:54 PM
I drink coffee every day while driving .

Reservations are Lawless.

Danke
08-06-2016, 07:55 PM
Seeing a cop distracts me - take 'em off the road.

Shameful, you are a married woman now

phill4paul
08-06-2016, 08:05 PM
Reservations are Lawless.

Not really...


The United States' impoverished tribes cannot buy or sell reservation land. Changing federal policy could improve their fortunes.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/native-americans-property-rights/492941/

4_God_N_Country
08-06-2016, 08:08 PM
How does Starbucks feel?

Danke
08-06-2016, 08:10 PM
Not really...



http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/native-americans-property-rights/492941/

Things of gotten a little better since we let them have casinos. I still remember in my youth how dangerous they were.

heavenlyboy34
08-06-2016, 08:32 PM
Things of gotten a little better since we let them have casinos. I still remember in my youth how dangerous they were.

Did you know anyone who got scalped by the injuns?

TheTexan
08-06-2016, 08:34 PM
cop going 100+ to chase down a "speeder".

such a brave Hero

oyarde
08-06-2016, 08:36 PM
Reservations are Lawless.

I do that on I 65

Danke
08-06-2016, 08:53 PM
Did you know anyone who got scalped by the injuns?

Have you read the history books?

Luckily my family was warned when we were travelling through North Dakota in the early 70's or I might not be alive today. The Indians were restless.

heavenlyboy34
08-06-2016, 08:57 PM
Have you read the history books?

Luckily my family was warned when we were travelling through North Dakota in the early 70's or I might not be alive today. The Indians were restless.
Yup, I did. I was just curious about you specifically. Nobody in my clan was ever scalped, AFAIK.

Danke
08-06-2016, 08:59 PM
Yup, I did. I was just curious about you specifically. Nobody in my clan was ever scalped, AFAIK.

My clan refuse to bow down and suck the red mans' dick. Big difference..

Suzanimal
08-06-2016, 09:16 PM
Shameful, you are a married woman now

Never had a cop fetish.

Danke
08-06-2016, 09:23 PM
Never had a cop fetish.

O.k. One fetish you don't have.

Suzanimal
08-06-2016, 09:27 PM
O.k. One fetish you don't have.

I don't like having my feet touched, either -especially my toes. That's just nasty. Plus, I'm very ticklish. I can barely stand to touch them myself when I'm painting them. *shudders*

Danke
08-06-2016, 09:31 PM
I don't like having my feet touched, either -especially my toes. That's just nasty. Plus, I'm very ticklish. I can barely stand to touch them myself when I'm painting them. *shudders*

Ok. We are finally narrowing your fetishes. What are we up to? Two?

Suzanimal
08-06-2016, 09:33 PM
Ok. We are finally narrowing your fetishes. What are we up to? Two?

Also, not a fan of manscaping. It's kinda gay. That's about it.

Danke
08-06-2016, 09:36 PM
Also, not a fan of manscaping. It's kinda gay. That's about it.

Had to look that up. Could you just limit this talk to PMs with HB?

phill4paul
08-06-2016, 10:01 PM
Also, not a fan of manscaping. It's kinda gay. That's about it.

God gifted me with perfect man-hair. Who am I to fuck with the designers design?

Anti Federalist
08-08-2016, 10:56 AM
A New Excuse to Harrass and Collect

http://ericpetersautos.com/2016/08/08/new-excuse-harrass-collect/

by eric • August 8, 2016

Orwell described things that seemed a bit much in his novel, 1984. Like, as a for-instance, the Telescreen-prompted mandatory morning calisthenics – physical jerks – the novel’s main character, Winston Smith, was forced to endure each day.

Well, things that seemed a bit much when I read this book back in high school – back in the ‘80s – have become our Loving Big Brother reality.

Like this, for instance:

The state of New Jersey – arguably, the California of the east coast as far as regulatory idiocy goes (this is the state in which you are not allowed to pump your own gas) is on the verge of passing what would be the most idiotic “distracted driving” law in the country.

The legislation – see here – defines “distracted driving” as “any activity unrelated to the actual operation of a motor vehicle in a manner that interferes with the safe operation of the vehicle.”

Italics added.

This to be defined by the New Jersey State Police (and other police) who literally wear uniforms that – excepting the lightning bolt insignia on the collar – look like they were designed by Hugo Boss for Heinrich Himmler’s minions.

It could be drinking a cup of coffee. Eating. Almost anything – literally. Hands not at “10” and “2” – both eyes (in the opinion of a cop) not firmly fixed on the road ahead?

Distracted driving!

“The issue is that we need to try, in every way, to discourage distracted driving, it’s dangerous,” Assemblyman John Wisniewski, a Democrat in Central Jersey, who sponsored the bill, told The Star-Ledger. “Education and enforcement can change the attitudes of people.”

Javol, Herr Standartenfuhrer!

It’s even worse than “drunk” driving laws, which at least have a specific – objective – measure defining the offense. Your BAC level is either over or under the threshold. It is not up to the cop’s opinion.

But “distracted” driving would be.

The bill is onerous – and tyrannical – on many levels. In addition to criminalizing yet another category of non-harmful actions, it also gives cops a pretext to stop any car, at any time. All a cop need do to justify the stop – and whatever happens subsequent to the stop – is claim he witnessed “distracted” driving.

This is a very important legal point.

Excepting the egregious random/dragnet-style “safety” and “drunk driving” checkpoints we’re forced to occasionally deal with, in other cases, a cop must have probable cause – some specific, tangible reason that can be substantiated later on, in court, to justify initiating the pull-over. You have a dead inspection sticker, a burned out brake light. You’ve committed a moving violation of some kind.

Something like that.

But provided you do not have a dead sticker or a burned out brake light and have not committed some specific traffic violation (e.g., failing to come to a complete stop, turning right on red where not allowed) the cop can’t – legally – pull you over. And if he does so regardless, you have a defense, legally speaking, when the matter goes to court. Not just for the initial stop but for whatever occurs subsequently. If the initial stop was not legally defensible, it is possible all charges stemming from the stop will be dropped. This is the “fruit of the poisoned tree” doctrine.

But with the “tool” of an offense so vaguely defined as “distracted” driving – which could be defined by the cop as you glancing at him momentarily (you took your eyes off the road!) or any of a dozen different things, he can no pull you over at will. And go fishing. And even if he doesn’t find anything, you’re not going home empty-handed.

The proposed legislation lists fines starting at $200-$400 for the “first offense,” graduating to $400-$600 for the second, ascending from there to $600-$800 and a three month suspension of one’s privilege to drive.

All at the discretion of a costumed and heavily armed state thug whose job is to extract as much money from our hides as possible.

How would one defend oneself against a cop’s claim that he “saw us look away” from the straight ahead? Or “glanced down” to change the radio station?

And is it really “distracted” driving to sip coffee behind the wheel?

The only upside to this business is that it may be Too Much and Too Soon – like Virginia’s equally over-the-top “aggressive driving” statutes (written by a state lawmaker who just happened to be a lawyer whose area of law just happened to be providing high-cost legal assistance to drivers charged with “aggressive driving”) that hit people with four figure fines for simple speeding and other such “offenses.”

It was repealed on a tsunami of public outrage and – hopefully – the same will happen to this New Jersey awfulness.

Anti Federalist
08-08-2016, 10:57 AM
Never had a cop fetish.

Thank God for that...

tod evans
08-08-2016, 10:59 AM
The legislation – see here – defines “distracted driving” as “any activity unrelated to the actual operation of a motor vehicle in a manner that interferes with the safe operation of the vehicle.”

In the case of the henpecked driver who gets cited?

dean.engelhardt
08-08-2016, 11:09 AM
NJ is a major policing for profit state. Couple years ago the created a moving violation for non-restrained pets in a vehicle. They have another law against lingering in a passing lane. Christie is a disgrace. He should be vetoing all these new laws. Instead he just looks at all the fines he can collect.

oyarde
08-08-2016, 11:53 AM
Did you know anyone who got scalped by the injuns?
Yes , I do , LOL

FyreLyon
08-09-2016, 11:37 AM
NJ is a major policing for profit state. Couple years ago the created a moving violation for non-restrained pets in a vehicle. They have another law against lingering in a passing lane. Christie is a disgrace. He should be vetoing all these new laws. Instead he just looks at all the fines he can collect.
Last time I checked, Christie was the US Attorney for New Jersey during the Bush years so I'm not surprised he's biased towards heavy-handed policing. It's virtually impossible to win a Republican primary for any office in NY/NJ without cranking the law and order rhetoric up to 11.

DamianTV
08-09-2016, 04:54 PM
Drinking coffee is no more a distraction than changing the radio by feeling it. What is a true distraction is thought provoking actions. This includes both constantly scanning for the presence of cops and THINKING with a high degree of focus. Try doing complex math shit right now. Figure out in your head what 63 * 25 is. No calculators, just do it. Now, while you were doing that, were you aware of absolutely anything else that was going on around you? You could only be vaguely aware, which is where the risk in driving actually comes from. Point being, if youre going to drive, focus on driving, not on other shit.

And this law will have absolutely nothing to do with Public Safety. If it did, they would try to ban THINKING period. Of course, they would also ban changing the radio stations / cd / music, talking period, so no passengers, picking of ones nose, putting on makeup, texting, talking on the phone even on hands free, smoking, and any other driving ritual that most people have. No, this is, as usual, a means by which they intend to increase their revenue stream, and of course, they will be taking that revenue from those who can least afford it.

AF has already done an outstanding job of making sure people here know damn good and well that we have absolutely no reasonable expectation of police being there to protect you. They arent. They exist to keep you obedient to the rich and powerful, and to protect the methods by which the rich and powerful have become that way.

True innocence is no longer a legitimate defense against the abuses of the law.

heavenlyboy34
08-09-2016, 05:54 PM
My clan refuse to bow down and suck the red mans' dick. Big difference..

Yes, I've heard tales of how your people manage to position yourselves so as to stand while sucking the red man's dick. :eek:

heavenlyboy34
08-09-2016, 05:55 PM
Yes , I do , LOL:D I can't wait to hear the story behind that, uncle Oyarde! :D

Danke
08-09-2016, 07:32 PM
Yes, I've heard tales of how your people manage to position yourselves so as to stand while sucking the red man's dick. :eek:

I am not going to respond to your fantasies.