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qh4dotcom
07-27-2016, 09:06 PM
http://www.aol.com/article/2016/07/27/marvin-bush-endorses-gary-johnson/21440156/

Suzanimal
07-27-2016, 09:09 PM
Marvin is just the latest member of the legendary political family to speak out against Trump. George W. Bush was quoted by Politico as saying he was worried he "will be the last Republican president."
:rolleyes:
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Jeb, who was at one point the favorite to secure the Republican nomination, repeatedly clashed with the outspoken billionaire during the campaign. He recently revealed that he won't vote for either Trump or rival Hillary Clinton, saying he doesn't believe either candidate would uphold the Constitution.

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/07/2...nson/21440156/

hells_unicorn
07-27-2016, 09:10 PM
This is kind of curious, he appears to be the least politically active of the Bushes. I can't say I'd be surprised if some folks connected to the Bushes decide to support Johnson, he is kind of talking like a moderate Republican this time around anyway.

69360
07-27-2016, 09:50 PM
I'd guess this is some sort of back channel endorsement from the whole Bush clan.

jbauer
07-28-2016, 09:33 AM
A Bush endorsing Johnson is the best reason I've heard yet to not vote for Johnson.

Lovecraftian4Paul
07-28-2016, 10:51 AM
Lol at the Bushes endorsing a guy who campaigns in a peace t-shirt. The only reason Johnson is getting this endorsement is because Trump busted Jeb's balls debate after debate until he became a national disgrace. There's no similarity whatsoever on the issues, whatever kind of libertarian Gary is or isn't.

dannno
07-28-2016, 12:05 PM
This is kind of curious, he appears to be the least politically active of the Bushes. I can't say I'd be surprised if some folks connected to the Bushes decide to support Johnson, he is kind of talking like a moderate Republican this time around anyway.

Marvin is the least politically active on the front-side (the showman aspect of politics), but recall that he was on the board of directors for the security company that did security for the WTC complex, Dulles Airport and American Airlines before 9/11. The security company would have helped clear the workers on the elevator shafts to plant the nano-thermite explosives and they would have been responsible for the flight drills and allowing the terrorists into secured areas on the day of the attacks.

adissa
07-28-2016, 12:45 PM
http://www.aol.com/article/2016/07/27/marvin-bush-endorses-gary-johnson/21440156/
this should tell anyone all they need to know about how libertarian Gary johnson is. The LP just crashed and burned.

CaptUSA
07-28-2016, 01:20 PM
this should tell anyone all they need to know about how libertarian Gary johnson is. The LP just crashed and burned.

Lol. Gotta love the Trumpsters complaining that Johnson isn't libertarian enough. :rolleyes:


I mean, I'm not a big fan of Johnson, but come on.

LatinsforPaul
07-28-2016, 02:01 PM
this should tell anyone all they need to know about how libertarian Gary johnson is. The LP just crashed and burned.

We know who Gary Johnson is already, 10 times better than Trump and Hillary. ;)

hells_unicorn
07-28-2016, 03:36 PM
Lol. Gotta love the Trumpsters complaining that Johnson isn't libertarian enough. :rolleyes:

I mean, I'm not a big fan of Johnson, but come on.

You're not concerned about the sudden love between the Bushes and Johnson? I am, and I was planning on not voting at all before I heard about this.

Spikender
07-28-2016, 03:43 PM
Johnson is a weak ass libertarian and he'd still be ten times better than Killary or Trump. It's the hard truth that we have to swallow.

r3volution 3.0
07-28-2016, 04:24 PM
There's very little if any ideological common ground between them.

So I'd assume that this is the Bushes trying to resuscitate their public image by distancing themselves from the impending Trumptastrophe.

If there were any chance of Johnson actually winning, there is 0% chance they'd be supporting him.

Christian Liberty
07-28-2016, 06:18 PM
You're not concerned about the sudden love between the Bushes and Johnson? I am, and I was planning on not voting at all before I heard about this.

Johnson is terrible, but I am curious, why does this concern you? I'm not thinking of any realistic scenario in which Gary Johnson actually takes the election, so why does it matter?

Also you should probably stick with not voting or write someone in ;)

NewRightLibertarian
07-28-2016, 06:35 PM
This is what selling out looks like.

Natural Citizen
07-28-2016, 06:39 PM
Meh. I'll just leave my thought from the other thread here. Saves typing...


Well. The 2014 Mid-Term results were a clear indication that people were rejecting the two-party system. We saw numbers that we haven't seen in modern history. It would be foolish to assume that the establishment didn't notice it and that they wouldn't react to it. Seems like we're starting to see the two-party system that traditionally functioned as a single party moving toward a single party functioning as three. It's certainly no surprise to see Bush and other establishment folks/entities suddenly looking to endorse or promote the (L)ibertarian Party. The more principled Constitution Party Candidates certainly haven't received any mention at all. Which is also indicative.

Certainly I'm not making a claim that this is decisively what is happening. It's just what I personally think is happening.

hells_unicorn
07-28-2016, 11:35 PM
Johnson is terrible, but I am curious, why does this concern you? I'm not thinking of any realistic scenario in which Gary Johnson actually takes the election, so why does it matter?

Also you should probably stick with not voting or write someone in ;)

Because he may well have an impact on who ends up winning, and as I live here, it has a direct impact on me. Refusing to vote because of a fatally flawed system is one thing, pretending like that system has no impact on people living here and acting like an Amish person is quite another.

I didn't say I was going to vote in this election anyway, I was saying that this decision was made BEFORE I found out that Gary Johnson has courted the Neo-con vote successfully (or more likely it has courted him).

TheTexan
07-28-2016, 11:58 PM
Jeb, who was at one point the favorite to secure the Republican nomination, repeatedly clashed with the outspoken billionaire during the campaign. He recently revealed that he won't vote for either Trump or rival Hillary Clinton, saying he doesn't believe either candidate would uphold the Constitution.

Yes,, its true,, Jeb! like his brother GWB is a big proponent of upholding the Constutition which is one, of many reasons i liked him

TheTexan
07-29-2016, 12:01 AM
There's very little if any ideological common ground between them.

So I'd assume that this is the Bushes trying to resuscitate their public image by distancing themselves from the impending Trumptastrophe.

If there were any chance of Johnson actually winning, there is 0% chance they'd be supporting him.

RE: your sig

Multi Billionaire? YES LOL LOL

RJ Liberty
07-29-2016, 12:34 AM
There's very little if any ideological common ground between them.

So I'd assume that this is the Bushes trying to resuscitate their public image by distancing themselves from the impending Trumptastrophe.


I like the word 'Trumptastrophe'. (I'd like it better if it wasn't so likely to become a reality.)

The Bushes may be trying to resuscitate their image, but I also think this is revenge for Trump humiliating JEB! repeatedly. (That was pretty sweet, actually. By the end, JEB! was begging for applause in half-filled meeting rooms).

osan
07-29-2016, 06:10 AM
http://www.aol.com/article/2016/07/27/marvin-bush-endorses-gary-johnson/21440156/

Attempt to split the Repub. vote. FAIL, I suspect.

This isn't even artful. FAIL^2

osan
07-29-2016, 06:24 AM
You're not concerned about the sudden love between the Bushes and Johnson? I am, and I was planning on not voting at all before I heard about this.

What love? Has Johnson reciprocated?

This is probably all a flimsy strategy to defeat Trump.

Trump is either what he appears, or he is part of the Grand Dog And Pony Show (GDAPS). If the latter, we are all fucked. If not, then the shows of animosity are likely real. If real, then Theye are truly vexed by the prospect of his ascension and will try what they can to stifle him. Trotting out yet another Bush with so pathetic an endorsement for Johnson is likely nothing more than a flaccidly desperate attempt at splitting the non-Hillary camp.

luctor-et-emergo
07-29-2016, 08:08 AM
Johnson is a weak ass libertarian and he'd still be ten times better than Killary or Trump. It's the hard truth that we have to swallow.

I'm probably the only one here who thinks Jeb is kind of a decent guy*?

Origanalist
07-29-2016, 08:20 AM
I'm probably the only one here who thinks Jeb is kind of a decent guy*?

Probably.

luctor-et-emergo
07-29-2016, 08:21 AM
Probably.

Not saying I agree with all of his policy positions but he's a pretty decent human being (for a politician).

Origanalist
07-29-2016, 08:39 AM
Not saying I agree with all of his policy positions but he's a pretty decent human being (for a politician).

I remember when his brother seemed that way too. :(

luctor-et-emergo
07-29-2016, 08:41 AM
I remember when his brother seemed that way too. :(

Well... Compared to the mess right now, Obama as president and either Clinton or Trump as the next one.... GW as president doesn't sound too bad.. Does it ?

Christian Liberty
07-29-2016, 09:00 AM
Because he may well have an impact on who ends up winning, and as I live here, it has a direct impact on me. Refusing to vote because of a fatally flawed system is one thing, pretending like that system has no impact on people living here and acting like an Amish person is quite another.

I certainly agree. My point was more that Johnson cant win, and thus I don't see how Bushes supporting him matters. That said if you disagree with me and you think Johnson can win, that would make more sense. I think Johnson may do the best a third party has done since Perot, but I don't think he can win.


I didn't say I was going to vote in this election anyway, I was saying that this decision was made BEFORE I found out that Gary Johnson has courted the Neo-con vote successfully (or more likely it has courted him).
My mistake, I thought you meant that you were going to vote because of this. Thank you

LibertyEagle
07-29-2016, 09:51 AM
I certainly agree. My point was more that Johnson cant win, and thus I don't see how Bushes supporting him matters.
Tell me, why do you think the Bushes are supporting him? What do you think they have to gain from doing so?

nikcers
07-29-2016, 01:38 PM
Tell me, why do you think the Bushes are supporting him? What do you think they have to gain from doing so?

Anyone who knows anything knows that Cheney was the mastermind behind the Bush Administration. Why do you think he is supporting Trump?

69360
07-29-2016, 03:30 PM
I'm probably the only one here who thinks Jeb is kind of a decent guy*?

Meh, he's ok I suppose.


Well... Compared to the mess right now, Obama as president and either Clinton or Trump as the next one.... GW as president doesn't sound too bad.. Does it ?

Honestly any of the 3 Bushes are preferable to me over Obama Clinton and Trump.

If poppy had killed Sadam in the first gulf war like he wanted to and not listened to Colin Powell then W didn't go back in and cause that clusterfuck, the Bushes would be held in esteem now.

69360
07-29-2016, 03:35 PM
I certainly agree. My point was more that Johnson cant win, and thus I don't see how Bushes supporting him matters. That said if you disagree with me and you think Johnson can win, that would make more sense. I think Johnson may do the best a third party has done since Perot, but I don't think he can win.

My mistake, I thought you meant that you were going to vote because of this. Thank you

I don't think Johnson can win. Maybe 1000 to 1 odds. If somehow the electoral college gets hung he probably wins.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/dc/dc2fd6da2c741a3b2f6ae5fcf700e06fafe43267ea27157911 8ef4292ffb25c6.jpg

Nighthawkeye
07-29-2016, 05:55 PM
While Johnson is not likely to win, the biggest thing holding him back in the polls and winning is the perception he can't win. Elections can have a rolling snowball effect though. If he can make and force his way into debates, and numbers keep creeping up there is a point where more and more think you know its possible and they jump over from voting to keep someone out to who they support more. Alot of the people supporting Trump are people who just despise Hillary more and vice versa. A lot of those people will stay that way unless they perceive Johnson with a chance. I do think there is enough of that group out their for Johnson to win, it just amounts to can he get that snowball rolling. Otherwise if he don't make debates his numbers will start dropping back down and will be lucky to get a few percentage let alone 5%. The D/R's know this as well and will do their best to keep him out of debates and National attention, as this is the only way to reach a large section of America specially older generations who tend to vote more religiously than younger individuals.

RonPaulGeorge&Ringo
07-29-2016, 07:17 PM
Marvin Bush killed his maid.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/101003_bush_death.html

Christian Liberty
07-29-2016, 07:46 PM
I don't think Johnson can win. Maybe 1000 to 1 odds. If somehow the electoral college gets hung he probably wins.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/dc/dc2fd6da2c741a3b2f6ae5fcf700e06fafe43267ea27157911 8ef4292ffb25c6.jpg

Even then I have a hard time imagining it.

That said I kind of hope it happens. Not because I particularly like Johnson (though if we're playing the "lesser of three evils" game it probably is him) but because it would kill a lot of bad political orthodoxy.

Christian Liberty
07-29-2016, 07:47 PM
Tell me, why do you think the Bushes are supporting him? What do you think they have to gain from doing so?

My guess is they just hate Trump, though its surprising to me that they hate Trump that much

Natural Citizen
07-29-2016, 07:51 PM
I kind of hope it happens. Not because I particularly like Johnson ...but because it would kill a lot of bad political orthodoxy.

What particularly bad political orthodoxy would a johnson presidency kill? That's an interesting claim. Explain, please. Thank You.

euphemia
07-29-2016, 08:07 PM
Maybe it's a conspiracy.

RonPaulGeorge&Ringo
07-30-2016, 10:15 PM
Marvin is the least politically active on the front-side (the showman aspect of politics), but recall that he was on the board of directors for the security company that did security for the WTC complex, Dulles Airport and American Airlines before 9/11.

Good points.


the nano-thermite

The nano-thermite theory of the crime is nonsense. It is a disinformation op put out there by the Mormon terrorists who disintegrated the World Trade Center with high-tech weaponry developed by the military-intelligence-industrial complex.