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CaseyJones
07-22-2016, 09:03 AM
Rep. Thomas Massie supported Rand Paul in the primary and is considered a star for the "liberty movement." I spoke with him at the Republican National Convention. Here's some of our conversation:

How do you plan on voting in November?

I'll be voting for Trump. ... I'm more of a "glass is half-full" than a "glass is half-empty" kind of person.

In what ways is Trump half-full?

Well, he's better than 90 percent of the congressmen I serve with. ... I'm serious.

No. 1, he's not owned. Nobody owns him. That rules out a lot of them.

No. 2, he's got real business experience. If I see another candidate that runs as a small businessman that was a lawyer or a doctor that had, like, a personal practice, I'm gonna scream. Because they never had a board of directors, they never had a balance sheet, they never had marketing, they never had product development, I mean they never had a real business, per se.

He's done that, mutiple times.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/rep.-thomas-massie-trump-is-better-than-90-percent-of-the-congressmen-i-serve-with/article/2597331

sigh...

phill4paul
07-22-2016, 09:08 AM
sigh...

Indeed.

CaseyJones
07-22-2016, 09:10 AM
well to be fair Trump did very well in his district

Cleaner44
07-22-2016, 09:12 AM
Can't argue with that. Congress has set such a low bar that even a typical garage door repairman is better than 90% of corrupt turds we elect to... represent us?

CaptUSA
07-22-2016, 09:17 AM
Indeed.

indeed, indeed

AuH20
07-22-2016, 10:57 AM
Smart man and arguably the best congressman in the US.

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silverhandorder
07-22-2016, 10:57 AM
Oh please be true this would be hilarious.

AuH20
07-22-2016, 10:59 AM
Oh please be true this would be hilarious.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/rep.-thomas-massie-trump-is-better-than-90-percent-of-the-congressmen-i-serve-with/article/2597331


How do you plan on voting in November?

I'll be voting for Trump. ... I'm more of a "glass is half-full" than a "glass is half-empty" kind of person.

In what ways is Trump half-full?

Well, he's better than 90 percent of the congressmen I serve with. ... I'm serious.

No. 1, he's not owned. Nobody owns him. That rules out a lot of them.

No. 2, he's got real business experience. If I see another candidate that runs as a small businessman that was a lawyer or a doctor that had, like, a personal practice, I'm gonna scream. Because they never had a board of directors, they never had a balance sheet, they never had marketing, they never had product development, I mean they never had a real business, per se.

He's done that, mutiple times.

Do you think Trump could hurt the GOP and the cause of liberty?

He might be the only one of the 17 that ran in this primary that could win in the general election. Numerically, with the message we had, we were almost stillborn going into the general with the electoral map that exists. Trump has changed the map. Pennsylvania's in play. Michigan's in play.

Occam's Banana
07-22-2016, 11:59 AM
Thomas Massie Gives Glowing Endorsement To Trump


"Well, he's better than 90 percent of [this wretched hive of scum and villainy] ... I'm serious." -- Thomas Massie

You have a bizarre notion of what a "glowing" endorsement is ...

William Tell
07-22-2016, 12:35 PM
You have a bizarre notion of what a "glowing" endorsement is ...
I agree with the banana.

CaptUSA
07-22-2016, 12:37 PM
"Well, he's better than 90 percent of [this wretched hive of scum and villainy] ... I'm serious." -- Thomas Massie

You have a bizarre notion of what a "glowing" endorsement is ...

Oh come on...


I'm more of a "glass is half-full" than a "glass is half-empty" kind of person.


That's glowing! Absolutely radioactive!

Suzanimal
07-22-2016, 01:09 PM
Oh come on...



I'm more of a "glass is half-full" than a "glass is half-empty" kind of person.

That's glowing! Absolutely radioactive!

Depends on what's in the glass...

Origanalist
07-22-2016, 01:13 PM
I agree with the banana.

He's usually right, but he looks really weird.

Suzanimal
07-22-2016, 01:22 PM
He's usually right, but he looks really weird.

Not weird. There's something about a banana that I find appealing.

Brian4Liberty
07-22-2016, 01:22 PM
He might be the only one of the 17 that ran in this primary that could win in the general election. Numerically, with the message we had, we were almost stillborn going into the general with the electoral map that exists. Trump has changed the map. Pennsylvania's in play. Michigan's in play.

Probably right, Jeb would have been a guaranteed loser.

AuH20
07-22-2016, 01:27 PM
Probably right, Jeb would have been a guaranteed loser.

Rand would have problems in the Rust Belt as well. Trump may be the only one who could actually pull this off. His celebrity and blue collar policies placed these states into play.

Schifference
07-22-2016, 01:30 PM
Trump even has bankruptcy experience.

dannno
07-22-2016, 01:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8MO7fkZc5o

RonZeplin
07-22-2016, 02:28 PM
glass is half-full

Of Reince Priebus wizz!

TheTexan
07-22-2016, 02:36 PM
Massie is a true patriot,, this a Great endorsement

Tywysog Cymru
07-22-2016, 03:36 PM
Rand would have problems in the Rust Belt as well. Trump may be the only one who could actually pull this off. His celebrity and blue collar policies placed these states into play.

Rand could have easily won Indiana and Ohio against Hillary. Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania would be close.

cindy25
07-23-2016, 01:25 AM
Massie nailed it. I wish Rand and Amish had similar statements. Trump was my 2nd choice

timosman
07-23-2016, 03:16 AM
..

Occam's Banana
07-23-2016, 03:30 AM
He's usually right, but he looks really weird.

Hey!! Don't you call me that, dammit! :mad:

(Only "usually" right ... hmmph!! ...)

LibertyExtremist
07-25-2016, 12:17 PM
I guess I'm the only one who thinks his comments about small business people are pretty short-sighted. I'd argue that small business is where the true business is in this country. I'd take a small business person any day of the week over a corporate shill.

SilentBull
07-25-2016, 12:23 PM
Is this for real? Surprising.

William Tell
07-25-2016, 12:32 PM
I guess I'm the only one who thinks his comments about small business people are pretty short-sighted. I'd argue that small business is where the true business is in this country. I'd take a small business person any day of the week over a corporate shill.
His point was that he's sick of lawyers and doctors calling themselves small business men.

LibertyExtremist
07-25-2016, 01:27 PM
His point was that he's sick of lawyers and doctors calling themselves small business men.

I get the notion that big-time law partners for big firms and specialist doctors working for large hospitals not being small business folks, but a rural area lawyer or doctor with a small private/family practice is very much a small business.

Occam's Banana
07-25-2016, 01:50 PM
I guess I'm the only one who thinks his comments about small business people are pretty short-sighted. I'd argue that small business is where the true business is in this country. I'd take a small business person any day of the week over a corporate shill.

I had the same reaction immediately upon reading what he said - but then I realized that that is not at all what he actually meant.

In addition to what William Tell said ("he's sick of lawyers and doctors calling themselves small business men"), his point is that even though many in Congress might call themselves "businessmen" (for whatever reasons), they don't really have any idea what they are talking about - and thus, they don't have any real understanding of the implications and consequences of the legislation they pass. That is what he was trying to get at with his references to boards of directors, balance sheets, marketing, and product development as being elements of "real business."

Though he certainly could have said it better, I don't at all think he was dissing genuine "small businessmen" as not being "real businessmen" ...

dannno
07-25-2016, 01:59 PM
Oh no, does this mean Massie is going to lose his subforum :confused:

William Tell
07-25-2016, 03:07 PM
I get the notion that big-time law partners for big firms and specialist doctors working for large hospitals not being small business folks, but a rural area lawyer or doctor with a small private/family practice is very much a small business.

Well, I have seen multi millionaire car dealers call themselves small businessmen while running for office, and the voters were pissed off when they heard the truth, they felt lied to. I guess it can be debated where one stops being a small businessman. When I hear the term I think with emphasis on the small. And I think it's safe to say most voters are the same. The fact that we are having this discussion shows that Thomas could have worded it better, especially since most of us probably respect Trump even less than lawyers. :D

Massie is the best though, he deserves a pass or two every year imo.

phill4paul
07-25-2016, 03:11 PM
Massie is the best though, he deserves a pass or two every year imo.

Considering how well he has done he deserves one.

Lovecraftian4Paul
07-26-2016, 11:59 AM
Good on Massie.

LibertyEagle
07-26-2016, 12:08 PM
As I recall, he rather liked Trump's foreign policy speech too. So this doesn't surprise me one bit. :D

Nirvikalpa
07-27-2016, 09:55 AM
Not surprised. Done with him.

loveshiscountry
07-27-2016, 06:04 PM
Not surprised. Done with him.
Not surprised? Based on what? The way he votes? What a stupid comment. One of the top Representatives in Congress. A true friend of Liberty.

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SilentBull
07-28-2016, 06:39 AM
Not surprised. Done with him.

Let's not overreact. Massie is a great congressman. I may not agree with his logic on this, but he's one of the good ones. I can respect his decision.

angelatc
07-28-2016, 07:58 AM
And here we go. The opposite of perfect is not evil FFS.

CaseyJones
07-28-2016, 08:03 AM
And here we go. The opposite of perfect is not evil FFS.

I actually have always been suspicious of perfect

Brian4Liberty
07-28-2016, 09:21 AM
Thomas is one of the best.

Thomas knows how the system works, he has seen it from the inside. If you turn his statement around, he is saying that 90% of Congress is bought and paid for. Perhaps he believes that is the biggest problem with Congress.

As far as voting for Trump over Hillary, he is a Republican, so supporting the nominee after the decision has been finalized is expected. He represents others, mostly Republicans, so he's not as "free" as us mundanes to oppose his own Party. He is running for re-election.

If we use the glass analogy, Hillary is empty. Bought, paid for, and as corrupt as any candidate in history. She is the devil we know.

oyarde
07-28-2016, 10:40 AM
Massie is the future of Liberty .

Mikezelot
07-28-2016, 11:12 AM
I am not going to hold this against Massie like I didn't hold the Cruz endorsement against Amash. They are both fantastic congressman and we should be greatful of their service.

angelatc
07-28-2016, 09:04 PM
Thomas is one of the best.

Thomas knows how the system works, he has seen it from the inside. If you turn his statement around, he is saying that 90% of Congress is bought and paid for. Perhaps he believes that is the biggest problem with Congress.

As far as voting for Trump over Hillary, he is a Republican, so supporting the nominee after the decision has been finalized is expected. He represents others, mostly Republicans, so he's not as "free" as us mundanes to oppose his own Party. He is running for re-election.

If we use the glass analogy, Hillary is empty. Bought, paid for, and as corrupt as any candidate in history. She is the devil we know.

I thought about this all evening. Honestly, when he said he thought Trump was better than 90% of the people he works with, I had to respect that. He's right there in the belly of the beast. He knows the players far better than we ever will. We don't have to agree with him, but we are well served to respect his thoughts on the matter.

My husband is thinking seriously of voting Trump just because of this statement.

TheTexan
07-28-2016, 09:09 PM
I am not going to hold this against Massie like I didn't hold the Cruz endorsement against Amash. They are both fantastic congressman and we should be greatful of their service.

Yes, they are Great congressmen for sure

69360
07-29-2016, 03:41 PM
So who has dirt on Massie? You don't go from where he was to endorsing Trump without blackmail of some sort.

loveshiscountry
07-29-2016, 06:46 PM
So who has dirt on Massie? You don't go from where he was to endorsing Trump without blackmail of some sort.Based on what? You read his statement. We're supposed to better than boobus.

69360
07-29-2016, 09:04 PM
Based on what? You read his statement. We're supposed to better than boobus.

Exactly. We reject both, not choose the lesser of two evils. Massie did and it's out of line with his past record. Don't you question why?

CPUd
07-29-2016, 09:06 PM
Exactly. We reject both, not choose the lesser of two evils. Massie did and it's out of line with his past record. Don't you question why?

Well if he feels that way about 90% of the Congress, I'd say this is probably not the best time for him to be making enemies.

CPUd
07-29-2016, 09:08 PM
There is a GOP POTUS nominee who is even today going out there attacking other GOP. Massie's district could also have a lot of Trumpers, or at least party loyalists.

hells_unicorn
07-30-2016, 01:32 PM
Tsk tsk, the "liberty" gestapo appears to be at it again. :rolleyes:

Anybody ever consider the possibility that maybe Massie did this because he's a realist rather than a fanatical ideologue living in the land of make-believe?

loveshiscountry
07-30-2016, 08:05 PM
Exactly. We reject both, not choose the lesser of two evils. Massie did and it's out of line with his past record. Don't you question why?
He explained. I didn't look beyond that. And I didn't consider blackmail either.

Seraphim
07-31-2016, 06:52 PM
All he really said was that Trump is better then 90% of Congresscritters.

It's likely true.

It might be worth voting for Trump on the simple basis that Hitlery is a guaranteed atrocity for America (and the world). Trump may actually bring some redeeming value (no I don't like him as President...but even a sliver of decency is literally infinitely better then that vampire Clinton).

Voting the lesser of two evils should rarely be considered (I.e vote instead for the principled 3rd party like Ron Paul) BUT in this case a vote for Trump may be needed as a strategic effort to keep that vile woman away from the Oval Office.

This is not an endorsement for Trump - it's a desperate endorsement for anything but Clinton and only 1 man has a shot at winning.

CPUd
07-31-2016, 08:28 PM
All he really said was that Trump is better then 90% of Congresscritters.

It's likely true.

It might be worth voting for Trump on the simple basis that Hitlery is a guaranteed atrocity for America (and the world). Trump may actually bring some redeeming value (no I don't like him as President...but even a sliver of decency is literally infinitely better then that vampire Clinton).

Voting the lesser of two evils should rarely be considered (I.e vote instead for the principled 3rd party like Ron Paul) BUT in this case a vote for Trump may be needed as a strategic effort to keep that vile woman away from the Oval Office.

This is not an endorsement for Trump - it's a desperate endorsement for anything but Clinton and only 1 man has a shot at winning.

Voting against candidates is what allowed the govt to get into the position it is in now. I always believe people should vote for candidates.

Seraphim
07-31-2016, 08:36 PM
Voting against candidates is what allowed the govt to get into the position it is in now. I always believe people should vote for candidates.

from my original statement:

"Voting the lesser of two evils should rarely be considered (I.e vote instead for the principled 3rd party like Ron Paul) BUT in this case a vote for Trump may be needed as a strategic effort to keep that vile woman away from the Oval Office."

surf
08-01-2016, 12:00 AM
from my original statement:

"Voting the lesser of two evils should rarely be considered (I.e vote instead for the principled 3rd party like Ron Paul) BUT in this case a vote for Trump may be needed as a strategic effort to keep that vile woman away from the Oval Office."

saw something similar in my newspaper the other day Voting the lesser of two evils should rarely be considered (I.e vote instead for the principled 3rd party like Ron Paul) BUT in this case a vote for Clinton may be needed as a strategic effort to keep that vile man away from the Oval Office

i'm glad i'm not in your seat having to decide whether or not to drop most of my liberty principals and vote for someone widely regarded as evil w/little dick syndrome.http://www.boston.com/cars/newsandreviews/overdrive/2011/04/06/Donald-Trump-Indy-500-pace-car-Camaro.jpg

Seraphim
08-01-2016, 12:39 AM
I wouldn't vote for him.


saw something similar in my newspaper the other day Voting the lesser of two evils should rarely be considered (I.e vote instead for the principled 3rd party like Ron Paul) BUT in this case a vote for Clinton may be needed as a strategic effort to keep that vile man away from the Oval Office

i'm glad i'm not in your seat having to decide whether or not to drop most of my liberty principals and vote for someone widely regarded as evil w/little dick syndrome.http://www.boston.com/cars/newsandreviews/overdrive/2011/04/06/Donald-Trump-Indy-500-pace-car-Camaro.jpg

Feelgood
08-01-2016, 12:48 AM
Good thing Massie doesnt post in these forums, he would be crucified.

Occam's Banana
08-01-2016, 05:40 AM
Voting the lesser of two evils should rarely be considered (I.e vote instead for the principled 3rd party like Ron Paul) BUT in this case a vote for Trump may be needed as a strategic effort to keep that vile woman away from the Oval Office.

This is not an endorsement for Trump - it's a desperate endorsement for anything but Clinton and only 1 man has a shot at winning.

Yeah, um ... no. Just no.

I voted for Bill Clinton in '92. I didn't give a damn about him, though.

I just knew I hated Bush (and c'mon, I mean, there's just no way Clinton could've been any worse, amirite? Amirite ... ?)

Never again.

"Be careful what you wish for - you just might get it ..."


Voting against candidates is what allowed the govt to get into the position it is in now. I always believe people should vote for candidates.

If you are going to vote at all, then THIS ^^^^^!!!

The only person I've ever voted for since '92 was Harry Browne.

(I caucused for Ron Paul in 2012, if that counts.)

Suzanimal
08-01-2016, 07:11 AM
Voting against candidates is what allowed the govt to get into the position it is in now. I always believe people should vote for candidates.

Agree.

I love Massie. I'm not going to hold a vote against anyone in a year like this. I don't hold it against anyone on the forum and I'm not going to get my knickers in a knot over Massie's vote, either.

nikcers
08-03-2016, 11:08 PM
I disagree, look at the polls on Bernie Sanders supporters and how many of them also supported Rand Paul. Trump will never get the Bernie Coalition, Rand would of easliy destroyed Clinton in the general election.