Did Trump just deploy his best secret weapon at RNC Convention today?

[enhanced_deficit]

His son's speech got to create worries within suspected war criminals & enablers camps.
He asked some very politically incorrect questions too: if you are Mark ( who was trying to call for help for stranded Americans in Benghazi), who are you going to call? Crowd answered Trump, not a single voice said Hillary.
He also said Hillary won't pass a basic background check... and to be fair same was said about DGP back in 2008 freedom cycle.


Ben Carson connected Hillary to Lucifer via Saul Alinsky.
Don King connected Trump to new system of productivity.

[phill4paul]

Awesome. Or whatever. Did this need it's own thread? It happened at the convention, right?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?498100-**The-Official**-Republican-Convention-thread

[enhanced_deficit]

Good point, I wasn't sure as there are few separate threads also on related subjects.

[RandallFan]

Don Jr is the future of the 2020's GOP.

[CPUd]

Isn't Donald Jr a registered Democrat?

[r3volution 3.0]

Isn't Donald Jr a registered Democrat?

Isn't Donald Sr?

...oh, no, that's right, that was a few years ago when he was cheering on Barrack Obama.

...since then he had his big political conversion experience.

...after some deep, deep (the most yugely deepester) philosophical reflection.

[RandallFan]

Eric, Ivanka are blonde bimbos.

Don Jr is tweets all the time about Muslim rapists and other issues.

Jr has always been a Republican.

[enhanced_deficit]

Can you post links to those tweets?

News reports that I had seen were about his father not correcting the man who suggested DGP was a Muslim.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?482262-Trump-declines-to-correct-man-who-says-Obama-is-Muslim&


(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?482262-Trump-declines-to-correct-man-who-says-Obama-is-Muslim&)

[squarepusher]

Trump's sons are scumbag trophy hunters
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3180201/Trump-defends-big-game-hunting-sons-shamed-Twitter-posing-trophy-kills-including-leopard-elephant-death-Cecil-lion.html

The Republican frontrunner was questioned about his sons Eric and Donald Jr after Mia Farrow tweeted a picture of them
The property magnate made his remarks while giving a press conference at his Trump Turnberry golf resort in Ayrshire, Scotland, during the Women's British Open.
Trump spoke for a full 30 minutes, giving an insight into his future diplomacy skills.
But when questioned about photographs of his sons with a dead leopard in relation to the killing of Cecil the lion, Trump simply said his 'sons love to hunt'.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/30/16/2AF709B600000578-0-image-a-2_1438268837759.jpg
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Trophy: Donald Jr (left) and Eric Trump (right) posing with a leopard they shot on a hunting trip to Africa in pictures which emerged three years ago. Today their father defended them.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/30/16/2AF7099E00000578-0-image-a-26_1438270033591.jpg
+15


Kill: Donald Jr poses with the tail of an elephant which he appears to have just cut off. The pictures surfaced in 2012

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/30/16/2AF709B200000578-0-image-a-27_1438270110912.jpg
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Happy hunter: Don, seen here with a 40' Cape Buffalo Bull, is said to have 'the precision of a true marksman'

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/30/16/2AF709C400000578-0-image-a-4_1438268860102.jpg
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Costly sport: The kill fee for this Waterbuck was $1,997.00



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3180201/Trump-defends-big-game-hunting-sons-shamed-Twitter-posing-trophy-kills-including-leopard-elephant-death-Cecil-lion.html#ixzz4EvDPkoCU
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[enhanced_deficit]

Killing animals ( expect when for making steak or chicken wings or sushi ) is reprehensible. Also reprehensible/borderline racist was more outrage in US over a dead animal killed by a private individual than many more dead human children droned to death by a public servant DGP using tax payers money.


Guess we have to caliberate our morality on such issues.

[r3volution 3.0]

Eric, Ivanka are blonde bimbos.

Don Jr is tweets all the time about Muslim rapists and other issues.

Jr has always been a Republican.

Yea, it's pretty obvious.

The pronounced supraorbital ridge, asymmetrical features, vacant stare, incoherence, drooling...

Oh, republican...

....nvm

[phill4paul]

Killing animals ( expect when for making stake or chicken wings or sushi ) is reprehensible. As is more outrage in US over a dead animal killed by a private individual than dead children droned to death by some DGP using tax payers money.


Guess we have to graduate our morality on such issues.

Am I not allowed to be equally outraged?

[CPUd]

So the registered Democrats will be speaking tomorrow night.

[CPUd]

historic controversial fopc also had another secret weapon, perhaps he can deliver NJ?

https://i.imgur.com/zxDJoPb.jpg

[LibertyEagle]

Eric, Ivanka are blonde bimbos.
Uh, Ivanka is a genius.


Don Jr is tweets all the time about Muslim rapists and other issues.

Jr has always been a Republican.

[LibertyEagle]

Yea, it's pretty obvious.

The pronounced supraorbital ridge, asymmetrical features, vacant stare, incoherence, drooling...

Oh, republican...

....nvm

Ron Paul was a Republican for over 30 years. Is that what you think of him? What about Thomas Massie, Justin Amash, Rand Paul?

[RandallFan]

I can’t think of an appropriate headline for this article

by MP (http://twitter.com/mofopolitics) January 23, 2016 Share (http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http://www.mofopolitics.com/2016/01/23/107244/&t=I%20can%E2%80%99t%20think%20of%20an%20appropriat e%20headline%20for%20this%20article) Tweet (https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=I%20can%E2%80%99t%20think%20of%20an%20a ppropriate%20headline%20for%20this%20article%20htt p://www.mofopolitics.com/2016/01/23/107244/) Email (?subject=I%20can%E2%80%99t%20think%20of%20an%20ap propriate%20headline%20for%20this%20article&body=http://www.mofopolitics.com/2016/01/23/107244/)

Donald, Jr. He is so running for office…
These are not the tweets of a man on the corporate track…

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/691022071061704704

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2016/01/23/107244/

[Ender]

Am I not allowed to be equally outraged?

YES- as am I.

[CPUd]

More secret weapons:


Melissa
‏@VintageCon88

From Cruz Campaign: Trump called Ted to ask for his endorsement. He said, 'NO.'

Ted speaks at 9:45pm Wednesday
755613567580270592
https://twitter.com/VintageCon88/status/755613567580270592

[Danke]

Trump's sons are scumbag trophy hunters
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3180201/Trump-defends-big-game-hunting-sons-shamed-Twitter-posing-trophy-kills-including-leopard-elephant-death-Cecil-lion.html

The Republican frontrunner was questioned about his sons Eric and Donald Jr after Mia Farrow tweeted a picture of them
The property magnate made his remarks while giving a press conference at his Trump Turnberry golf resort in Ayrshire, Scotland, during the Women's British Open.
Trump spoke for a full 30 minutes, giving an insight into his future diplomacy skills.
But when questioned about photographs of his sons with a dead leopard in relation to the killing of Cecil the lion, Trump simply said his 'sons love to hunt'.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/30/16/2AF709B600000578-0-image-a-2_1438268837759.jpg
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Trophy: Donald Jr (left) and Eric Trump (right) posing with a leopard they shot on a hunting trip to Africa in pictures which emerged three years ago. Today their father defended them.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/30/16/2AF7099E00000578-0-image-a-26_1438270033591.jpg
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Kill: Donald Jr poses with the tail of an elephant which he appears to have just cut off. The pictures surfaced in 2012

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/30/16/2AF709B200000578-0-image-a-27_1438270110912.jpg
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Happy hunter: Don, seen here with a 40' Cape Buffalo Bull, is said to have 'the precision of a true marksman'

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/30/16/2AF709C400000578-0-image-a-4_1438268860102.jpg
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Costly sport: The kill fee for this Waterbuck was $1,997.00



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3180201/Trump-defends-big-game-hunting-sons-shamed-Twitter-posing-trophy-kills-including-leopard-elephant-death-Cecil-lion.html#ixzz4EvDPkoCU
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That is a terrible misrepresentation of what modern day hunting ""tourism" in Africa is all about. It is highly regulated by local governments and the hunters pay huge fees (50 to 60k plus) that are given to the local guides and communities. Those communities benefit from the hunt with jobs and the meat for the villagers plus those funds also provide for the enforcement against poachers taking from the locals and distorting the sustainable balance of their resources. It is now highly managed in this way to as to not deplete the wild life.

[LibertyEagle]

Good. Because I would be afraid that he might eat another booger on live TV.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BNtP7tN8I

[enhanced_deficit]

Am I not allowed to be equally outraged?


YES- as am I.

If you think life of a human child(of a different race) and an animal is of equal value, you could exercise equal outrage. General comment without having seen actual examples of outrage expressions in both cases.

Let's say a policer kills an innocent child of color using a predator drone in the name of making a community safe... and then goes on to hunt kill a peaceful animal like a deer/fish or a predator like a lion, your outrage will be equal in both cases of human/animal killings?

[RandallFan]

Bill Clinton & Hillary Clinton are right. These Trump sons & ordinary Republicans are bitter clingers who only know Fishing & Hunting!

[Danke]

Bill Clinton & Hillary Clinton are right. These Trump sons & ordinary Republicans are bitter clingers who only know Fishing & Hunting!

Liberals seem to have taken over the forum, lol.

[CPUd]

What about the feral blacks? Is justified outrage at their killings not also unlike freedom loving ground squirrels?

[Danke]

What about the feral blacks? Is justified outrage at their killings not also unlike freedom loving ground squirrels?

Are you talking about Planned Parenthood? Conservatives (I know you have little knowledge of that) are against murdering the unborn unlike liberals like yourself.

[squarepusher]

That is a terrible misrepresentation of what modern day hunting ""tourism" in Africa is all about. It is highly regulated by local governments and the hunters pay huge fees (50 to 60k plus) that are given to the local guides and communities. Those communities benefit from the hunt with jobs and the meat for the villagers plus those funds also provide for the enforcement against poachers taking from the locals and distorting the sustainable balance of their resources. It is now highly managed in this way to as to not deplete the wild life.

What sick and twisted person would have fun hunting and killing an elephant? A sign of serial killers early age is torturing and hurting animals.

[CPUd]

https://i.imgur.com/1X2ymcS.jpg

[RandallFan]

It's a fucking elephant. Not a baby.

Alpha Male Boer safari guide( in arrogant douchebag South African Accent ) to Louis Theroux: I fucking hate elephants. They walk around & only rip out the tall trees. [Safari hunt Episode]

[enhanced_deficit]

Isn't Donald Jr a registered Democrat?

He very well could be.. as part of long term strategy to grab anti-war, anti-neocon disgrunteled supporters of this democrat:

Sanders says Hillary not qualified to be President (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?494826-Sanders-says-Hillary-not-qualified-to-be-President-It-will-be-a-contested-convention&)


But Trumpsters' sheer lack of respect for two party system's rules is almost astonishing.




Are you talking about Planned Parenthood? Conservatives (I know you he little knowledge of that) are against murdering the unborn unlike liberals ...

To be fair, those are human life thingies with moving parts.

http://www.conservapedia.com/images/thumb/4/49/AbortionReasons.jpg/400px-AbortionReasons.jpg



Respect for life is that matters ( depending on specie/race/color/nationshood/economic status etc of course).

[RandallFan]

What sick and twisted person would have fun hunting and killing an elephant? A sign of serial killers early age is torturing and hurting animals.

Sounds like every one of these predominantly BLM cop killers.
Sex offender background. Loner. Paranoid about various things. Probably tortured rats where he grew up in the hood.

There I just debunked the BLM movement.

[Danke]

What sick and twisted person would have fun hunting and killing an elephant? A sign of serial killers early age is torturing and hurting animals.

Torturing? GMAFB. You a PETA member?

[Ender]

Torturing? GMAFB. You a PETA member?

Not that it really matters, but where did you see elephants in their hunt?

He was holding an elephant's tail, Danke- I don't think the elephant stood there and let him cut it off.

Killing animals for sport is sick IMHPOV; animals should only be killed for food or if your life is in danger. How people treat the critters around them is pretty indicative off how they will treat people.

[Danke]

He was holding an elephant's tail, Danke- I don't think the elephant stood there and let him cut it off.

Killing animals for sport is sick IMHPOV; animals should only be killed for food or if your life is in danger. How people treat the critters around them is pretty indicative off how they will treat people.

My bad, I see that now.

They are killed for food. That was my point earlier. Also, for preservation. Again, my point earlier.

[ChristianAnarchist]

He was holding an elephant's tail, Danke- I don't think the elephant stood there and let him cut it off. Killing animals for sport is sick IMHPOV; animals should only be killed for food or if your life is in danger. How people treat the critters around them is pretty indicative off how they will treat people.

While I would agree that people who are cruel in general are not people I want to be around talking about others in this tone is not really good either. If you agree that people are supreme (as I do and I believe our common belief is based on) then the animals are subject to man. As long as the animal in question is not property of another a man can do with it as he wishes. If he is cruel to it, he has his creator to answer to. If you say that killing for sport is cruel that is your right to believe that. If it's a clean kill and there's no waste from the kill then I really don't see a problem with it. Just because the elephant is dead doesn't mean that the meat will not be used by the natives or simply as food for other predators. It's not wasted.

While it's true that the way people treat animals is indictivative of how they will treat others, even this is protected behaviour in a free society. I can treat you anyway I like showing distain, hatred, scorn and withhold from you anything in my power. That is my right even though it might make me a jerk. As long as I don't take your property or cause you harm I can treat you (or anyone) however I like (of course I'm a nice guy and never treat people mean)...

[Ender]

My bad, I see that now.

They are killed for food. That was my point earlier. Also, for preservation. Again, my point earlier.

Disagree.




Hunters Say Trophy Hunting Helps Animals. Here's Why They're Wrong.

By Ameena Schelling
Oct. 05, 2015

Ever since the death of Cecil the lion, the world's been looking at trophy hunting a bit more closely. While many people have condemned the practice as cruel, ardent big game hunters have stood up to defend it, arguing that it's a selfless act of conservation and that both animals and local people benefit from the hobby.

But with wildlife populations in Africa continuing to plummet — and with iconic species at risk of disappearing in our lifetime — these defenses don't hold up. Here's why.

"The money goes to local communities."

Big game hunters say they help support local communities and conservation efforts by paying for big game hunts. However, while hunters pay roughly $200 million each year for big game hunts in Africa, only around 3 percent of those funds go to local communities, and the amount dedicated to conservation efforts is nearly negligible. The overwhelming majority of hunting fees ends up lining the pockets of middlemen, large companies and local governments.

"Hunting helps wild populations."

Big game hunters argue that killing can help a species by removing older animals from the population, or say that they trust governments to set sustainable hunting quotas.

Unfortunately, in practice these arguments don't hold up. For one, some governments are more interested in how much a dead lion can bring them than in establishing sustainable hunting limits. For example, there are around 20,000 to 35,000 wild lions left in Africa, depending on whom you ask, and big game hunters legally kill around 600 each year. That's an annual population loss of 2 to 3 percent, which is entirely unsustainable, even if you don't add in deaths due to poaching and livestock protection.

And while nature likes to pick off the weakest members of a population, big game hunters target the largest, strongest members of a population. For lions, that means the male pride leader; for elephants, the oldest elephant with the biggest tusks. Killing these animals, who play a crucial role in their societies, puts the rest of their families at risk.

For example, killing a male lion with an impressive mane leaves his fellow pride leaders open to challenges from other males. If a new male does come in, they could kill an entire generation of cubs, which means that the permit for one lion hunt leads to the death of several animals.

And the loss of older elephants means leaving male or female youngsters without guidance — which can actually lead to so-called teenage delinquents who are more likely to have negative interactions with humans, and therefore be killed.

The loss of any animal also means the loss of any offspring they could have parented, a knock to conservation that goes far beyond taking just one animal out of the population. And while some proponents of big game hunting advocate for only killing animals who have already contributed their genes to the population, most animals will continue to propagate until they die.

Of course, the biggest rebuttal to the hunting-helps-populations argument is in the numbers. Lions have lost 95 percent of their population since the 1940s. The African elephant population has dropped from several million at the turn of the century to roughly 500,000 today. During the past century hunting has been the primary — if not only — method of conservation, but the perilously low numbers of these animals proves that hunting is ineffective as a conservation method.

And even with these reduced populations, trophy hunters still kill around 105,000 animals in Africa every year, including 600 elephants and 800 leopards, at a time when every individual is crucial to the survival of the species.

"Canned hunting helps repopulate animals."

Some hunters tout canned hunting — an unsportsmanlike practice in which lions and other animals are bred in captivity then released into pens where they can't escape so hunters can shoot them — as a sustainable alternative, arguing that canned hunting incentivizes captive breeding, which can be used to repopulate wild populations.

But animals bred at canned hunting facilities are completely unsuitable for release. Taken away from their mothers at just a few days old and raised by humans, the lions are incapable of surviving on their own. Many of them are inbred, which means breeding with wild lions could weaken the species' gene pool. And releasing a captive-bred lion into wild lions' territory could lead to fighting, upsetting the delicate balance — and the safety — of existing prides.

"Hunting helps protect locals."

Local communities often find themselves at odds with African wildlife. Elephants destroy crops; lions and other predators can target people or livestock. These animals are often killed — and tourism hunting is often encouraged — in the name of protecting humans from African wildlife.

But as human lands continue to increase, animals continue to be pushed into smaller and smaller territories. In many cases these negative interactions are the result of animals simply trying to survive. Iconic African wildlife is at risk of disappearing, and the solution is to learn to live with animals, not keep killing them.

"It's an industry that Africa couldn't do without."

While trophy hunting does bring in some capital to African countries, it makes up as little as 1.8 percent of tourism revenues. The majority of tourists come to see Africa's wildlife, not kill it. And if big game hunting continues to deplete that wildlife, it could take down the other 98 percent of Africa's tourism income.

An individual animal, particularly if it's a member of the more iconic species, is worth far more to a country alive over the course of his lifetime than dead. Need proof? Look at Botswana. Beginning in January 2014, the country banned almost all hunting after comparing the conservation cost of big game hunting with the income generated from photo tourism: The photo tourism season is longer, makes better use of animals and employs significantly more locals. In the first year of the ban, the country brought in around $344 million from nonlethal tourism.

Of course, changes can take getting used to, but in an age when iconic species are at risk of being lost forever, killing any individual animal for sheer pleasure — especially in the name of conservation — is highly counterproductive.

To find out more, watch Blood Lions on Wednesday, Oct. 7 at 10 p.m. ET on MSNBC.

https://www.thedodo.com/does-hunting-help-conservation-1389284014.html


ChristianAnarchist:

While I would agree that people who are cruel in general are not people I want to be around talking about others in this tone is not really good either. If you agree that people are supreme (as I do and I believe our common belief is based on) then the animals are subject to man. As long as the animal in question is not property of another a man can do with it as he wishes. If he is cruel to it, he has his creator to answer to. If you say that killing for sport is cruel that is your right to believe that. If it's a clean kill and there's no waste from the kill then I really don't see a problem with it. Just because the elephant is dead doesn't mean that the meat will not be used by the natives or simply as food for other predators. It's not wasted.

While it's true that the way people treat animals is indictivative of how they will treat others, even this is protected behaviour in a free society. I can treat you anyway I like showing distain, hatred, scorn and withhold from you anything in my power. That is my right even though it might make me a jerk. As long as I don't take your property or cause you harm I can treat you (or anyone) however I like (of course I'm a nice guy and never treat people mean)...



ChristianAnarchist

Disagree on animals.

I believe they are God's creatures and man will one day be accountable for how they have treated them. I believe they are here for man BUT I also believe that we should treat all life with respect.

I have been around "wild animals" who are sweet and loving and can be considered very intelligent. To kill these for sport is disgusting to me.

JMHPOV and appreciate having friendly dialog with you, and Danke, even if we disagree. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B72Krbb9t-U

[r3volution 3.0]

Ron Paul was a Republican for over 30 years. Is that what you think of him? What about Thomas Massie, Justin Amash, Rand Paul?

I wasn't calling Republicans retards. I was calling Donald Jr a retard.

Keep rereading my post until you understand your error.

[jbauer]

Killing animals ( expect when for making steak or chicken wings or sushi ) is reprehensible. Also reprehensible/borderline racist was more outrage in US over a dead animal killed by a private individual than many more dead human children droned to death by a public servant DGP using tax payers money.


Guess we have to caliberate our morality on such issues. So you're ok with killing plants? They have feelings to. You think they like being picked and having their roots pulled up?

[jbauer]

Disagree.



https://www.thedodo.com/does-hunting-help-conservation-1389284014.html



ChristianAnarchist

Disagree on animals.

I believe they are God's creatures and man will one day be accountable for how they have treated them. I believe they are here for man BUT I also believe that we should treat all life with respect.

I have been around "wild animals" who are sweet and loving and can be considered very intelligent. To kill these for sport is disgusting to me.

JMHPOV and appreciate having friendly dialog with you, and Danke, even if we disagree. :)


What makes you think that an "embrace" by an animal means the same thing an embrace means to a human? You can train any animal to give you a hug. That doesn't mean they're giving you a hug because they love you. I also don't hunt animals for sport (except fishing). But I have no issue with someone who does.

[ChristianAnarchist]

Disagree.



https://www.thedodo.com/does-hunting-help-conservation-1389284014.html



@ChristianAnarchist (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=13075)

Disagree on animals.

I believe they are God's creatures and man will one day be accountable for how they have treated them. I believe they are here for man BUT I also believe that we should treat all life with respect.

I have been around "wild animals" who are sweet and loving and can be considered very intelligent. To kill these for sport is disgusting to me.

JMHPOV and appreciate having friendly dialog with you, and @Danke (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=6186), even if we disagree. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B72Krbb9t-U

Ya, apparently we DO NOT disagree. I though I made it quite clear that I also see man as subject to God and his rule. I stated that people who are cruel to animals are not doing a good thing but what I did say in different terms is "hate the sin but love the sinner". I feel that correcting such people with love instead of anger is the way to go. Also I think that one should put these "sins" into perspective. Cruelty to animals is probably no worse than cussing at God and we seldom make a big deal about that (and indeed I don't think we should make a big deal out of these minor offenses). Yes, it's not cool and someday these people will realize it but the animals are not people and if one takes a view that cruelty to dogs should be punished then why is cruelty to flies and mosquitoes not punished?

So yes, we agree that it's not good to be cruel to animals. We only disagree on what should be done about it...

[Danke]

Disagree.



https://www.thedodo.com/does-hunting-help-conservation-1389284014.html



@<u><a href="http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=13075" target="_blank">ChristianAnarchist</a></u>

Disagree on animals.

I believe they are God's creatures and man will one day be accountable for how they have treated them. I believe they are here for man BUT I also believe that we should treat all life with respect.

I have been around "wild animals" who are sweet and loving and can be considered very intelligent. To kill these for sport is disgusting to me.

JMHPOV and appreciate having friendly dialog with you, and @<u><a href="http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=6186" target="_blank">Danke</a></u>, even if we disagree. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B72Krbb9t-U



I have spoken to a guide that operates in Mozambique. He detailed their conservation of wildlife to me, I guess he is interested in a long term profitable business.

MSNBC quoting THE DODO?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQIVPNIDU5o

[Ender]

What makes you think that an "embrace" by an animal means the same thing an embrace means to a human? You can train any animal to give you a hug. That doesn't mean they're giving you a hug because they love you. I also don't hunt animals for sport (except fishing). But I have no issue with someone who does.

Never said that- I said we should be kind to all living creatures.

And I have had many animals that I knew loved me. ;)

[Ender]

Ya, apparently we DO NOT disagree. I though I made it quite clear that I also see man as subject to God and his rule. I stated that people who are cruel to animals are not doing a good thing but what I did say in different terms is "hate the sin but love the sinner". I feel that correcting such people with love instead of anger is the way to go. Also I think that one should put these "sins" into perspective. Cruelty to animals is probably no worse than cussing at God and we seldom make a big deal about that (and indeed I don't think we should make a big deal out of these minor offenses). Yes, it's not cool and someday these people will realize it but the animals are not people and if one takes a view that cruelty to dogs should be punished then why is cruelty to flies and mosquitoes not punished?

So yes, we agree that it's not good to be cruel to animals. We only disagree on what should be done about it...

I will tell you my "spider story" some day. ;)

[Danke]

And I have had many animals that I knew loved me. ;)

They all act that way towards you until you ask for a prenuptial.

[dannno]

That is a terrible misrepresentation of what modern day hunting ""tourism" in Africa is all about. It is highly regulated by local governments and the hunters pay huge fees (50 to 60k plus) that are given to the local guides and communities. Those communities benefit from the hunt with jobs and the meat for the villagers plus those funds also provide for the enforcement against poachers taking from the locals and distorting the sustainable balance of their resources. It is now highly managed in this way to as to not deplete the wild life.

Why do you keep defending Donald Trump?

If you really didn't like Donald Trump, you would have misplaced anger at everything that he and his family does like other people here.

[enhanced_deficit]

How people treat the critters around them is pretty indicative off how they will treat people.

To test your theory, do you see cruelty in neither/either/both photo A or photo B?

A:
http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Michelle+Obama+Bo+Obama+White+House+Debuts+FZS4Tya SFOKl.jpg



B:
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2013-07-29-15droneC1.png
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/201...-15droneC1.png

[Ender]

To test your theory, do you see cruelty in neither/either/both photo A or photo B?

A:
http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Michelle+Obama+Bo+Obama+White+House+Debuts+FZS4Tya SFOKl.jpg



B:
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2013-07-29-15droneC1.png
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/201...-15droneC1.png

Actually, I see a guy who has probably done his utmost to keep his family and himself from being "disappeared" the last 8 years. Can't imagine what it would be like to have young kids with TPTB watching every move you make.

O has pretty much followed W's path- although he's too "soft" for some elites- have to say I was impressed with his decision on a fairer deal with Iran; didn't think that would happen.

[CPUd]

I doubt these people are gonna just hand over their natural resources willingly. Trump would bomb the shit out of them, take the oil. Maybe he could put it in Reagan's ditch and light it on fire to keep the illegals out:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySdhGyqGCZk

But Trump would have the best bombs. They would only kill the terrists and not the civilians. The civilians, he would keep alive to waterboard and much worse to them.

[enhanced_deficit]

So in other words, extranal factors can cause a nice-to-critter dude to engage in attacks that lead to violent bloodshed/killing/maiming/burning of innocent children.

Now as heads of state always face immence pressures, I think after review you woud concede that your theory does not apply to presidential politics and other situations involving external pressures.. sometimes knows as life.

On a side note, if you implied aboce that DGP is not really in charge but a political slave of TBTB, I don't find that argument without merit.

[Ender]

So in other words, extranal factors can cause a nice-to-critter dude to engage in attacks that lead to violent bloodshed/killing/maiming/burning of innocent children.

Now as heads of state always face immence pressures, I think after review you woud concede that your theory does not apply to presidential politics and other situations involving external pressures.. sometimes knows as life.

On a side note, if you implied aboce that DGP is not really in charge but a political slave of TBTB, I don't find that argument without merit.

That's pretty much my POV.

[phill4paul]

On a side note, if you implied aboce that DGP is not really in charge but a political slave of TBTB, I don't find that argument without merit.


That's pretty much my POV.

Many believe that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMeBgcmTyKA

I am one. It explains why so many go in with ideological viewpoints and come out having betrayed every single one.

And before anyone states "But, they should just go to the people and expose it all!" just remember that they probably threatened to kill the whole of the named Presidents family regardless if challenged. On the other hand they are told to do what they want and offered a lifetime of luxury. Red pill. Blue pill. .....

[Ender]

Many believe that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMeBgcmTyKA

I am one. It explains why so many go in with ideological viewpoints and come out having betrayed every single one.

And before anyone states "But, they should just go to the people and expose it all!" just remember that they probably threatened to kill the whole of the named Presidents family regardless if challenged. On the other hand they are told to do what they want and offered a lifetime of luxury. Red pill. Blue pill. .....

Yep. JFK is a great example. Playboy who woke up and said "What the hell??? I don't think so!!!"

Ronnie probably started on a different route as well- lone shooter shows up- OOPS.

One of the greatest presidents, that no one has heard much about, is Harding. He pulled the US out of an oncoming depression and did a lot of good. He was NOT part of the Teapot Dome scandal but after his "mysterious" death. TPTB connected him to it and he was forgotten.

And so on.........

[jbauer]

Never said that- I said we should be kind to all living creatures.

And I have had many animals that I knew loved me. ;)

You need to spend some time studying animals and their brains. The animals saw you as their alpha male/female depending on which species. Love is a human emotion. Most species don't have the right areas of the right complexity of the brain to feel love like a human do.

Here's a good place to start: http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n05/mente/struct_i.htm

Also I'm not against being kind to living creatures, but I don't feel bad for them when they're on my grill either.

[Ender]

You need to spend some time studying animals and their brains. The animals saw you as their alpha male/female depending on which species. Love is a human emotion. Most species don't have the right areas of the right complexity of the brain to feel love like a human do.

Here's a good place to start: http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n05/mente/struct_i.htm

Also I'm not against being kind to living creatures, but I don't feel bad for them when they're on my grill either.

Spent a lot of time studying animals- most people know nothing about them.