Huckabee and the Blimp

[RonPaulMania]

Many have voiced how in the world could Huckabee rise so fast with no real support or money initially while we were polling higher and bringing in a lot more money. Now all of us should see the reason and that's media exposure.

You don't have to bring in $20 mil a quarter when you get $40 mil in free press coverage. Yes, the media is that important to get voters so let's not underestimate the power of the MSM although no one trusts it, we do eventually end up trusting it's face-power of who they want to win.

The blimp, Nov 5, Dec. 16 are the ideas of great Americans who are fighting for freedom and we have to commend them for a job well done. They will get millions of dollars in media exposure just be their creativity and we all have to be less critical of Trevor and other people who bring up such ideas.

It makes me very proud to be with such a group of people who are fighting for freedom and no matter what the result of the primaries, let's not lose this flame which is just starting to ignite.

[RonPaulCult]

Word!

[curtisag]

My theory is that Huckabee's rise is evidence of the inferiority of all the other major candidates in terms of voter appeal and intensity of support. Nobody is crazy about voting for Mitt or Rudy, so they're going with Huck. He's the only Governor running for Pres, and Governors usually win nominations and the Presidency. Senators rarely win.

This is good news for us, because it's evidence we can break out like Huck did just as easily. 53% of Iowa Republicans want us out of Iraq in the next 6 months. And Huck has not been exposed for his liberal and unethical leadership in Arkansas yet. The truth will come out in the next month, he has peaked and will begin to drop. That support has to go somewhere.

[AlexMerced]

plus people underestimate Huckabees use of very simple low level language, Pauls ideas are very inellectual and the typical voter isn't

we shouldn't dumb down our message, but it's why we grow at a slower pace, but we're growing, and our foundation is a like a rock

[njandrewg]

Huckabee's rise in the polls is because of all the media coverage like you said. But his lack of money shows that his support is weak.

Here is what I mean....Huck's intense rise shows that he is supposedly getting new supporters. But the fact that he only raised 3.5 mil(1.5 of which in the last couple of weeks) shows that all these new people who aren't tapped out, still don't support him enough to give him money. Meaning that he is the flavor of the week

[torchbearer]

plus people underestimate Huckabees use of very simple low level language, Pauls ideas are very inellectual and the typical voter isn't

we shouldn't dumb down our message, but it's why we grow at a slower pace, but we're growing, and our foundation is a like a rock

Very profound and well said. Our base is rock solid. when you see 8% for Ron Paul, that's 8% of the population that are informed and will not vote for anyone else.

That is territory the other candidates have lost for good. period. As Ron Paul rises, they all decline permanently.

[Mandrik]

So much dirt is coming out on Huckabee even as we speak. Look at the front of Drudge right now. He's surging too early, and it's going to cost him.

[wgadget]

Huck is the next on the list of CFR-approved candidates to be wrung through the GOP mill. He, too, will fail the public's muster.

Go Ron Paul!

[dircha]

I don't think media coverage accounts for his substantial gains in Iowa. He placed 2nd in Ames. He would have placed 1st if he had Brownback's supporters, which he now does.

Suggesting that it is because of the media coverage is just nonsense. Romney and Giuliani have had far and away more media coverage than any other candidate, and they are falling in the polls, not gaining.

Yes, now that he is the frontrunner he is getting much more media coverage. But he should. If our guy were the frontrunner, we would expect him to get more media coverage too, and there would be threads on this forum railing on about media bias if he didn't.

Our guy didn't place 2nd in Ames. He placed 5th as I recall.

Huckabee's popularity is spreading through strong debate appearances (from the perspective of a conservative Christian), word of mouth at the church congregation level (yes, Christians do that, and no, it's not illegal), and on the ground campaigning.

It shouldn't be surprising anyone that the portion of the Republican base who still approves of the job Bush is doing, support the guy who is Bush 2.0: George W Huckabee.

These people do not see the world as you and I do, there are many of them, and they are very vocal and powerful at the community level.

He can't win New Hampshire, but he sure can beat us in New Hampshire unless we continue to work very, very hard to get our message out there.

[dircha]

So much dirt is coming out on Huckabee even as we speak. Look at the front of Drudge right now. He's surging too early, and it's going to cost him.

Yes, it's ridiculous to hear people suggesting that there is a "neo-conservative media conspiracy" to elect Mike Huckabee as our next president.

Anyone who thinks this needs to get some perspective. The members of the media are not neo-conservatives. They are liberal democrats, just like Hillary and most of the Democratic field, and just like the majority of the Western world. And they don't want anything to do with Mike Huckabee.

[skinzterpswizfan]

I don't think media coverage accounts for his substantial gains in Iowa. He placed 2nd in Ames. He would have placed 1st if he had Brownback's supporters, which he now does.

Suggesting that it is because of the media coverage is just nonsense. Romney and Giuliani have had far and away more media coverage than any other candidate, and they are falling in the polls, not gaining.

Yes, now that he is the frontrunner he is getting much more media coverage. But he should. If our guy were the frontrunner, we would expect him to get more media coverage too, and there would be threads on this forum railing on about media bias if he didn't.

Our guy didn't place 2nd in Ames. He placed 5th as I recall.

Huckabee's popularity is spreading through strong debate appearances (from the perspective of a conservative Christian), word of mouth at the church congregation level (yes, Christians do that, and no, it's not illegal), and on the ground campaigning.

It shouldn't be surprising anyone that the portion of the Republican base who still approves of the job Bush is doing, support the guy who is Bush 2.0: George W Huckabee.

These people do not see the world as you and I do, there are many of them, and they are very vocal and powerful at the community level.

He can't win New Hampshire, but he sure can beat us in New Hampshire unless we continue to work very, very hard to get our message out there.

QFT

[ProBlue33]

Actually so much can be used against Huckabee, he can't beat whatever the dems put up. Ron Paul is the only chance at the whitehouse, when will the GOP figure this out. I know once he is in the actual whitehouse then they will wonder why they never supported him in the first place.

[Santana28]

I think Huckabee's media-influenced rise is also a move of arrogrance. Note, he will go nowhere and pick up no momentum after he wins Iowa. Remember how the media all loved to say that Ron's internet support was nothing and "cash on hand" was the real measure of strength. Well, then Ron started bringing in more cash than the others.... Huckabee never did. They gave him (Huck) significant face time at debates and positive airplay - but the money failed to roll in as expected. So now its all down to poll (name recognition) manipulation. They're trying to prove that they still "make" the candidates who they are with all their positive media attention and their flawed polling results... arrogrance trying to strike back at Paul for succeeding in spite of their help. And come voting day, they'll learn the final lesson...

[slantedview]

Actually so much can be used against Huckabee, he can't beat whatever the dems put up. Ron Paul is the only chance at the whitehouse, when will the GOP figure this out. I know once he is in the actual whitehouse then they will wonder why they never supported him in the first place.
ah man, so true. if huck were in an open campaign against hillary, she'd tear him apart with all the skeletons in his closet (which have come out).

ron is pure :)

[Santana28]

ah man, so true. if huck were in an open campaign against hillary, she'd tear him apart with all the skeletons in his closet (which have come out).

ron is pure :)

yeah, but she's still standing in the closet... so Huck could call her a hypocrite :)

[jj111]

I think Hillary is at this point effectively out of the closet, whether she likes it or not.

[dirknb@hotmail.com]

The reason Huckabee is doing well is a combination of things. More face time on TV is part of it, but he is the hope of the conservative base who doesn't know the difference between a neo conservative and a true conservative yet. His grassroots support is far behind RP, but way ahead of anyone else. There are now 228 Huckabee Meetup groups, and they are forming at a rate that now rivals RP. Those are the people we need to be reaching and converting.

[atilla]

Actually so much can be used against Huckabee, he can't beat whatever the dems put up. Ron Paul is the only chance at the whitehouse, when will the GOP figure this out. I know once he is in the actual whitehouse then they will wonder why they never supported him in the first place.

seriously, the more i think about it the more i believe that the democrats can't win unless someone like richardson or Edwards comes from the back to the front. which is not without a certain possibility. last time kerry was at the bottom of the barrel until the front-runners started sniping at each other at the last minuite.

if hillary gets the nomination, she is running close to 50% negatives already. and there are many people, including women, who would not vote for a woman regardless of who she was. a great percentage of voters are traditional old folks, they vote 90% while younger folks vote maybe 40%.

if obama was nominated, many people would never vote for a black man (the general population, not the democrats). ironically, he is half white so he could as easily claim to be a white man, but has chosen to align himself with the black side. (even though this is not explict, everyone has that impression and he has done nothing to to stake a claim to being white, his biggist supporter is oprah, ha ha, loser)

probably their only real hope is richardson. everyone knows he is white, but he still gets to claim being an hispanic, so the liberal democrats can feel all warm and tingly inside from voting for him. i thought it was hillarious back at the first debate, he was at least 10 shades darker than he normally is. either they went hog wild on the makeup, or he spent some time under the tanning lamp. fortunately he has since scaled this back some but he still seems to be more tan than he was a year ago.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/2008_democratic_presidential_primary2

Despite the fact that the frontrunners in the Democratic Party are a woman and an African-American, 60% of voters believe that the Democrats will end up nominating a white male as their Presidential candidate in 2008. Eight-out-of-ten Americans say they are willing to vote for a woman Presidential candidate and a similar percentage say the same about an African-American candidate. However, in each case, just over 50% believe their peers are likely to do the same. There is a significant difference of opinion on these questions by age. Just a third of senior citizens believe their peers would vote for a woman or an African-American

[Magsec]

The thread title sounds like a good name for a kid's book.

I'm convinced that the Republicans will want to nominate a "commander-in-chief" with military experience. With that said, I really think the real race is between McCain and Paul. Don't laugh, please.

[atilla]

The thread title sounds like a good name for a kid's book.

I'm convinced that the Republicans will want to nominate a "commander-in-chief" with military experience. With that said, I really think the real race is between McCain and Paul. Don't laugh, please.
Ha Ha
http://homepage.mac.com/mjsmitho/OneOffs/NelsonHaHa.jpg

[ProBlue33]

I really think it's going to be Paul Vs Obama, what makes me say that, he has the next highest meetup groups next to Paul and Oprah is getting behind Obama.

I know that the old order(MSM) wanted a clinton VS. Rudy match up, but I think there plans are on the ropes now.

[theantirobot]

Oprah probably hasn't heard of Ron Paul. What's something we could do to get Oprah's attention? Oh, and Huckabee hasn't done anything. Just because you see it on tv, newspapers, magazines, and radio doesn't make it true. Their promotion of Huckabee is classic propaganda. They use him to limit the spectrum of the debate, by filling the Ron Paul niche.

[austin356]

The Washington Post reported a Huckabee supporter has a email database of 70 MILLION email addresses of conservatives and Christians.

If that is factual reporting, then that is the reason.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/01/AR2007120101569.html

[literatim]

Trevor didn't come up with November 5th, December 16th, nor the Blimp. Not that he hasn't done anything, but I wish people would quit trying to give him sole credit.

[austin356]

A Techie on here needs to "borrow" this list.
There is a way. FIND IT. FIND IT NOW.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/01/AR2007120101569.html

[Liberty]

I talk to a 70 year old friend in Iowa every week and he said a major part of Huckabee's success in Iowa comes from WHO radio host Steve Deace. My friend said Deace is constantly promoting Huckabee on the air.
http://www.whoradio.com/pages/stevedeace.html

[Liberty]

Many have voiced how in the world could Huckabee rise so fast with no real support or money initially while we were polling higher and bringing in a lot more money. Now all of us should see the reason and that's media exposure.

You don't have to bring in $20 mil a quarter when you get $40 mil in free press coverage.

I agree. Huckabee received unusual excessive positive MSM coverage after a second place finish in the Ames straw poll. His name was even brought up by Bill Clinton during an interview. The wheels were set in motion way before the value voters function took place.

[CurtisLow]

I agree. Huckabee received unusual excessive positive MSM coverage after a second place finish in the Ames straw poll. His name was even brought up by Bill Clinton during an interview. The wheels were set in motion way before the value voters function took place.

I see it as the Clinton's want Huck to win because they don't want to debate Dr. Paul and they fear him.

[thisisgiparti]

Yes, it's ridiculous to hear people suggesting that there is a "neo-conservative media conspiracy" to elect Mike Huckabee as our next president.

Anyone who thinks this needs to get some perspective. The members of the media are not neo-conservatives. They are liberal democrats, just like Hillary and most of the Democratic field, and just like the majority of the Western world. And they don't want anything to do with Mike Huckabee.

The neoconservatives preach Wilsonian liberalism while practicing cut throat fascism. The liberal press will never properly take them to task, because they would betray their own ideology. They believe in this "greater good" crap as much as the neoconservatives; they are united in purpose, if they disagree on other issues.

The only beef liberals and democrats have with neoconservatives is secularism. They love "making the world safe for democracy" and socialism, which is lite fascism when it goes corporate.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Actually so much can be used against Huckabee, he can't beat whatever the dems put up. Ron Paul is the only chance at the whitehouse, when will the GOP figure this out. I know once he is in the actual whitehouse then they will wonder why they never supported him in the first place.

The GOP won't support him because they'd rather see Hillary elected than have Paul dismantle a corrupt environment that took decades to build.

If they ever do start supporting him, I expect it to be fake.

[KingTheoden]

The Huckster's 'surge' is, in the words of Sy Parrish in One Hour Photo, 'pretend, this is all pretend!'

The media rallied behind Huckleberry because they saw the Ghoul in collapse. Fred Thompson's entry was the biggest dud of the race (and ol' Fred attacked Mitt and Huck on their respective inabilities to tell the truth). As far as I can see it, the media is placing all their metaphoric eggs in the Huckster's basket, hoping that they can fool enough people for just enough time to distract them from Ron Paul.

In my estimation, it will not work because Huckabee is not such a clean slate as they would prefer (now it has come out he was in favor of states handling abortion but recently attacked Thompson for that very position, he seems to really like rapists, taxes, etc.). These polls are as real as the Easter Bunny. We already know that some polls flat out do not include Ron Paul, others lie about their methods (the LA Times claimed that they account for cell phone users - an absolute lie because calling cell numbers is illegal for pollsters).

The idea here was not to get Huckleberry elected, but to keep attention away from Uncle Ron. As usual, their plans are not working and after Air Force Ron launches and we rake in more money than any candidate, the media will have to give Ron Paul coverage.