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Anti Federalist
07-18-2016, 05:08 PM
Of course, by fatwa.

IC vehicles will be a thing of the past in ten years.

"No ex post facto laws? Never heard of it."

Move along now...



When Uncle “Cheats,” it’s OK

http://ericpetersautos.com/2016/07/17/uncle-cheats-ok/

by eric • July 17, 2016

Apparently, it’s ok for Uncle to “cheat.”

Not on emissions tests, as VW is being stoned to death for doing, but on federal fuel efficiency requirements (CAFE, in Uncle-speak).

Would you believe he is not only going to triple the “gas guzzler” fines applied to any automaker that doesn’t make the CAFE cut – the mandatory minimum “fleet average” MPG, which is currently 35.5 MPG – but also that these fines will be applied retroactively – to the 2015 and 2016 model year – as well as to future model years?

That’s two full model years before the 35.5 MPG mandatory went into effect – and tens of millions of dollars in fines, just because.

Dirty pool, as Gomez used to say.

But apparently it’s ok when Uncle does it.

And it’s not a proposal. It’s a fatwa. Done deal.

A “notice” was published in the July 5 Federal Register simply announcing Uncle’s decision (see here).

Technically, it is NHTSA’s decision.

NHTSA – the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration – is one of the many federal regulatory “agencies” (as they are innocuously styled) that operates as a legislature. It issues “rulings” that have the force of law, even though no one elected NHTSA or the bureaucrats within. What happens is that Congress passes a vague law – in this case, the Energy Policy and Conservation Act, way back in 1975 – which alphabet agencies like NHTSA (and EPA) are then given free reign to interpret.

This little shuck-and-jive allows Congress to take Grand Stands (we are saving energy!) without being held accountable for the specifics (new cars must average 35.5 MPG – headed to 54.5 MPG) while enabling unelected bureaucracies to impose the specifics (you will be forced to pay heavy fines if those “targets” aren’t met) without any fear of being held accountable.

It’s a slick con.

Your congressman or senator can get claps on the campaign trail hollering about the importance of more “efficient” cars. No one demands specifics from him. Later on, you read that a bureaucrat whose name you probably never heard – and whom you’ll never be given the opportunity to vote out of office – has decided to interpret the law passed by your congressman or senator. More “efficient” cars now means that every new car will average 35.5 MPG or else you’ll be hit with a fine.

That’s right – you.

And me and everyone else who buys the cars. The “gas guzzler” fines applied for not meeting the decreed CAFE mandatory minimums are simply folded into the price of the car you just bought.

Or did you think the automakers would simply absorb the fines as a kind of penance?

Now the fines are to be tripled – and applied retroactively.

The rate goes up from $5.50 to $14 for each 0.1 MPG that any automaker falls short of the “target,” as Uncle innocuously styles it. In fact it is a mandate. And the mandate just got a lot more expensive. Possibly catastrophically so.

Which may be on purpose.

NHTSA – a government agency that doesn’t have to worry about such drudgeries as balancing its books because it can simply take (via Congress) more of our money to finance its operations – may not grok that car companies do have to balance their books, have to convince people to buy what they are selling; cannot simply jack up the sticker price and shove their hands into people’s pockets and take what they feel like taking.

If this tripling of CAFE fines stands, it is probably going to put several car companies that are already in trouble into an unrecoverable spin.

Under the old fatwa – noncompliance with the lower (30.2 MPG “combined”) CAFE mandatory minimum – Jaguar Land Rover was socked with in excess of $46 million in “gas guzzler” fines over the period 2010-2014 alone – all of that passed on to its customers. Of which there are fewer because of the fines.

Jaguar Land Rover is a relatively small automaker that sells no “efifcient” cars to boost its overall CAFE numbers – so the costs it must pass on to its customers (in the form of higher sticker prices) are proportionately higher than the costs born (and passed on) by rivals like BMW or Mercedes, which score better on CAFE because they sell some relatively “efficient” models whose MPG numbers offset the not-so-great MPG numbers of the others.

Even so, they, too, fork over millions – and have to charge customers millions, to make up for what Uncle grabs

Even Fiat – which only sells “efficient” cars – is forced to pay millions to Uncle, which the company recovers by charging its customers more for every car they buy.

And now the fines are going to triple.

And the CAFE fatwa is set to nearly double – to 54.5 MPG by model year 2025, just nine years away.

It is not an exaggeration to state that this could destroy the car industry by making it literally not possible to sell cars at a price people are not merely willing but able to pay. There is not one currently available new car – not even the Prius hybrid – that averages 54.5 MPG.

Consider what this means.

Unless – via unicorn farts, perhaps – a way is found to build cars that average 54.5 MPG less than ten years hence, every company selling cars that don’t average 54.5 MPG will be hit with triple the current “gas guzzler” fines. It will mean the certain extinction of most car types currently available, including mid-sized and larger sedans and especially SUVs and larger crossover SUVs, most of which don’t even come within spitting distance of the current 35.5 MPG fatwa.

And 54.5 MPG? As Tony Soprano used to say, forget about it!

But this business of ex post facto’ing the car industry is beyond egregious. It’s one thing for an unelected, unaccountable government bureaucracy to simply decree that next year or the year after that or nine years from now every car company’s roster of cars must average at least 35.5 MPG (the current, upticked standard – which went into effect this year) and something else to decree that the standard that was in effect last year no longer applies – and that a new standard will be applied retroactively.

This is tyrannical.

The trade publication Automotive News quoted a car industry executive – who wished to remain anonymous for the obvious reason that any government which engages in re-writing laws and applying punishment retroactively is a mafia and capable of anything – as follows:

“The most disturbing thing about it is that essentially no notice was given… you make your regulatory plans based on a certain set of assumptions. To have it change suddenly without notice and without the ability to respond is really troubling.”

Indeed.

What’s next? Fining companies that sold cars without air bags before the air bag mandate went into effect?

It would not surprise me.

To recall and paraphrase the immortal words of Richard Nixon: When an unaccountable, unelected federal agency does it, it’s not illegal.

Let alone “cheating.”

Anti Federalist
07-18-2016, 05:17 PM
that any government which engages in re-writing laws and applying punishment retroactively is a mafia and capable of anything

Anti Federalist
07-18-2016, 05:20 PM
It's shit like this...this is the reason why I am not lachrymose and pulling my hair out when somebody flips out and decides that they have had just about enough and starts shooting at the state's enforcers.

Ronin Truth
07-18-2016, 05:21 PM
There go the Humvees. How many yard planters will they be turned into?

donnay
07-18-2016, 05:31 PM
There go the Humvees. How many yard planters will they be turned into?

For the slaves, you mean.

Those elites will have whatever the hell they want.

TheTexan
07-18-2016, 06:33 PM
For the slaves, you mean.

Those elites will have whatever the hell they want.

Stretch humvees are pretty nice.

Much better than stretch limos. Not enough room.

Anti Federalist
07-19-2016, 04:40 PM
blimp

Origanalist
07-19-2016, 05:00 PM
It's shit like this...this is the reason why I am not lachrymose and pulling my hair out when somebody flips out and decides that they have had just about enough and starts shooting at the state's enforcers.

How can you say that? Those brave men and women hold the very fabric of our society together.

Danke
07-19-2016, 05:05 PM
How can you say that? Those brave men and women hold the very fabric of our society together.

He's a luddite, no reasoning with him.

Brian4Liberty
07-19-2016, 05:05 PM
For the slaves, you mean.

Those elites will have whatever the hell they want.

Yes, mundanes can use public transit, squeezed together like sardines with bums and the insane, transmitting diseases, rarely on schedule, always on camera, with costs that increase at the whims of the apparatchiks. Hillary will ride in Air Force One or militarized convoys. Her cronies will ride in private jets, helicopters and armored limos. Some animals are more equal than others.

asurfaholic
07-19-2016, 05:57 PM
I drive a gas guzzler. How else am I going to tow my gas guzzling boat down to the beach for a day of trolling for Spanish?

phill4paul
07-19-2016, 07:51 PM
We'll all be riding mopeds soon. And no you won't be able to get away with not being licensed and insured to drive your "liquor cycle." Last year N.C. decided to issue tags on the little scoots. As soon as they did that I said, "Won't be long until insurance is required." Sure enough new legislation this year requires

$30,000 for bodily injuries or death to one person in a single accident.
$60,000 for bodily injuries or deaths to more than one person in a single accident.
$25,000 for property damage occurring in a single accident.

When is my pet issue going to require fuggin' bicyclists to be licensed, tagged, insured and taxed?

puppetmaster
07-19-2016, 08:04 PM
It's shit like this...this is the reason why I am not lachrymose and pulling my hair out when somebody flips out and decides that they have had just about enough and starts shooting at the state's enforcers. i agree but it won't be a low level lackey that will take the fall i would have to go higher up the chain.

69360
07-19-2016, 08:04 PM
We'll all be riding mopeds soon. And no you won't be able to get away with not being licensed and insured to drive your "liquor cycle." Last year N.C. decided to issue tags on the little scoots. As soon as they did that I said, "Won't be long until insurance is required." Sure enough new legislation this year requires

$30,000 for bodily injuries or death to one person in a single accident.
$60,000 for bodily injuries or deaths to more than one person in a single accident.
$25,000 for property damage occurring in a single accident.

When is my pet issue going to require fuggin' bicyclists to be licensed, tagged, insured and taxed?

If you try to walk, I'll tax your feet.

Danke
07-19-2016, 08:10 PM
We'll all be riding mopeds soon. And no you won't be able to get away with not being licensed and insured to drive your "liquor cycle." Last year N.C. decided to issue tags on the little scoots. As soon as they did that I said, "Won't be long until insurance is required." Sure enough new legislation this year requires

$30,000 for bodily injuries or death to one person in a single accident.
$60,000 for bodily injuries or deaths to more than one person in a single accident.
$25,000 for property damage occurring in a single accident.

When is my pet issue going to require fuggin' bicyclists to be licensed, tagged, insured and taxed?

Last time I ran over a bicyclist, my truck was scratched and I had to pay out-of-pocket to fix it as they had no insurance.

Danke
07-19-2016, 08:12 PM
If you try to walk, I'll tax your feet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbQiVQuiu04

oyarde
07-19-2016, 08:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbQiVQuiu04

I like to play it while I am driving on my thrice taxed gasoline .

Danke
07-19-2016, 08:19 PM
I like to play it while I am driving on my thrice taxed gasoline .

What happened?

"Article 1, Section 2, which states, "Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this union, according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed..."

phill4paul
07-19-2016, 08:20 PM
Last time I ran over a bicyclist, my truck was scratched and I had to pay out-of-pocket to fix it as they had no insurance.

Should have gotten his Name from the police report and sued him. Put a lien against any property if not paid. I'd a done it even though it probably would have cost me more than the repair. I cannot stand a bicyclist. I live in the country and the roads are curvy. That means that the most of them are double-yellow lines. In N.C. you cannot lawfully pass on a double-yellow. Though I'm forced to. It's one of those "three-laws a day" type thing. Bah, don't even get me started. :mad:

Danke
07-19-2016, 08:22 PM
Should have gotten his Name from the police report and sued him. Put a lien against any property if not paid. I'd a done it even though it probably would have cost me more than the repair. I cannot stand a bicyclist. I live in the country and the roads are curvy. That means that the most of them are double-yellow lines. In N.C. you cannot lawfully pass on a double-yellow. Though I'm forced to. It's one of those "three-laws a day" type thing. Bah, don't even get me started. :mad:

How do you sue a dead person, go after their estate? I think the last two were homeless anyway.

oyarde
07-19-2016, 08:22 PM
What happened?

"Article 1, Section 2, which states, "Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this union, according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed..."
My entire Land of Indians should not have to pay gasoline tax . I forgot . I will let my representative know they owe me money.

Danke
07-19-2016, 08:24 PM
My entire Land of Indians should not have to pay gasoline tax . I forgot . I will let my representative know they owe me money.

Aren't you skimming off enough from the white man at your casinos already?

phill4paul
07-19-2016, 08:29 PM
How do you sue a dead person, go after their estate?

Well, hell yes! If it was a nice 20 speed-enduro-thingymatron and he wore spandex and a wind speed reduction negating helmet. If it was a homeless guys' rusty single speed with baskets full of empty aluminum cans then not so much.

Danke
07-19-2016, 08:33 PM
Well, hell yes! If it was a nice 20 speed-enduro-thingymatron and he wore spandex and a wind speed reduction negating helmet. If it was a homeless guys' rusty single speed with baskets full of empty aluminum cans then not so much.

Wow, I google truck vs. moped....don't do that.

oyarde
07-19-2016, 08:39 PM
Aren't you skimming off enough from the white man at your casinos already?

If I had a Casino , yes , it would show very little to pay tax on. I am an expert skimmer. One of my Grandfathers was an accountant and expert poker player .

phill4paul
07-19-2016, 08:40 PM
Wow, I google truck vs. moped....don't do that.

Like I wouldn't. :rolleyes: Annnd oh sheeeeeeit!!!

Do not watch, repeat, do not watch....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRamIqm44K0

Danke
07-19-2016, 08:43 PM
Like I wouldn't. :rolleyes: Annnd oh sheeeeeeit!!!

Do not watch, repeat, do not watch....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRamIqm44K0


My brother travel all over the world, a lot of it on a bike, amazing he survived.

phill4paul
07-19-2016, 08:57 PM
My brother travel all over the world, a lot of it on a bike, amazing he survived.

I used to ride. I've owned a H-D Sportster and a "beach bike" Triumph Bonneville. I wouldn't bike around anymore. Well. I can't say I wouldn't if I had one, but, there are too many shit drivers out there now. Everyone seems distracted by something. I wouldn't mind getting another for trailering up to ride on the Blue Ridge Parkway. That'd be nice. Around town? No way.

Danke
07-19-2016, 09:02 PM
I used to ride. I've owned a H-D soft-tail and a "beach bike" Triumph Bonneville. I wouldn't bike around anymore. Well. I can't say I wouldn't if I had one, but, there are too many shit drivers out there now. Everyone seems distracted by something. I wouldn't mind getting another for trailering up to ride on the Blue Ridge Parkway. That'd be nice. Around town? No way.

My brother was living in Japan and he was hit by a taxi car on his bicycle. The taxi car driver refused to pay for my brothers hospital bill. My brother belonged to a karate dojo, and the owner had ties to the Yakuza, their mafia. The owner paid a visit to the taxi driver and my brother got reimbursed for his hospital bill.

phill4paul
07-19-2016, 09:09 PM
My brother was living in Japan and he was hit by a taxi car on his bicycle. The taxi car driver refused to pay for my brothers hospital bill. My brother belonged to a karate dojo, and the owner had ties to the Yakuza, their mafia. The owner paid a visit to the taxi driver and my brother got reimbursed for his hospital bill.

It always helps to have friends. I was friends with a sixth year dental student while I was there. Over there if you're in your sixth year in a four year school your family can pull some strings. I didn't find Japanese taxi drivers to be that bad. Now the South Korean taxi drivers? I'd just as soon walk. And no where near a road.

Danke
07-19-2016, 09:11 PM
It always helps to have friends. I was friends with a sixth year dental student while I was there. Over there if you're in your sixth year in a four year school your family can pull some strings. I didn't find Japanese taxi drivers to be that bad. Now the South Korean taxi drivers? I'd just as soon walk. And no where near a road.

I lived in Korea too and it was amazing at all the burnt out spots (where there had been an accident) you would see along the road and I even saw a bus in the ravine one time. A truck basically ran me off the road one time and I had to go into the bumpy shoulder to go around him. My friend had his eyes closed trying to sleep in the passenger seat. He didn't even open his eyes as he was trying to sleep, and asked "did we almost die" I said yes and he went back to sleep. Driving in Korea. Lol.

Big lesson I learned at an intersection there, don't make eye contact with the other drivers and then you have the right-a-way. Of course it helped that I was driving an older big Buick Century.

phill4paul
07-19-2016, 09:17 PM
I lived in Korea too and it was amazing all the burnt out spots you would see along the road and I even saw a bus in the ravine one time.

Well, this was back in early '80 when I was there. I don't know if it has changed, but damn, I was not drunk enough to consider it a fun ride. And I was plenty drunk. ;)

Danke
07-19-2016, 09:23 PM
Well, this was back in early '80 when I was there. I don't know if it has changed, but damn, I was not drunk enough to consider it a fun ride. And I was plenty drunk. ;)

Did you waive old order papers at the toll booth operators to get out of paying? I loved that trick. And waiving at the cops as you drove by speeding as they signaled you to pull over...haha

phill4paul
07-19-2016, 09:48 PM
Did you waive old order papers at the toll booth operators to get out of paying? I loved that trick. And waiving at the cops as you drove by speeding as they signaled you to pull over...haha

No. Don't remember any of that. I only in-ported for four days though. I guess our driver was connected. We did pass some "cops" but they obviously didn't care. I do remember leather goods were dirt cheap. I picked up a great leather motorcycle jacket for around $30 bucks. Best jacket I ever had until a woman stole it. Good thick leather and damn sturdy zippers. My dad had an old patch from back in his days in the Air Force back in the '50's. "Been to Hell, Soul Korea" surrounding a Red-Devils head. A friend and I updated with a skull w/ a Mohawk, the same phrase and CVN-Midway underneath. Three custom embroidered patches 10" x 8" for $10 each and sewn on our new jackets. I really hate the gal that stole my jacket.

Danke
07-19-2016, 09:50 PM
No. Don't remember any of that. I only in-ported for four days though. I guess our driver was connected. We did pass some "cops" but they obviously didn't care. I do remember leather goods were dirt cheap. I picked up a great leather motorcycle jacket for around $30 bucks. Best jacket I ever had until a woman stole it. Good thick leather and damn sturdy zippers. My dad had an old patch from back in his days in the Air Force back in the '50's. "Been to Hell, Soul Korea" surrounding a Red-Devils head. A friend and I updated with a skull w/ a Mohawk, the same phrase and CVN-Midway underneath. Three custom embroidered patches 10" x 8" for $10 each and sewn on out new jackets. I really hate the gal that stole my jacket.

Yeah I bought a lot of leather goods in Korea. But only worn one of the nice jackets. Wish I had bought more those. All the motorcycle stuff I bought I have never worn . Flying in Korea as a fighter pilot was too good. Almost no rules. Just stay out of NK airspace. Couple of squadron mates had to sit down for a couple weeks for doing that.

phill4paul
07-19-2016, 09:57 PM
Yeah I bought a lot of leather goods in Korea. But only worn one of the nice jackets. Wish I had bought more those. All the motorcycle stuff I bought I have never worn . Flying in Korea as a fighter pilot was too good. Almost no rules. Just stay out of NK airspace. Couple of squadron mates had to sit down for a couple weeks for doing that.

My dad was an ATC. He was part of a mobile group. He said Korea was the coldest damn place he had ever been. When we imported during winter I had a four hour sponson watch and between the cold and the sea winds I have to agree. "Cold as Hell."

Danke
07-19-2016, 09:59 PM
My dad was an ATC. He was part of a mobile group. He said Korea was the coldest damn place he had ever been. When we imported during winter I had a four hour sponson watch and between the cold and the sea winds I have to agree. "Cold as Hell."

I'm from MN. Didn't seem cold to me. Plus I had a Korean gf to keep me warm.

phill4paul
07-19-2016, 10:10 PM
I'm from MN. Didn't seem cold to me. Plus I had a Korean gf to keep me warm.

Dad's from Ohio. Is MN really that much colder? I dunno. I hate the cold. And even having grown up in south Florida hate heat and humidity. I have relatives in Hawaii. Never been but they tell me that, temperature wise, it's perfect, year round. And if you want cold in winter you can even travel up into snow at the highest elevations. Don't much like the gun policy there, but don't much like it here and there is always a way.

As far as Korea it was as cold as I would ever want to be. I impersonated my commander over the phone because my watch went over 10 mins. and got a Marine to relieve me( :eek: teh horrers!). y commander let it slide with an verbal admonishment. Good to go.

Danke
07-19-2016, 10:13 PM
Dad's from Ohio. Is MN really that much colder? I dunno. I hate the cold. And even having grown up in south Florida hate heat and humidity. I have relatives in Hawaii. Never been but they tell me that, temperature wise, it's perfect, year round. And if you want cold in winter you can even travel up into snow at the highest elevations. Don't much like the gun policy there, but don't much like it here and there is always a way.

Colorado is the ideal climate for me...someday I'll get back there.

phill4paul
07-19-2016, 10:21 PM
Colorado is the ideal climate for me...someday I'll get back there.

Have family there too. They keep wanting me to move out. I dunno. I'm where I'm at because mom (83) and dad (86) are trying to outlive each other so they can "be free" of the other. :p I'm here to "help" them in their "end years" and, at this point, I don't think I'm ever going to move. I'll probably die before they do.

Danke
07-19-2016, 10:23 PM
Have family there too. They keep wanting me to move out. I dunno. I'm where I'm at because mom (83) and dad (86) are trying to outlive each other so they can "be free" of the other. :p I'm here to "help" them in their "end years" and, at this point, I don't think I'm ever going to move. I'll probably die before they do.

Pretty much doing the same in Minnesota.

afwjam
07-19-2016, 10:42 PM
I'm buying a Jaguar next then.

oyarde
07-19-2016, 10:46 PM
Yeah I bought a lot of leather goods in Korea. But only worn one of the nice jackets. Wish I had bought more those. All the motorcycle stuff I bought I have never worn . Flying in Korea as a fighter pilot was too good. Almost no rules. Just stay out of NK airspace. Couple of squadron mates had to sit down for a couple weeks for doing that.

I bought a white doe skin jacket tanned by virgins there for 50 FRN's

Danke
07-19-2016, 10:48 PM
I bought a white doe skin jacket tanned by virgins there for 50 FRN's

Where did you get the extra 50 FRNs? Don't answer, I don't want to know.

phill4paul
07-19-2016, 10:49 PM
I bought a white doe skin jacket tanned by virgins there for 50 FRN's

I don't think they have child labor laws there. So it is possible.

oyarde
07-19-2016, 10:50 PM
Where did you get the extra 50 FRNs? Don't answer, I don't want to know.

I was Flush in those days , I was raking in 400 a month with all my black market monies and my salary.

Danke
07-19-2016, 10:56 PM
I don't think they have child labor laws there. So it is possible.

I'd imagine a little peyote past under the table with those stolen FRN too.

Origanalist
07-19-2016, 10:58 PM
We'll all be riding mopeds soon. And no you won't be able to get away with not being licensed and insured to drive your "liquor cycle." Last year N.C. decided to issue tags on the little scoots. As soon as they did that I said, "Won't be long until insurance is required." Sure enough new legislation this year requires

$30,000 for bodily injuries or death to one person in a single accident.
$60,000 for bodily injuries or deaths to more than one person in a single accident.
$25,000 for property damage occurring in a single accident.

When is my pet issue going to require fuggin' bicyclists to be licensed, tagged, insured and taxed?

Oh, that day will come. But by then I don't imagine it will make your mood any better.

oyarde
07-19-2016, 10:58 PM
I'd imagine a little peyote past under the table with those stolen FRN too.

I have always been free market .

phill4paul
07-19-2016, 11:06 PM
Oh, that day will come. But by then I don't imagine it will make your mood any better.

I'm sure it will. No, I don't want it too. Yes, it will not make my mood any better.

Origanalist
07-19-2016, 11:10 PM
I'm sure it will. No, I don't want it too. Yes, it will not make my mood any better.

If my mood gets any worse I wont make it that long.

phill4paul
07-19-2016, 11:16 PM
If my mood gets any worse I wont make it that long.

Maybe the sun will come through the window....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9DA-u2EhmA

Origanalist
07-19-2016, 11:23 PM
Maybe the sun will come through the window....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9DA-u2EhmA


They will just charge me for it if it does.