3 officers dead after shooting near Baton Rouge PD HQ

[cajuncocoa]

//

[RonPaulIsGreat]

Another day another assassination. going to taco bell.

[RonPaulIsGreat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4ARsxrZh8

Here is BLM calling for Dead cops. Imagine if White people were in the streets calling for dead thugs NOW!. Oh boy that would terrorism.

[LibertyEagle]

We just need to bring in more illegal aliens and Middle Eastern "refugees". That will fix everything.

/s

[AuH20]

We just need to bring in more illegal aliens and Middle Eastern "refugees". That will fix everything.

/s

We don't have enough aggrieved minority groups wanting to micromanage everyone's lives in the futile search for equal outcomes. We need more.

[goldenequity]

Prolly going to be disappeared...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjMBKDj_R_o

not graphic btw
sounds like full auto ??

[LibertyEagle]

http://livestream.com/accounts/11595706/events/3707065

[Ender]

We just need to bring in more illegal aliens and Middle Eastern "refugees". That will fix everything.

/s

What does illegals have to do with this? The Dallas shooting was a veteran.

[LibertyEagle]

What does illegals have to do with this? The Dallas shooting was a veteran.


We don't have enough aggrieved minority groups wanting to micromanage everyone's lives in the futile search for equal outcomes. We need more.

..

[Root]

Is it finally happening? Is it time yet?

[phill4paul]

Yep, turning into one hot summer. It's been said many times by many on these forums but it bears repeating...

Avoid all interaction with the police if possible.

As these shooting continue to occur they will be in a heightened state of paranoia and "feared for my life"-edness.

[tod evans]

Is it finally happening? Is it time yet?

Nope.

The cries for government protection just get louder and more incessant...:(

[torchbearer]

Is it finally happening? Is it time yet?

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/698/068/a4e.jpg

[enhanced_deficit]

This is 3rd suspected terrorist attack within couple of weeks, ink of news prints about Orlando, Dallas shootings had barely dried and echoes of Obama's race-relations Town Hall barely quieted.
What is going on in America that was supposed to be "not White America, not Black America but United States of America" as Obama had eloquently stated in 2007 Kerry nomination speech?

Obama town hall to talk about police shootings (ABC, 8 pm ET) (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?497983-Obama-town-hall-to-talk-about-police-shootings-%28ABC-8-pm-ET%29&)




Some of the more vocal reactions so far:


Head of Cleveland Police Union on Baton Rouge: Obama Has ‘Blood on His Hands’

by Josh Feldman | 1:09 pm, July 17th, 2016

http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/loomis-300x197.jpg

The head of a Cleveland police union reacted to the shooting of multiple officers in Baton Rouge by going off on President Obama and a media culture that helps boost anti-cop narratives.

Detective Steve Loomis said that the shootings of police officers, from Dallas to now, started with what he deemed as a completely false narrative concerning the death of Alton Sterling.
He said that Obama has “validated the false narrative and the nonsense that Black Lives Matter and the media are pressing out there,” and he said the president has “blood on his hands” that he won’t be able to wash off.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/head-of-c...-on-his-hands/ (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/head-of-cleveland-police-union-on-baton-rouge-obama-has-blood-on-his-hands/)

[torchbearer]

Baton Rouge literally means Red Stick. The name of the town will have a whole different meaning from its original intent after this civil war is done.

[pcosmar]

We just need to bring in more illegal aliens and Middle Eastern "refugees". That will fix everything.

/s

Yes I saw the sarc tag
We could remove the problem. and disband the Standing Army our Founders Warned About.

or people will eventually do that.

I am neither applauding nor condemning,, only stating that I have expected it..and it was wholly predictable.

[AuH20]

Great week to have a convention.

[LibertyEagle]

Nope.

The cries for government protection just get louder and more incessant...:(

Actually, the cry I've heard is for government to damn well stop importing illegal aliens and trucking them all over the country, stop dropping unvetted foreigners from countries who hate our guts in states who never agreed to it, and stop inciting racial hatred by telling blacks they are victims and should blame white people for their life situations. The government is TRYING to cause mayhem.

So, the cry I'm hearing is not for government to do more, it is for them to stop what they are doing.

[presence]

So, the cry I'm hearing is not for government to do more, it is for them to stop what they are doing.

government needs a kill switch

[torchbearer]

government needs a kill switch

click,click,pull?

[pcosmar]

government needs a kill switch

Theye have a different idea of that than i,,

:(

[presence]

Theye have a different idea of that than i,,

:(

Should be just like a train....

anyone aboard pulls the emergency cable and the whole damn train grinds to a halt.

[pcosmar]

Should be just like a train....

anyone aboard pulls the emergency cable and the whole damn train grinds to a halt.

:D

[MelissaWV]

Nope.

The cries for government protection just get louder and more incessant...:(

Yep. And calls for Government to save us from all those outsiders. I'm glad we're safe from that stupidity on these forums, though.

[AuH20]

Yep. And calls for Government to save us from all those outsiders. I'm glad we're safe from that stupidity on these forums, though.

Save us? I could probably get 400 to 500 citizens to remove these problems without government assistance, but I have a feeling that we would be locked in federal prison for 50 years. The people are way ahead of the crooked system that has deprived us of our sovereignty.

[cajuncocoa]

//

[pcosmar]

Save us? I could probably get 400 to 500 citizens to remove these problems without government assistance,

I think there is a wide difference of opinion as to who is the problem,, and who needs removal.

[cajuncocoa]

//

[DadaOrwell]

The Sarajevo snipers in April 1992, shooting at crowds and cops from Holiday Inn during a demonstration... that was often viewed as the start of the Bosnian war. So far the Dallas attack seems to be having a similar type of effect but smaller. It's like it triggered a low intensity guerrilla war. Our job is to help steer this more in a "Soviet collapse" direction than a Yugo collapse direction, the path of events seems to be unfolding somewhere between the two outcomes...with a huge neo-civil-rights movement thrown in.

[tod evans]

Yep. And calls for Government to save us from all those outsiders. I'm glad we're safe from that stupidity on these forums, though.

:rolleyes:

+rep

[tod evans]

Save us? I could probably get 400 to 500 citizens to remove these problems without government assistance, but I have a feeling that we would be locked in federal prison for 50 years. The people are way ahead of the crooked system that has deprived us of our sovereignty.

And that my friend is why the good Lord invented tar-n-feathers......

It's the best way to avoid wasting both lead and time.......

[goldenequity]

7 officers shot, 3 dead

One deceased Shooter is a Black male with a Missouri DL.
3 shooters were described to be wearing black military type clothing .
They have detained 2 men at Wall-Mart that arrived in a car with Texas plates; They had black military clothing, bought clothes and changed in the store .
live updates: http://thehayride.com/2016/07/officers-killed-in-baton-rouge-shooting/

Current WDSU (NBC New Orleans) 5 shooters
Story goes: they called police then ambushed them.
source: https://twitter.com/crockettnews/status/754761693687721986
source: https://twitter.com/wdsu/status/754763065955086337

http://29wyu31qhvsjwj4mf2oi5lg1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/7-17-16-shooting.jpg

The B-Quik Mobil gas station is a popular place
for the local Baton Rouge Police to meet up, exchange marching orders and grab a cup of coffee.
(It's a block from the Baton Rouge Police HQ where the BLM protests have been going on this past week.)

===================

A family friend of Montrell Jackson said he was one of the officers killed in #BatonRouge.
He and his wife just had a baby in March.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnlnpCtWgAEDnjD.jpg

[pcosmar]

Expect a heavy dose of white guilt

Why?
I have no guilt in this.

[goldenequity]

UPDATE – 3:00 p.m. –
We’re told that a fourth police officer has died,
making the count of the fallen two Baton Rouge police officers
and two East Baton Rouge sheriff’s deputies.
The governor has a press conference called momentarily at State Police headquarters.

-------------

Just now at the presser:
LIVE: http://www.wafb.com/category/253954/wafb-9news-live
AND http://www.wbrz.com/pages/live-stream-3/
BRPD Saying that there is just one shooter... (that they know of.)

UPDATE – 3:05 p.m. –
At the press conference, state police commander Mike Edmonson just said
that the police believe the dead shooter was the one who shot all the cops
and that this is no longer an active shooter situation.

Edmonson did not confirm a fourth death among the police;
he said the officer in question was in critical condition
and had just come out of surgery.
Hopefully he’s correct and the officer will pull through;
our sources, close to the officer’s family, have different information.

Edmonson’s statement would indicate the police believe the two men arrested in West Baton Rouge Parish would be the others involved.

==============

(dead) BatonRouge shooter--Gavin Eugene Long, 29, a black male from K.C.
Long was also a former Marine.

[AuH20]

Why?
I have no guilt in this.

Not you. Boobus. Bring up slavery and they melt. 'Here take my wife.'

[euphemia]

What does illegals have to do with this? The Dallas shooting was a veteran.

Don't miss the point. More people to stir the pot.

[phill4paul]

If you had half a pea sized brain you would be friends with and mentoring those "feral blacks".
Then not only would be free of the fear,, you would have allies.

Bikers were murderd in Waco.. Gays in Orlando,, and the Bundy's are POW's with no trial or Charges.
All at the hands of Police.

and you are denigrating folks that have had enough.

I was pissed enough behind Lavoy's Murder that I was tempted to take arms.. (but not yet)

I will not speak ill of any who take the fight back to them.

Don't forget the Branch Davidians. The only common thread is that those that did the killing wore a government uniform.

[pcosmar]

Don't forget the Branch Davidians. The only common thread is that those that did the killing wore a government uniform.

And I believe that common threat outweighs all others.

I am not at all surprised to see a backlash against systematic abuse and violence.

[Proph]

According to one of the cops who gave a speech a day after the Houston shooting, cognitive dissonance is a desirable trait. He even quoted F. Scott Fitzgerald to reinforce his assertion:


"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function."

From a public post on Tracebook's trending section:


"I'm as much for our right to peaceful assembly as everyone else, and maybe more than most, but right now, I am looking at another cop attack, 3 killed, 3 wounded, and this HAS to stop at ALL COSTS, including the right to peaceful assembly. I don't care if they have to enforce Martial Law in these cities. These protests, even the peaceful ones, have to stop for a period of time, and anyone who does not believe this should be the case is not thinking. Freedom is only valuable if we have law and order, and although I understand this is a minute percentage of people doing this, the cops become sitting ducks at these protests, and these murderous fucks need to be weeded out first!!"

Someone was listening. The unabashed hypocrisy from this user is dumbfoundingly amazing. I don't think this shooting even happened at a protest.

Violence begets more violence, thus ultimately isn't the answer, however, incidents like this would likely still happen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Himmler) even if citizens managed to remain calm and patient in the face of their oppression. In either occurrence, there are plenty of "patriotic(k)" Amerikuns who will clamor for more governmental intervention and further revocations of rights, completely oblivious to the possibility of democide which almost inevitably ensues.

Abolishing victimless "crimes" -- and, eventually, taxation -- will do more to combat police brutality and "officer-involved shootings" than expanding the Police State via martial law. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen as long as police continue to abandon their oaths to uphold the Constitution. "Just doing (my/our/their) job" is a pathetic excuse, and totally negates the inherent intent of checks and balances, assuming police are even permitted by the document in the first place.


“But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.”

-Lysander Spooner

Not to make light of this tragedy, but I wonder if plunder is finally becoming more painful and dangerous than labor... (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html)

[TheTexan]

Are the Officers OK?

[tod evans]

Are the Officers OK?

No they're not...

You'll need to lower all your flags to half mast.

[pcosmar]

Are the Officers OK?

Only the ones who lose their badges,, Walk away, and hide their identity.

The rest will at some point become targets of Collective Rage.
and they have been diligently arranging that eventual confrontation.

I am not the only one who sees it.

I'll watch,, for now.

[goldenequity]

7 officers shot, 3 dead

A family friend of Montrell Jackson said he was one of the officers killed in #BatonRouge.
He and his wife just had a baby in March.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnlnpCtWgAEDnjD.jpg

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr55/goldenequity/jackson.jpg

===================

UPDATE – 3:33 p.m. – There is now a GoFundMe for Montrell Jackson’s family (https://www.gofundme.com/2exp2qs).

[AuH20]

Milwaukee officer shot in squad car. More details to follow.

http://www.wisn.com/news/officer-shot-on-milwaukees-south-side/40749004

[AuH20]

this one warms my cockles.

754719117387575296

[pcosmar]

Feral blacks are a lost cause. They rape, kill and steal with reckless abandon (as illustrated by the federal crime statistics) & then complain when they are being unfairly targeted by the omnipotent state enforcers? We're talking about a special case of dumb. Like I said before, both parties are no good. We have one group that refuses to be held accountable for their own criminal actions and then another group that likes intimidating and extorting their fellow citizens for a few shekels.

Could you first define Feral Black.. as a Feral White I might be confused..

I don't keep up on all the latest slurs.

(as illustrated by the federal crime statistics)
Created and composed by who again? Or are you proposing/endorsing or otherwise condoning the existence of such.

Cuz it sounds like you like/want more Federal Police.

[AuH20]

Could you first define Feral Black.. as a Feral White I might be confused..

I don't keep up on all the latest slurs.
(as illustrated by the federal crime statistics)

Created and composed by who again? Or are you proposing/endorsing or otherwise condoning the existence of such.

Cuz it sounds like you like/want more Federal Police.

A feral black is an individual that suffered stunted development at an early age who is unable to reconcile anxiety like mature individuals. Imagine the 'Id' running wild with no restraints. For example, a young child sees a peer with a lollipop and acts upon the impulse to take it. Now transfer that type of corrosive mentality to a fully adult individual. There is no processing of empathy, only self-gratification.

[Pizzo]

A feral black is an individual that suffered stunted development at an early age who is unable to reconcile anxiety like mature individuals. Imagine the 'Id' running wild with no restraints. For example, a young child sees a peer with a lollipop and acts upon the impulsion to take it. Now transfer that mentality to a fully adult individual. There is no processing of empathy, only self-gratification.

Sounds more like a lot of government employees.

[BamaAla]

Fox News was just saying this guy may have been a member of a sovereign citizen group?

[tod evans]

Fox News was just saying this guy may have been a member of a sovereign citizen group?

Boogity-boogity!

[pcosmar]

For example, a young child sees a peer with a lollipop and acts upon the impulse to take it. Now transfer that type of corrosive mentality to a fully adult individual. There is no processing of empathy, only self-gratification.

Sounds like something the state does. (Tax,land, resources)
likely learned from that state. skool

[pcosmar]

Fox News was just saying this guy may have been a member of a sovereign citizen group?

Well Faux will say anything.

is there anything to suggest such?

or did the man just realize his sovereignty?

[torchbearer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfjTZLxekig
Zeitgeist

[torchbearer]

C'mon c'mon, c'mon c'mon
On those Saturdays when kids go out and play,
Yo I was up in my room I let the stereo blaze,
Wasn't faded, not jaded
Just a kid with a pad and pen and a big imagination.
All this, I seek,
I find I push the envelope to the line,
Make it, break it, take it
Until I'm overrated.

Click, click boom.
I'm coming down on the stereo,
Hear me on the radio,
Click, click boom.
I'm coming down with the new style and you know it's buck wild.
Click, click boom
I'm on the radio station touring round the nation,
Leaving the scene in devastation.

I can see it in my mind,
I can see it in their eyes.
It's close enough to touch it now,
But far away enough to die.

What the hell is wrong with me?
My mom and dad weren't perfect,
But still you don't hear no cryin' ass bitchin' from me,
Like there seems to be on everybody's CD
So just sit back and relax and let me have your head for a minute,
I can show you something in it,
That has yet to be presented,
Oh yeah!

Click, click boom.
I'm coming down on the stereo,
Hear me on the radio,
Click, click boom.
I'm coming down with the new style and you know it's buck wild.
Click, click boom
I'm on the radio station touring round the nation,
Leaving the scene in devastation.

Why have I clouded up my mind,
Why's my mother always right,
And will I make it to the end?
Or will I crawl away and die?

Click, click, boom.
Click, click boom.
Click, click boom.
Click, click boom.

On those Saturday when kids go out and play yo I was up in my room
I let the stereo blaze on Saturdays
When kids go out and play, I was up in my room
I let the stereo blaze
It's all inside of me
It's all inside of me
It's all inside of me
It's all inside of my head.
It's all inside of me
It's coming over me.
It's all inside of me
It's all inside my head, yeah!
Click, click boom
I'm coming down on the stereo hear me on the radio.
Click click boom
I'm comin' down with the new style you know it's buck wild.
Everybody, everybody come on (C'mon, c'mon)
Everybody come on (C'mon, c'mon)
Click click boom
C'mon, c'mon, everybody c'mon, click click boom
Click click boom!

[torchbearer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxyzmGQPIFshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxyzmGQPIFs

[torchbearer]

If you feel so empty
So used up, so let down
If you feel so angry
So ripped off, so stepped on
You're not the only one
Refusing to back down
You're not the only one
So get up

Let's start a riot, a riot
Let's start a riot
Let's start a riot, a riot
Let's start a riot

If you feel so filthy
So dirty, so fucked up
If you feel so walked on
So painful, so pissed off
You're not the only one
Refusing to go down
You're not the only one
So get up

Let's start a riot, a riot
Let's start a riot
Let's start a riot, a riot
Let's start a riot

If you feel so empty
So used up, so let down
If you feel so angry
Just get up

Let's start a riot, a riot
Let's start a riot
Let's start a riot, a riot
Let's start a riot

Let's start a riot, a riot
Let's start a riot
Let's start a riot, a riot
Let's start a riot

Let's start a riot, a riot
Let's start a riot

[pcosmar]

Zeitgeist

A subject that is more suited to another sub-forum..

The spirit of the age?

I think there are a few of them and all nasty.
It does seem leashed evil has been unleashed.

[torchbearer]

And with the early dawn
Moving right along
I couldn't buy and eyeful of sleep
And in the aching night under satellites
I was not received
Built with stolen parts
A telephone in my heart
Someone get me a priest
To put my mind to bed
This ringing in my head
Is this a cure or is this a disease

Nail in my hand
From my creator
You gave me life
Now show me how to live

Nail in my hand
From my creator
You gave me life
Now show me how to live

And in the after birth
On the quiet earth
Let the stains remind you
You thought you made a man
You better think again
Before my role defines you

Nail in my hand
From my creator
You gave me life
Now show me how to live

Nail in my hand
From my creator
You gave me life
Now show me how to live

And in your waiting hands
I will land
And roll out of my skin
And in your final hours I will stand
Ready to begin

Nail in my hand
From my creator
You gave me life
Now show me how to live

Nail in my hand
From my creator
You gave me life
Now show me how to live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVXIK1xCRpY

[torchbearer]

A subject that is more suited to another sub-forum..

The spirit of the age?

I think there are a few of them and all nasty.
It does seem leashed evil has been unleashed.


immoral laws lead to immoral outcomes. In the stages of this disease, we are getting close to the final stages. rejoice.

[goldenequity]

UPDATE – 4:33 p.m. – Gavin Long’s Facebook profile was scrubbed, but this picture survived…

http://29wyu31qhvsjwj4mf2oi5lg1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/gavin-long.jpg

[JK/SEA]

my conspiricy theory goes something like this...

Gavin was an open carry advocate just doing a walk around with his rifle, when cops came screaming in, and startled Gavin, who instantly went into survival mode, then cops started shooting first...messy day.

[goldenequity]

BARELY....
'rescued' video
before facebook 'scrubbed' it.... I watched the 'salvage' operation in real time.
The PUBLIC (as in US/the people) are going to have to FIGHT
for every second of footage to be disseminated and quickly uploaded & re-distributed...
before our 'watchers' descend/confiscate and detain to control the narrative.
Anyway
Here it is:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_7SFEXtEtw#t=64

[TommyJeff]

UPDATE – 4:33 p.m. – Gavin Long’s Facebook profile was scrubbed, but this picture survived…

http://29wyu31qhvsjwj4mf2oi5lg1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/gavin-long.jpg

did he scrub it prior to today or was it scrubbed today by someone else?

[goldenequity]

did he scrub it prior to today or was it scrubbed today by someone else?

It's now a RACE...
every time.
It's between the 'watchers'/censors and the public.
It gets scrubbed by our 'keepers'...
the gov't watchdogs within the orgs: Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Instagram, Google etc.
It usually comes down to police scanners and people monitoring the Hz bandwidths
for tactical and swat plus all the networks and social media.
It is LITERALLY seconds.... not minutes...
between the time something is 'disclosed' or uploaded... whether a name or address or film footage etc...
and
the race is on to quash and censor or re-send and publicize.

[puppetmaster]

People who want no law and order in the society we have want chaos and death. 1000 times worse than what we have now.

[puppetmaster]

If the laws are not enforced or if there is no fear of enforcement then you have chaos in or society. I could defend for a while but eventually I would be overrun. I do not want to sacrifice my children. I personally am OK with some rules.....rape murder etc. Not all cops are bad..not all are good. I am not a collectivist.

I think in the cycle of our civilization we are going into a bad place.

[AuH20]

If the laws are not enforced or if there is no fear of enforcement then you have chaos in or society. I could defend for a while but eventually I would be overrun. I do not want to sacrifice my children. I personally am OK with some rules.....rape murder etc. Not all cops are bad..not all are good. I am not a collectivist.

I think in the cycle of our civilization we are going into a bad place.

Government has entangled far too many people in each other's demons. The detachment phase is going to be brutal.

In the old days, if you made a grievous mistake it didn't affect 20 million people. Thanks to government centralization the pain is now intentionally distributed for control purposes.

[otherone]

Could you first define Feral Black.. as a Feral White I might be confused..

I don't keep up on all the latest slurs.



fe·ral (fîr′əl, fĕr′-)
adj.
1.
a. Existing in a wild or untamed state.
b. Having returned to an untamed state from domestication.
2. Of or suggestive of a wild animal; savage

It's a term used for animals.
Our Goldwater is saying that blacks have become undomesticated.

[puppetmaster]

immoral laws lead to immoral outcomes. In the stages of this disease, we are getting close to the final stages. rejoice. which laws are moral?

[torchbearer]

which laws are moral?


Have you read Bastiat's The Law?
Those laws which extend from our own rights of self defense are moral.
Those laws which don't are immoral.

[phill4paul]

People who want no law and order in the society we have want chaos and death. 1000 times worse than what we have now.

Government law and order =/= abandonment to chaos and death. Voluntary interactions can achieve lawful interactivity without government. Death is inevitable and government tends to create more of it than individuals that interact.

[cajuncocoa]

//

[Occam's Banana]

Have you read Bastiat's The Law?
Those laws which extend from our own rights of self defense are moral.
Those laws which don't are immoral.

Indeed ...

http://i.imgur.com/sb07eV0.png

[pcosmar]

fe·ral (fîr′əl, fĕr′-)
adj.
1.
a. Existing in a wild or untamed state.
b. Having returned to an untamed state from domestication.
2. Of or suggestive of a wild animal; savage

It's a term used for animals.

Our Goldwater is saying that blacks have become undomesticated.

Dehumanization. I have seen that before.

Existing in a wild or untamed state.
and I have never claimed any more than housebroke.

[cajuncocoa]

//

[AuH20]

Dehumanization. I have seen that before.

and I have never claimed any more than housebroke.

You are ascribing a non-applicable concept to a emotional negligence problem during the formative years. Secondly, if I was intent on destroying and dehumanizing blacks as you suggest, I would endorse abortion on demand policies, which predominantly target African Americans. It is my belief that every individual shall be given a choice no matter how dire their future appears.

Whites can be just as feral and sociopathic as criminal blacks if you introduce the same elements during the formative years. A fair segment of urban blacks have become feral and all the underhanded alt right criticisms can't change this unfortunate reality. The statistics just jump off the page in a shocking manner.

[charrob]

Police killer revealed as former US Marine Gavin Long:



Long - who was killed at the scene – served in the Marines for five years from August 2005 to August 2010 and was deployed to Iraq from June 2008 to January 2009. CBS News reported that Long left the Marines with an honourable discharge in 2010 with the rank of sergeant. Long was on the University of Alabama dean's honour list in 2012, school records show. There was no criminal record for him in Missouri.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/690426/Police-killer-Gavin-Eugene-Long-Baton-Rouge-Louisiana-shootings

[cajuncocoa]

//

[kahless]

You know what else jumps off the page? The bigotry and racism of those in the alt-right movement.

Do you ever get tired of playing that card?

[pcosmar]

You are ascribing a non-applicable concept to a emotional negligence problem during the formative years. Secondly, if I was intent on destroying and dehumanizing blacks as you suggest, I would endorse abortion on demand policies, which predominantly target African Americans. It is my belief that every individual shall be given a choice no matter how dire their future appears.

Whites can be just as feral and sociopathic as criminal blacks if you introduce the same elements during the formative years. A fair segment of urban blacks have become feral and all the underhanded alt right criticisms can't change this unfortunate reality. The statistics just jump off the page in a shocking manner.

Damn,, where have I heard that shit before.

Oh yeah,, Debates in College (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_State_Penitentiary) perhaps,

I just hate to see such given credence out here.

[moostraks]

Do you ever get tired of playing that card?

Looking like someone needs their safe space so they don't have to worry about being called racist.

[AuH20]

Damn,, where have I heard that $#@! before.

Oh yeah,, Debates in College (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_State_Penitentiary) perhaps,

I just hate to see such given credence out here.

What credence? That one particular group kills each other at an alarming rate. What is so taboo about saying this? It's like someone coming up to me and showing me the surging white obesity rates. I'm not offended because the empirical evidence shows it to be true.

People take this stuff so personal because they have been programmed to react in a particular manner and not think.

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[AuH20]

Looking like someone needs their safe space so they don't have to worry about being called racist.

Do you even know what racism is? Socially unpopular criticism does not automatically meet the criteria of racism.

[pcosmar]

What credence?

I give no credence to your statistics,, because I give no credence to the source of those statistics.

I have heard these debates before.. In Prison. (the real world)

They are the Aryan and K"s argument.
I refuted arguments and survived contracts.

I have lived with the worst of society. Black and White.

these lame arguments are so 80's..

and they closed my school.

[AuH20]

I give no credence to your statistics,, because I give no credence to the source of those statistics.

I have heard these debates before.. In Prison. (the real world)

They are the Aryan and K"s argument.
I refuted arguments and survived contracts.

I have lived with the worst of society. Black and White.

these lame arguments are so 80's..

and they closed my school.

Ok. So it's all an elaborate ruse to keep the black man down? :)

Someone or something is killing black men at a staggering pace. The bodies being stacked in the city morgue aren't getting there themselves. Now you can live in your 'hear no evil, see no evil' world and imagine that we don't have a serious problem, but until the problem is identified, it cannot be solved. Despite popular belief, there is no magical 'gotcha' moment for one race over another if the problem is identified. Less generational black on black violence is good for the entire population because it removes one more bullet from the arsenal of big government.

[phill4paul]

Ok. So it's all an elaborate ruse to keep the black man down? :)

Someone or something is killing black men at a staggering pace. The bodies being stacked in the city morgue aren't getting there themselves. Now you can live in your 'hear no evil, see no evil' world and imagine that we don't have a serious problem, but until the problem is identified, it cannot be solved. Despite popular belief, there is no magical 'gotcha' moment for one race over another if the problem is identified. Less generational black on black violence is good for the entire population because it removes one more bullet from the arsenal of big government.

What is the problem identified? It's people in uniform representing the government. It's drug laws and social engineering. You don't oppose those that have been engineered for a purpose, you oppose that which that do the engineering. It's really not too hard to understand.

[moostraks]

What credence? That one particular group kills each other at an alarming rate. What is so taboo about saying this? It's like someone coming up to me and showing me the surging white obesity rates. I'm not offended because the empirical evidence shows it to be true.

People take this stuff so personal because they have been programmed to react in a particular manner and not think.


1. 84 percent of white murder victims were white
The FBI’s homicide statistics, rallying murders for the 28 years between 1980 and 2008, don’t lie. An overwhelming majority of homicides were carried out by white people, against other white people. Even though the ratio of black homicides against black victims is greater, the number of white murderers far exceeds the number of black murderers. The fact that no media outlet will say the words “white-on-white murder” despite this statistic shows a desire to bend words to confirm racist viewpoints.

2. Whites kill more whites than black people kill each other
In 2011, the most recent year for which data is available, 2,630 white people killed 3,172 white people, according to FBI homicide statistics. When comparing that to the black population, in which 2,447 African-Americans murdered 2,695 of their own, white-on-white murder is clearly the bigger issue.

3. White people commit more crimes than any other race
White people are the largest demographic in the United States, and as a result, commit more crimes than any other race, largely against other white people. 2010 crime statistics from the FBI confirm that whites lead blacks by 2-1 in arrests, and lead all other ethnicities by 2-1 in incidents of forcible rape (66.3 percent of rapes were committed by whites, while 31 percent were committed by blacks). White people also lead black people by 2-1 in larceny-theft: 64.8 percent of thieves are white, while only 31.9 percent of thieves are black.

4. White people kill more members of vulnerable populations than any other race
Vulnerable populations are generally defined as children and the elderly. Family members and significant others are also often targets of homicide, rather than random victims. FBI homicide statistics from 1980 to 2008 show that white people are, by the numbers, far more likely to kill children and the elderly than any other race. Additionally, white people commit more sex-related and gang-related homicides than any other race.

5. Gang murders are most common among white gangs
While a lot of attention has been given to the gang-related homicides in Chicago’s predominantly-black South side, very little press has been devoted to covering the epidemic of white-on-white gangland murders. As the above chart demonstrates, the majority of gang-related homicides are committed by white people (53.3 percent white, 42.2 percent black), and the majority of white gang murder victims are also white (56.5 percent white, 40 percent black). Have this fact handy the next time someone bemoans “black-on-black” gang violence...http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/black-on-black-crime/

Since you were all about the statistics. ;)

[moostraks]

Do you even know what racism is? Socially unpopular criticism does not automatically meet the criteria of racism.

Found y'all one:

https://i.imgflip.com/v3egr.jpg

Socially unpopular criticism does not automatically meet the criteria for racism but when it does nowadays expect the knuckle-dragging Neanderthal who espouses said racist ideas to palm off their hate filled beliefs as being enlightened, based on statistical data, and a necessary belief to maintain the liberty of the society the Neanderthal inhabits.

[AuH20]

http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/black-on-black-crime/

Since you were all about the statistics. ;)

On those bullet points, they are largely extrapolating aggregate totals from a race classification that makes up approximately 63% of a country composed of 320 million. Whites should commit more crimes due to their sheer size as opposed to a 17% black population. There are roughly 3.7 times more non-Hispanic whites than Blacks.

Let's look at the numbers ratioed out against the rest of the population as well as their white counterparts:

In 2013, black people were six times more likely than a non-black to commit murder.

In 2013, black people were 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race...

In 2013, there were about 660,000 crimes of interracial violence involving blacks and whites. Of those 660,000 crimes, blacks were the perpetrators 85% of the time.

[silverhandorder]

BLM and their apologists are getting into late stage discredited mode. They are becoming completely mental at any push back. This is what we saw with occupy too.

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[moostraks]

On those bullet points, they are largely extrapolating aggregate totals from a race classification that makes up approximately 63% of a country composed of 320 million. Whites should commit more crimes due to their sheer size as opposed to a 17% black population. There are roughly 3.7 times more non-Hispanic whites than Blacks.

Let's look at the numbers ratioed out against the rest of the population as well as their white counterparts:

In 2013, black people were six times more likely than a non-black to commit murder.

In 2013, black people were 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race...

In 2013, there were about 660,000 crimes of interracial violence involving blacks and whites. Of those 660,000 crimes, blacks were the perpetrators 85% of the time.

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/S/p/Q/2/palin-whoosh.jpg

The link was intentional to pointing out stroking statistics to drive a different narrative and it is stated in the 5 points that the white population is larger. Perhaps when white America stops murdering, raping, extorting, and committing random acts of violence then it can sit in judgement of others offering proven tactics to achieve peaceful communities. As it stands, it is a bit hypocritical to worry about the length of the neighbor's grass when one's own needs cutting.

[AuH20]

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/S/p/Q/2/palin-whoosh.jpg

The link was intentional to pointing out stroking statistics to drive a different narrative and it is stated in the 5 points that the white population is larger. Perhaps when white America stops murdering, raping, extorting, and committing random acts of violence then it can sit in judgement of others offering proven tactics to achieve peaceful communities. As it stands, it is a bit hypocritical to worry about the length of the neighbor's grass when one's own needs cutting.

When American politicians falsely attribute gun violence committed largely by blacks in inner cities to whites, I think it becomes our problem.
When American politicians use it as a driving force to expand the prison industrial complex with tax dollars, I think it becomes our problem.
When American politicians exploit current events as an excuse to federalize the police and expand the scope of the federal government, I think it becomes our problem.

For whatever reason, inner city blacks are denying reality while they destroy each other over baubles, footwear, a dead end drug culture and temporary satisfaction. In this world, the only constant mechanism of control lies within the individual. Yes, many negative external factors are pitted against the black population, but the wise man avoids those traps.

Ultimately, nothing will change until the black population changes takes a hard look at the situation and makes a serious cost benefit analysis. If I could somehow reform the criminal justice system and downgrade the cops to meter maid status nationally, I strongly suspect many of the same problems would continue unabated.

[Ender]

When American politicians falsely attribute gun violence committed largely by blacks in inner cities to whites, I think it becomes our problem.
When American politicians use it as a driving force to expand the prison industrial complex with tax dollars, I think it becomes our problem.
When American politicians exploit current events as an excuse to federalize the police and expand the scope of the federal government, I think it becomes our problem.

For whatever reason, inner city blacks are denying reality while they destroy each other over baubles, footwear, a dead end drug culture and temporary satisfaction. In this world, the only constant mechanism of control lies within the individual. Yes, many negative external factors are pitted against the black population, but the wise man avoids those traps.

Ultimately, nothing will change until the black population changes takes a hard look at the situation and makes a serious cost benefit analysis. If could somehow reform the criminal justice system and downgrade the cops to meter maid status nationally, I strongly suspect many of the same problems would continue unabated.

The blacks were stronger than whites in marriage. with higher percentages of families with both parents, and as workers, before the Civil Rights Act of 1964. This destroyed the solid black families, along with minimum wage laws etc. 70% of the workers in the 1950s were black.

Most of the crime is caused by no income combined with the WoD. Get rid of the false "entitlements", minimum wage etc and the WoD, and watch the crime rate sink into oblivion for most all people.

[pcosmar]

When American politicians falsely attribute gun violence
When American politicians use it
When American politicians exploit current events


Gee,,
I think I see the problem.

we need to get rid of the American politicians.

[AuH20]

The blacks were stronger than whites in marriage. with higher percentages of families with both parents, and as workers, before the Civil Rights Act of 1964. This destroyed the solid black families, along with minimum wage laws etc. 70% of the workers in the 1950s were black.

Most of the crime is caused by no income combined with the WoD. Get rid of the false "entitlements", minimum wage etc and the WoD, and watch the crime rate sink into oblivion for most all people.

Get them out of the poisonous cities. I agree with the Black Panthers on this. And Bundy was right too about this.

[cajuncocoa]

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[silverhandorder]

They always lived in the cities. That's irrelevant. If you got rid of the other problems Ender spoke about, cities would thrive again as they once did before whites ran away frightened of having to sit/work/eat/go to school next to black people when the Civil Rights Act was passed.

Expand on this. You are sounding more erratic everyday.

To me it sounds that you acknowledge that cities are worse and blame whites for not wanting to be in them. Btw I live in both and cities are much worse.

[AuH20]

They always lived in the cities. That's irrelevant. If you got rid of the other problems Ender spoke about, cities would thrive again as they once did before whites ran away frightened of having to sit/work/eat/go to school next to black people when the Civil Rights Act was passed.

Not true. They were pretty stable before they migrated North into the cities.

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[silverhandorder]

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/915/822/7b2.jpg

ROFL I got to you when I kept pointing out when you triggered. You are hilarious.

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[silverhandorder]

You didn't get to me at all, but it's funny to see how easily YOU get triggered. LOL
Yeah I am done replying to you after I expose you.

[AuH20]

Define your pronouns please.

Also, what time frame are you speaking of...when was this stability before the migration took place?

Blacks maintained a stable community before they migrated North and to the West. As soon as they became entrenched into the cities, slowly their personal deterioration began.

http://www.blackpast.org/aah/great-migration-1915-1960

http://pix-media.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/1120/image05.png

http://pix-media.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/1120/image07a.png

[cajuncocoa]

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[cajuncocoa]

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[asurfaholic]

All this bickering of blacks vs white is exactly what the govt (aka elites) desire to see. When the focus is on which race is less shitty they can do thier dirty deeds unnoticed.

Until we (RPF) can unite on what the problems really are, and move towards a common goal this place will never be able to be anything more productive than a bicker forum with a decent funny pictures thread.

Come on now you people, focus.

Join me in commenting on the many news website comment sections. Post facts that that unite blacks and whites in LIBERTY. It's a perfect opportunity, don't let your personal biases let the chance to point out to people that police violence is a everyone problem blow away like dust in the wind.

[puppetmaster]

Have you read Bastiat's The Law?
Those laws which extend from our own rights of self defense are moral.
Those laws which don't are immoral. yes I agree but who enforces the law?

[CaptUSA]

All this bickering of blacks vs white is exactly what the govt (aka elites) desire to see. When the focus is on which race is less $#@!ty they can do thier dirty deeds unnoticed.

Until we (RPF) can unite on what the problems really are, and move towards a common goal this place will never be able to be anything more productive than a bicker forum with a decent funny pictures thread.

Come on now you people, focus.

Join me in commenting on the many news website comment sections. Post facts that that unite blacks and whites in LIBERTY. It's a perfect opportunity, don't let your personal biases let the chance to point out to people that police violence is a everyone problem blow away like dust in the wind.

+ Rep

This whole thing is a government issue - not a race issue. It just shows up in poorer communities first and people (on all sides) mistake it for a race issue.

Use these events to show people the incarceration rates of the US. Use them to talk about the militarization of government union employees. Use them to talk about natural rights and natural law. Use them to talk about how much money and wealth is being confiscated from communities through fines and extortion fees.

There is an opportunity that comes from these tragedies - don't blow it.

[puppetmaster]

They always lived in the cities. That's irrelevant. If you got rid of the other problems Ender spoke about, cities would thrive again as they once did before whites ran away frightened of having to sit/work/eat/go to school next to black people when the Civil Rights Act was passed. so many fails in this post

[Ender]

+ Rep

This whole thing is a government issue - not a race issue. It just shows up in poorer communities first and people (on all sides) mistake it for a race issue.

Use these events to show people the incarceration rates of the US. Use them to talk about the militarization of government union employees. Use them to talk about natural rights and natural law. Use them to talk about how much money and wealth is being confiscated from communities through fines and extortion fees.

There is an opportunity that comes from these tragedies - don't blow it.

Yep.

[Ender]

Blacks maintained a stable community before they migrated North and to the West. As soon as they became entrenched into the cities, slowly their personal deterioration began.

http://www.blackpast.org/aah/great-migration-1915-1960

http://pix-media.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/1120/image05.png

http://pix-media.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/1120/image07a.png

BUT- the Blacks thrived in the cities, had stronger families, were the major part of the workforce UNTIL the 1960s & LBJ's Civil Rights Act. This pretty much destroyed them.

[moostraks]

When American politicians falsely attribute gun violence committed largely by blacks in inner cities to whites, I think it becomes our problem.
When American politicians use it as a driving force to expand the prison industrial complex with tax dollars, I think it becomes our problem.
When American politicians exploit current events as an excuse to federalize the police and expand the scope of the federal government, I think it becomes our problem.

For whatever reason, inner city blacks are denying reality while they destroy each other over baubles, footwear, a dead end drug culture and temporary satisfaction. In this world, the only constant mechanism of control lies within the individual. Yes, many negative external factors are pitted against the black population, but the wise man avoids those traps.

Ultimately, nothing will change until the black population changes takes a hard look at the situation and makes a serious cost benefit analysis. If I could somehow reform the criminal justice system and downgrade the cops to meter maid status nationally, I strongly suspect many of the same problems would continue unabated.


...Between 1963 and 2010, 73 percent of gun deaths in America were among Whites — more than 1 million deaths. Large numbers of White parents have borne the terrible burden of losing their child to guns: Whites comprised 62 percent of child and teen gun deaths between 1963 and 2010 — exceeding 100,000 deaths.

In 2010, 65 percent of gun deaths among Americans of all ages were among non-Hispanic Whites, as were 34 percent of gun deaths among children and teens. Gun deaths were the second leading cause of death for non-Hispanic White children and teens that year, second only to motor vehicle accidents, and the fourth leading cause of death among non-Hispanic Whites ages 1 to 64 after cancers, heart disease, and non-gun accidents.

...The total of 31,328 people of all ages who died from guns in 2010 included 20,427 Whites, 7,291 Blacks, 2,943 Latinos, 378 Asian-Americans, and 289 American Indians and Alaska Natives.

Dying from guns
Gun violence is a White problem because most gun death victims in America are White. Gun violence is a Black problem because Blacks are disproportionately more likely to be gun death victims... http://daytonatimes.com/2013/03/gun-violence-a-bigger-problem-for-white-americans/

Not sure whom this "our" is you are referring to, I feel you and I see society through completely different lenses, but while you are busy pointing fingers at inner city blacks for gun violence, over the last 50ish years, 73% of gun deaths were white it seems.(stats coming from children's defense fund)

Perhaps time would be better spent addressing:

... Suicides by gun accounted for about six of every 10 firearm deaths in 2010 and just over half of all suicides, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Since the CDC began publishing data in 1981, gun suicides have outnumbered gun homicides. But as gun homicides have declined sharply in recent years, suicides have become a greater share of all firearm deaths: the 61% share in 2010 was the highest on record. That year there were 19,392 suicides by firearm compared to 11,078 homicides by gun (35% of all firearm deaths). The rest were accidents, police shootings and unknown causes.

In terms of both raw numbers and population rates, gun suicides have been on the rise in recent years, even as gun homicides have fallen. In 2010, the gun suicide rate was 6.3 per 100,000 people, compared with 3.6 per 100,000 for gun homicides.

At 87%, males are the vast majority of gun suicides. By age group, people 65 and older have the highest firearm suicide rate: 10.6 per 100,000 people...http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/24/suicides-account-for-most-gun-deaths/

But then, that would require one to stop pointing fingers at one community which is being made scapegoat on this issue.

[moostraks]

Blacks maintained a stable community before they migrated North and to the West. As soon as they became entrenched into the cities, slowly their personal deterioration began.

http://www.blackpast.org/aah/great-migration-1915-1960

http://pix-media.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/1120/image05.png

http://pix-media.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/1120/image07a.png

Your link:

The economic motivations for migration were a combination of the desire to escape oppressive economic conditions in the south and the promise of greater prosperity in the north. Since their Emancipation from slavery, southern rural blacks had suffered in a plantation economy that offered little chance of advancement. While a few blacks were lucky enough to purchase land, most were sharecroppers, tenant farmers, or farm labors, barely subsiding from year to year. When World War I created a huge demand for workers in northern factories, many southern blacks took this opportunity to leave the oppressive economic conditions in the south. - See more at: http://www.blackpast.org/aah/great-migration-1915-1960#sthash.UIuQEuOk.dpuf

[moostraks]

Blacks maintained a stable community before they migrated North and to the West. As soon as they became entrenched into the cities, slowly their personal deterioration began.

http://www.blackpast.org/aah/great-migration-1915-1960

http://pix-media.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/1120/image05.png

http://pix-media.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/1120/image07a.png

And again, YOUR link:


In additional to migrating for job opportunities, blacks also moved north in order to escape the oppressive conditions of the south. Some of the main social factors for migration included lynching, an unfair legal system, inequality in education, and denial of suffrage. - See more at: http://www.blackpast.org/aah/great-migration-1915-1960#sthash.UIuQEuOk.dpuf

[AuH20]

And again, YOUR link:

The Jim Crow South is looking a whole lot better than decadent HUD housing projects, liquor stores on every corner and drug fueled violence.

[muh_roads]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/933/168/e5b.png

I've seen this face before. A co-worker has this guys gaming videos on his 2nd monitor all day. Is he some pussy bitch SJW or something?

[cajuncocoa]

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[puppetmaster]

Government law and order =/= abandonment to chaos and death. Voluntary interactions can achieve lawful interactivity without government. Death is inevitable and government tends to create more of it than individuals that interact. Maybe if there were few people on this planet. But let's just take the US. With 330 million people there would be massive death and destruction, the likes humans have never seen. To beleive otherwise is foolish. Guess what I am saying is, that as much as I would enjoy anarchy the realist comes out in me and tempers my thoughts.

[Occam's Banana]

Maybe if there were few people on this planet. But let's just take the US. With 330 million people there would be massive death and destruction, the likes humans have never seen. To beleive otherwise is foolish. Guess what I am saying is, that as much as I would enjoy anarchy the realist comes out in me and tempers my thoughts.

Bullshit. The state is, always has been, and always will be (so long as it continues to exist), the single greatest source of "massive death and destruction the likes of which humans have ever seen" - by many, many orders of magnitude ...

"The debate between statists and anti-statists is in my judgement not evenly matched. Defending the continued existence of the state, despite having absolute certainty of a corresponding continuation of its intrinsic engagement in extortion, robbery, willful destruction of wealth, assault, kidnapping, murder, and countless other crimes, requires that one imagine non-state chaos, disorder, and death on a scale that non-state actors seem completely incapable of causing." -- Robert Higgs, The State Is Too Dangerous to Tolerate (emphasis added)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RILDjo4EXV8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RILDjo4EXV8

What he said.

[TheTexan]

Maybe if there were few people on this planet. But let's just take the US. With 330 million people there would be massive death and destruction, the likes humans have never seen. To beleive otherwise is foolish. Guess what I am saying is, that as much as I would enjoy anarchy the realist comes out in me and tempers my thoughts.

+rep this exactly

Yes, without roads, this country would be complete and total chaos. Riots, fires, blood in the streets,,, err, well scratch that last one

But yes

Fortunately, we have government, to protect us

[moostraks]

The Jim Crow South is looking a whole lot better than decadent HUD housing projects, liquor stores on every corner and drug fueled violence.

Make America Great Again, eh? Feral blacks, right? Isn't that your take? Yeah, that Jim Crow south sure looks appealing to some, but it ain't who you're proposing finds the past so appealing.


http://youtu.be/JI-TpVmasc8

[AuH20]

Make America Great Again, eh? Feral blacks, right? Isn't that your take? Yeah, that Jim Crow south sure looks appealing to some, but it ain't who you're proposing finds the past so appealing.


http://youtu.be/JI-TpVmasc8

Like I said previously, I'd rather live in the Jim Crow South with my parcel of land, livestock and fresh air as opposed to ducking bullets and syringes in the boxlike urban ghettos. I'll take my chances with a few racists as opposed to the 24/7 encompassing culture of death.

Secondly, many people are naive to the fact that there are significant portions of the Northeast that are far more discriminatory than the South.

[moostraks]

Like I said previously, I'd rather live in the Jim Crow South with my parcel of land, livestock and fresh air as opposed to ducking bullets and syringes in the boxlike urban ghettos. I'll take my chances with a few racists as opposed to the 24/7 encompassing culture of death.

Secondly, many people are naive to the fact that there are significant portions of the Northeast that are far more discriminatory than the South.

Sure you'd like to live there. I don't fathom the racists narrative would weigh on you at all. I've done my time. If you ain't from around there, they don't want you and they will make damn sure you know it. In the south you ain't leaving behind the needles, they do that there, too. Nor will you stop dodging bullets. My next door neighbors in Alabama thought it great sport to shoot at their neighbors in an attempt to drive them off of their land. Bonus prize is the treatment by law enforcement and anyone else who isn't a transplant just because you aren't a local no matter how long you've lived on your cozy parcel (which is just about impossible to find without some bucktoothed yahoo harassing you with the zoning laws 'cause again you ain't from around there)

I've also done my time up in the North and yep, they are blatantly racist here as well, in pockets. They don't worry about keepin' up airs like they do down south. None of that hey sugar, let me fix you some sweet tea while I stab you in the back crap that is a dime a dozen down south. Blatant morons are much easier to avoid than back stabbing manipulators.

[P3ter_Griffin]

Baton Rouge Shooter Video '3 principles for my people' (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=31e_1468825401)

What more can be said then it is sad all around? It seems like the shooter had had enough. And who the hell am I to say 'just suffer a little more oppression, things will be better soon'? And that is not just in reference to black individuals but any individuals. The state is oppressive from its taxes and regulations to victimless-crime laws and militarized police these all have an effect of bringing a person down. And there is no bright horizon on the future that can be pointed to at this time. And on the other side you have three individuals whose children will never get to see them again. I sure as hell can't say these individuals deserved to die. As has already been stated this is a mess that the state and politicians have gotten us into. The only path I see forward is just to keep on keeping on spreading love and the truth and pray that our work will minimize bloodshed and bring about change.

[goldenequity]

State Police release shooter and weapons photos

http://www.brproud.com/news/local-news/state-police-release-disturbing-photos-of-baton-rouge-shooter-at-scene

$1,749.00 (https://grabagun.com/iwi-us-inc-tavor-sar-556nato-18-30rd-blk.html)

[puppetmaster]

Like I said previously, I'd rather live in the Jim Crow South with my parcel of land, livestock and fresh air as opposed to ducking bullets and syringes in the boxlike urban ghettos. I'll take my chances with a few racists as opposed to the 24/7 encompassing culture of death.

Secondly, many people are naive to the fact that there are significant portions of the Northeast that are far more discriminatory than the South. ditto. I lived in South but from west.....I was a transplant and they did notice but I had good relations and good business deals with them. Still do.

[puppetmaster]

Baton Rouge Shooter Video '3 principles for my people' (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=31e_1468825401)

What more can be said then it is sad all around? It seems like the shooter had had enough. And who the hell am I to say 'just suffer a little more oppression, things will be better soon'? And that is not just in reference to black individuals but any individuals. The state is oppressive from its taxes and regulations to victimless-crime laws and militarized police these all have an effect of bringing a person down. And there is no bright horizon on the future that can be pointed to at this time. And on the other side you have three individuals whose children will never get to see them again. I sure as hell can't say these individuals deserved to die. As has already been stated this is a mess that the state and politicians have gotten us into. The only path I see forward is just to keep on keeping on spreading love and the truth and pray that our work will minimize bloodshed and bring about change. why not go higher up the chain then? Chop the head off the snake.

[puppetmaster]

Bullshit. The state is, always has been, and always will be (so long as it continues to exist), the single greatest source of "massive death and destruction the likes of which humans have ever seen" - by many, many orders of magnitude ...

"The debate between statists and anti-statists is in my judgement not evenly matched. Defending the continued existence of the state, despite having absolute certainty of a corresponding continuation of its intrinsic engagement in extortion, robbery, willful destruction of wealth, assault, kidnapping, murder, and countless other crimes, requires that one imagine non-state chaos, disorder, and death on a scale that non-state actors seem completely incapable of causing." -- Robert Higgs, The State Is Too Dangerous to Tolerate (emphasis added)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RILDjo4EXV8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RILDjo4EXV8

What he said.

Sure the state is no saint but remember the state is the people. Human nature ain't so nice. Doesn't matter who gives the orders.

[P3ter_Griffin]

why not go higher up the chain then? Chop the head off the snake.

I often wonder the same in regards to war. I obviously can't speak for this guy. Maybe it is viewed as the current weak point? There are plenty of politicians to fall in line and keep the same shit going. Politicians are afforded greater security than police officers. If they hollow the ranks of police will people go to fill their shoes? I dunno man. Maybe they are just looking to spark a discussion?

[otherone]

What credence? That one particular group kills each other at an alarming rate. What is so taboo about saying this?

Because GROUPS don't kill anyone; individuals do. Race is not responsible.

[otherone]

Make America Great Again, eh? Feral blacks, right?

don't forget "uppity".

[pcosmar]

Nope. He's an alt-right gamer who can't relate to real women.

Ah,,
and the other is a Paladin
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Knights_of_the_Silver_Hand


The Knights of the Silver Hand (a.k.a. Order of the Knights of the Silver Hand, Order of the Silver Hand, or simply the Silver Hand and the Paladin Order[1]) was the order of paladins created after the First War by Uther the Lightbringer and Archbishop Alonsus Faol. The Silver Hand helped lead the Alliance of Lordaeron to victory in the Second War.

And yes I have played and Yes I do have a Level 100 Prot Pallie.

[cajuncocoa]

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[pcosmar]

My son plays too, but he's not alt-right. ;) I've got nothing against gamers.

Lot of politics in chat.

Folks did a Ron Paul Run across a world,, before I started playing.

[cajuncocoa]

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[Occam's Banana]

Sure the state is no saint but remember the state is the people.

The state is not the people. The state is some of the people (and a relative few at that).


Human nature ain't so nice. Doesn't matter who gives the orders.

If that is the case, then it's just one more reason why a monopoly on force (i.e. the state) should never be given over to the hands of a relative few. Doing so is what makes possible the "massive death and destruction the likes of which humans have ever seen" that you mentioned - and it does so on a scale which, as Higgs noted, non-state actors simply cannot hope to match (even if they wanted to).

[LibertyEagle]

Because GROUPS don't kill anyone; individuals do. Race is not responsible.

Ok. Black individuals murder other black individuals at an alarming rate.

Better?

[RandallFan]

Almost everyone of these shooters of cops are worthless to society in terms of what they did in their life until age 30 or 35. That's a huge PR problem for the anti-cop.

It's not like one of them was the best welder on the shop floor and they were driving home from work and their relative murdered by cops.


Young black men kill themselves as much as young white men.

This is the lack of logic in Black Lives Matter. The KKK can't go into a mostly black county, abduct a black person without a noise or scratches on the body and hang them in a tree.

There was only 2000 blacks lynched.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/07/18/obama_fans_the_flames_of_violence


CALLER: Here we go. What do you want to start with? Let's start with the (unintelligible) Black Lives Matter. I don't know how you guys can think that's a hate group. That's not a hate group. And the reason why so many people support that is because the Klan is still running around. Nobody gets to talk about that. That's what's got everybody pissed off.

Everybody scared about this ISIS, ISIS that. But the Klan's been here for how many years, and it's still running around doing what they want to do, and nobody cares about it? There's been 90 people lynched since 2013. Ninety. And there was one last week that they found in the park, they're trying to say he did it to himself. That's how people don't be caring about a lot of stuff that be going on, man, 'cause they're pissed off, and you guys go out of town or go out of the country to go get ISIS --

[cajuncocoa]

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[LibertyEagle]

So, are you saying that you don't agree with private property rights, Cajun?

[MelissaWV]

This is probably the most inappropriate tangent ever, but at least their signs are spelled correctly (and no, that's definitely not a racist dig; look at any protest or gathering...).

[pcosmar]

Ok. Black individuals murder other black individuals at an alarming rate.

Better?

Particularly in several large cities.

and Much of that related to the War on Drugs.

Prohibition, Disarmament, Police State

All are related,,

[cajuncocoa]

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[LibertyEagle]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/x2Iwa9LeuFM/maxresdefault.jpg

Looks like a lot of white privilege going on in these pictures. Not that anyone alive today is responsible for what's going on here, but if you can't at least acknowledge that it once existed....maybe some are too blind to see.

White privilege? Really? You mean private property rights? It's late and I am not interested in spending the time to look up the numbers from way back then, but here are some more current numbers. Perhaps this had something to do with it. Don't know. Do you?

From the CDC...

Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STD)
Gonorrhea

In 2010, 69% of all reported cases of gonorrhea occurred among blacks. The rate of gonorrhea among blacks in 2010 was 432.5 cases per 100,000 population, which was 18.7 times the rate among whites (23.1). This disparity has changed little in recent years. This disparity was larger for black men (22.2 times) than for black women (16.2 times).

Chlamydia

In 2010, the overall rate among blacks in the United States was 1,167.5 cases per 100,000, a 4.0% increase from the 2009 rate of 1,122.2 cases per 100,000. The rate of chlamydia among black women was over seven times the rate among white women (1,536.5 and 205.1 per 100,000 women, respectively). The chlamydia rate among black men was almost 11 times the rate among white men (761.8 and 69.9 cases per 100,000 men, respectively).
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/healthdisparities/africanamericans.html

[cajuncocoa]

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[LibertyEagle]

LE, is that the only picture you saw in that post? Is that the basis for some of you (you, LE?) wanting to return to Jim Crow laws? Is this what RPF has become?

You are the one talking about Jim Crow; not me. What I am focusing on is one of the pictures you chose to post and your apparent distress over private property rights. I find it curious; especially by someone who calls themselves "libertarian".

[LibertyEagle]

@LibertyEagle (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=660) I know you're obsessed with catching a disease from non-white people, so I found something that I *think* will demonstrate Jim Crow laws that wouldn't have anything to do with a fear of disease....just for you:
I said nothing of the sort. But, truthfulness doesn't appear to be your strong suit. What I did was to post numbers from the Center for Disease Control. You know... facts.


Unless you think White people could catch a disease from just sitting in those same seats the "Colored" people sat in at the theater. Maybe you do.
There you go again, showing your distress over private property rights. I think private property owners should have every right to determine who they will do business with and under what conditions. It is up to the customer to accept those conditions or take their business to someone they prefer doing business with. That is how things change and without government force.


I hope I'm not being too hard on you.
Nah, I'm half asleep and it's more than enough.

[AuH20]

Jim Crow south:
http://mtviewmirror.com/wp-content/uploads/segregation1.jpg




http://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/timeline/images/jimcrowbackground.jpg

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/02/150210_POL_KKKrally.jpg.CROP.promo-mediumlarge.jpg

http://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Black-lynching.png



https://i.ytimg.com/vi/x2Iwa9LeuFM/maxresdefault.jpg

Looks like a lot of white privilege going on in these pictures. Not that anyone alive today is responsible for what's going on here, but if you can't at least acknowledge that it once existed....maybe some are too blind to see.

It's still not worse than the hell they are currently being subjected to. The crime rates prove that to be true. In the Jim Crow South, blacks typically didn't live like caged hens in some filthy government housing project. They managed farms and raised their own crops. They also didn't have to watch for errant bullets when they took their children for a walk. Mortality rates were significantly lower back then, despite living in a white dominated region. Imagine that?

[TheCount]

Mortality rates were significantly lower back then, despite living in a white dominated region.

I'm sure that you have a source for this. Care to share it?



They also didn't have to watch for errant bullets when they took their children for a walk.

They just had to make sure that they were suitably respectful, didn't get too uppity, etc. or else they might be killed out of hand by whoever so desired, with little to no chance of consequences for their killers.

[Anti Federalist]

They just had to make sure that they were suitably respectful, didn't get too uppity, etc. or else they might be killed out of hand by whoever so desired, with little to no chance of consequences for their killers.

Now, that applies to all of us, when being dealt with by cops.

[TheCount]

Now, that applies to all of us, when being dealt with by cops.

You might even be able to get some of the "Jim Crow is great" crowd in here to agree with you on that, as they're all of the 'authoritarianism for thee but not for me' persuasion.

As if that's even possible.

[Todd]

Like I said previously, I'd rather live in the Jim Crow South with my parcel of land, livestock and fresh air as opposed to ducking bullets and syringes in the boxlike urban ghettos. I'll take my chances with a few racists as opposed to the 24/7 encompassing culture of death.

Secondly, many people are naive to the fact that there are significant portions of the Northeast that are far more discriminatory than the South.

spoken like someone who never had to deal with being a minority in the Jim Crow south.

[tod evans]

spoken like someone who never had to deal with being a minority in the Jim Crow south.

I've never had to deal with being a 'minority' anywhere, ever.........Except philosophically and morally...

Should I feel some kind of guilt or remorse because I don't.....

[Todd]

I've never had to deal with being a 'minority' anywhere, ever.........Except philosophically and morally...

Should I feel some kind of guilt or remorse because I don't.....

You are missing the point. I don't feel guilty for shit. I wasn't there either. But I'm not going to advocate living under a legal system of "active" collective discrimination as the poster suggested above.

[tod evans]

You are missing the point. I don't feel guilty for shit. I wasn't there either. But I'm not going to advocate living under a legal system of "active" collective discrimination as the poster suggested above.

I read where he said that he'd rather instead of he'd rather others did......

There's quite a difference.

[silverhandorder]

Ah,,
and the other is a Paladin
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Knights_of_the_Silver_Hand



And yes I have played and Yes I do have a Level 100 Prot Pallie.


My son plays too, but he's not alt-right. ;) I've got nothing against gamers.

One of these days if you pester me enough I will share the history of SHO. Young SHO was a magnificent beast to behold.

But I do feel strongly about the name otherwise I would not have kept it all these years.

[phill4paul]

Of course they are going to have to throw the 'sovereign citizen' canard into the mix...


Baton Rouge police shooter said he was ‘sovereign citizen’

The former Marine who killed three Baton Rouge, Louisiana, police officers identified with a growing movement that originated among white supremacists and whose adherents believe they’re immune to most state and federal laws, including paying taxes and getting driver’s licenses.

Gavin Long, a 29-year-old black man from Kansas City, Missouri, filed documents last year declaring himself a sovereign citizen, as a member of the United Washitaw de Dugdahmoundyah. Members of the mostly black group, which was founded in Louisiana, claim the government has no control over them and that they own much of the Louisiana Purchase land. Members have sold fake licenses, passports and license plates.

Nothing in that group’s ideology calls for violence, according to Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center. Potok added that he would hesitate to tie Long’s claimed connection to the Washitaw Nation with Sunday’s shooting because it appeared that Long was “shopping around” for an ideology, including once claiming he was a member of the Nation of Islam. Washitaw Nation spokesman, Fredrix Joe Washington, said he’d never heard of Long.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/baton-rouge-police-shooter-said-he-was-sovereign-citizen/2016/07/19/470f53f2-4d79-11e6-bf27-405106836f96_story.html

Funny how the SPLC doesn't seem to have a beef with a black sovereign citizen group.

[pcosmar]

Of course they are going to have to throw the 'sovereign citizen' canard into the mix...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/baton-rouge-police-shooter-said-he-was-sovereign-citizen/2016/07/19/470f53f2-4d79-11e6-bf27-405106836f96_story.html

Funny how the SPLC doesn't seem to have a beef with a black sovereign citizen group.

Not sure there are "groups", as anyone sovereign would be an individualist.

I know of no groups,, only people who believe something differently.

[Occam's Banana]

You are the one talking about Jim Crow; not me. What I am focusing on is one of the pictures you chose to post and your apparent distress over private property rights. I find it curious; especially by someone who calls themselves "libertarian".

But that picture was from the Jim Crow era, when property owners were forced by government edict to either refuse service to blacks altogether, or to provide "separate but equal" facilities (regardless of what the property owners themselves might have wished). Thus, such "whites only" signage is not necessarily a "libertarian" expression of individual property owners freely choosing to discriminate (though some of those individuals would without doubt have chosen to do so, even in the absence of "Jim Crow" mandates).

In fact, the odious legal doctrine of "separate but equal" arose as a direct consequence of railroads trying to save money by integrating passenger service (Plessy v. Ferguson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plessy_v._Ferguson)). The state of Louisiana forbade such integration in it's infamously unjust Separate Car Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separate_Car_Act) - leading to separate "whites only" and "blacks only" signs for passenger cars. These signs, however, indicated nothing about the actual desires of the property owners (i.e., the railroads), who had actually wanted to integrate the cars (thus resulting in the aforementioned injustice).


I think private property owners should have every right to determine who they will do business with and under what conditions. It is up to the customer to accept those conditions or take their business to someone they prefer doing business with. That is how things change and without government force.

I agree completely with the first two sentences. The problem is with the last sentence. Goverment force is, unfortunately, a major factor in these things - both in forcibly preventing people from doing business together as they see fit (as in the above referenced case of integrated rail passenger service) and in forcibly requiring people to do business together (as in the modern example of bakers being forced to make cakes - or photographers being forced to take pictures - for others). It's hard to change things by means of "live and let live" when the government won't let you "live and let live" ...

[RonPaulIsGreat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4oTAoOpW48 That is link to the shooters youtube channel.

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

[Danke]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgyfn_eHfoo

[Mr.NoSmile]

Now, that applies to all of us, when being dealt with by cops.

So welcome to the club in seeing what it's been like for some for years at a time.

[Weston White]

Obama was involved in and worked to cover-up Fast and Furious--to name just one such black-op. If anybody thinks this means anything to him, would do well to think again.

[Weston White]

I'm sure that you have a source for this. Care to share it?

Need you, just look into the mirror, there the stats you will find.


They just had to make sure that they were suitably respectful, didn't get too uppity, etc. or else they might be killed out of hand by whoever so desired, with little to no chance of consequences for their killers.

Hmmm... Sounds eerily familiar to the way things exist today, yes? Just ask one of the varying variety of gang-bangers that populate a portion of every major city throughout America.

[TheCount]

Need you, just look into the mirror, there the stats you will find.

I haven't bought in to the recent conservative trend to replace stats and logic with feelings. I still remember a day when conservatives derided liberals for valuing feelings over facts, and now it seems that both sides are in a competition for which can be more devoid of actual information and evidence.




Hmmm... Sounds eerily familiar to the way things exist today, yes?

If you're completely uninformed, I bet it's easy to compare the Jim Crow south to the present day, yes.

[Weston White]

I haven't bought in to the recent conservative trend to replace stats and logic with feelings. I still remember a day when conservatives derided liberals for valuing feelings over facts, and now it seems that both sides are in a competition for which can be more devoid of actual information and evidence.

This bears zero issue to the OP's reply, which itself is based in both fact and common sense. Over 50K homicides occur each year in the United States and most of that is gang related crime of "minorities" killing their own or others similar to them.


If you're completely uninformed, I bet it's easy to compare the Jim Crow south to the present day, yes.

Actually, no, it is not. Not at ALL. Period.

[TheCount]

This bears zero issue to the OP's reply, which itself is based in both fact and common sense.

In that case it should be easy for you to find at least one source that shows that black mortality rates have increased over the past 50 years.




Actually, no, it is not. Not at ALL. Period.

Well, I'm convinced.

[Weston White]

In that case it should be easy for you to find at least one source that shows that black mortality rates have increased over the past 50 years.

50-years? Segregation started in the 1860's, desegregation in the 1960's. ...Excluding the factor of medical advancements, etc., go view the FBI stats on annual homicides.


Well, I'm convinced.

Trolling as a troll do trolls.

[P3ter_Griffin]

This bears zero issue to the OP's reply, which itself is based in both fact and common sense. Over 50K homicides occur each year in the United States and most of that is gang related crime of "minorities" killing their own or others similar to them.

I think that number is closer to 17,000.

[P3ter_Griffin]

http://repository.cmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1137&context=hsshonors

According to the graph on page 32 (actual page number 30) the homicide rate per 100,000 was lower in 2013 (per google) than any year between 1900 and 1970.

[TheCount]

50-years? Segregation started in the 1860's, desegregation in the 1960's. ...Excluding the factor of medical advancements, etc., go view the FBI stats on annual homicides.

You'd prefer to go back 150 years? Go for it, see if that helps your case at all.


The homicide rate includes medical advancements too, you know, as it's an important determining factor as to whether or not the victim dies.

[Weston White]

I think that number is closer to 17,000.

Whoops, I got confused with the official MSM figures; however, factor in non-suicide related narcotics deaths and the figure jumps up to around 40K.


http://repository.cmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1137&context=hsshonors

According to the graph on page 32 (actual page number 30) the homicide rate per 100,000 was lower in 2013 (per google) than any year between 1900 and 1970.

I do not think that data relates to ethnicity, just deaths in general. So, not certain how much help they actually are.

This better shows rapid doubling in deaths per capita after "integration" and the following War on Drugs--which explicitly targeted blacks:

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873729.html


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/figures/m6227a1f3.gif

http://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/homicide-rates-in-the-northeastern-united-states-1636-1900-pinker-2011-jpg.jpg
http://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/homicide-rates-in-the-united-states-and-england-1900-2000-pinker-2011-jpg.jpg
http://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/homicide-rates-in-the-united-states-1950-2010-and-canada-1961-2009-pinker-2011-jpg.jpg

[TommyJeff]

You might even be able to get some of the "Jim Crow is great" crowd in here to agree with you on that, as they're all of the 'authoritarianism for thee but not for me' persuasion.

As if that's even possible.

The Jim Crow laws are the doing of the Democrat Party. We don't find many of those big government D's on this site. So I don't think there is a "crowed" as you describe.