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undergroundrr
07-16-2016, 10:02 AM
As predicted, trump and his supporters have concretized the GOP establishment more firmly than every before.

The following is a report from Jeremy Blosser, who's been a tireless watchdog of RNC proceedings for the last several years.

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JB: I have been asked to summarize what happened in the Rules Committee, and how it is just more of the same RNC/GOPe stuff. I am going to attempt to do so, though it's hard to tie the pieces together well enough without saying a lot.

At the 2012 Convention, the “Ginsberg takeover” package's worst offenses were:

1) Rule 12, which allows the RNC to change the rules themselves for a period of time, without other meaningful restriction

2) Rule 15/16, which requires all states to pledge every delegate they have based on the outcome of whatever preference poll they have

3) Rule 40b, which raised the threshold to put a name in nomination at the convention

(The first two of these are far and away the worst; the third is mostly a distraction in practice, because of how the convention is run.)

The excuse they used at the time to justify doing all of this was fear of the Ron Paul people and what they might accomplish in the future. Though since blamed on Ginsberg/Romney, this package would not have succeeded without significant backing from the RNC/GOPe members in the committee and elsewhere. Over the last four years I have become very familiar with the guys who are Reince's enforcers/hatchet men in the RNC.

They are:

- John Ryder
- Randy Evans
- Steve Duprey
- Peter Feaman
- Jeff Kent
- Enid Mickelson
- Henry Barbour (though he will listen, and is way more passive than aggro)

These are the ones that go to the mics and defend anything Reince wants, and talk trash about any attempt by the few good guys on the RNC to let the grassroots be heard.

The grassroots champions/anti-establishment malcontents (on rules issues) have been:

- Ashley Ryan
- Ross Little
- Nicolee Wilkin Ambrose
- Morton Blackwell
- Solomon Yue
- Marti Halverson
- Curly Haugland
- Steve Frias
- Diana Orrock (though she went along with the massacre yesterday :()
- Bruce Ash (not really a champion, but he thinks for himself and will at times fight back)

These lists are based 100% on my time attending RNC meetings over the last four years and seeing these people work, and what they do publicly. My understanding here was formed way before Trump ever said he was running for anything. This has nothing to do with anything in the 2016 cycle.

(Overall there are probably fewer hatchet men than champions, but the hatchet men control the vast majority of votes, because the Chair has immense power in telling members what to do if they want any money into their states from their RNC. The champions have tried to roll back 2012's results at times, but the votes always come down 150 to 12 or so.)

At the 2016 Rules Committee meeting, the Trump campaign told their people to listen to RNC staff, who told them to listen 100% to:

- Randy Evans
- Steve Dupree
- Henry Barbour

They also told them to vote against *anything* proposed by:

- Morton Blackwell
- Bruce Ash

(See my earlier posts for the documentation.)

So, start with that data--which lists did each of those names come from?

Back to the 2012 “Ginsberg” rules, and what happened with them in 2016:

1) Rule 12: Team Trump/GOPe overwhelmingly voted to keep Rule 12 completely intact (86 to 23). Immediately after, Hatchet Evans suggested that the rest of the rules amendments that weren't directly related to the convention *should be referred to the RNC and not considered in the Convention Committee*, which would fundamentally transfer all national party authority from the Convention to the RNC. They apparently decided this would actually go too far to pass, so they pulled it down without a vote. The message is clear, though--the RNC/GOPe believes that the Convention has no actual governing role, and the RNC kings should decide everything.

2) Rule 15/16: No amendments were allowed, it's exactly the same as it was in 2012.

3) Rule 40b: This one was changed back to the 2008 version, then further tweaked in some very confusing ways. They claimed that in doing so they were responding to all the concerns from 2012 so everyone could move forward in unity, but as noted previously, while people reacted badly to this one it was always just a distraction.

So, they kept all the trash from 2012 that entire state parties have repudiated and the grassroots has complained unceasingly about—the very things that absolutely represented the GOPe power centralization takeover that got so many people fired up about the problems and interested in reforming the RNC.

Meanwhile, Every.Single.Amendment. brought by most of the good guys on the committee that sought to do *anything* was ordered voted down. No prisoners. This included things that were literally just cosmetic fixes or changes to update the rules to current practice under Reince. (I think Ross Little got one or two updates through early on, but nothing once the death march started.)

And of course, any change these good guys brought that were meant to give the grassroots a greater voice or just increase basic transparency was shot down. This included basic things like continuing to require having a parliamentarian at the 3 RNC meetings each year, requiring that RNC members be given notice of things they were going to vote on before they were asked to vote on them, moving some committees to elections instead of appointments, etc.

*These* are the kinds of things they killed and now have the Trump Train people crowing they beat as “defeating the unbound crowd”. They had nothing to do with unbinding, and everything to do with maintaining absolute control of the RNC by the Chair and his cronies. The hatchets didn't even claim in their debate it was anything else--they outright said they opposed these changes because the Chair should have all power, or that any such amendments were about attacking Reince specifically, vs. just having good, transparent policies regardless of who is chair.

Yes, changes to clarify delegates are supposed to be able to vote as they see best in a representative system were also shot down. But that was maybe 2% of the massacre. Just like the RNC/GOPe used fear of Ron Paul in 2012 to ram through a power transfer, they used fear of anti-Trump people to keep everything they did then with way less discussion or dissent and set it all in concrete, and to prevent any of the efforts to reign them back in and make them accountable to the grassroots from going anywhere.

Team Trump handed the keys to the GOPe and let them run over everyone who was actually doing what they claim to stand for. It was despicable, and defending it is defending the worst power grab yet by the GOPe.

Like in 2012, I have to encourage all delegates to vote *against* this rules report. It has all the fatal issues that one did. Unfortunately, I can't recommend keeping the existing rules as an alternative, because obviously it's the same thing. The delegates need to demand an alternative that actually represents what the grassroots wants.

goldwater's ghost
07-16-2016, 12:27 PM
THANKS for the update. Its becoming clearer and clearer that the war between the grassroots and the establishment GOP is becoming more vicious every election. They are pulling out all the stops to maintain control

FindLiberty
07-16-2016, 01:55 PM
RIGGED

GunnyFreedom
07-16-2016, 01:58 PM
THANKS for the update. Its becoming clearer and clearer that the war between the grassroots and the establishment GOP is becoming more vicious every election. They are pulling out all the stops to maintain control

I also found it interesting how the Trump Machine basically said to give Priebus whatever tf he wanted. Some antiestablishment champion...

CPUd
07-16-2016, 03:33 PM
I was following it as it was going down:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?497984-Republican-unity-negotiations-break-down

They also added an amendment preventing delegates from being unbound. While everyone was distracted, the establishment enforcers called for a voice vote on the conscience clause and defeated it.

All you need to know right here:
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He's wrong though. The split is even more pronounced than 2012 when they did the same thing to Ron Paul's supporters. They won't vote for him, they will tell everyone they know not to vote for him, and most importantly, they won't phone bank and door knock for him. If Trump wants that done, he will have to buy volunteers like Mitt did in 2012.

CPUd
07-16-2016, 05:02 PM
Meanwhile, Every.Single.Amendment. brought by most of the good guys on the committee that sought to do *anything* was ordered voted down. No prisoners. This included things that were literally just cosmetic fixes or changes to update the rules to current practice under Reince. (I think Ross Little got one or two updates through early on, but nothing once the death march started.)

And of course, any change these good guys brought that were meant to give the grassroots a greater voice or just increase basic transparency was shot down. This included basic things like continuing to require having a parliamentarian at the 3 RNC meetings each year, requiring that RNC members be given notice of things they were going to vote on before they were asked to vote on them, moving some committees to elections instead of appointments, etc.


There were at least 80 of the members receiving texts from the RNC/Team Trump during the sessions, telling them which way to vote.

CPUd
07-16-2016, 09:05 PM
https://i.imgur.com/7E6wzjK.jpg


"Trump/RNC [vote] NO"

Vote orders being held up by what appears to be RNC staff during rules yesterday.

The GOPe is driving the Trump Train now, making sure they have even more control for the future. This isn't about delegate pledges; it is, as always, about what kind of party we want to be.

Anti-establishment people, stop being snowed. You're cheering the death of the grassroots.— with Nicolee Wilkin Ambrose.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206806528308422&set=a.10202620891590120.1073741825.1432275823&type=3&theater

CPUd
07-16-2016, 09:08 PM
New Facebook posts and pictures further claims of Trump and Establishment alliance

More evidence has emerged depicting an alliance between the Republican establishment at the Republican National Committee (RNC) and the Trump campaign to squash conservatives at Cleveland’s convention. During Thursday’s Republican National Convention Committee on the Rules and Order of Business Meeting, the Trump campaign wanted to head off efforts from #NeverTrump forces to unbind delegates and the RNC wanted to maintain their grip on the election process in future nominating contests.

While the Thursday rules meeting has mainly been characterized by the mainstream media as a fight over whether delegates should be bound or allowed to vote their conscience at next week’s nomination vote, overshadowed by this major story a small group of conservative activists aimed to advance a series of amendments intended to decentralize power from the RNC. Their ultimate goal is to empower grassroots activists in future election cycles and remove mechanisms which party loyalists and career politicians use to favor their preferred candidates.

Leading the efforts to reform future nominating contests and provide more transparency in the GOP was Morton Blackwell, founder of the conservative Leadership Institute.

Quickly Thursday morning the Trump campaign and RNC found themselves in an uncertain position on the outcome on potential amendments. And rather than proceed with uncertain amendments the meeting was halted under the guise of a broken printer to stall for time.

During the time that elapsed, the Trump campaign hammered out an agreement with establishment elements of the RNC to support one another’s agenda.

For those hoping that Trump would be a force to shake-up the establishment and do away with business as usual politics, they will be sorely disappointed.


https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/07/new-facebook-posts-and-pictures-further-claims-of-trump-and-establishment-alliance

CPUd
07-16-2016, 09:12 PM
They are still going to try to force a roll call on adopting the rules, but it will most likely play out like this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFjczLKM4JY

Natural Citizen
07-18-2016, 08:00 PM
It figgers it'd be something like that. :cool:

William Tell
07-18-2016, 08:06 PM
I also found it interesting how the Trump Machine basically said to give Priebus whatever tf he wanted. Some antiestablishment champion...

Trump has always been establishment, transparty establishment. An elite.

Indy Vidual
11-14-2016, 08:51 PM
Bump for accurate history.

GunnyFreedom
11-14-2016, 09:24 PM
Trump has always been establishment, transparty establishment. An elite.

An oligarch even, one might say.