Trump Picking Pence As Running Mate

[moostraks]

Donald Trump has chosen Indiana Gov. Mike Pence as his vice presidential running mate, sources told CBS News.

Earlier Thursday, one of Pence’s top aides was spotted on a flight to New York.

Deputy Campaign Manager Marc Lotter was on the same flight at CBS News Chief White House Correspondent Major Garrett.

Trump has said he will formally announce his pick on Friday morning at an event in Manhattan...

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/07/14/trump-veep-alert-pence-aide-spotted-on-flight-to-new-york-city/

[CPUd]

The liberty ticket!

[AuH20]

The liberty ticket!

It's about appeasing the evangelicals. Nothing more. It could have been much worse.

[CPUd]

This guy could even be POTUS on Day 2. Trump has said he could resign if he got elected and didn't feel like doing the job. Otherwise, he would be VPINO:

Trump Adviser: Trump Will Outsource Being President to His VP (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?495831-Trump-Adviser-Trump-Will-Outsource-Being-President-to-His-VP)

[LibertyEagle]

This guy could even be POTUS on Day 2. Trump has said he could resign if he got elected and didn't feel like doing the job. Otherwise, he would be VPINO:

Trump Adviser: Trump Will Outsource Being President to His VP (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?495831-Trump-Adviser-Trump-Will-Outsource-Being-President-to-His-VP)

Please quote where Trump has said he could resign...

EDIT: It's been hours and you haven't responded. So why post things like this when you know they are untrue?

[torchbearer]

Please quote where Trump has said he could resign...

Do it now.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/08/us/politics/donald-trump-president.html?_r=0

Would Donald Trump Quit if He Wins the Election? He Doesn’t Rule It Out

[acptulsa]

GOP insiders are pushing Pence on Trump. We'll see if he buckles.

And now that we've seen him buckle to the establishment again, we get to see the excuses for him...


It's about appeasing the evangelicals. Nothing more. It could have been much worse.

[AuH20]

And now that we've seen him buckle to the establishment again, we get to see the excuses for him...

Yes. The GOP got what they wanted. Now all the Steve Deace types will be happy....................for a day.

[moostraks]

It's about appeasing the evangelicals. Nothing more. It could have been much worse.

From the speculation thread but oh, so appropriate a response:

Report: 100% chance that Trump supporters will find a way to reconcile whoever the eventual choice is with their own preconceived notions of what Trump actually stands for.

[LibertyEagle]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/08/us/politics/donald-trump-president.html?_r=0

Would Donald Trump Quit if He Wins the Election? He Doesn’t Rule It Out

Where does Trump say he might quit if he won the election? Answer: NO WHERE.


“This is silly,” said Sean Spicer, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee, which has tried hard to make the Trump campaign more professional. “He’s in it to win it.”

[Ender]

Where does Trump say he might quit if he won the election? Answer: NO WHERE.

He'll let you know. ;)

[CPUd]

If he quits, he would have to do it after the hypothetical inauguration. If he does it as the hypothetical president-elect, pretty sure he hands it to Clinton.

[William Tell]

Mike Pence is a globalist NeoCon. He supported the United Nations, and the Export-Import Bank in Congress. And of course he supported NDAA military detention, the Patriot Act, the Iraq War, presidential overreach in Libya etc.

[AuH20]

The only asset that Pence brings, will be his extensive knowledge of the HoR.

[twomp]

Yes. The GOP got what they wanted. Now all the Steve Deace types will be happy....................for a day.

Yes with their help. Trump should be able to win the GOP nomination now..... oh wait....

[silverhandorder]

Where does Trump say he might quit if he won the election? Answer: NO WHERE.

Truth don't matter to them.

[torchbearer]

Where does Trump say he might quit if he won the election? Answer: NO WHERE.


You are looking for a direct quote. This authors makes the case using trumps actions and words over a period of time. There are actually several other articles that make the same case. But i didn't want to clog up the thread. And I've learned that those who worship the Cheeto Man, don't care about facts. Cognitive dissonance requires they reject them. Bending facts to fit a fictional character messiah.

[twomp]

Truth don't matter to them.

That's hilarious coming from a Trump supporter....

[RonPaulMall]

This pick confirms that Trump buys in to Scott Adams theory that all he had to do is avoid any mistakes and he will cruise to a landslide victory. Pence is a boring non-entity that the public doesn't know and the media has little interest in. The entire "VP selection" news cycle will be over in a day. By picking him Trump is signaling that he doesn't want the VP to be a story in the campaign at all. Pence is as close as you can get to not making a VP selection while still technically fulfilling the requirement of naming a human being to the post.

[twomp]

You are looking for a direct quote. This authors makes the case using trumps actions and words over a period of time. There are actually several other articles that make the same case. But i didn't want to clog up the thread. And I've learned that those who worship the Cheeto Man, don't care about facts. Cognitive dissonance requires they reject them. Bending facts to fit a fictional character messiah.

Don't bother explaining to them. Trump supporters are dumb as rocks. They still think he's "anti-establishment."

[Antischism]

http://i.imgur.com/537la16.png

: D

[EBounding]

This is very Great and Terrfic. Trump has been a champion of freedom from day one when he decided to run for president.

[Antischism]

The spin is already hilarious.

[AuH20]

This pick confirms that Trump buys in to Scott Adams theory that all he had to do is avoid any mistakes and he will cruise to a landslide victory. Pence is a boring non-entity that the public doesn't know and the media has little interest in. The entire "VP selection" news cycle will be over in a day. By picking him Trump is signaling that he doesn't want the VP to be a story in the campaign at all. Pence is as close as you can get to not making a VP selection while still technically fulfilling the requirement of naming a human being to the post.

Pence is a poor insurance policy, but I agree that he's a relative political non-entity, aside from his HoR knowledge. The evangicucks and the establishment were thrown a favor with this bone. But even a certain segment of the Evangicucks aren't happy with the selection because Pence backed down on a prospective Religious Freedom bill.

[Ender]

Pence is a poor insurance policy, but I agree that he's a relative political non-entity, aside from his HoR knowledge. The evangicucks and the establishment were thrown a favor with this bone. But even a certain segment of the Evangicucks aren't happy with the selection because Pence backed down on a prospective Religious Freedom bill.

So, wait.....

Is any form of a non-Trump-lover a cuck?

[CPUd]

https://i.imgur.com/hR5r9qu.jpg

[AuH20]

So, wait.....

Is any form of a non-Trump-lover a cuck?

Not necessarily. But a fair segment of evangelicals are complete speedbumps for Israel and not causing a ruckus against the government. They are cucks in the truest sense of the word in that they have been indoctrinated by the many megachurches.

[jllundqu]

Mike Pence is a globalist NeoCon. He supported the United Nations, and the Export-Import Bank in Congress. And of course he supported NDAA military detention, the Patriot Act, the Iraq War, presidential overreach in Libya etc.

This is all that needs to be said. Trumpsters will spin it as a 'genius pick' and their circular logic will continue...

//

[silverhandorder]

This is all that needs to be said. Trumpsters will spin it as a 'genius pick' and their circular logic will continue...

//

Don't let anyone stop your from making shit up.

No one in this thread called it a geniouses pick. Buy go on make shit up.

[jllundqu]

Don't let anyone stop your from making shit up.

No one in this thread called it a geniouses pick. Buy go on make shit up.

I didn't say anyone did call it a genius pick. I said someone would... not necessarily these forums, but I expect those posts to be coming shortly :rolleyes: Don't get your little girl panties in a bunch... I'm sure you'll just love having Pence on the ticket! He is the exact opposite of what Ron and Rand have spent their lives fighting for, but who cares... TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!!!! BUILD THE WALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FORWARD COMRADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

[LibertyEagle]

You are looking for a direct quote. This authors makes the case using trumps actions and words over a period of time. There are actually several other articles that make the same case. But i didn't want to clog up the thread. And I've learned that those who worship the Cheeto Man, don't care about facts. Cognitive dissonance requires they reject them. Bending facts to fit a fictional character messiah.

I think these stories are jerking your chain, Torch. CPU knows full well that Trump never said or intimated anything of the sort, yet, he/she doesn't hesitate to make the claim.

[LibertyEagle]

Don't bother explaining to them. Trump supporters are dumb as rocks. They still think he's "anti-establishment."

Facts matter and unfortunately, the claim made by CPUd is not supported by them. Does that even matter to you?

[Pizzo]

Anti-establishment outsider Mike Pence...

[Ender]

Don't let anyone stop your from making $#@! up.

No one in this thread called it a geniouses pick. Buy go on make $#@! up.

What's a "geniouses"?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx2zLgdkJpk

Liviosa!

(JK- time for some fun. ;) )

[jllundqu]

Please quote where Trump has said he could resign...

Do it now.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/e6/e6fea896cac0c47d842509af713c5f34720dd73f414f56d144 ea6037d8a4464a.jpg

[LibertyEagle]

And if you notice, CPU has been unable to back up his assertion. It was a lie.

[LibertyEagle]

Anti-establishment outsider Mike Pence...

No, he's a piece of crap.

[Pizzo]

No, he's a piece of crap.

Indeed.

[Ender]

Facts matter and unfortunately, the claim made by CPUd is not supported by them. Does that even matter to you?

http://www.theonion.com/graphic/donald-trumps-campaign-myth-vs-fact-52913

[Bryan]

Don't bother explaining to them. Trump supporters are dumb as rocks.

As I've said elsewhere... this type of rhetoric proves nothing, has no intellectual value, just drives people into a bigger divide, degrades the level of discourse of the site and often leads to retaliation name calling and more. This isn't what we want. We appreciate your help in elevating the site discourse and thus supporting our mission of liberty.

As we are right on the issues (including not supporting Trump) we can use solid arguments and not rely on name calling.

Thanks.

[Brian4Liberty]

Where does Pence stand?

Pence: Baghdad Bazaar Is Like ‘Any Open-Air Market In Indiana In The Summertime’ (http://thinkprogress.org/security/2007/04/04/11627/pence-baghdad/)



Mike Pence on War & Peace
Republican Representative (IN-6)



Voted YES on banning armed forces in Libya without Congressional approval.
RESOLUTION Declaring that the President shall not deploy, establish, or maintain the presence of US Armed Forces in Libya, pursuant to the War Powers Resolution.

The House of Representatives makes the following statements of policy:
The US Armed Forces shall be used exclusively to defend and advance the national security interests of the US.
The President has failed to provide Congress with a compelling rationale based upon US national security interests for current US military activities regarding Libya.
The President shall not deploy, establish, or maintain the presence of units and members of the US Armed Forces on the ground in Libya unless the purpose of the presence is to rescue a member of the Armed Forces from imminent danger.

The President shall transmit a report describing in detail US security interests and objectives, and the activities of US Armed Forces, in Libya since March 19, 2011, including a description of the following:

The President's justification for not seeking authorization by Congress for the use of military force in Libya.
US political and military objectives regarding Libya, including the relationship between the intended objectives and the operational means being employed to achieve them.
Changes in US political and military objectives following the assumption of command by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).
Differences between US political and military objectives regarding Libya and those of other NATO member states engaged in military activities.
The specific commitments by the US to ongoing NATO activities regarding Libya.
The anticipated scope and duration of continued US military involvement in Libya.
The costs of military, political, and humanitarian efforts concerning Libya as of June 3, 2011.

Congress has the constitutional prerogative to withhold funding for any unauthorized use of the US States Armed Forces, including for unauthorized activities regarding Libya.
Reference: Resolution on Libya; Bill HRes294 ; vote number 11-HV410 on Jun 3, 2011

Voted NO on investigating Bush impeachment for lying about Iraq.
OnTheIssues.org Explanation: This vote is on referring the impeachment resolution to a Congressional Committee to decide further action (not on impeachment itself).

Congressional Summary: Resolved, That President George W. Bush be impeached for committing the following abuses of power:

Article I--Creating a Secret Propaganda Campaign To Manufacture a False Case for War Against Iraq
Article VI & VIII--Invading Iraq in Violation of H.J. Res. 114, the U.N. Charter and International Criminal Law
Article X--Falsifying Accounts of US Troop Deaths and Injuries for Political Purposes
Article XI--Establishment of Permanent US Military Bases in Iraq
Article XII--Initiating a War Against Iraq for Control of That Nation's Natural Resources
Article XVII--Detaining Indefinitely and Without Charge Persons Both US Citizens and Foreign Captives
Article XXIV--Spying on American Citizens, Without a Court-Ordered Warrant, in Violation of the Fourth Amendment
Article XXVI--Announcing the Intent To Violate Laws With Signing Statements, and Violating Those Laws

Proponents' arguments for voting YEA: Rep. Kucinich: Now is the time for this Congress to examine the actions that led us into this war, just as we must work to bring our troops home. This resolution is a very serious matter and I urge the Committee on Judiciary to investigate and carefully consider this resolution.

Rep. Wasserman-Schultz: Impeachment is a lengthy process which would divide Congress and this nation even more deeply than we are divided right now. Referring this resolution to the House Judiciary Committee is the constitutionally appropriate process that should be pursued.

Rep. Ron Paul: I rise, reluctantly, in favor of referring that resolution to the House Judiciary Committee for full consideration, which essentially directs the committee to examine the issue more closely than it has done to this point.
Reference: The Kucinich Privilege Resolution; Bill H.RES.1258 ; vote number 2008-401 on Jun 11, 2008

Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days.
To provide for the redeployment of US Armed Forces and defense contractors from Iraq. Requires within 90 days to commence the redeployment; and to complete such redeployment within 180 days after its commencement. Prohibits the use of DOD funds to increase the number of US forces serving in Iraq in excess of the number serving in Iraq as of January 1, 2007, unless specifically authorized by Congress. Authorizes retaining in Iraq US forces for providing security for diplomatic missions; for targeting al-Qaeda; and for training Iraqi Security Forces. Requires the President to transfer to the government of Iraq all interest held by the US in any military facility in Iraq.

Proponents support voting YES because:

This war is a terrible tragedy, and it is time to bring it to an end. This is a straightforward bill to redeploy our military forces from Iraq and to end the war in Iraq. This bill does not walk away from the Iraqi people. It specifically continues diplomatic, social, economic, and reconstruction aid. Finally, this bill leaves all the decisions on the locations outside of Iraq to which our troops will be redeployed wholly in the hands of our military commanders.

Opponents support voting NO because:

This legislation embraces surrender and defeat. This legislation undermines our troops and the authority of the President as commander in chief. Opponents express concern about the effects of an ill-conceived military withdrawal, and about any legislation that places military decisions in the hands of politicians rather than the military commanders in the field. The enemy we face in Iraq view this bill as a sign of weakness. Now is not the time to signal retreat and surrender. It is absolutely essential that America, the last remaining superpower on earth, continue to be a voice for peace and a beacon for freedom in our shrinking world.
Reference: Out of Iraq Caucus bill; Bill H R 2237 ; vote number 2007-330 on May 10, 2007

Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date.

Voting YES would support the following resolution (excerpted):
Whereas the United States and its allies are engaged in a Global War on Terror, a long and demanding struggle against an adversary that is driven by hatred of American values and that is committed to imposing, by the use of terror, its repressive ideology throughout the world;
Whereas the terrorists have declared Iraq to be the central front in their war against all who oppose their ideology;
Whereas the United States and its Coalition partners will continue to support Iraq as part of the Global War on Terror:

Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That the House of Representatives--
Honors all those Americans who have taken an active part in the Global War on Terror;
Declares that it is not in the national security interest of the United States to set an arbitrary date for the withdrawal or redeployment of United States Armed Forces from Iraq;
Declares that the United States is committed to the completion of the mission to create a sovereign, free, secure, and united Iraq;
Declares that the United States will prevail in the Global War on Terror, the noble struggle to protect freedom from the terrorist adversary.

Reference: Resolution on Prevailing in the Global War on Terror; Bill HRES 861 ; vote number 2006-288 on Jun 12, 2006

Voted YES on approving removal of Saddam & valiant service of US troops.
States that the House of Representatives:

affirms that the United States and the world have been made safer with the removal of Saddam Hussein and his regime from power in Iraq;
commends the Iraqi people for their courage in the face of unspeakable oppression and brutality inflicted on them by Saddam Hussein's regime;
commends the Iraqi people on the adoption of Iraq's interim constitution; and
commends the members of the U.S. Armed Forces and Coalition forces for liberating Iraq and expresses its gratitude for their valiant service.

Reference: War in Iraq Anniversary resolution; Bill H Res 557 ; vote number 2004-64 on Mar 17, 2004

Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq.
Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq: Passage of the joint resolution that would authorize President Bush to use the US military as he deems necessary and appropriate to defend U.S. national security against Iraq and enforce UN Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq. It would be required that the president report to Congress, no later than 48 hours after using force, his determination that diplomatic options or other peaceful means would not guarantee US national security against Iraq or allow enforcement of UN resolutions and that using force is consistent with anti-terrorism efforts. The resolution would also give specific statutory authorization under the War Powers Resolution. Every 60 days the president would also be required to report to Congress on actions related to the resolution.
Reference: Bill sponsored by Hastert,R-IL; Bill HJRes114 ; vote number 2002-455 on Oct 10, 2002

Solidarity with Israel in its fight against terrorism.
Pence co-sponsored a Congressional Resolution expressing solidarity with Israel:

[The United States] expresses solidarity with Israel as it takes necessary steps to provide security to its people by dismantling the terrorist infrastructure in the Palestinian areas; and

Commits to Israel's right to self-defense and support for additional U.S. assistance.

Condemns the recent wave of Palestinian suicide bombings and the ongoing support and coordination of terror by Yasir Arafat and other members of the Palestinian leadership.

Demands that the Palestinian Authority fulfill its commitment to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure in the Palestinian areas.

Expresses concern that Arafat's actions are not those of a viable partner for peace.

Urges all Arab states to declare their unqualified opposition to all forms of terrorism, particularly suicide bombing, and all parties in the region to pursue peace in the Middle East.

Commends the President for his leadership in addressing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Encourages the international community to take action to alleviate the humanitarian needs of the Palestinian people.

Source: House Resolution Sponsorship 02-HR392 on Apr 18, 2002

Strengthen sanctions on Syria & assist democratic transition.
Pence co-sponsored strengthening sanctions on Syria & assist democratic transition

A bill to strengthen sanctions against the Government of Syria, to enhance multilateral commitment to address the Government of Syria's threatening policies, to establish a program to support a transition to a democratically-elected government in Syria.

Syria Accountability and Liberation Act - States that US sanctions, controls, and regulations relating to Syria shall remain in effect until the President certifies that Syria has ceased support for terrorism, has dismantled biological, chemical, or nuclear weapons programs and has committed to combat their proliferation, respects the boundaries and sovereignty of all neighboring countries, and upholds human rights and civil liberties.
Imposes specified trade, assistance, and military sanctions, as appropriate, on persons or countries that transfer goods or technology so as to contribute to Syria's biological, chemical, nuclear, or advanced conventional weapons programs.
Imposes specified sanctions aimed at Syria's energy sector.
Sets forth diplomatic measures intended to isolate the government of Syria.
Directs the President to provide assistance to support a democratic transition in Syria. Authorizes appropriations.

Source: Syria Accountability and Liberation Act (S2917/HR2332) 08-S2917 on Apr 24, 2008

Support the completion of the US mission in Iraq.
Pence co-sponsored supporting the completion of the US mission in Iraq

A resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that the Commander of Multinational Forces-Iraq and all United States personnel under his command should receive from Congress the full support necessary to carry out the United States mission in Iraq. Expresses the sense of the Senate that:

Congress should ensure that General David Petraeus have the necessary resources to carry out their mission in Iraq; and
the government of Iraq must make visible progress toward meeting the political, economic, and military benchmarks enumerated in this Resolution.

Source: S.RES.70 & H.RES.150 2007-SR70 on Feb 5, 2007

Sanctions on Iran to end nuclear program.
Pence signed Iran Refined Petroleum Sanctions Act

Expresses the sense of Congress that:
diplomatic efforts to address Iran's illicit nuclear efforts, unconventional and ballistic missile development programs, and support for international terrorism are more likely to be effective if the President is empowered with explicit authority to impose additional sanctions on the government of Iran;
US concerns regarding Iran are strictly the result of that government's actions; and
the people of the United States have feelings of friendship for the people of Iran and regret that developments in recent decades have created impediments to that friendship.

States that it should be US policy to:
support international diplomatic efforts to end Iran's uranium enrichment program and its nuclear weapons program;
encourage foreign governments to direct state-owned and private entities to cease all investment in, and support of, Iran's energy sector and all exports of refined petroleum products to Iran;
impose sanctions on the Central Bank of Iran and any other Iranian financial institution engaged in proliferation activities or support of terrorist groups; and
work with allies to protect the international financial system from deceptive and illicit practices by Iranian financial institutions involved in proliferation activities or support of terrorist groups.

Amends the Iran Sanctions Act of 1996 to direct the President to impose sanctions if a person has made an investment of $20 million or more (or any combination of investments of at least $5 million which in the aggregate equals or exceeds $20 million in any 12-month period) that directly and significantly contributed to Iran's ability to develop its petroleum resources. (Under current law the sanction thresholds are $40 million, $10 million, and $40 million, respectively.)
Establishes additional sanctions prohibiting specified foreign exchange, banking, and property transactions.
Includes refined petroleum resources.
...
http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/Mike_Pence_War_+_Peace.htm

[Ender]

And if you notice, CPU has been unable to back up his assertion. It was a lie.

No, it was not a lie and you know it. It was front page news.

Trump may have been joking but who knows:


The Times cites a recent interview with the presumptive GOP nominee in which a scenario was posed to him about declining the presidency right after defeating Hillary Clinton. Trump, the report says, "flashed a mischievous smile," then says, "I’ll let you know how I feel about it after it happens."

The story goes on to say that this could've been simply another of the real estate mogul's bids to gain media attention, though notes that the idea that Trump's competitive desire to win the highest office in the land might surpass his interest in actually serving in it wouldn't exactly be wildly inconsistent with how some might look at this most unusual of campaigns.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/07/07/donald-trump-electoral-college/86807474/

So on to more important topics.

[Brian4Liberty]

Choosing Pence as VP would be another victory for Bill Kristol. What a record Kristol has! He has essentially chosen (recommended) the GOP VP candidate every cycle since 1988.


Bill Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard, who has been advising Pence on foreign policy, said Pence’s legislative and executive experience gives him “an unusual niche.”

“Voters do want that anti-Washington outsider, but they also want someone who knows what he’s doing there,” Kristol said.
...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mike-pence-lays-out-a-vision-for-presidential-campaign-but-will-he-be-a-candidate/2014/12/11/0988c650-7cbd-11e4-84d4-7c896b90abdc_story.html




Pence talks of his 2016 options
Thursday, April 10, 2014 11:05 AM
By BRIAN A. HOWEY

INDIANAPOLIS – The swirl of 2016 national ticket talk surrounding Gov. Mike Pence has intensified over the past few weeks. We know it’s a scenario the first-term Republican hasn’t spent so much as a minute pondering, though he is now acknowleding to Howey Politics Indiana that national figures are “reaching out” to him.

So when Howey Politics Indiana sat down with Gov. Pence on Tuesday morning, just as the Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol was anointing Pence and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker as presidential timber on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” ...
...
http://howeypolitics.com/Content/Default/Lead-Story/Article/Pence-talks-of-his-2016-options/-3/346/11200

[LibertyEagle]

No, it was not a lie and you know it. It was front page news.

Trump may have been joking but who knows:



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/07/07/donald-trump-electoral-college/86807474/

So on to more important topics.

Trump never said he would quit. Didn't happen. And not in your little quote, either.

However, Trump does know how to play the press. He is indeed a master of that.

[LibertyEagle]

Choosing Pence as VP would be another victory for Bill Kristol. What a record Kristol has! He has essentially chosen (recommended) the GOP VP candidate every cycle since 1988.

No kidding. Ugh.

[Wooden Indian]

Watching Trump supporters defend and downplay all of his establishment and anti-liberty choices makes me sad and amused simultaneously. I'd say that I hope you are ashamed of yourselves, but I know you aren't and never will be.

There is no argument to make against Trump that you will be swayed by. Your hatred of immigrants and fear of the loss of White American Values, whatever the hell that is, has shut your eyes and ears to the truth, and I kind of fucking despise you for it.

[Kotin]

Lol he picked this neocon ?? How can people keep defending him???

[afwjam]

LMAO

[acptulsa]

Trump never said he would quit. Didn't happen. And not in your little quote, either.

Who is doing the lying about what people said? You accused CPUd of lying here:


This guy could even be POTUS on Day 2. Trump has said he could resign if he got elected and didn't feel like doing the job. Otherwise, he would be VPINO:

Trump Adviser: Trump Will Outsource Being President to His VP (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?495831-Trump-Adviser-Trump-Will-Outsource-Being-President-to-His-VP)

Emphasis added.

Nobody said Trump would quit. So how is you accusing CPUd of lying on the basis of 'Trump never said he would quit' anything but a lie in itself?

You may be ferocious enough, but you are not correct. How long are you going to keep thumping this tub? Are you capable of admitting you were wrong?


Watching Trump supporters defend and downplay all of his establishment and anti-liberty choices makes me sad and amused simultaneously. I'd say that I hope you are ashamed of yourselves, but I know you aren't and never will be.

There is no argument to make against Trump that you will be swayed by. Your hatred of immigrants and fear of the loss of White American Values, whatever the hell that is, has shut your eyes and ears to the truth, and I kind of $#@!ing despise you for it.

This. Plus all manner of passive-aggressive behaviors which are leading to infractions being passed out like candy. Three cheers for the neocon duopoly; looks like they're finding a way to divide the populace against itself again.

I can't claim to still be amazed at how rank-and-file Republicans get themselves played, over and over, again and again. I got used to that. What I can't seem to get used to is how proud they seem to be of getting played. Again and again.

[silverhandorder]

I didn't say anyone did call it a genius pick. I said someone would... not necessarily these forums, but I expect those posts to be coming shortly :rolleyes: Don't get your little girl panties in a bunch... I'm sure you'll just love having Pence on the ticket! He is the exact opposite of what Ron and Rand have spent their lives fighting for, but who cares... TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!!!! BUILD THE WALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FORWARD COMRADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
Somebody cover a big range of people.

Somebody will also post about republican national convention revolt. Don't mean we gotta talk about it.

Lol he picked this neocon ?? How can people keep defending him???

Who is defending him? I was hoping for for the general that looked pretty cool. Thought it would be sessions.

[kahless]

The Supreme Court is another issue that I see no other way around it than voting for Trump. I pulled the quote below from another thread and he makes a good point. How do you anti-Trumpers reconcile opposing Trump so vehemently that you are so willing to give Hillary the power to nominate Supreme Court justices?


The Supreme Court is what makes this the most important election in most of our lifetimes. The Court has been 5-4 mildly "Conservative" for so long that people forget what an activist Liberal Court looks like. If Hillary gets elected, the Court will become 6-3 Liberal. That will have HUGE political ramifications.

First and most obviously, the Second Amendment would be history. Anybody that lives in a Democratic state will see their guns confiscated or be labeled a felon. The First Amendment will mostly be done away with as well. Federal Laws criminalizing any speech the government deems "offensive" will shut down sites like this or force them to move hosting to Russia (if Putin allows it). Hiring on merit will largely be criminalized and racial quotas will be ramped up to unimaginable levels.

In short, the time for political action will be over. For those of us on the Liberty side of the equation, it will be either violent insurrection or slavery.

[silverhandorder]

The Supreme Court is another issue that I see no other way around it than voting for Trump. I pulled the quote below from another thread and he makes a good point. How do you anti-Trumpers reconcile opposing Trump so vehemently that you are so willing to give Hillary the power to nominate Supreme Court justices?

A lot of them would not mind progressivism. Remember Ron Paul attracted people from both sides. Some are ludites, some are anti socials. To them they rather hate on the man. In this case Trump is easier to hate because he shut out Rand.

[CaptUSA]

Lol he picked this neocon ?? How can people keep defending him???

Why do people fall for pyramid schemes? Why do people give money to Nigerian princes? Why do people call psychic hotlines? Why do people keep sending money to their "online romances"?

Because once you fall for the con, you can't allow your mind to believe you have actually been conned. So, when evidence is presented, you will ignore either it or twist it in your own mind to keep yourself from feeling foolish.

This was in Trump's book (although, not in so many words - he called it 'playing to people's fantasies')

[acptulsa]

The Supreme Court is another issue that I see no other way around it than voting for Trump. I pulled the quote below from another thread and he makes a good point. How do you anti-Trumpers reconcile opposing Trump so vehemently that you are so willing to give Hillary the power to nominate Supreme Court justices?

Your faith that he would pick a decent running mate is shattered, yet you continue to have faith that his SCOTUS picks will be better?

I've got a nice toll bridge. Want to buy it?

[Ender]

A lot of them would not mind progressivism. Remember Ron Paul attracted people from both sides. Some are ludites, some are anti socials. To them they rather hate on the man. In this case Trump is easier to hate because he shut out Rand.

Who is this "them" you speak of?

Most here, who do not support Trump, do not hate him- most do not support any current candidate.

When attacked by Trumpsters for posting opposing arguments, they do have a tendency to fight back, though. A little friendly dialog goes a long way.

[kahless]

Lol he picked this neocon ?? How can people keep defending him???

I have yet to see anyone here defend him. I am gutted but then again it could have been far worse.

If Manafort is behind this hard turn towards catering to the establishment he needs to be fired since it will bite Trump in the ass eventually.

He may think he is appealing to the establishment but the people hate them RINO establishment. Trump beat out 17 candidates because he appeared to them not to be connected with the RINO establishment. I expect to see Bill Kristol and the Neocons on Fox like Kelly, Brett Baier and his panel of RINO shills to celebrate this now but in no time they will be slamming him in some fashion or other to help their candidate, Hillary.

[Ender]

Trump never said he would quit. Didn't happen. And not in your little quote, either.

However, Trump does know how to play the press. He is indeed a master of that.

It's not my "little" quote- just showing that the papers said he might quit- so someone quoting the media is not "lying" about what they read.

And, yes, he does play the press. ;)

[kahless]

Your faith that he would pick a decent running mate is shattered, yet you continue to have faith that his SCOTUS picks will be better?

I've got a nice toll bridge. Want to buy it?

I did not have faith he would pick a decent running mate. I hoped he would make a better strategic choice but like I said if Rand were the nominee I expect he would probably have done the same to kiss the ring of the establishment to get their approval. We saw Rand do this during the campaign which killed his chances you would think with Trump's sucess beating 17 candidates he would not make the same mistake.

[acptulsa]

I did not have faith he would pick a decent running mate. I hoped he would make a better strategic choice but like I said if Rand were the nominee I expect he would probably have done the same to kiss the ring of the establishment to get their approval. We saw Rand do this during the campaign which killed his chances you would think with Trump's sucess beating 17 candidates he would not make the same mistake.

I ask you why you think the ring kissing is over and he'll pick decent justices, and you talk about Rand Paul.

Yes, Rand Paul would have picked decent justices. Trump obviously won't. So why should I pass on a chance to protest this neocon duopoly by voting for Johnson, again?

Every reason you ever spouted for why Trump is the 'lesser of two evils' just went down the drain. Yet you keep repeating them as if the repetition will do any of us any good at all. Well, keep clicking your red slippers together and saying 'There's no place like home' all you want. Won't keep me from trying to buy a car.

[erowe1]

EDIT: It's been hours and you haven't responded. So why post things like this when you know they are untrue?

Where do you get the idea that CPUd posted something they know is untrue?

[erowe1]

What makes this thread surreal is that Pence, as bad as he is, is not nearly as bad as Trump has always been.

[Mr.NoSmile]

Shouldn't the VP pick help your chances of winning instead of hinder, not that Trump has any semblance of a realistic chance. I doubt the people on the fence or Independents who are uncertain about Trump aren't going to swing his way in light of looking at Pence, particularly with all the controversy coming out of Indiana over the past year or so.

[erowe1]

Pence is a boring non-entity that the public doesn't know and the media has little interest in.

What in the world are you talking about?

[NewRightLibertarian]

Definitely will be voting Constitution Party this year in lieu of this pick. Not as disappointing as Christie or Gingrich, but terrible nonetheless.

[erowe1]

Shouldn't the VP pick help your chances of winning instead of hinder, not that Trump has any semblance of a realistic chance. I doubt the people on the fence or Independents who are uncertain about Trump aren't going to swing his way in light of looking at Pence, particularly with all the controversy coming out of Indiana over the past year or so.

The people who will swing his way because of this are a lot of those conservatives who supported Cruz and might have stayed home on election day.

If Trump can manage to pull even a below average amount of support for a Republican candidate without expanding on that support, that might still be enough to beat a Democrat opponent who's as horrible as Hillary is.

[acptulsa]

Pence is a boring non-entity that the public doesn't know and the media has little interest in.

What in the world are you talking about?

He's using that as his reasoning for considering the choice of this horrible confirmed neocon as a strategic move designed to bring Trump yuge electoral success.

Believe it or not.

See if this is more clear: Trump has to pick someone his neocon masters approve of, so he picked a neocon no one has heard of in hopes that his establishment-weary supporters won't notice they're getting played.

[Mr.NoSmile]

The people who will swing his way because of this are a lot of those conservatives who supported Cruz and might have stayed home on election day.

If Trump can manage to pull even a below average amount of support for a Republican candidate without expanding on that support, that might still be enough to beat a Democrat opponent who's as horrible as Hillary is.

On social issues, not that Pence was great, but he'd probably be eviscerated for the religious liberty stuff alone.

[TheCount]

Mike Pence is a globalist NeoCon. He supported the United Nations, and the Export-Import Bank in Congress. And of course he supported NDAA military detention, the Patriot Act, the Iraq War, presidential overreach in Libya etc.

You've got it all wrong. He has been anointed with the midas touch of the Trump, and tanned orange by the blinding light of liberty.

[erowe1]

On social issues, not that Pence was great, but he'd probably be eviscerated for the religious liberty stuff alone.

I see Pence as the epitome of the three legs of conservatism as most die-hard Republicans define it: fiscally conservative (to the degree that a mainstream Republican can be, and certainly far more than Trump is), socially conservative, and for US worldwide military dominance that is heavily pro-Israel. Most people who like Cruz will like Pence.

[twomp]

I'm sure the independents will rally behind Trump now!!! But as many have said, if he wanted to deliver the Presidency to Clinton, this is an important first step!

[kahless]

Ann Coulter who has been pro-Trump reflects my sentiments.




Report: Trump about to make first mistake in VP pick, as predicted by Ann Coulter, July 6, 2016: MY VP PREDICTION: TRUMP'S FIRST MISTAKE.

I won't believe it, until I hear it from the Trump's mouth. Pence is the combo-platter of disaster. He’s all in for corporate America bringing in as many guest workers as they please to replace American workers, tried to sell the monster amnesty as a "compromise bill." (How about this compromise: We start with a wall...) He also somehow managed to tick off both sides in gay marriage debate. After his state passed a law passed protecting Christians from having to participate in gay marriages, all hell broke loose. Pence thought to himself: 'I have semi heading for me. Should I just stand here? Yes, I think I’ll just stand here!' First, he allowed himself to be portrayed as a right-wing homophobic nut and then -- just days later -- he sold out to the left-wing activists, anyway.

[kcchiefs6465]

Don't bother explaining to them. Trump supporters are dumb as rocks. They still think he's "anti-establishment."
Come on, man. Rocks don't vote. Why would you lower rocks to the level of authoritarian forgotten in the bathtub babies?

[puppetmaster]

I am more worried about his other picks than the do nothing VP slot. AG SOS.....etc

[jllundqu]

I am more worried about his other picks than the do nothing VP slot. AG SOS.....etc

Seriously... based on this pick his cabinet might as well be a who's who of neocon trash. Good for liberty, my ass.

[acptulsa]

I am more worried about his other picks than the do nothing VP slot. AG SOS.....etc

Quite right. You should be worried. There's exactly zero reason to believe they'll be one whit better.

[Danke]

Jamesiv1 Predicted this a long time ago.

[phill4paul]

Hillary-ous! Trump supporters have been giving the L.P. ticket hell for it's choice of V.P.. Just...Lolz.

[RonPaulMall]

What in the world are you talking about?

I mean he is boring. Few Americans know him, and the media will have no interest covering him. Trump realizes that he has an advantage over Hillary in nearly every facet of the race. Voters like his policies better, they like him better, and all he has to do to win this thing is not screw up by doing or saying something crazy over the next few months. Conversely, Hillary's only hope is that Trump and his team DO commit some blunder and she is able to successfully demagogue it.

Christie or Newt are high profile guys with huge egos that might well give Hillary that crazy or controversial sound bite she's looking for. Flynn is a straight shooter with no political experience and you could easily see him making a huge mistake too. Pence is boring, experienced politician unlikely to say anything off script. And he's so uninteresting to the public and press that in the odd event he did say something interesting, there's a good chance nobody would be around to cover it anyway.

It is the 4th Quarter, Trump has the lead, and now he's just trying to run out the clock. Pence is the perfect pick for that. Objectionable to no one, boring, disciplined, and sure to be forgotten by next week and play little to no role in the campaign.

[kahless]

Hillary-ous! Trump supporters have been giving the L.P. ticket hell for it's choice of V.P.. Just...Lolz.

The LP blew it this cycle. Gary Johnson=Hillary Clinton.

[Dary]

Because once you fall for the con, you can't allow your mind to believe you have actually been conned. So, when evidence is presented, you will ignore either it or twist it in your own mind to keep yourself from feeling foolish

It reminds me of the Bob Dylan song How Does it Feel.

You used to ride on your chrome horse with your diplomat
Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat
Ain't it hard when you discover that
He really wasn't where it's at
After he took from you everything he could steal.

How does it feel?

[kahless]

And he's so uninteresting to the public and press that in the odd event he did say something interesting, there's a good chance nobody would be around to cover it anyway.

It is the 4th Quarter, Trump has the lead, and now he's just trying to run out the clock. Pence is the perfect pick for that. Objectionable to no one, boring, disciplined, and sure to be forgotten by next week and play little to no role in the campaign.

^the only good thing I can think of picking Pence.

[Brian4Liberty]

I did not have faith he would pick a decent running mate. I hoped he would make a better strategic choice but like I said if Rand were the nominee I expect he would probably have done the same to kiss the ring of the establishment to get their approval. We saw Rand do this during the campaign which killed his chances you would think with Trump's sucess beating 17 candidates he would not make the same mistake.

The establishment may certainly use the same tactic on Trump now. They push for concession, and then when that concession comes, they can have others label him a sell-out to alienate the anti-establishment base. It's what they did to Rand.

[acptulsa]

Pence is the perfect pick for that. Objectionable to no one...

...who isn't on the Trumpwagon because he was playing anti-establishment. In other words, the only people who could possibly object to him are Trump's supporters.

Just the usual GOP bait-and-switch. Candidate promises one thing, gets nominated, turns into a monster, and tells Republicans too late, you nominated me and you're stuck with me.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=DgdjWoxN0w0

[CPUd]

Five times Pence broke with Trump

Donald Trump and Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, who reports say will be named Trump's running mate on Friday, haven't always seen eye-to-eye on policy.

Pence endorsed Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) in Indiana's primary, and he criticized Trump's proposal for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the U.S.

“Calls to ban Muslims from entering the U.S. are offensive and unconstitutional,” Pence tweeted the day that Trump made the announcement.

Pence is apparently standing by his opposition to the ban, though he hasn’t let that get in the way of giving his full-throated support of Trump.

"Look, I served in Congress for 12 years, I’ve been governor for three and a half years,” he said to reporters this week, according to ABC.

“I haven’t agreed with every one of my Republican colleagues or Democratic colleagues on every issue. But I’m supporting Donald Trump because we need change in this country," he said. "I believe he represents the kind of strong leadership at home and abroad that will, to borrow a phrase, make America great again."

Trump [sic] is also a supporter of free trade and has backed the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal supported by President Obama and Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.).

“Trade means jobs, but trade also means security. The time has come for all of us to urge the swift adoption of the Trans Pacific Partnership,” he wrote on Twitter.
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Trump has been one of the most outspoken critics of international trade deals throughout the campaign and has called the TPP a “rape of our country.”

Pence's support for Cruz was notable, though in his endorsement he also offered praise for Trump, saying he had given “voice to the frustration of millions of working Americans with a lack of progress in Washington, D.C."

Trump responded by saying it sounded like Pence was only ostensibly supporting Cruz to appease “special interests.”

"If you really take a look at Mike Pence, I think he gave me more of an endorsement than Ted Cruz,” Trump said in a Fox News interview at the time. “His donors and special interests obviously made him give an endorsement.”

Pence endorsed Trump exactly a week later, following Cruz’s exit from the race in the wake of his Hoosier State loss.

The two also differed on the 2008 Wall Street bailout, or Troubled Asset Relief Program. Trump offered tepid support of it at the time, saying he didn't know if it would be sufficient to alleviate the recession but that it was "worth a shot."
"I'm not sure that it's going to work. You know, it is trial and error. This is very complicated. This is more complicated than sending rockets to the moon," he said in an interview with CNN at the time, according to Politifact.

"Nobody really knows what impact it's going to have. Maybe it works, and maybe it doesn't. But certainly it is worth a shot. I don't love the idea that the government's buying back all the bad loans. How about some of the good loans? You know? I don't like the idea that the government, frankly, is going to be negotiating with people to sell those loans, because maybe we'd be better off having the best bankers in the world do that."

Pence, meanwhile, was one of the most outspoken critic of TARP among House Republicans, questioning the urgency of the need to address the financial crisis.

"I must tell you, there are those in the public debate who have said that we must act now. The last time I heard that, I was on a used-car lot," Pence said at the time, according to CNN.

"The truth is, every time somebody tells you that you've got to do the deal right now, it usually means they're going to get the better part of the deal," said Pence, who voted against the TARP.

Pence also voted to invade Iraq in 2003 when he was a member of the House, while Trump claims that he was against the war from the very beginning, though some interviews he gave at the time seem to contradict that.

Trump has repeatedly slammed likely Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton for backing the invasion.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/287757-trump-pence-havent-always-agreed-on-the-issues

[RonPaulMall]

^the only good thing I can think of picking Pence.

Exciting VP picks are for people who are desperate (like McCain in 08). Bush went boring with Cheney. Obama went even more boring with Biden. Pence is probably the most boring of all.

Boring may be boring, but boring wins. If it is second and goal from the one yard line in the Superbowl and you have Marshawn Lynch in the backfield, you run the ball three times. Passing would be more exciting, but increases the chances of something unexpected taking place.

This is a boring, uninspired pick that will excite no one. But it also gives Hillary no avenue for attack. Trump is ground and pounding his way to the White House.

[Danke]

But, but...Trump has no chance of winning, right? ...why are all the Hillary supporters up in arms about this?

[kahless]

The establishment may certainly use the same tactic on Trump now. They push for concession, and then when that concession comes, they can have others label him a sell-out to alienate the anti-establishment base. It's what they did to Rand.

Yep, that is exactly what they will do. They will celebrate the choice now and in a few weeks time or whatever the next feign outrage is go back to echoing the HRC campaign-Progressive campaign rhetoric against Trump which will give Hillary the edge she needs in the polls.

[acptulsa]

Exciting VP picks are for people who are desperate (like McCain in 08). Bush went boring with Cheney. Obama went even more boring with Biden. Pence is probably the most boring of all.

Boring may be boring, but boring wins. If it is second and goal from the one yard line in the Superbowl and you have Marshawn Lynch in the backfield, you run the ball three times. Passing would be more exciting, but increases the chances of something unexpected taking place.

This is a boring, uninspired pick that will excite no one. But it also gives Hillary no avenue for attack. Trump is ground and pounding his way to the White House.

Uh huh.

Trump is anti-establishment, all the neocons hate him, they'll do anything to stop him, this is the revolution, he's going to end the imperialism and he's scaring the crap out of the globalists. So, he's going to pick a major neocon and proven globalist, and we're all going to sit here and talk about how boring he is, and no one is the least bit worried--least of all the man himself--about Trump getting shot.

Sure, your jigsaw puzzle all fits together very nicely. If you use a big enough hammer on it.

[oyarde]

What makes this thread surreal is that Pence, as bad as he is, is not nearly as bad as Trump has always been.

Johnson & Pence are starting to look better to me compared to Clinton , Obummer , Biden , Trump , Kerry ,Gore etc . I wonder why he did not take the Gov of Ohio ? He has to get Ohio and has little chance .....

[LibertyEagle]

We shall see. Trump may not pick Newt or Pence. He may just be manipulating the media once again.

[hells_unicorn]

I have opted to abstain from voting this election, and there was no choice that Trump could have made for VP to change my mind, even if he'd asked Rand. As a largely dispassionate observer who is, nevertheless, getting kind of bored with all of the questionable websites being linked to by certain parties here, I would probably argue that Pence would be a good choice for temporarily settling down the Neo-con crowd, who still largely have a stranglehold on critical states in the Midwest (aka wacky cult Evangelical land), which was the only area where Trump really struggled in the primary. It would be a strategic decision, and to be sure, people like Anne Coulter will be temporarily peeved about it, but what is she going to do, vote for Hilldog and do a 180 on the whole immigration issue that she has been so up in arms about for the past several years?

Pence has connections with superstitious middle America, and he has a history in the U.S. House, that's pretty much the only logic behind this choice. And yes, compared to Clinton, Obama and numerous others, Pence looks better, at least on paper. Then again, two years into Obama's presidency I was fully convinced that this country had actually managed to elect somebody worse than George W. Bush, both in terms of foreign policy, and far more so in terms of economic freedom.

I fully expect that, shy of some monumental disaster in the debates, that Trump will probably trounce Hillary in the general election. It's debatable as to how much of a trouncing it will be, but it most likely will be landslide territory. I wonder if after it happens we'll be treated to more Salon, Mother Jones, Daily Beast and Politico rot courtesy of CPUd on a daily basis throughout Trump's first term. One can only guess...

[kahless]

Johnson & Pence are starting to look better to me compared to Clinton , Obummer , Biden , Trump , Kerry ,Gore etc . I wonder why he did not take the Gov of Ohio ? He has to get Ohio and has little chance .....

Kasich does not seem like the type to work well with others under management. Therefore not someone you could work with as VP. Like many establishment types likely would not playball with Trump if he was asked.

[oyarde]

Kasich does not seem like the type to work well with others under management. Therefore not someone you could work with as VP. Like many establishment types likely would not playball with Trump if he was asked.

Good point , Pence has more calm than Kasich and can discuss something that he does not agree with like a sane person.

[undergroundrr]

Pence's track record makes him sound like the evil spawn of Dick Cheney.

So far, this is turning out to be the most warmongering ticket that we've ever had in the USA.

Anyhow, LE & dannno will be posting the Molyneux videos that will make this brilliant choice all make rational sense in 3... 2...

[acptulsa]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=zYMD_W_r3Fg

[Suzanimal]

I keep misreading the thread title as Trash Picking...

[jllundqu]

Pence's track record makes him sound like the evil spawn of Dick Cheney.

So far, this is turning out to be the most warmongering ticket that we've ever had in the USA.

Anyhow, LE & dannno will be posting the Molyneux videos that will make this brilliant choice all make rational sense in 3... 2...

LMAO

[twomp]

As I've said elsewhere... this type of rhetoric proves nothing, has no intellectual value, just drives people into a bigger divide, degrades the level of discourse of the site and often leads to retaliation name calling and more. This isn't what we want. We appreciate your help in elevating the site discourse and thus supporting our mission of liberty.

As we are right on the issues (including not supporting Trump) we can use solid arguments and not rely on name calling.

Thanks.

Oh please, you don't go around with your little infraction pad slapping peoples hands when they call Clinton supporters names. People can call Obama, and Sanders supporters names and nothing happens. But talk about the Trump supporters and its time for you to crack out that whip? I guess we all know who you are voting for this November. Which is fine because this is your site. Just don't give me that whole "aw shucks, be nice act." The only people who get banned these days are people who don't support that authoritarian you all love so much. Make America great again!!

[CPUd]

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[Danke]

Oh please, you don't go around with your little infraction pad slapping peoples hands when they call Clinton supporters names. People can call Obama, and Sanders supporters names and nothing happens. But talk about the Trump supporters and its time for you to crack out that whip? I guess we all know who you are voting for this November. Which is fine because this is your site. Just don't give me that whole "aw shucks, be nice act." The only people who get banned these days are people who don't support that authoritarian you all love so much. Make America great again!!

Who are you referring to that got banned? I know Petar and AH02 have been banned in the recent past.

[DamianTV]

I dont think Trump is really an "outsider". He just represents a different set of "insiders", which is a threat to the current set of "insiders".

[LibertyEagle]

Pence's track record makes him sound like the evil spawn of Dick Cheney.

So far, this is turning out to be the most warmongering ticket that we've ever had in the USA.

Anyhow, LE & dannno will be posting the Molyneux videos that will make this brilliant choice all make rational sense in 3... 2...

Are you trying to pick another fight? If so, why?

[kahless]

Oh please, you don't go around with your little infraction pad slapping peoples hands when they call Clinton supporters names. People can call Obama, and Sanders supporters names and nothing happens. But talk about the Trump supporters and its time for you to crack out that whip? I guess we all know who you are voting for this November. Which is fine because this is your site. Just don't give me that whole "aw shucks, be nice act." The only people who get banned these days are people who don't support that authoritarian you all love so much. Make America great again!!

What more do you want? He already said in the very reply you quoted "including not supporting Trump" and he even put a big banner on the upper right of the page saying as much.

It is almost like the anti-Trump crowd behaves like the RINO establishment and Bryan the anti-establishment candidate trying to placate them always get burned in the process.

Your assessment of moderation here is false. Example - I do not promote Trump here but because I get attacked for agreeing with some of his policies or saying I chose to vote for him for various reasons has put me on the receiving end of many attacks. For which when I finally do say something back I have been temp banned multiple times, received many infractions and have had many of my posts deleted or censored.

Yet the people that do so like you I never see get banned. So your assessment of moderation here is false.

[silverhandorder]

Oh please, you don't go around with your little infraction pad slapping peoples hands when they call Clinton supporters names. People can call Obama, and Sanders supporters names and nothing happens. But talk about the Trump supporters and its time for you to crack out that whip? I guess we all know who you are voting for this November. Which is fine because this is your site. Just don't give me that whole "aw shucks, be nice act." The only people who get banned these days are people who don't support that authoritarian you all love so much. Make America great again!!

Oh we get infractions we just don't cry about them.

[Bryan]

Oh please, you don't go around with your little infraction pad slapping peoples hands when they call Clinton supporters names.
Did you get an infraction or any other mod level action for this? No, I replied like anyone else can.



People can call Obama, and Sanders supporters names and nothing happens. But talk about the Trump supporters and its time for you to crack out that whip?
The same principles apply. Generic name calling a group isn't against the guidelines, it is against our Community Values, however.


I guess we all know who you are voting for this November.
As I stated in my message to you, I do not support Trump. I certainly won't vote for him.


The only people who get banned these days are people who don't support that authoritarian you all love so much. Make America great again!!
People get banned for violating the guidelines, which includes promoting Trump. It would be counter to our mission to ban people who don't support Trump for no other reason.

[ChaosControl]

Well considering how toxic Trump is he had very few choices of experienced politicians so he just went with the safest "do no harm" from among those. Considering Pence would have probably even lost his reelection bid for governor it is no wonder he accepted the VP slot. Of course Kasich would turn it down as he still has a politicial future and could run in 2020.

I mean seriously the other possibilities were people like Gingrich and Christie. Really slim pickings of no future politicians.

[LibertyEagle]

Well considering how toxic Trump is he had very few choices of experienced politicians so he just went with the safest "do no harm" from among those. Considering Pence would have probably even lost his reelection bid for governor it is no wonder he accepted the VP slot. Of course Kasich would turn it down as he still has a politicial future and could run in 2020.

I mean seriously the other possibilities were people like Gingrich and Christie. Really slim pickings of no future politicians.

He hasn't chosen anyone at this point. He's supposed to announce his choice tomorrow.

[silverhandorder]

Well considering how toxic Trump is he had very few choices of experienced politicians so he just went with the safest "do no harm" from among those. Considering Pence would have probably even lost his reelection bid for governor it is no wonder he accepted the VP slot. Of course Kasich would turn it down as he still has a politicial future and could run in 2020.

I mean seriously the other possibilities were people like Gingrich and Christie. Really slim pickings of no future politicians.

You need to reassess your political knowledge if you think Kasich can ever win a nomination.

[ChaosControl]

What I think is irrelevent. What matters is what the politicians think. If they believe they have a politicial future they will probably stay as far from Trump as possible.

[helmuth_hubener]

I am going to go out on yet another limb and say I do not believe Pence will be the VP choice, either. This may be wishful thinking! But, in my last limb-going I not only predicted "not-Gingrich" but also "be a surprise". At this point Pence would not be a surprise -- Google and other news outlets have been announcing as fact Pence as VP for all day today.

I have my own idea on who it will likely be, and my own hopes of who would be a great pick (a plethora of fantasy picks, actually). Not the same, by the way. We'll see tomorrow! What a show that's being put on for us.

[CPUd]

I am going to go out on yet another limb and say I do not believe Pence will be the VP choice, either. This may be wishful thinking! But, in my last limb-going I not only predicted "not-Gingrich" but also "be a surprise". At this point Pence would not be a surprise -- Google and other news outlets have been announcing as fact Pence as VP for all day today.

I have my own idea on who it will likely be, and my own hopes of who would be a great pick (a plethora of fantasy picks, actually). Not the same, by the way. We'll see tomorrow! What a show that's being put on for us.

It's possible he pulls someone out from nowhere tomorrow, but it's very risky. The smartest move would be to put up 3 names and let the delegates choose. One problem with this- tomorrow at noon is the IN deadline for Pence to withdraw from his reelection campaign, so Pence would be quitting his office to maybe be on the ticket.

[CPUd]

Well, this sorta complicates things regarding Pence:
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[Krugminator2]

Not sure if anyone has posted this. But here is the letter Pence sent to Indiana members of Congress strongly urging the to vote for Trade Promotion Authority and TPP.

http://www.in.gov/ActiveCalendar/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=217165&information_id=213289&type=

[RandallFan]

Rand & Cruz supported TPP at one point. I don't think they are suicidal enough to rip off Trump in the medium term based on their 2020 campaign.

Pence can say he is wrong in the past on issues. Tancredo, Steve King and a few others did enough to delay his touchback amnesty plan.




Steve King & Jeff Sessions were outliers in the horrible GOP, now they are the only relevant people in congress in terms of the WH race. They do whatever they want. THe local party hacks can't get into the market they've created.

The terror attack may allow him more time to justify a pro-borders, anti jihad Dem.

The Manhattan city Madman:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/753728269019549696?lang=en

[Ender]

Well, this sorta complicates things regarding Pence:
753728269019549696

Why, how convenient.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

[The Rebel Poet]

I keep misreading the thread title as Trash Picking...
You didn't misread it.

[AuH20]

Oh we get infractions we just don't cry about them.

For example, I have been suspended twice for extended periods of time and not once have ever submitted a complaint against a single solitary soul, despite receiving some interesting private messages. In fact, I don't even think I have ever neg repped someone in my 7 year tenure here. I'm not a kindergartner who runs to the teacher every time something contrary to my narrow viewpoint comes across the screen.

[Ender]

For example, I have been suspended twice for extended periods of time and not once have ever submitted a complaint against a single solitary soul, despite receiving some interesting private messages. In fact, I don't even think I have ever neg repped someone in my 7 year tenure here. I'm not a kindergartner who runs to the teacher every time something contrary to my narrow viewpoint comes across the screen.

I've never -neg repped anyone either.

[spudea]

CNN appears to be reporting it as fact

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/politics/donald-trump-vice-presidential-choice/

[andy2044]

Part of me thinks he's going to change his mind on the VEEP now because of this attack and go the national security route and pick someone like Flynn.

Or this gives him time to back out of Pence (who his campaign people like) versus Newt (who his kids like) and others

[Ender]

Part of me thinks he's going to change his mind on the VEEP now because of this attack and go the national security route and pick someone like Flynn.

Or this gives him time to back out of Pence (who his campaign people like) versus Newt (who his kids like) and others

My guess has been Newt- but we shall see........

[nikcers]

Trump is too much of a Chris Christie hugger, Giuliani is on his fantasy presidential team too. He's connected to these globalists no other way he would get so much preferential treatment in the media. The solid money is on Chris Christie, I don't even doubt it.

[CPUd]

Part of me thinks he's going to change his mind on the VEEP now because of this attack and go the national security route and pick someone like Flynn.

Or this gives him time to back out of Pence (who his campaign people like) versus Newt (who his kids like) and others

We will know for sure about Pence tomorrow, if he files to run for reelection, it won't be him.

[spudea]

We will know for sure about Pence tomorrow, if he files to run for reelection, it won't be him.

Would Pence accept a cabinet position? That could also be a reason not to file for re-election. Or he might not file because he will likely lose re-election.

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2016/07/14/what-indiana-journalists-want-you-know-about-mike-pence/211531

[kahless]

I've never -neg repped anyone either.

Last one I got from you was on 4-29-16. LOL.

[Ender]

Last one I got from you was on 4-29-16. LOL.

Not true- I have never neg repped anyone- not my thing.

[undergroundrr]

We will know for sure about Pence tomorrow, if he files to run for reelection, it won't be him.

CNN says it's a done deal -
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/politics/donald-trump-vice-presidential-choice/

[cindy25]

better than Christie, but Newt would have been far better. Pence too establishment, and if anything goes wrong would give Trump no protection from impeachment. When Nixon picked Ford to replace Agnew his fate was sealed. Chaney protected Bush 43

[LibertyEagle]

Who is doing the lying about what people said? You accused CPUd of lying here:

Emphasis added.

Nobody said Trump would quit. So how is you accusing CPUd of lying on the basis of 'Trump never said he would quit' anything but a lie in itself?
You are splitting hairs. Trump never said he would or could quit. Period. Yet, the claim has been made on here several times that he did.


You may be ferocious enough, but you are not correct. How long are you going to keep thumping this tub? Are you capable of admitting you were wrong?
:rolleyes:
Trump NEVER SAID he could or would quit. Interesting that you are still trying to further this lie.


This. Plus all manner of passive-aggressive behaviors which are leading to infractions being passed out like candy. Three cheers for the neocon duopoly; looks like they're finding a way to divide the populace against itself again.

I can't claim to still be amazed at how rank-and-file Republicans get themselves played, over and over, again and again. I got used to that. What I can't seem to get used to is how proud they seem to be of getting played. Again and again.
I know the Republicans suck. Do you know the Libertarians do too?

[LibertyEagle]

I mean he is boring. Few Americans know him, and the media will have no interest covering him. Trump realizes that he has an advantage over Hillary in nearly every facet of the race. Voters like his policies better, they like him better, and all he has to do to win this thing is not screw up by doing or saying something crazy over the next few months. Conversely, Hillary's only hope is that Trump and his team DO commit some blunder and she is able to successfully demagogue it.

Christie or Newt are high profile guys with huge egos that might well give Hillary that crazy or controversial sound bite she's looking for. Flynn is a straight shooter with no political experience and you could easily see him making a huge mistake too. Pence is boring, experienced politician unlikely to say anything off script. And he's so uninteresting to the public and press that in the odd event he did say something interesting, there's a good chance nobody would be around to cover it anyway.

It is the 4th Quarter, Trump has the lead, and now he's just trying to run out the clock. Pence is the perfect pick for that. Objectionable to no one, boring, disciplined, and sure to be forgotten by next week and play little to no role in the campaign.

He's objectionable to me. He's a neocon. Kristol's anointed one. He's not as bad as Johnson's pick, Bill Weld, but sheesh. This ain't good. So, no celebration going on here if he does in fact turn out to be Trump's VP pick.

[Danke]

Not true- I have never neg repped anyone- not my thing.

-rep

[Ender]

-rep

:eek::(:p

I've GOTTEN a few of those. ;)

LOL

[cajuncocoa]

//

[Ender]

It IS true, dammit. Stop badgering people.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/08/us/politics/donald-trump-president.html?_r=4&referer=http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/07/did_trump_just_suggest_he_might_not_serve_as_presi .html (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/08/us/politics/donald-trump-president.html?_r=4&referer=http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/07/did_trump_just_suggest_he_might_not_serve_as_presi .html)

I've posted a few similar links- LE ignores them.

[cajuncocoa]

//

[silverhandorder]

It IS true, dammit. Stop badgering people.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/08/us/politics/donald-trump-president.html (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/08/us/politics/donald-trump-president.html?_r=4&referer=http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/07/did_trump_just_suggest_he_might_not_serve_as_presi .html)

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/07/did_trump_just_suggest_he_might_not_serve_as_presi .html

Quote me where he says he will quit. Retarded questions being posed to him does humor me.

[cajuncocoa]

//

[jonhowe]

The Supreme Court is another issue that I see no other way around it than voting for Trump. I pulled the quote below from another thread and he makes a good point. How do you anti-Trumpers reconcile opposing Trump so vehemently that you are so willing to give Hillary the power to nominate Supreme Court justices?

If you live in 40 of 50 states, it doesn't matter who you vote for between Trump and Clinton. Choosing a palatable 3rd party and getting big numbers (double digits) to vote for them is the ONLY vote people will notice in non swing states.

[Brian4Liberty]

If you live in 40 of 50 states, it doesn't matter who you vote for between Trump and Clinton. Choosing a palatable 3rd party and getting big numbers (double digits) to vote for them is the ONLY vote people will notice in non swing states.

That's the fact.

[Ender]

Quote me where he says he will quit. Retarded questions being posed to him does humor me.

It's been answered several times.


CPUd
This guy could even be POTUS on Day 2. Trump has said he could resign if he got elected and didn't feel like doing the job. Otherwise, he would be VPINO:

Trump Adviser: Trump Will Outsource Being President to His VP

torchbearer
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/08/us...dent.html?_r=0

Would Donald Trump Quit if He Wins the Election? He Doesn’t Rule It Out

Ender
The Times cites a recent interview with the presumptive GOP nominee in which a scenario was posed to him about declining the presidency right after defeating Hillary Clinton. Trump, the report says, "flashed a mischievous smile," then says, "I’ll let you know how I feel about it after it happens."

The story goes on to say that this could've been simply another of the real estate mogul's bids to gain media attention, though notes that the idea that Trump's competitive desire to win the highest office in the land might surpass his interest in actually serving in it wouldn't exactly be wildly inconsistent with how some might look at this most unusual of campaigns.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...lege/86807474/

cajuncocoa
It IS true, dammit. Stop badgering people.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/08/us/politics/donald-trump-president.html

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf..._as_presi.html


And the specific word was "could", not "would".

Here is the link CPUd referred to where Trump's advisor states that Trump will "outsource the President's job to his VP":

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/05/26/trump_adviser_says_trump_s_vp_will_handle_the_day_ to_day_job.html

[silverhandorder]

This guy could even be POTUS on Day 2. Trump has said he could resign if he got elected and didn't feel like doing the job. Otherwise, he would be VPINO:

Trump Adviser: Trump Will Outsource Being President to His VP (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?495831-Trump-Adviser-Trump-Will-Outsource-Being-President-to-His-VP)


That's not what CPUd said, so why should I be expected to find such a quote? Reading comprehension is your friend.

Pray tell me what does this quote mean then ? Does it not contain words Trump said?

[silverhandorder]

It's been answered several times.



And the specific word was "could", not "would".
So then you lied.

[Ender]

So then you lied.

Nooooo....... CPUd specifically said: COULD.

I merely showed the links that support that.

[cajuncocoa]

//

[donnay]

Lol he picked this neocon ?? How can people keep defending him???

I am not defending this...but did Ronald Reagan really want George H. W. Bush?

[Ender]

I am not defending this...but did Ronald Reagan really want George H. W. Bush?

Reagan was a charismatic puppet.

[undergroundrr]

I am not defending this...but did Ronald Reagan really want George H. W. Bush?

Regardless, we got Bush as a president eventually. And his son. And 9/11 and the Department of Homeland Security and the surveillance state and the Iraq War and Afghanistan and Al Qaeda and ISIS and Bataclan and Nice. Could Pres. Clinton be much worse?

One or two more terrorist acts on Western soil in the next 3 months and Trump/Pence is our president regardless. It's funny how this pattern always plays out.

[donnay]

Reagan was a charismatic puppet.

In the beginning of his campaign I believe he believed he could make a difference. When he was elected (by a landslide), in his first 100 days he was making a difference. Then John Hinkley took a shot at him. Just sayin'

[AuH20]

Reagan was a charismatic puppet.

Getting shot 3 months into your term tends to dim one's enthusiasm. Reagan was a huge disappointment but it wasn't as clearcut as you think.

[AuH20]

In the beginning of his campaign I believe he believed he could make a difference. When he was elected (by a landslide), in his first 100 days he was making a difference. Then John Hinkley took a shot at him. Just sayin'

Nancy knew. Nancy hated the Bushes.

http://www.infowars.com/why-nancy-reagan-hated-the-bush-family/


Wayne Madsen Reports was told by a longtime national security aide to then-President Ronald Reagan that First Lady Nancy Reagan told White House staff that “I never want to see the Bushes again.”

The comment came after Bush family friend John Hinckley attempted to assassinate Reagan on March 30, 1981, some seven weeks after the presidential inauguration. Mrs. Reagan apparently was convinced that Vice President George H W Bush and Second Lady Barbara Bush were somehow connected to the assassination attempt.

[Mr.NoSmile]

Again, not sure what Trump intended with Pence as his running mate, but it's certainly not changing minds.

[donnay]

Regardless, we got Bush as a president eventually. And his son. And 9/11 and the Department of Homeland Security and the surveillance state and the Iraq War and Afghanistan and Al Qaeda and ISIS and Bataclan and Nice. Could Pres. Clinton be much worse?


Yes, that is the point I am driving here. Preordained, regardless. Bush Sr. lied us into war, so did Bush Jr., they got this endless wars going. Clinton and Bush are nearly one in the same. It makes no difference.

[helmuth_hubener]

I am going to go out on yet another limb and say I do not believe Pence will be the VP choice, either. This may be wishful thinking! But, in my last limb-going I not only predicted "not-Gingrich" but also "be a surprise". At this point Pence would not be a surprise -- Google and other news outlets have been announcing as fact Pence as VP for all day today.

I have my own idea on who it will likely be, and my own hopes of who would be a great pick (a plethora of fantasy picks, actually). Not the same, by the way. We'll see tomorrow! What a show that's being put on for us.

Welp, I sure got that wrong! I guess wishes don't always come true just because you want them to. Who knew?

My guess was that it would be Scott Brown, about whom everyone had forgotten. I guess they'd forgotten for a reason.

[Brian4Liberty]

Again, not sure what Trump intended with Pence as his running mate, but it's certainly not changing minds.

Neocons, teocons, evangelicals and globalists are happy.

[Peace&Freedom]

The choice of Pence was terrible, especially in terms of Trump's three biggies of restricting immigration, opposing globalist trade deals, and opposing nation-building interventions like Iraq (Pence voted for amnesty, supported TPP and voted for the Iraq war). The only two things that may redeem it is Trump chose him to fortify and energize social conservatives behind him (Pence is like picking Cruz, without the sleaziness or the constitutionally unqualified issues), and picking him shuts up the establishment donors, without changing the actual agenda Trump intends to pursue.

Trump may well have considered the matter of "assassination bait" involved in picking an establishment favorite, and deliberately picked the lamest and most unexciting one he could tolerate as his running mate, to neutralize the elite as much as possible. Pence is an evangelical, after all, and that factor is the real reason why the establishment did not warm up to Cruz in the primaries. The IN Governor also did not look like he was going fare well in his reelection, which does not fit the winning profile the elite wants in its Presidential figureheads. It is thus improbable that Pence (absent a barbell accident) will be ever following Trump as President, and reversing his policies.

[Ender]

Getting shot 3 months into your term tends to dim one's enthusiasm. Reagan was a huge disappointment but it wasn't as clearcut as you think.

Oh, I completely understand- he wasn't obeying properly- same as JFK.

[Brian4Liberty]

LOL. The neocon spin is already turning negative now. "Trump should have picked a woman or minority." Something tells me there was a push by some for Condi the neocon behind the scenes.

[CaptUSA]

The choice of Pence was terrible, especially in terms of Trump's three biggies of restricting immigration, opposing globalist trade deals, and opposing nation-building interventions like Iraq (Pence voted for amnesty, supported TPP and voted for the Iraq war). The only two things that may redeem it is Trump chose him to fortify and energize social conservatives behind him (Pence is like picking Cruz, without the sleaziness or the constitutionally unqualified issues), and picking him shuts up the establishment donors, without changing the actual agenda Trump intends to pursue.

Trump may well have considered the matter of "assassination bait" involved in picking an establishment favorite, and deliberately picked the lamest and most unexciting one he could tolerate as his running mate, to neutralize the elite as much as possible. Pence is an evangelical, after all, and that factor is the real reason why the establishment did not warm up to Cruz in the primaries. The IN Governor also did not look like he was going fare well in his reelection, which does not fit the winning profile the elite wants in its Presidential figureheads. It is thus improbable that Pence (absent a barbell accident) will be ever following Trump as President, and reversing his policies.:rolleyes:

There ya go... Keep rationalizing things in your head. Instead of looking at what Trump has just done, look at what YOU think he might have really been doing that he just doesn't want to tell everyone else. This method of consuming information has worked so well so far this primary season.

[nikcers]

The choice of Pence was terrible, especially in terms of Trump's three biggies of restricting immigration, opposing globalist trade deals, and opposing nation-building interventions like Iraq (Pence voted for amnesty, supported TPP and voted for the Iraq war). The only two things that may redeem it is Trump chose him to fortify and energize social conservatives behind him (Pence is like picking Cruz, without the sleaziness or the constitutionally unqualified issues), and picking him shuts up the establishment donors, without changing the actual agenda Trump intends to pursue. .


Cruz has a way better voting record. cool story.

[erowe1]

The choice of Pence was terrible, especially in terms of Trump's three biggies of restricting immigration, opposing globalist trade deals, and opposing nation-building interventions like Iraq

That's because the only people who thought those were Trump's 3 biggies were former Ron Paul supporters who made believe that Trump agreed with them when he never did.

[erowe1]

I mean he is boring. Few Americans know him, and the media will have no interest covering him.

These are the words of someone who has never paid much attention to politics. That's the only way I can make sense of you saying that. If Pence had run for president this cycle, he probably would be the Republican nominee right now instead of Trump.

[silverhandorder]

I still support Trump. But nice to see people that never supported him being gleeful. Like that changed anything for you.

[Origanalist]

I still support Trump. But nice to see people that never supported him being gleeful. Like that changed anything for you.

Get ready to see a lot more nice things in the near future.

[Peace&Freedom]

:rolleyes:

There ya go... Keep rationalizing things in your head. Instead of looking at what Trump has just done, look at what YOU think he might have really been doing that he just doesn't want to tell everyone else. This method of consuming information has worked so well so far this primary season.

Actually, you are the one who keeps rationalizing every glass half full, as a glass half empty situation. Pence as a "picking Cruz-without-Cruz" decision is based on political history (it is widely known that GHW Bush chose Quayle in '88 to attract Jack Kemp supporters, without picking Kemp himself). It's also consistent with Trump's already established pattern (ala the Apprentice) of making selections based on his preference for loyal team people, who have "shown him something" during their evaluation.

Pence evidently passed that process. Were you prepared to say good words about Trump, if he made a better choice? Of course not. So I'm the one referencing what Trump has done, whether I like the resulting choice or not, while you're one dumping on him again, regardless of what he does.

[LibertyEagle]

That's because the only people who thought those were Trump's 3 biggies were former Ron Paul supporters who made believe that Trump agreed with them when he never did.

lolol.

POT

KETTLE

BLACK

[Peace&Freedom]

That's because the only people who thought those were Trump's 3 biggies were former Ron Paul supporters who made believe that Trump agreed with them when he never did.


These are the words of someone who has never paid much attention to politics. That's the only way I can make sense of you saying that. If Pence had run for president this cycle, he probably would be the Republican nominee right now instead of Trump.

Pence probably couldn't get reelected in IN this year, and you have him winning the national nomination? I'll take my judgment on Trump over yours anytime.

[nikcers]

Pence probably couldn't get reelected in IN this year, and you have him winning the national nomination? I'll take my judgment on Trump over yours anytime.
Well I reject your reality and substitute my own.

[CaptUSA]

Pence evidently passed that process. Were you prepared to say good words about Trump, if he made a better choice? Of course not. So I'm the one referencing what Trump has done, whether I like the resulting choice or not, while you're one dumping on him again, regardless of what he does.

Lol - I had no illusions that Trump might have made a good choice. I don't watch reality TV shows, so I don't know the "pattern", but I've seen the man in action and understand him for what he is - not what I want him to be. Seriously, go back and read your post 155. Clearly, you can tell you are trying to justify this in your head, by inferring things that you hope to be true.

I'm not "dumping on Trump" - that's too easy and not worth the effort - I'm showing you how you are deluding yourself. You are buying the con. But you can't bring yourself to recognize it.

Every time he says or does something that is EXACTLY opposite of what you think he should be doing or saying, you still defend it. Here we have an authoritarian whose salesmanship is so good that he is convincing otherwise rational people that he is the answer to whatever ails them. And what ails them? Well, that depends on what you want to believe about him - but he has the cure for you.

Tell us... Are you planning on making these same kinds of self-rationalizations should he get the ability to start selecting SC Judges??

[moostraks]

Neocons, teocons, evangelicals and globalists are happy.

Well now, that should take the wind out of the sails of those who cast aspersions upon never Trump folks who still say never Trump.

[ArrestPoliticians]

although I have heard good things, his record on foreign policy in particular is absolutely atrocious. Trump didn't have many great choices but he should have chosen a libertarian or Ben Carson(even if a liability). The religious aspect also will hurt Trump with independents. All he is doing is winning over a few of the butthurt neocon voters.

Having said that, he's better than Gingrich or Christie but at least Christie was loyal to Trump on a personal level that Pence won't be.

[CPUd]

The choice of Pence was terrible, especially in terms of Trump's three biggies of restricting immigration, opposing globalist trade deals, and opposing nation-building interventions like Iraq (Pence voted for amnesty, supported TPP and voted for the Iraq war). The only two things that may redeem it is Trump chose him to fortify and energize social conservatives behind him (Pence is like picking Cruz, without the sleaziness or the constitutionally unqualified issues), and picking him shuts up the establishment donors, without changing the actual agenda Trump intends to pursue.

Trump may well have considered the matter of "assassination bait" involved in picking an establishment favorite, and deliberately picked the lamest and most unexciting one he could tolerate as his running mate, to neutralize the elite as much as possible. Pence is an evangelical, after all, and that factor is the real reason why the establishment did not warm up to Cruz in the primaries. The IN Governor also did not look like he was going fare well in his reelection, which does not fit the winning profile the elite wants in its Presidential figureheads. It is thus improbable that Pence (absent a barbell accident) will be ever following Trump as President, and reversing his policies.

Trump picked the guy least likely to get him laughed at by the press, his opponents and the group of voters he needs to keep from losing in a landslide. It's transparent, and really that simple.

[Peace&Freedom]

I'm not "dumping on Trump" - that's too easy and not worth the effort - I'm showing you how you are deluding yourself. You are buying the con. But you can't bring yourself to recognize it.

Reality check, once again---I'm the one who said Pence was a bad choice both before Trump made it, and after Trump made it. And I'm the one who made history-based points about why he did it. How is that being delusional? It's you who keep making fact-free pronouncements, but can't bring yourself to recognize it.


Trump picked the guy least likely to get him laughed at by the press, his opponents and the group of voters he needs to keep from losing in a landslide. It's transparent, and really that simple.

Trump leads Hillary in several battleground states (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/287845-democrats-freaked-out-about-polls-in-meeting-with-clinton), and trails her within the margin of error in most of the others, after being outspent 40-1 by her over the last few months in those states. She can't bury him, even when hers was the only side spending any money, and despite his having a bad June. That's a straightforward sign of his polling strength, even before Pence was picked, showing it's Hillary who faces the threat of losing by a landslide.

[CaptUSA]

Reality check, once again---I'm the one who said Pence was a bad choice both before Trump made it, and after Trump made it. And I'm the one who made history-based points about why he did it. How is that being delusional? It's you who keep making fact-free pronouncements, but can't bring yourself to recognize it.

Lol - history-based.


The choice of Pence was terrible, especially in terms of Trump's three biggies of restricting immigration, opposing globalist trade deals, and opposing nation-building interventions like Iraq (Pence voted for amnesty, supported TPP and voted for the Iraq war). The only two things that may redeem it is Trump chose him to fortify and energize social conservatives behind him (Pence is like picking Cruz, without the sleaziness or the constitutionally unqualified issues), and picking him shuts up the establishment donors, without changing the actual agenda Trump intends to pursue.

Trump may well have considered the matter of "assassination bait" involved in picking an establishment favorite, and deliberately picked the lamest and most unexciting one he could tolerate as his running mate, to neutralize the elite as much as possible. Pence is an evangelical, after all, and that factor is the real reason why the establishment did not warm up to Cruz in the primaries. The IN Governor also did not look like he was going fare well in his reelection, which does not fit the winning profile the elite wants in its Presidential figureheads. It is thus improbable that Pence (absent a barbell accident) will be ever following Trump as President, and reversing his policies.

You are bending over backwards trying to find a rational explanation for a decision that doesn't comport with you previously held beliefs. Please look up cognitive dissonance and how people respond to cognitive dissonance. This post is a PERFECT example.

[CPUd]

Trump has only the best logos!

https://i.imgur.com/HSZFt6H.gif

[Peace&Freedom]

You are bending over backwards trying to find a rational explanation for a decision that doesn't comport with you previously held beliefs. Please look up cognitive dissonance and how people respond to cognitive dissonance. This post is a PERFECT example.

It's a perfect example of your irrational selectivity. The observations you highlighted were based on history and fact, as itemized in the NEXT post or reply to you, which you skipped mentioning. Whereas your observations have been rehashed without facts, or are contradicted by actual history. One more fact, to evidence that Trump is on the same wavelength as SC voters, is this week's 700 Club interview where Pat Robertson admits he's been a close friend of Trump's for years:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMn1VUuiTdw

[CaptUSA]

Lol...

http://therawness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tumblr_mhrctsk9RR1qdgleso1_500.png

http://www.simplypsychology.org/cognitive-dissonance.jpg

[francisco]

Trump has only the best logos!

https://i.imgur.com/HSZFt6H.gif

Huh. When I hear the letters T P I think of toilet paper.

[silverhandorder]

Trump has only the best logos!

https://i.imgur.com/HSZFt6H.gif

(Mod edit) Winners win by their strength instead of trying to tear someone down.

[CPUd]

Reality check, once again---I'm the one who said Pence was a bad choice both before Trump made it, and after Trump made it. And I'm the one who made history-based points about why he did it. How is that being delusional? It's you who keep making fact-free pronouncements, but can't bring yourself to recognize it.



Trump leads Hillary in several battleground states, and trails her within the margin of error in most of the others, after being outspent 40-1 by her over the last few months in those states. She can't bury him, even when hers was the only side spending any money, and despite his having a bad June. That's a straightforward sign of his polling strength, even before Pence was picked, showing it's Hillary who faces the threat of losing by a landslide.

If you want to go with last poll method to determine who's ahead:

http://i.imgur.com/s7RakX7.png

Clinton is ahead in CO, VA, NC, FL, PA. But Trump is winning bigly in MO. As a reminder, Trump needs to win all the 2012 Romney states, plus FL, OH, PA and 1 other 2012 Obama state. He's losing in NC, and Clinton is within the margin of error in TX. The D's haven't even started on him yet, they are just testing attack vectors by playing Trump's own soundbites, like this one:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrX3Ql31URA

[CPUd]

(mod edit). Winners win by their strength instead of trying to tear someone down.

That logo screams "mock me please!!", it came form another forum member, and probably wasn't created by a "liberal"

[Danke]

If you want to go with last poll method to determine who's ahead:

http://i.imgur.com/s7RakX7.png

Clinton is ahead in CO, VA, NC, FL, PA. But Trump is winning bigly in MO. As a reminder, Trump needs to win all the 2012 Romney states, plus FL, OH, PA and 1 other 2012 Obama state. He's losing in NC, and Clinton is within the margin of error in TX. The D's haven't even started on him yet, they are just testing attack vectors by playing Trump's own soundbites, like this one:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrX3Ql31URA

Go Hillary!

[afwjam]

Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Clinton. Meanwhile Clinton will win running ads of Trumps own words and say think of the children, who are really just being cultivated for her husband and his buddies. What a fucked up world we live in. Joke is obvious, how can your vote count when criminals count the votes?

[William Tell]

Leave it to liberals to mock and ridicule. This is why you are an eternal loser. Winners win by their strength instead of trying to tear someone down.
Trump must be a real loser the way he tries to tear everyone down.

[cajuncocoa]

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[Ender]

Trump must be a real loser the way he tries to tear everyone down.

Does that apply to his adorers too? ;)

[CPUd]

https://i.imgur.com/SXQWfN9.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/cOCgqXo.jpg




Donald Trump Told Ally of Mike Pence Decision Wednesday Night


The phone call came at 11:30pm on Wednesday. I’ve made my decision, Donald Trump told Jerry Falwell, Jr., before revealing that Indiana Governor Mike Pence would be his running mate. “Nobody knows but you,” the Liberty University president says Trump told him.

Trump’s pick came after three days of in-depth calls back-and-forth with evangelical leaders on whether Pence or former House Speaker Newt Gingrich would better appeal to their constituents. “He really is giving weight to the evangelical vote—it was his primary consideration,” Falwell says. “I made it clear to him that myself, and I believe the evangelical world, would strongly embrace either one.”

Trump’s late night call to Falwell was their fourth in three days. Earlier Wednesday morning, Trump called and listened as Falwell offered pros and cons for each of his two finalists: Pence may not have as great of name recognition, but Gingrich was more polarizing. “He joked, ‘You wouldn’t believe how they well vet these candidates, but the only one they don’t vet is me!’” Falwell says. “But, he added, ‘The American people vet me pretty well.’”

After they hung up, Falwell called Franklin Graham, who was on vacation in Alaska, to get his thoughts. Falwell gave him Trump’s number so Graham could discuss his opinions with the candidate directly. After Graham talked with Trump, he and Falwell debriefed. Graham, who maintains that he is not an advocate for a political party, declined to comment on his call with Trump. “It was a private conversation,” he told TIME through a spokesman. Graham was also part of a small group of evangelicals, including Falwell, who met privately with Trump in June.

Televangelist James Robison, president of Life Outreach International, had also been talking with Trump’s team about the vice presidential selection. Robison, like Falwell, is a member of Trump’s evangelical advisory board. “Pence seemed to bring understanding of working in the arena new to Trump and important balance to Trump, and would build confidence in his own judgment and recognition of the importance of wise counsel,” Robison says. “I had made it clear God uses imperfect people to accomplish his perfect will….when the imperfect hear and heed wise counsel.”

...

http://time.com/4408435/donald-trump-mike-pence-vice-president/

[RandallFan]

https://i.imgur.com/cOCgqXo.jpg




Trump should have picked this man in the middle of the photo with the gold tie. Gov. McCrory. But it looks way worse if Trump attack McCrory than some nobody like Pence attacking Trump.

[Jim Casey]

The Trump campaign is slacking. With as much as they've spent, although significantly less than the Hillary campaign, you would think the official campaign website would have some Trump/Pence 2016 bumper magnets for sale as soon as the announcement was made.