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enhanced_deficit
07-08-2016, 01:22 PM
This wdely awaited news citing seemingly grossly underestimated numbers was posted in another thread but this topic probably deserves a separate thread.


Obama claims US drones strikes have killed up to 116 civilians

Long-awaited assessment of death toll under Obama, criticized as an undercount, acknowledges government does not always know how many civilians it kills

The White House and the CIA pioneered the strikes during the George W Bush era and dramatically accelerated them during Obama’s presidency.

Friday 1 July 2016

Barack Obama has claimed that droneand other airstrikes,his favored tactics of war, have killed between 64 and 116 civilians during his administration, a tally which was criticized as undercounted even before Friday’s announcement.

The long-promised assessment acknowledged that the government itself does not always know how many civilians it kills and that it may revise its death tolls over time.

The assessment presents the White House’s account of the death toll from a method of warfare that defines Obama’s legacy in many parts of the world. The White House released its long-awaited drones report the afternoon before the Fourth of July holiday weekend, having pledged transparency on the drones issue for years.
Yet the count is also incomplete, leaving out the civilian toll from drone strikes in Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq. Nor did the administration go into detail about where the strikes occur, citing what an official told reporters on Friday were “diplomatic sensitivities”, even as it presented the assessment as a significant advance in transparency. The Guardian has filed a freedom of information act request for records relating to the civilian-death assessment in the US bombing campaign in Iraq and Syria, where thus far the US military has concluded it has killed (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/22/us-airstrikes-syria-iraq-civilian-deaths-transparency) 36 civilians since summer 2015 (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/22/us-led-military-coalition-civilian-casualties-strikes-isis-iraq-syria).

In 2013, senior Republican senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said that drone strikes had killed 4,700 people (https://www.wired.com/2013/02/graham-drones/), some 2,000 more deaths than the upper limit the administration released on Friday.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ivilian-deaths (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/01/obama-drones-strikes-civilian-deaths)

wizardwatson
07-08-2016, 01:25 PM
Hey, it's a small price to pay in winning the war on terror and protecting lives here at home.

We are winning, right?

http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/images/2015/11/blogs/graphic-detail/20151121_woc539.png

Ronin Truth
07-08-2016, 01:27 PM
Now about that Peace Prize, Barry .........

enhanced_deficit
07-08-2016, 01:30 PM
Hey, it's a small price to pay in winning the war on terror and protecting lives here at home.

We are winning, right?

http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/images/2015/11/blogs/graphic-detail/20151121_woc539.png


This chart disturbingly looks like US Stock markets chart. Hopefully there is no co-relation and terrorists do not drive funding from Wall Street profiteering.


Obama's $195 Million Aid Package for Al Qaeda-Led Syrian Rebels (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/08/obamas-195-million-aid-package-for-al-qaeda-led-syrian-rebels-latest-move-against-assad-but-whats-the-end-game/)
Aug 8, 2013

Obama Waives Ban on Arming Terrorists to Aid Syrian Rebels (http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2013/09/17/obama-waives-ban-on-arming-terrorists-to-aid-syrian-rebels/)
3 days ago

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/poll_posticon.gif Poll: Will Neocons-Al Qaeda alliance end well? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?427051-Will-Neocons-Al-Qaeda-alliance-end-well&)

wizardwatson
07-08-2016, 02:17 PM
This chart disturbingly looks like US Stock markets chart. Hopefully there is no co-relation and terrorists do not drive funding from Wall Street profiteering.


Obama's $195 Million Aid Package for Al Qaeda-Led Syrian Rebels (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/08/obamas-195-million-aid-package-for-al-qaeda-led-syrian-rebels-latest-move-against-assad-but-whats-the-end-game/)
Aug 8, 2013

Obama Waives Ban on Arming Terrorists to Aid Syrian Rebels (http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2013/09/17/obama-waives-ban-on-arming-terrorists-to-aid-syrian-rebels/)
3 days ago

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/poll_posticon.gif Poll: Will Neocons-Al Qaeda alliance end well? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?427051-Will-Neocons-Al-Qaeda-alliance-end-well&)

The Syrian war we started was a major turning point which was at around same time we killed Qaddafi. You see how the graph shoots upward like a rocket after 2011. The average person doesn't realize the global significance of Syria. Terrorism skyrocketed after we did all that.

Government loves to report all the "lives we've saved stopping terrorist attacks". Of course you did. When there weren't any you weren't stopping any. Now that you've created 20 you've stopped 10. How will we ever thank you. :rolleyes:

enhanced_deficit
07-08-2016, 02:54 PM
Bill had attacked disgraced dronegangsta (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?433586-Majority-of-Americans-now-believe-Obama-is-quot-dishonest-and-untrustworthy) on this also:


Bill Clinton Takes Another Swing at Obama "Things are Coming Apart around the World" (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/justinholcomb/2016/04/07/bill-clinton-takes-another-shot-at-obama-n2145036)
Apr 07, 2016
Bill Clinton once again made a skeptical remark regarding Barack Obama's administration and how he has handled global issues over the past seven years.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/justinh...obama-n2145036 (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/justinholcomb/2016/04/07/bill-clinton-takes-another-shot-at-obama-n2145036)

Suzanimal
07-08-2016, 03:07 PM
Barack Obama has claimed that drone and other airstrikes,his favored tactics of war, have killed between 64 and 116 civilians during his administration


leaving out the civilian toll from drone strikes in Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq.

O_o