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jllundqu
07-05-2016, 01:10 PM
Why doesn't this party gain more traction? They seem lightyears more appealing than the Libertarian party... they are certainly more appealing than the traditional parties. Are they lepers or something? Do they hold policy positions that we don't support?

Just curious why they don't garner more support, especially here on RPF

William Tell
07-05-2016, 01:16 PM
The CP, like any party, has a number of factions. Some members are strict supporters of the Constitution and individual liberty, others are social cons etc.

On RPF, I see a lot of criticism of some parts of the party platform. But no one really cares what the GOP or LP platforms contain, just what the candidates believe. Darrell Castle, the presidential nominee supports non-intervention, ending the drug war, and getting the government entirely out of marriage for what it's worth.

Suzanimal
07-05-2016, 01:21 PM
Darrell Castle's probably the best of the lot of them but that's not saying too much. I disagree with his immigration plan, fwiw.

euphemia
07-05-2016, 03:15 PM
He is a good candidate. He's the only one who wants to end the Federal Reserve. He's the only one who believes in a noninterventionist foreign policy. He's the only one who wants to get rid of entitlements.

The party itself is the problem.

RonPaulMall
07-06-2016, 09:47 AM
The Libertarian Party has a more prestigious legacy which gives it higher name recognition and greater ballot access. With the LP nominating sell outs the past few cycles while the CP has done a pretty good job, things will probably start to change in the future and we may see the relative standing of the two parties flipped. But that takes time. It will take multiple cycles of Bob Barr/Gary Johnson type candidates even beyond what we've already seen to truly wipe the Libertarian Party out. And during that time the CP will need to make sure it continues to nominate rock solid candidates like Darrell Castle in order to be in a position to take advantage.

euphemia
07-06-2016, 04:17 PM
I disagree. The LP candidates this year are horrible. They have sold out libertarian principles for some publicity.

anaconda
07-06-2016, 05:13 PM
Looks like the Constitution Party will get my vote this time, assuming they have ballot access here.

I only worry that, if elected, they might restart the Crusades. Possibly legalize witch burning. etc.

But seriously, they seem to be kind of a magnet for devout Christians, yet the Constitution provides for social welfare among all persons. They seem to keep nominating deacons and pastors, which is fine by me but may make it look like a bit of a closed club. Maybe it's a good approach for their growth model at this juncture. If they could recruit large amounts of Republican socons and Republican libertarians it could begin to become competitive.

anaconda
07-06-2016, 05:28 PM
He is a good candidate. He's the only one who wants to end the Federal Reserve. He's the only one who believes in a noninterventionist foreign policy. He's the only one who wants to get rid of entitlements.

The party itself is the problem.

I need to read more on Castle. Sounds like a good guy. I wonder where he stands on the drug "war?"

William Tell
07-06-2016, 05:33 PM
I need to read more on Castle. Sounds like a good guy. I wonder where he stands on the drug "war?"

Here you go:
What’s your view of the drug war? And what would be your approach to drugs, as President, from a constitutional standing?

I view the drug war as a total failure and would stop it immediately. The United States certainly has a right to determine what crosses its borders but in general drug policy should be on the state level. I personally favor decriminalization of drugs.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?497441-Darrell-Castle-Says-He%92s-More-Libertarian-Than-Gary-Johnson

euphemia
07-06-2016, 05:35 PM
I need to read more on Castle. Sounds like a good guy. I wonder where he stands on the drug "war?"

I have heard him speak. He is for personal liberty and does not believe people should be incarcerated for a crime in which the only victim is themselves. That is as close to his own wording as I can recall.

anaconda
07-06-2016, 07:32 PM
I have heard him speak. He is for personal liberty and does not believe people should be incarcerated for a crime in which the only victim is themselves. That is as close to his own wording as I can recall.

Thank you for your comment and this is good but the following is perhaps not (Party Platform):

We support legislation to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the United States from foreign sources. As a matter of self-defense, retaliatory policies including embargoes, sanctions, and tariffs, should be considered.

anaconda
07-06-2016, 07:38 PM
Here you go:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?497441-Darrell-Castle-Says-He%92s-More-Libertarian-Than-Gary-Johnson

Excellent. Thank you. Yet, the U.S. "determining what crosses its borders" is somewhat ambiguous. Sounds like trade restrictions and a possible drug war on the border which might allow the feds to give chase to it throughout the land. Although I suppose if drugs were legal then the import issue would cease to be a "war" but more like import issues with Toyotas or microwave ovens.

cajuncocoa
07-06-2016, 07:42 PM
http://www.ontheissues.org/Constitution_Party.htm

LibertyEagle
07-06-2016, 07:48 PM
He looks pretty damned good. http://castle2016.com/issues/

Besides Ron, he's the first one I've seen talking about the UN's Agenda 21 and the need to get it out of our communities.

RJ Liberty
07-06-2016, 08:16 PM
Why doesn't this party gain more traction? They seem lightyears more appealing than the Libertarian party... they are certainly more appealing than the traditional parties. Are they lepers or something? Do they hold policy positions that we don't support?

Just curious why they don't garner more support, especially here on RPF

The CP holds many biblical positions: no porn, no gambling, no weddings or civil unions for homosexuals, transgenders and "deviants" (according to the platform (https://www.constitutionparty.com/family/) on their website), and no statehood for Puerto Rico.

The VP pick, Scott Bradley, is a Mormon, and has written some articles about LDS Liberty (http://www.ldsliberty.org/the-divine-purpose-of-article-v/).

OnTheIssues.org has rated them below:
http://www.ontheissues.org/images/s020_090.gif

I wish all third parties well, but I can't vote for them. I want to be able to buy porn if I want, I want to be able to gamble, and I don't begrudge gays getting married if they want.

H. E. Panqui
07-06-2016, 08:52 PM
...looks like a lot of bible-thumping...your smarter people aren't going to like that...

Preamble to the Constitution Party Platform (https://www.constitutionparty.com/preamble/)The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.

This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on a foundation of Christian principles and values. For this very reason peoples of all faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.

The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries.

Origanalist
07-06-2016, 08:56 PM
He looks pretty damned good. http://castle2016.com/issues/

Besides Ron, he's the first one I've seen talking about the UN's Agenda 21 and the need to get it out of our communities.

He is by far and away the best one running.

erowe1
07-06-2016, 09:16 PM
Castle is definitely the best candidate.

The CP isn't on the ballot in my state though. I'm sure Castle will be a registered write-in candidate. So maybe I'll write him in. I don't know. I did that for Baldwin in 2008 (didn't vote for President at all in 2012), and I don't think they ever even counted all the write-in votes that year.

oyarde
07-06-2016, 10:58 PM
Castle is definitely the best candidate.

The CP isn't on the ballot in my state though. I'm sure Castle will be a registered write-in candidate. So maybe I'll write him in. I don't know. I did that for Baldwin in 2008 (didn't for for President at all in 2012), and I don't think they ever even counted all the write-in votes that year.

I doubt they will even count the write ins .