View Full Version : Report: 1 in 3 Non-Citizen Latino Immigrants Engage in U.S. Politics
RestorationOfLiberty
06-29-2016, 12:26 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/28/report-1-3-non-citizen-latinos-engage-u-s-politics/
"They have to go back".
RonPaulGeorge&Ringo
06-29-2016, 12:29 AM
Imperialism. Grounds for deportation.
RestorationOfLiberty
06-29-2016, 12:31 AM
Imperialism. Grounds for deportation.
Tell me about it, keep your marxist crap South of the Border where it belongs.
tod evans
06-29-2016, 12:40 AM
A quote from the article in the OP;
“Non-citizens, however, are engaged in political behavior. Research by McCann and Jones-Correa found that about one out of three non-citizen Latino immigrants reported attending rallies and marches, helping gather signatures for causes, posting political bumper stickers on their cars or political signs outside their homes, and having political discussions with friends, families, and neighbors,” NBC News reports.
Now I'm no fan of 'Latinos' or any other particular subset of immigrants, legal or illegal, but using this behavior as an argument to "send them back" is pretty lame.
At least man up and say that you want to kick people out of the country who don't agree with you...
That's an argument that is understandable...
RestorationOfLiberty
06-29-2016, 01:19 AM
A quote from the article in the OP;
Now I'm no fan of 'Latinos' or any other particular subset of immigrants, legal or illegal, but using this behavior as an argument to "send them back" is pretty lame.
At least man up and say that you want to kick people out of the country who don't agree with you...
That's an argument that is understandable...
So tod when you lie do you think of trying at all to make it in any way believable or do you just go full retard off the bat?
I am not a fan of any interloper who supports factions, ideologies, parties, or candidates that undermine my rights, wealth, Liberty, nation or future.
I want to kick out foreign nationals who work to undermine our rights.
tod evans
06-29-2016, 01:32 AM
So tod when you lie do you think of trying at all to make it in any way believable or do you just go full retard off the bat?
I am not a fan of any interloper who supports factions, ideologies, parties, or candidates that undermine my rights, wealth, Liberty, nation or future.
I want to kick out foreign nationals who work to undermine our rights.
What I'm reading appears to be the ramblings of a young and frustrated, poorly educated young man who for some reason thinks kicking out the foreigners is going to magically bring government to heal...
These foreigners didn't implement the government that supports them, they, like you, are fighting for scraps..
TheTexan
06-29-2016, 01:33 AM
Those damn immigrants, using the political system to further the socialist/marxist agenda!
They can't be allowed to do that!
Only Americans are allowed to do that!
TheTexan
06-29-2016, 01:38 AM
Non-citizens, however, are engaged in .. posting political bumper stickers on their cars or political signs outside their homes
How is this even legal?!!?!? We have to put a stop to this!
RestorationOfLiberty
06-29-2016, 03:06 AM
What I'm reading appears to be the ramblings of a young and frustrated, poorly educated young man who for some reason thinks kicking out the foreigners is going to magically bring government to heal...
These foreigners didn't implement the government that supports them, they, like you, are fighting for scraps..
The facts support my statements and the classic "anyone who disagrees with me must be uneducated trope is leftist prog babble.
It will reduce the number of future leftist voters which is always a good thing, not sure why you think allowing the enemy to mint new voters will in any way make
your life better or advance the cause of Liberty.
They blindly support it if it means "free" stuff, the math bares that out very clearly not sure why you can not understand this.
RestorationOfLiberty
06-29-2016, 03:07 AM
Those damn immigrants, using the political system to further the socialist/marxist agenda!
They can't be allowed to do that!
Only Americans are allowed to do that!
No, not even then.
tod evans
06-29-2016, 03:45 AM
The facts support my statements and the classic "anyone who disagrees with me must be uneducated trope is leftist prog babble.
I have pointed out the obvious failures in your methods and based on your verbiage and syntax drawn the conclusion that you are both young and poorly educated, what I haven't done is set forth an agenda for you to disagree with. The transparency of your claims substantiates my opinion.
It will reduce the number of future leftist voters which is always a good thing, not sure why you think allowing the enemy to mint new voters will in any way make
your life better or advance the cause of Liberty.
If the goal for you is to merely "reduce the number of future leftist voters" then you must support such anti-right endeavors as abortion clinics?
Or why not just use a .22? Rounds are less than a dime and there's absolutely no chance of the evil "leftist" returning or more importantly breeding...
Read the following twice so maybe it'll sink in;
My life isn't made better or worse by immigrants and government has never made my life better. I do not look to government for anything concerning liberty or freedom as it is the antithesis of both.
They blindly support it if it means "free" stuff, the math bares that out very clearly not sure why you can not understand this.
"They" are not the only ones who support "free stuff" sit down and read an overview of the federal budget sometime, hell man read a break down of the particular free stuff dispersion program you hate and see who is actually profiting...Doesn't matter which program, just pick one..
RestorationOfLiberty
06-29-2016, 05:56 AM
I have pointed out the obvious failures in your methods and based on your verbiage and syntax drawn the conclusion that you are both young and poorly educated, what I haven't done is set forth an agenda for you to disagree with. The transparency of your claims substantiates my opinion.
If the goal for you is to merely "reduce the number of future leftist voters" then you must support such anti-right endeavors as abortion clinics?
Or why not just use a .22? Rounds are less than a dime and there's absolutely no chance of the evil "leftist" returning or more importantly breeding...
Read the following twice so maybe it'll sink in;
You start it.
My life isn't made better or worse by immigrants and government has never made my life better. I do not look to government for anything concerning liberty or freedom as it is the antithesis of both.
Great, so why allow people to come in who will do things that empower the government to take away more of your rights?
And your life is made worse by taking in more people who will vote against you, never mind committing crimes and acts of terror against you.
"They" are not the only ones who support "free stuff" sit down and read an overview of the federal budget sometime, hell man read a break down of the particular free stuff dispersion program you hate and see who is actually profiting...Doesn't matter which program, just pick one..
When did I say they were the only ones?
Point of the matter is we can prevent them from entering the nation and stacking the deck against us so why should we not do that?
Why take in people who will elect more leftist sub humans to office.
tod evans
06-29-2016, 06:28 AM
Great, so why allow people to come in who will do things that empower the government to take away more of your rights?
And your life is made worse by taking in more people who will vote against you, never mind committing crimes and acts of terror against you.
Ya' know it's really nice that you are so concerned about protecting my rights with the government I want to abolish...
You can stop now!
I'll be taking care of my own rights, take your government and go away.
Point of the matter is we can prevent them from entering the nation and stacking the deck against us so why should we not do that?
Why take in people who will elect more leftist sub humans to office.
Let me clarify something for YOU............I am not part of your "we", I stand on my own two feet and I neither want nor need an association with someone who has less intellectual and moral acumen than my child....
Ronin Truth
06-29-2016, 07:00 AM
Well, there's the third to begin deportation with. Go home and fix your own country.
TheCount
06-29-2016, 07:10 AM
...having political discussions with friends, families, and neighbors.
Those monsters.
Brian4Liberty
06-29-2016, 11:47 AM
So tod when you lie do you think of trying at all to make it in any way believable or do you just go full retard off the bat?
You appear to be new here. Please read the guidelines linked below. Thanks.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/content.php?1989
euphemia
06-29-2016, 09:01 PM
You think nonresident, non-citizens don't engage in US politics? How many billions of dollars have flowed through Hillary's slush fund?
LibertyEagle
06-29-2016, 09:05 PM
A quote from the article in the OP;
Now I'm no fan of 'Latinos' or any other particular subset of immigrants, legal or illegal, but using this behavior as an argument to "send them back" is pretty lame.
At least man up and say that you want to kick people out of the country who don't agree with you...
That's an argument that is understandable...
Actually, illegal aliens engaging in politics in countries that they entered illegally IS a problem. A major problem. What do you think Mexico would do to such people?
LibertyEagle
06-29-2016, 09:13 PM
My life isn't made better or worse by immigrants and government has never made my life better. I do not look to government for anything concerning liberty or freedom as it is the antithesis of both.
Come on, Tod. Stop conflating ILLEGAL ALIENS with "immigrants". They are not the same thing at all. And your life IS made worse by illegal aliens. Everything from the cost of your health care and your health too, your taxes, the likelihood that you will receive SS to the likelihood that your 401K/IRA will be raided by the federal government are all impacted by illegal aliens. Sure, they are just pawns being used by the government. But, if someone lights your house on fire, you first need to put it out and then go after the person who set it. It takes both things to resolve the issue.
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Help me out here, Tod, please. Why would this statement cause you to disagree so much? I don't understand. With the problems we already have, why would we want to bring in people who want more of the government that we know is causing the problems?
Point of the matter is we can prevent them from entering the nation and stacking the deck against us so why should we not do that?
Why take in people who will elect more leftist sub humans to office.
pcosmar
06-29-2016, 09:20 PM
Actually, illegal aliens engaging in politics in countries that they entered illegally IS a problem. A major problem. What do you think Mexico would do to such people?
There are always useful idiots engaged in politics. That is what they are for.
I remember foreigners involved in politics under Republicans got a lot worse.
First Gulf war.. The poor little Princess (first crisis actor?)
Foreigners involved in politics? (Federal Reserve?)
Israel, Saudi Arabia...
Illegal aliens entering politics.. BULLSHIT ! (scraping bottom for fear factor)
AuH20
06-29-2016, 10:22 PM
You know the empire is at death's door when these vultures are activated and will be adamant to make our lives more miserable than they already are. Slaves for the technocratic state since the domestics aren't converting quick enough.
BamaAla
06-29-2016, 10:25 PM
By "engage in U.S.politics" do they mean go to Trump rallies and start fights?
oyarde
06-29-2016, 10:32 PM
Those damn immigrants, using the political system to further the socialist/marxist agenda!
They can't be allowed to do that!
Only Americans are allowed to do that!
I hate "americans " that do it too , in fact , I do not even consider them american.
AuH20
06-29-2016, 10:40 PM
We're pretty much done. Infected by complacency at home and with cancerous foreigners to boot. Someone close the lights.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmKHpq3UgAAPsZU.jpg
tod evans
06-30-2016, 12:39 AM
Actually, illegal aliens engaging in politics in countries that they entered illegally IS a problem. A major problem. What do you think Mexico would do to such people?
Who cares what Mx. does?
The specifics discussed, ie; attending rallies, protesting and talking is not a problem I'm going to concern myself with, why do you consider this to be a "major problem"?
Come on, Tod. Stop conflating ILLEGAL ALIENS with "immigrants". They are not the same thing at all. And your life IS made worse by illegal aliens. Everything from the cost of your health care and your health too, your taxes, the likelihood that you will receive SS to the likelihood that your 401K/IRA will be raided by the federal government are all impacted by illegal aliens. Sure, they are just pawns being used by the government. But, if someone lights your house on fire, you first need to put it out and then go after the person who set it. It takes both things to resolve the issue.
Actually immigrants legal or illegal have no affect on my life at all, I don't play the health care scam, never have expected to see a dime of SSI and my 401-K/IRA is nonexistent between lawyers/exes and family court it's nothing but a fond memory.
But!
You want to tell me how "ILLEGAL ALIENS" are ruining my life? No LE they're not, in fact they're having no effect at all on my life.
Government on the other hand does affect me! I want government out of the job market, out of the welfare and health business and out of the " ILLEGAL ALIEN" business......American citizens will run off "ILLEGAL ALIENS" if they have to work to eat or pay their own damn bills.
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Help me out here, Tod, please. Why would this statement cause you to disagree so much? I don't understand. With the problems we already have, why would we want to bring in people who want more of the government that we know is causing the problems?
Let's put this back in context.....
Point of the matter is we can prevent them from entering the nation and stacking the deck against us so why should we not do that?
Why take in people who will elect more leftist sub humans to office.
Let me clarify something for YOU............I am not part of your "we", I stand on my own two feet and I neither want nor need an association with someone who has less intellectual and moral acumen than my child....
Look closely LE....Do you see where I call the kid out for attempting to speak for me as a White American male?
I do have a problem with government both bringing in foreigners and supporting them once they're here, even when government does it "legally".
But my problem lies with government not foreigners.
Trying to twist the situation around to blame foreigners because they're easier prey than government does absolutely nothing to address the problem.
RonPaulMall
06-30-2016, 01:04 AM
Or why not just use a .22? Rounds are less than a dime and there's absolutely no chance of the evil "leftist" returning or more importantly breeding...
I think most of us would rather hope it doesn't come to that. But we've reached the end of the line. Unless the problem is fixed with the current election, bullets are going to be the only form of political discourse in the future. Those of us who believe in borders want to avoid the dystopian race war future that you and the elites seem so eager to bring about.
tod evans
06-30-2016, 01:17 AM
I think most of us would rather hope it doesn't come to that. But we've reached the end of the line. Unless the problem is fixed with the current election, bullets are going to be the only form of political discourse in the future. Those of us who believe in borders want to avoid the dystopian race war future that you and the elites seem so eager to bring about.
Please try to keep my posts in context, here I'll help;
If the goal for you is to merely "reduce the number of future leftist voters" then you must support such anti-right endeavors as abortion clinics?
Or why not just use a .22? Rounds are less than a dime and there's absolutely no chance of the evil "leftist" returning or more importantly breeding...
Read the following twice so maybe it'll sink in;
My life isn't made better or worse by immigrants and government has never made my life better. I do not look to government for anything concerning liberty or freedom as it is the antithesis of both.
Government is the problem and electing anyone who will not immediately start shutting it down isn't going to change the problem as the average American perceives it.
Foreigners picking at the flesh of a nation that's almost dead isn't the fault of the carrion eaters...
We did this to ourselves, both the left and the right and I'm not going to be distracted by either side and their obsession with foreigners.
Our own citizens demand an ever increasing government and get all twisted up when they don't get the money or programs they feel entitled to.
LibertyEagle
06-30-2016, 02:57 AM
Trying to twist the situation around to blame foreigners because they're easier prey than government does absolutely nothing to address the problem.
Tod, now I know you are able to chew gum and walk at the same time. Don't tell me that you cannot. I already gave you the analogy of your house being set on fire. To resolve the issue, you must put out the fire AND go after the one(s) who started it. It takes both things.
Having all kinds of diseases that were long eradicated brought into your country, people whose political beliefs are totally opposite of anything that our country was founded upon and some who openly hate us, not to mention whose IQ borders mental retardation and who go on the dole the minute they arrive, is not only stupid, it is national suicide.
LibertyEagle
06-30-2016, 03:05 AM
Please try to keep my posts in context, here I'll help;
Government is the problem and electing anyone who will not immediately start shutting it down isn't going to change the problem as the average American perceives it.
Foreigners picking at the flesh of a nation that's almost dead isn't the fault of the carrion eaters...
Huh? Where I come from, if they were circling something I loved, I would do everything in my power to drive them away. This almost sounds like you are throwing in the towel.
We did this to ourselves, both the left and the right and I'm not going to be distracted by either side and their obsession with foreigners.
Yes, and the influx of illegal aliens is making it more difficult to do anything about it. Why do you think they are being pushed on us? Because the establishment WANTS us to fall. It will make the populace so much more willing and stupid as all hell and go along with world government. There's nothing like bringing in a bunch of people with IQs on the verge of mental retardation, who have no history or desire of anything resembling limited government/laissez faire capitalism.
Our own citizens demand an ever increasing government and get all twisted up when they don't get the money or programs they feel entitled to.
I personally do not want it completely shut down. Just the unconstitutional parts of it, which would probably be 98% of it. lol
tod evans
06-30-2016, 04:40 AM
Tod, now I know you are able to chew gum and walk at the same time. Don't tell me that you cannot. I already gave you the analogy of your house being set on fire. To resolve the issue, you must put out the fire AND go after the one(s) who started it. It takes both things.
Having all kinds of diseases that were long eradicated brought into your country, people whose political beliefs are totally opposite of anything that our country was founded upon and some who openly hate us, not to mention whose IQ borders mental retardation and who go on the dole the minute they arrive, is not only stupid, it is national suicide.
So in your gum chewing/ walking opinion it makes sense to make government bigger and more powerful to expel and eradicate these stupid, politically opposite and diseased foreigners in order to shrink government?
Maybe this'll read differently after coffee........
tod evans
06-30-2016, 06:31 AM
So in your gum chewing/ walking opinion it makes sense to make government bigger and more powerful to expel and eradicate these stupid, politically opposite and diseased foreigners in order to shrink government?
Maybe this'll read differently after coffee........
Okay........1 pot down.
This still reads like complete lunacy to me.
Government cannot be both the problem and the solution.....
dean.engelhardt
06-30-2016, 06:55 AM
How is this even legal?!!?!?
My first guess would be the first amendment.
The U.S. Supreme Court has not addressed whether undocumented immigrants have
all the constitutional protections that U.S. citizens enjoy; however, in 1945
the high court did hold that “Freedom of speech and of press is accorded aliens
residing in this country” (Bridges v. Wixon, 326 U.S. 135, 148). (http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/today%E2%80%99s-question-non-citizens%E2%80%99-rights)
RestorationOfLiberty
06-30-2016, 11:47 AM
Who cares what Mx. does?
The specifics discussed, ie; attending rallies, protesting and talking is not a problem I'm going to concern myself with, why do you consider this to be a "major problem"?
Actually immigrants legal or illegal have no affect on my life at all, I don't play the health care scam, never have expected to see a dime of SSI and my 401-K/IRA is nonexistent between lawyers/exes and family court it's nothing but a fond memory.
But!
You want to tell me how "ILLEGAL ALIENS" are ruining my life? No LE they're not, in fact they're having no effect at all on my life.
Government on the other hand does affect me! I want government out of the job market, out of the welfare and health business and out of the " ILLEGAL ALIEN" business......American citizens will run off "ILLEGAL ALIENS" if they have to work to eat or pay their own damn bills.
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Let's put this back in context.....
Look closely LE....Do you see where I call the kid out for attempting to speak for me as a White American male?
I do have a problem with government both bringing in foreigners and supporting them once they're here, even when government does it "legally".
But my problem lies with government not foreigners.
Trying to twist the situation around to blame foreigners because they're easier prey than government does absolutely nothing to address the problem.
You pay their taxes for services they use and do not pay for, suffer for elections they skew.
tod evans
06-30-2016, 11:50 AM
You pay their taxes for services they use and do not pay for, suffer for elections they skew.
Are you talking about the 6-figured salaried government employees I want to put out of work?
RestorationOfLiberty
06-30-2016, 11:53 AM
Are you talking about the 6-figured salaried government employees I want to put out of work?
Welfare, education, prison, lawyers, translators, and yes every single worker that is needed to drive the welfare state`s clients needs.
Marenco
06-30-2016, 05:32 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMGeC5WUYAAShRG.jpg
pcosmar
06-30-2016, 05:51 PM
Welfare, education, prison, lawyers, translators, and yes every single worker that is needed to drive the welfare state`s clients needs.
Code Enforcement. Zoning and Planning. Utilities,,
Police,, lots and lots of police,, because these people have to be kept under control.
This is something all authoritarians love,, regardless of their stated philosophy or purpose.
They all need Enforcers. :(
:p
Liberty is not enforced,,
Zippyjuan
06-30-2016, 07:14 PM
Come on, Tod. Stop conflating ILLEGAL ALIENS with "immigrants". They are not the same thing at all. And your life IS made worse by illegal aliens. Everything from the cost of your health care and your health too, your taxes, the likelihood that you will receive SS to the likelihood that your 401K/IRA will be raided by the federal government are all impacted by illegal aliens. Sure, they are just pawns being used by the government. But, if someone lights your house on fire, you first need to put it out and then go after the person who set it. It takes both things to resolve the issue.
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Help me out here, Tod, please. Why would this statement cause you to disagree so much? I don't understand. With the problems we already have, why would we want to bring in people who want more of the government that we know is causing the problems?
Illegal immigrants subsidize Social Security and won't get any of it.
https://news.vice.com/article/unauthorized-immigrants-paid-100-billion-into-social-security-over-last-decade
Unauthorized Immigrants Paid $100 Billion Into Social Security Over Last Decade
Stephen Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration (SSA), told VICE News that an estimated 7 million people are currently working in the US illegally. Of those, he estimates that about 3.1 million are using fake or expired social security numbers, yet also paying automatic payroll taxes. Goss believes that these workers pay an annual net contribution of $12 billion to the Social Security Trust Fund.
The SSA estimates that unauthorized workers have paid a whopping $100 billion into the fund over the past decade. Yet as these people are in the US illegally, it is unlikely that they will be able to benefit from their contributions later in life.
RestorationOfLiberty
06-30-2016, 09:30 PM
Illegal immigrants subsidize Social Security and won't get any of it.
https://news.vice.com/article/unauthorized-immigrants-paid-100-billion-into-social-security-over-last-decade
And the yearly tax burden is at a min 110 Billion every year. Once again they take out more then they put in.
Zippyjuan
07-01-2016, 12:01 AM
Source? Social Security is only part of the taxes they pay. They also contribute an estimated $12 billion in state and local taxes. Not to mention Federal income taxes.
Immigrants illegally in the U.S. collectively contribute nearly $12 billion each year to state and local tax coffers, according to a new report that challenges recent election cycle rhetoric.
The study from the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy found that immigrants in the U.S. without legal permission kick in their billions in the form of income, property, sales or excise taxes.
There were roughly 11 million immigrants estimated to be in the U.S. illegally as of 2013, according to the report. And each and every state collects at least a few million dollars from tax payments made by such immigrants each year, ranging from Montana's $2.2 million to California's $3.2 billion.
"Regardless of the politically contentious nature of immigration reform, the data show undocumented immigrants greatly contribute to our nation's economy, not just in labor but also with tax dollars," Meg Wiehe, the institute's state tax policy director, said in a statement last week.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/study-undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes
Weston White
07-01-2016, 04:19 AM
The issue is not so much “immigrants”, but ‘illegals.’
Freedom without liberty is anarchy.
Most criminal acts, including gun violence, are committed by organized street gangs, which are directly associated with illegals and foreigners.
The government wants a constant flood of (illegal) immigrants, be they Hispanic, Asian, or Mid-Eastern for such individuals provide an exponential necessity for pimping social justice programs onto hard-working American voters, while simultaneously increasing America’s remaining occupational fields (the service industry and public employment), and the like.
Zippyjuan
07-01-2016, 04:22 AM
There are fewer of then than there were about nine years ago.
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2015/07/FT_15.07.23_UnauthImmigrants.png
Weston White
07-01-2016, 04:33 AM
...And in any case there are a multitude more than there were 18-years ago. As well how much easier is it to become a resident now than it was nine or more years ago? Also, the government's focus/agenda has since shifted more on taking in immigrants from overseas than from Mexico.
tod evans
07-01-2016, 04:34 AM
The issue is not so much “immigrants”, but ‘illegals.’
Freedom without liberty is anarchy.
Most criminal acts, including gun violence, are committed by organized street gangs, which are directly associated with illegals and foreigners.
The government wants a constant flood of (illegal) immigrants, be they Hispanic, Asian, or Mid-Eastern for such individuals provide an exponential necessity for pimping social justice programs onto hard-working American voters, while simultaneously increasing America’s remaining occupational fields (the service industry and public employment), and the like.
Take away government money and the flood stops.
Take away "illegals" and government spends more and increases their reach and authority.
Seems to me there's only one logical approach.
MelissaWV
07-01-2016, 05:00 AM
That's higher participation than citizens in a lot of areas. Maybe THAT should be addressed?
Also, the "participation" bar is mighty low here. The 1/3 number isn't even about voting. It's about bumper stickers and signs and rallies, which this forum is blue in the face from telling me are largely rigged. How much of this is La Raza busing people to a rally to protest?
Danke
07-01-2016, 05:16 AM
https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/uac-graph-2.jpg
MelissaWV
07-01-2016, 05:21 AM
I'm not discounting the conclusion, though I'd like to see convictions/deportations rather than apprehensions.
pcosmar
07-01-2016, 08:55 AM
Legalize Immigration.. instantly no illegals , problem solved.
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