Bill Kristol: 'We Beat Back Ron Paul and Rand Paul'

[AZJoe]

Bill Kristol: 'We [neocons] Beat Back Ron Paul and Rand Paul'
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/neocon-watch/2016/june/22/bill-kristol-we-beat-back-ron-paul-and-rand-paul/

Neoconservative by birth, Bill Kristol … [yesterday] at the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco … "We beat back Ron Paul and Rand Paul," he said. Implying that they were nothing but a footnote in Republican history. …

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[donnay]

Yeah Bill Kristol is a piece of filth. I cannot even stand to listen to his whiny voice.

We have a poster who post his garbage articles against Trump in this forum as well. People forget he was the co-founder of Project for the New American Century (PNAC). Weakly Standard--pffft, Traitor. The neocons would like nothing more than to see Hillary at the throne.

[dannno]

Bill Kristol sure seems to not like Trump.

Any evidence they are actually friends working on the same side?

[donnay]

Bill Kristol sure seems to not like Trump.

Any evidence they are actually friends working on the same side?

No but their is evidence of Kristol's agenda.

Trump Mocks Bill Kristol: "This Poor Guy," "All He Wants To Do Is Go To War And Kill People"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/25/trump_mocks_bill_kristol_this_poor_guy_all_he_want s_to_do_is_go_to_war_and_kill_people.html

[juleswin]

Pray tell, we know some of the tools they used in beating Ron. One of those tools being Trump who too every opportunity he had to tell us that Ron was a loser, that he would not get the nomination and if he did, he would run third party to play spoilers.

With Rand leading the polls, they sent in their hired gun Trump who immediately started competing for the anti establishment vote with him even though he wasn't anti establishment. With his celebrity status and a lot of help from the media, he was able to dominate that space leading to Rand dropping out. So please tell me again why I should give a rat's ass that they are "trying" to sabotage Trump who sabotaged our guy?

[William Tell]

Bill Kristol sure seems to not like Trump.

Any evidence they are actually friends working on the same side?

Trump has supported a lot of neocons over the years.

[donnay]

Trump has supported a lot of neocons over the years.

Yeah one of them is Giuliani who I detest.

[juleswin]

He is also good friends with John "The Mother fuck*ing NEOCON" Bolton who said this after listening to his foreign policy speech.

'Strong,' 'Impressive,' 'On Target'

[GunnyFreedom]

Bill Kristol sure seems to not like Trump.

Any evidence they are actually friends working on the same side?

Liking and disliking is not a zero sum game. Just because someone dislikes "A" does not automagically mean they are allied with "B." The devil himself may hate one of his own demons because the sucker is just annoying, that doesn't mean I'm about to fall down and worship that demon just because the devil is pissed at him.

[euphemia]

Bill Kristol is on his way out. He's trying to leave as much wreckage in his wake as he can.

[donnay]

Bill Kristol is on his way out. He's trying to leave as much wreckage in his wake as he can.

I only wished he was on his way to jail. The Traitor.

[The Rebel Poet]

Trump has supported a lot of neocons over the years.Yeah one of them is Giuliani who I detest.
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[William Tell]

http://www.treubigshow.com/admin/img/img.php?i=312

These four Patriots stand with Trump against the Establishment. Why isn't Ron Paul on board, is he a cuckservative?:confused:

[Brian4Liberty]

Bill Kristol is on his way out. He's trying to leave as much wreckage in his wake as he can.

Bill Kristol had a big victory this week. He put his boy Rubio back in the Senate.

[CPUd]

Yeah Bill Kristol is a piece of filth. I cannot even stand to listen to his whiny voice.

We have a poster who post his garbage articles against Trump in this forum as well. People forget he was the co-founder of Project for the New American Century (PNAC). Weakly Standard--pffft, Traitor. The neocons would like nothing more than to see Hillary at the throne.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v55ny1t2n0

[enhanced_deficit]

http://www.treubigshow.com/admin/img/img.php?i=312


World reknowned highly respected Freedom Medal winner neurosurgeon warns:


Ben Carson warns of 'tremendous carnage and death' if we don't elect Donald Trump (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?496196-Ben-Carson-warns-of-tremendous-carnage-and-death-if-we-don-t-elect-Donald-Trump&)May 31, 2016
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If Americans don't pick Donald Trump as the nation's 45th president, they'd better have their life jackets handy, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson warned on Fox & Friends Monday. Unless Republicans rally around their presumptive nominee, Carson said, the country is headed straight off of a 167-foot-high waterfall. "America, right now, is like a cruise ship that is about to go off of Niagara Falls with tremendous carnage and death," Carson said. "What you have to do first is recognize the problem, stop the ship, turn it around, and then move in the other direction."

[RandallFan]

Rand beat himself blaming rural white bitter clinger voters.

Trump blamed some Mexicans for rape; but he never blamed a class of voters for the misfortunes of politicians (the heartache of Mitt Romney's life) running for office to the right of Obama/Clinton.

Kristol schooled himself on the failures of Dubya's division-causing immigration reform.

[Wilf]

Rand beat himself blaming rural white bitter clinger voters.

Trump blamed some Mexicans for rape; but he never blamed a class of voters for the misfortunes of politicians (the heartache of Mitt Romney's life) running for office to the right of Obama/Clinton.

Kristol schooled himself on the failures of Dubya's division-causing immigration reform.

Promating white genociode, aren't you?

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Bill Kristol: 'We [neocons] Beat Back Ron Paul and Rand Paul'
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/neocon-watch/2016/june/22/bill-kristol-we-beat-back-ron-paul-and-rand-paul/

Neoconservative by birth, Bill Kristol … [yesterday] at the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco … "We beat back Ron Paul and Rand Paul," he said. Implying that they were nothing but a footnote in Republican history. …

https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/023-0505122706-inverse_ron_paul_revolution_500px.jpg


Well you Neo cons have had a good run and are about to get wiped out by the Alt Right, oh look, we have a Trump Card.

50 years these Neo trotskkists, Israel Firsters have caused nothing but troblue and have sold us out to the left...Well 50 years of failure they can no longer out run.

[susano]

Pray tell, we know some of the tools they used in beating Ron. One of those tools being Trump who too every opportunity he had to tell us that Ron was a loser, that he would not get the nomination and if he did, he would run third party to play spoilers.

With Rand leading the polls, they sent in their hired gun Trump who immediately started competing for the anti establishment vote with him even though he wasn't anti establishment. With his celebrity status and a lot of help from the media, he was able to dominate that space leading to Rand dropping out. So please tell me again why I should give a rat's ass that they are "trying" to sabotage Trump who sabotaged our guy?


Yeah, right. Trump is in a conspiracy with the #NeverTrump Trotskyite globalists.

:rolleyes:

You have valid reasons for not liking Trump and would better serve your own ideas by sticking to the truth.

Rand didn't resonate with the voters. Had he chosen to stay in the race he may have done okay but he seems tone deaf when it comes to the anti globalization, nationalist sentiment (or he simply opposes it) about which Trump has a keen sense. It doesn't mean Rand won't have a time when he does resonate, it just means now wasn't that time.

It's unfortunate that Trump is the guy. I wish we had a Nigel Farage but it is what it is. No other Republican candidate has had the inclination to address the deliberate destruction of the United States by the globalists, or the cultural Marxist attacks, while Trump has. That may not matter to you but it matters to millions of other people, including me.

[CPUd]

Yeah, right. Trump is in a conspiracy with the #NeverTrump Trotskyite globalists.

:rolleyes:

You have valid reasons for not liking Trump and would better serve your own ideas by sticking to the truth.

Rand didn't resonate with the voters. Had he chosen to stay in the race he may have done okay but he seems tone deaf when it comes to the anti globalization, nationalist sentiment (or he simply opposes it) about which Trump has a keen sense. It doesn't mean Rand won't have a time when he does resonate, it just means now wasn't that time.

It's unfortunate that Trump is the guy. I wish we had a Nigel Farage but it is what it is. No other Republican candidate has had the inclination to address the deliberate destruction of the United States by the globalists, or the cultural Marxist attacks, while Trump has. That may not matter to you but it matters to millions of other people, including me.

Not enough people to win a general election. The hardcore Trump supporters are just another right wing hate group, 60 million voters are not going to align with that.

[jmdrake]

Yeah Bill Kristol is a piece of filth. I cannot even stand to listen to his whiny voice.

We have a poster who post his garbage articles against Trump in this forum as well. People forget he was the co-founder of Project for the New American Century (PNAC). Weakly Standard--pffft, Traitor. The neocons would like nothing more than to see Hillary at the throne.

And when Ron Paul attacks Trump for many of the same reasons people here attack Trump is that "garbage" too? Donald Trump was the NWO hedging its bets. Bill Clinton asked Donald Trump to run for office. Rand Paul, Ben Carson and Ted Cruz all would have been better than Trump. And they all would have stood a better chance at beating Hillary. But we're stuck with who we're stuck with. That doesn't mean everyone should be happy about it.

[jmdrake]

Rand beat himself blaming rural white bitter clinger voters.

Trump blamed some Mexicans for rape; but he never blamed a class of voters for the misfortunes of politicians (the heartache of Mitt Romney's life) running for office to the right of Obama/Clinton.

Kristol schooled himself on the failures of Dubya's division-causing immigration reform.

:rolleyes: I can't wait to rub it in your face when president Trump implements his touchback amnesty plan and uses the power of imminent domain to steal your land and give it to foreign land developers.

[susano]

Not enough people to win a general election. The hardcore Trump supporters are just another right wing hate group, 60 million voters are not going to align with that.

(Mod edit) you have no idea how it will shake out because Hillary is despised by a good deal of the country, including half the Sanders voters.

[susano]

Bill Kristol is on his way out. He's trying to leave as much wreckage in his wake as he can.

Typical of neocons and their Jewish Bolshevik roots. If they can't have and control it all they want it destroyed. They're like the abusive guy who kills his girlfriend so nobody else can have her. This is the same approach they've taken with the middle east. Either it's controlled by Zionists or they want it in shambles.

[GunnyFreedom]

World reknowned highly respected Freedom Medal winner neurosurgeon warns:


Ben Carson warns of 'tremendous carnage and death' if we don't elect Donald Trump (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?496196-Ben-Carson-warns-of-tremendous-carnage-and-death-if-we-don-t-elect-Donald-Trump&)

May 31, 2016
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If Americans don't pick Donald Trump as the nation's 45th president, they'd better have their life jackets handy, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson warned on Fox & Friends Monday. Unless Republicans rally around their presumptive nominee, Carson said, the country is headed straight off of a 167-foot-high waterfall. "America, right now, is like a cruise ship that is about to go off of Niagara Falls with tremendous carnage and death," Carson said. "What you have to do first is recognize the problem, stop the ship, turn it around, and then move in the other direction."

Isn't that the same Ben Carson who just suggested repealing the 2nd Amendment?

[RandallFan]

Not enough people to win a general election. The hardcore Trump supporters are just another right wing hate group, 60 million voters are not going to align with that.

Britain just had a politician shot where it looked like rightwing motivated.

They had soccer hooligans go to France and scream at muslims to go home.

Then they still voted for the less globalist option.

Britain's voters are way more fearful of nationalism.

[parocks]

Kristol is total garbage. If he hates Trump, I like Trump more.

Of the Ron Paul 2008 and Ron Paul 2012 - you'll find a healthy number of them supporting Trump from the beginning.

Still, every President we've had since I've been able to vote has been worse than the one before. I'm not sure if I'm voting for President, but we have legal marijuana on the ballot, so, I'll be there, voting for legal marijuana. I'd vote for anyexit, but that's not on the ballot.

[GunnyFreedom]

Kristol is total garbage. If he hates Trump, I like Trump more.

You do know that this is horrible emotive illogic right?


Of the Ron Paul 2008 and Ron Paul 2012 - you'll find a healthy number of them supporting Trump from the beginning.

They were probably inspired by how Trump called Ron Paul a joke, claimed that Paul wanted Iran to get a nuke and wipe out Israel, and then said that a blonde bimbo has a better chance at winning an election than Ron Paul.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Typical of neocons and their Jewish Bolshevik roots. If they can't have and control it all they want it destroyed. They're like the abusive guy who kills his girlfriend so nobody else can have her. This is the same approach they've taken with the middle east. Either it's controlled by Zionists or they want it in shambles.

This...They are at their end and they want to take everything/everyone with them as they are the enemy of all mankind.

[parocks]

You do know that this is horrible emotive illogic right?



They were probably inspired by how Trump called Ron Paul a joke, claimed that Paul wanted Iran to get a nuke and wipe out Israel, and then said that a blonde bimbo has a better chance at winning an election than Ron Paul.


As to the first - it's basically just the the enemy of the enemy is my friend. Listen, both suck, and the next President will be the worst yet, because every President since I've been able to vote has been the worst yet. If Kristol hates Trump, I like Trump more. That's one tiny bit of data.

As to the 2nd - I have no idea, but in my state I noticed, even when Rand was still in the race, that a lot of the Ron Paul people from 2012 were on board with Trump early, even when Rand was an option. I wasn't. I'm of the belief that they all suck. I don't know what I'm going to do regarding voting. In 2012, I wrote in Ron - mostly because of the screwage of Ron in 2012 by the GOP. This year, I dunno. Hillary is disgusting and I don't want her to be President. We've had enough Bushs and enough Clintons.

Giant Meteor 2016?

[RestorationOfLiberty]

We need to deport this Zionist scum to Israel.

[GunnyFreedom]

As to the first - it's basically just the the enemy of the enemy is my friend. Listen, both suck, and the next President will be the worst yet, because every President since I've been able to vote has been the worst yet. If Kristol hates Trump, I like Trump more. That's one tiny bit of data.

As to the 2nd - I have no idea, but in my state I noticed, even when Rand was still in the race, that a lot of the Ron Paul people from 2012 were on board with Trump early, even when Rand was an option. I wasn't. I'm of the belief that they all suck. I don't know what I'm going to do regarding voting. In 2012, I wrote in Ron - mostly because of the screwage of Ron in 2012 by the GOP. This year, I dunno. Hillary is disgusting and I don't want her to be President. We've had enough Bushs and enough Clintons.

Giant Meteor 2016?

Aye, at this point that's exactly what I'm planning on doing. Writing in Giant Meteor 2016.

[Working Poor]

(Mod edit) you have no idea how it will shake out because Hillary is despised by a good deal of the country, including half the Sanders voters.

I am going to vote for Gary Johnson. His name is on the ballot in my state. He is not Ron by a long shot. Writing someone in will not be counted. Even if he does not win at least there is a chance my vote will be counted. I want to do my part to make 3rd party voting relevant.

[parocks]

Aye, at this point that's exactly what I'm planning on doing. Writing in Giant Meteor 2016.

I'm not sure. In my state, Legal Marijuana is on the ballot, so I'll be voting for that. I'm not sure yet what I'll do regarding actual names of people on the ballot. My general philosophy at this point is Giant Meteor 2016.

[anaconda]

I'm confident I know what Kristol "beats" and it's not primarily the Pauls.

[AZJoe]

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[timosman]

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[RestorationOfLiberty]

Bill Kristol: 'We [neocons] Beat Back Ron Paul and Rand Paul'
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/neocon-watch/2016/june/22/bill-kristol-we-beat-back-ron-paul-and-rand-paul/

Neoconservative by birth, Bill Kristol … [yesterday] at the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco … "We beat back Ron Paul and Rand Paul," he said. Implying that they were nothing but a footnote in Republican history. …

https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/023-0505122706-inverse_ron_paul_revolution_500px.jpg




....Yeah...And look what replaced him. Yeah, not laughing anymore are you Neo Cons.

[H. E. Panqui]

....Yeah...And look what replaced him. Yeah, not laughing anymore are you Neo Cons.

:confused:

...many many of the republicans, neo-cons, conservatives, etc. whatever you call them, i know are 'laughing' more than they ever have!..ime, republicans, are, generally, very average, or slightly below, as to 'smarts'...and you know what they say about 'the average american'...most of this same 18% or so of the population would vote for george dubya bush again if given the chance!...twisted hillary was right about one thing: ...republicans are, generally, truly deplorable...ugh.. :mad:

[AZJoe]

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[donnay]

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Go Tom GO!!!

[RestorationOfLiberty]

:confused:

...many many of the republicans, neo-cons, conservatives, etc. whatever you call them, i know are 'laughing' more than they ever have!..ime, republicans, are, generally, very average, or slightly below, as to 'smarts'...and you know what they say about 'the average american'...most of this same 18% or so of the population would vote for george dubya bush again if given the chance!...twisted hillary was right about one thing: ...republicans are, generally, truly deplorable...ugh.. :mad:


The poll numbers, primaries prove you wrong. The Neo con agenda has been tried, it failed by designed and has been cast aside in the dust bin of history.

[merkelstan]

a few of you have an inkling

[AZJoe]

...many many of the republicans, neo-cons, conservatives, etc. whatever you call them

neo-cons and conservatives are contradictions in terms. neo-cons are not by any stretch conservative.

[Occam's Banana]

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Well, to be fair ... no, wait, to hell with being fair to Kristol ... to be precise, nothing in what Kristol said indicates that he gives a shit about what the Constitution requires, one way or the other ...

[r3volution 3.0]

Rand beat himself blaming rural white bitter clinger voters.

Trump beat Rand by appealing to nationalism and fear. Simple as that.

Liberty isn't popular.


The poll numbers, primaries prove you wrong. The Neo con agenda has been tried, it failed by designed and has been cast aside in the dust bin of history.

Yes, that's why Trump has called for increased military spending, increased the number of troops in Syria and Afghanistan, done nothing to lift sanctions against Iran or Russia, appointed neocons to his administration, accelerated drone bombings, and attacked Assad (twice).

Everything's so different...

[nikcers]

Trump beat Rand by appealing to nationalism and fear. Simple as that.

Liberty isn't popular.



Yes, that's why Trump has called for increased military spending, increased the number of troops in Syria and Afghanistan, done nothing to lift sanctions against Iran or Russia, appointed neocons to his administration, accelerated drone bombings, and attacked Assad (twice).

Everything's so different...

I bet you 2 billion dollars that the free coverage from the MSM and Russia trolls helped his tv show promotional campaign materialize into the most funded primary challenge in recent history.

[r3volution 3.0]

I bet you 2 billion dollars that the free coverage from the MSM and Russia trolls helped his tv show promotional campaign materialize into the most funded primary challenge in recent history.

No doubt

The only question is what the MSM/Russia were trying to accomplish.

I'm not convinced that Russia originally meant for him to be President, more of a general shit-stirring operation.

The MSM may have just been seeking ratings, enjoying the clownshow.

Or it may have been more planned than that...

In either case, it helped him immensely.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Trump beat Rand by appealing to nationalism and fear. Simple as that.

Liberty isn't popular.



Yes, that's why Trump has called for increased military spending, increased the number of troops in Syria and Afghanistan, done nothing to lift sanctions against Iran or Russia, appointed neocons to his administration, accelerated drone bombings, and attacked Assad (twice).

Everything's so different...


How is nationalism a bad thing?

How is appealing to self interests "fear"?

We get it, you are upset you not only lost but got your asses kicked, it YOUR fault you could not make others agree with your message, ok? YOURs, not OURs for winning.

we have cut spending to arm rebels, working with Russia for a peace in Syria, securing the borders, limiting immigration, crecking the whip on Voter Fraud, etc. He is clearly not a neo con but you are clearly a liar.

[r3volution 3.0]

How is nationalism a bad thing?

It entails the violation of individual rights.


How is appealing to self interests "fear"?

Mexicans are going to kill you, therefore vote for me = fearmongering


We get it, you are upset you not only lost but got your asses kicked, it YOUR fault you could not make others agree with your message, ok? YOURs, not OURs for winning.

Yes, democracy is a poor form of government.


we have cut spending to arm rebels, working with Russia for a peace in Syria

Imaginary


securing the borders, limiting immigration

Harmful (and largely imaginary)


crecking the whip on Voter Fraud

Imaginary


He is clearly not a neo con

Yes, he only adopts the neocons' policies and puts neocons in his administration.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

It entails the violation of individual rights.

No, it does you are just lying as you cant make an argument against like minded people keep out disruptive groups.



Mexicans are going to kill you, therefore vote for me = fearmongering


It has nothing to do with trans national Narco Terrorists, right, or the cost of illegal immigration, or those murdered by illegal immigrants, right?



Yes, democracy is a poor form of government.


Get use to losing, at least its to us, and not the left who will import more and more hostile voters.





Imaginary

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/05/30/5k-noncitizens-registered-vote-virginia-report-finds/

Facts say other wise, but its ok, you would rather lose then win and that is what is happening.





Nope, securing borders is not "harmful" and borders are very, very real. If you think other wise, try and invade my house or anyone else`s property. Nor is limiting immigration bad at all. I know its upsetting your lies are not being believed but that is what happens to all lies given a long enough run, they are exposed and dumped.

[Jamesiv1]

Rand was a firebrand the first few months of the primary. Kicking ass and taking names. Seemed to me about the time Trump started coming on strong, Rand lost his way with his milquetoast attempt to "broaden the base" and appeal to both sides of the issues.

He should have continued kicking ass.

Towards the end it seemed apparent that Rand really wanted to be the candidate, and Trump really couldn't give a flip - which was appealing.

[r3volution 3.0]

No, it does you are just lying as you cant make an argument against like minded people keep out disruptive groups.

Violence is justified only in defense of property.

The violence directed against people (both foreigners and citizens) for the purpose of enforcing immigration restrictions does not defend property.

Therefore, it's unjustified.


It has nothing to do with trans national Narco Terrorists, right, or the cost of illegal immigration, or those murdered by illegal immigrants, right?

Yes, that's the propaganda which Fox spent the summer of 2015 feeding you, and which generated the fears that Trump used to con you.


Get use to losing, at least its to us, and not the left who will import more and more hostile voters.

You are the left.


Nope, securing borders is not "harmful" and borders are very, very real. If you think other wise, try and invade my house or anyone else`s property.

See, you're a communist.

[r3volution 3.0]

Rand was a firebrand the first few months of the primary. Kicking ass and taking names. Seemed to me about the time Trump started coming on strong, Rand lost his way with his milquetoast attempt to "broaden the base" and appeal to both sides of the issues.

He should have continued kicking ass.

The "different kind of Republican" thing was working well; Rand led the polls at one point.

The political climate only changed with the emergence of ISIS (or the neocon spin thereon) and then FOX's anti-immigrant propaganda push.

If the election were held a few years earlier Rand would have been the nominee.

Bad timing

[AuH20]

Rand was a firebrand the first few months of the primary. Kicking ass and taking names. Seemed to me about the time Trump started coming on strong, Rand lost his way with his milquetoast attempt to "broaden the base" and appeal to both sides of the issues.

He should have continued kicking ass.

Towards the end it seemed apparent that Rand really wanted to be the candidate, and Trump really couldn't give a flip - which was appealing.

Rand told Limbaugh privately he was going to run an Obama like campaign with horseshit platitudes, while the country is literally being raped by globalized special interests. You saw how that tact worked out.

Trump can be criticized but this was the speech that will live on far past his existence. I'm almost 100% sure he didn't write it, but that is not important. This speech was the staking of the flag moment for the disenfranchised.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvh0pvRC_v4

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Violence is justified only in defense of property.


Its also justified in defense of a nation, culture, people, etc.



The violence directed against people (both foreigners and citizens) for the purpose of enforcing immigration restrictions does not defend property.


Wrong, we are defending the property (IE wealth, tax dollars, property values, income, lives) of people harmed or burdened by mass immigration.


Therefore, it's unjustified.


So wrong.





Yes, that's the propaganda which Fox spent the summer of 2015 feeding you, and which generated the fears that Trump used to con you.


http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp This list proves you wrong and a liar.


You are the left.


I support sound money, secure borders, limited government, Freedom of and from Association, privacy rights, total gun rights, but I am the left?

You believe all people are interchangeable cogs, a hallmark of the left. You deny basic facts and slander anyone who does not walk lockstep with you, more hallmarks of the left...


See, you're a communist.


We won, open borders, mass immigration/open borders is a failures and is a tactic to import ringers for marxists. You have lost, no one really believes your lies, deal with it.

[r3volution 3.0]

Its also justified in defense of a nation, culture, people, etc.

Nope


Wrong, we are defending the property (IE wealth, tax dollars, property values, income, lives) of people harmed or burdened by mass immigration.

One is not entitled to one's property values or job. As for any actual threat to property, such as from crime, the solution is to punish the individual criminals, not violate the rights of millions of people (foreigners and citizens) to restrict the entry of the other 99% of innocent immigrants. The solution to welfare for immigrants is, of course, to eliminate it.


http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp This list proves you wrong and a liar.

Bernays would be pleased.


I support sound money, secure borders, limited government, Freedom of and from Association, privacy rights, total gun rights

Nope


but I am the left?

Yep

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Nope



One is not entitled to one's property values or job. As for any actual threat to property, such as from crime, the solution is to punish the individual criminals, not violate the rights of millions of people (foreigners and citizens) to restrict the entry of the other 99% of innocent immigrants. The solution to welfare for immigrants is, of course, to eliminate it.

So you have the right to own property, the right to protect property, but not protect its value...Double think much?

And if you import them and they vote by the millions to give themselves welfare, vote away your rights, as they do now? What then?

Just submit, lose on "MUH PRINCIPLES"?


Bernays would be pleased.

Not an argument, now, HOW ARE THOSE PEOPLE NOT VICTIMS OF MASS IMMIGRATION.

Its ok, you have lost. It does not matter if you learn it, accept it, etc.

[r3volution 3.0]

So you have the right to own property, the right to protect property, but not protect its value

That's correct.

To own a thing means to have the exclusive right to use it: not to control its market price.

A right to control the market price of something one owns equates to a right to force others to pay one more than they want for it.


...Double think much?

I suggest you locate some introductory readings in libertarian thought.


And if you import them and they vote by the millions to give themselves welfare, vote away your rights, as they do now? What then?

If 99% of Americans already do that, what difference does it make?


Not an argument, now, HOW ARE THOSE PEOPLE NOT VICTIMS OF MASS IMMIGRATION.

HOW DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE OTHER THAN IMMIGRANTS COMMIT CRIMES?

SHOW ME THAT MEMORIAL YOU TWIT.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

That's correct.

To own a thing means to have the exclusive right to use it: not to control its market price.

A right to control the market price of something one owns equates to a right to force others to pay one more than they want for it.



I suggest you locate some introductory readings in libertarian thought.



If 99% of Americans already do that, what difference does it make?



HOW DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE OTHER THAN IMMIGRANTS COMMIT CRIMES?

SHOW ME THAT MEMORIAL YOU TWIT.

This is very deep autism.


If 99% of Americans already do that, what difference does it make?


Why make it 100% then? Why add more enemy voters? You NEVER answer this question. Because it proves you to be a reality detached ideologue.


HOW DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE OTHER THAN IMMIGRANTS COMMIT CRIMES?

SHOW ME THAT MEMORIAL YOU TWIT.

Every immigrant crime is preventable. But its ok because why keep out criminals when we have too few here, right?

I get it you have no answers, no ideas, just talking points and that about it.

[r3volution 3.0]

This is very deep autism.

I see you've imbibed deeply of alt-right slogans.


Why make it 100% then? Why add more enemy voters? You NEVER answer this question.

I've answered it many times, you just don't like the answer.

Foreigners aren't enemy voters any more than Americans are.

More or less foreigners won't change the outcome of elections in a meaningful way.

Liberty will be neither helped nor harmed.

It makes no difference.


Every immigrant crime is preventable.

Every crime is preventable; just shoot everyone into space.

No people, no crime.

Good plan?

[unknown]

Bill Kristol = steaming pile of shit.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

I see you've imbibed deeply of alt-right slogans.



I've answered it many times, you just don't like the answer.

Foreigners aren't enemy voters any more than Americans are.

More or less foreigners won't change the outcome of elections in a meaningful way.

Liberty will be neither helped nor harmed.

It makes no difference.



Every crime is preventable; just shoot everyone into space.

No people, no crime.

Good plan?


Yes it will and has, have you seen the demographics of the state of CA over the last 50 years? That alone proves you to be a hack.

https://cis.org/Remaking-Political-Landscape-Impact-Illegal-and-Legal-Immigration-Congressional-Apportionment

Liberty is clearly harmed when you imported welfare voters or terrorists, remember how we got the Patriot Act? What reason was it rammed throughed the Congress? What event caused that again? Oh that is right 6th Generation Native Mormons decided to house a fund raiser, right?



Do nothing because muh feels, great plan, I guess that is why you guys win so many elections...LOL.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Bill Kristol = steaming pile of $#@!.

Deport him and every other Neo Con.

[r3volution 3.0]

remember how we got the Patriot Act?

Yea, the guys elected by native born Americans passed it, and the native born Americans cheered (and cheer still).

The same can be said of every major piece of Leviathan now existing.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Yea, the guys elected by native born Americans passed it, and the native born Americans cheered (and cheer still).

So if 9/11 did not happen would the Patriot Act have passed? Yes or No?

I am so glad Autistics like you are so few and rare on the new right.

[r3volution 3.0]

So if 9/11 did not happen would the Patriot Act have passed? Yes or No?

Nope, but to blame 9/11 on immigration is severely retarded.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Nope, but to blame 9/11 on immigration is severely retarded.

Its not. If we did not allow them in they would not have been in such a position to attack us in such a way. But hey please tell us the benefit of mass immigration. How does higher tax burdens, more crime, more terrorism, more welfare voters, higher costs of living, lower standards of living are a net gain.

[nikcers]

Its not. If we did not allow them in they would not have been in such a position to attack us in such a way. But hey please tell us the benefit of mass immigration. How does higher tax burdens, more crime, more terrorism, more welfare voters, higher costs of living, lower standards of living are a net gain.
Please tell us the benefits of a police state, keep us safe, muh wall.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Please tell us the benefits of a police state, keep us safe, muh wall.

Holy God you guys are autistic. IF WE DO NOT ALLOW IN TERRORISTS AND THE CULTURES/GROUPS THAT PRODUCE THEM, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A POLICE STATE, NOR THE NEED, NOR THE SUPPORT FOR ONE, MY GOD ARE YOU THIS DUMB.

[LibertyEagle]

He is also good friends with John "The Mother $#@!*ing NEOCON" Bolton who said this after listening to his foreign policy speech.

'Strong,' 'Impressive,' 'On Target'

You mean the foreign policy speech that Thomas Massie likedtoo? That one? Too bad Trump isn't following it. :(

[LibertyEagle]

Holy God you guys are autistic. IF WE DO NOT ALLOW IN TERRORISTS AND THE CULTURES/GROUPS THAT PRODUCE THEM, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A POLICE STATE, NOR THE NEED, NOR THE SUPPORT FOR ONE, MY GOD ARE YOU THIS DUMB.

Nah, some here are pushing the same globalist meme that Ron Paul worked against his entire life. At least one of them preaches world government. Can't understand why he's still allowed to post here. I guess Bryan doesn't give a damn anymore.

[Ender]

Holy God you guys are autistic. IF WE DO NOT ALLOW IN TERRORISTS AND THE CULTURES/GROUPS THAT PRODUCE THEM, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A POLICE STATE, NOR THE NEED, NOR THE SUPPORT FOR ONE, MY GOD ARE YOU THIS DUMB.

Maybe we should stop creating terrorists. :rolleyes:

And maybe you ought to read a little Ron Paul.


The real problem is that both Washington and London are more interested in regime change overseas than any blowback that might come to the rest of us back home. They just do not care about the price we pay for their foreign policy actions. No grand announcement of new resolve to “fight terrorism” can be successful unless we understand what really causes terrorism. They do not hate us because we are rich and free. They hate us because we are over there, bombing them.

Full article:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/05/ron-paul/us-exceptional-terrorist-nation/

[Ender]

Nah, some here are pushing the same globalist meme that Ron Paul worked against his entire life. At least one of them preaches world government. Can't understand why he's still allowed to post here. I guess Bryan doesn't give a damn anymore.

You know that was never said- it's your one-pony trick that you constantly repeat.

Ron Paul also said he would not vote for Trump- you did and you supported Trump on this forum. Not very Ron Paul supportive IMHPOV.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/274811-ron-paul-i-will-not-vote-for-trump

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?501888-Ron-Paul-On-The-2016-Presidential-Field-(MSNBC-10-3)

[H. E. Panqui]

neo-cons and conservatives are contradictions in terms. neo-cons are not by any stretch conservative.

....get real......neo-cons are 'new conservatives' and like bosses the new ones tend to be the same as the old ones...they vary in puny ways only a trifling radio republican would/could get worked up about...'the new conservatives' i hear discussed are LARGELY supporters of the stinking republican party inc. just like the stinking 'old conservatives'...they are both LARGELY interventionists/warmongers...they are both absolute monetary ignoramuses who can't/won't discuss the fractional reserve deposit creation abomination which is used by some private [?foreign] secret-squirrel banksters to enslave the rest of u$...etc. ad nau$eam...they both really really suck...really...:mad:

...as to the most important issue$ there isn't a dime$ difference...that's why 'they' are allowed on $tage...giving the appearance of 'earnest, important debate' here in 'murka...it's part of the 'circus' in the age-old 'circuses and bread' ruse..

[The Rebel Poet]

Maybe we should stop creating terrorists. :rolleyes:

And maybe you ought to read a little Ron Paul.



Full article:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/05/ron-paul/us-exceptional-terrorist-nation/
All these Giuliani-lite alt-right loonies need to have a BIG does of Ron Paul and stop schilling here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD7dnFDdwu0

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Maybe we should stop creating terrorists. :rolleyes:

And maybe you ought to read a little Ron Paul.



Full article:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/05/ron-paul/us-exceptional-terrorist-nation/

Stop importing them as well.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Nah, some here are pushing the same globalist meme that Ron Paul worked against his entire life. At least one of them preaches world
government. Can't understand why he's still allowed to post here. I guess Bryan doesn't give a damn anymore.


Clearly. But at least the wave of nationalism is wash the Neo Con sum out of the GOP.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Please tell us the benefits of a police state, keep us safe, muh wall.


Yeah, because a secure border is the same as a police state, not wanting to live in Northern Mexico is the same as being a statist...

[unknown]

Deport him and every other Neo Con.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq4HZjIsa1w

[nikcers]

Yeah, because a secure border is the same as a police state, not wanting to live in Northern Mexico is the same as being a statist...
You are a statist because you think the state can operate without unintended consequences.

[Ender]

All these Giuliani-lite alt-right loonies need to have a BIG does of Ron Paul and stop schilling here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD7dnFDdwu0

Ya think?

[GunnyFreedom]

Holy God you guys are autistic. IF WE DO NOT ALLOW IN TERRORISTS AND THE CULTURES/GROUPS THAT PRODUCE THEM, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A POLICE STATE, NOR THE NEED, NOR THE SUPPORT FOR ONE, MY GOD ARE YOU THIS DUMB.

Do you seriously believe that the only reasons we are careening into a police state are "DER MOOSIMS!!??"

[timosman]

You are a statist because you think the state can operate without unintended consequences.

While this is true, the philosophical concerns about the government pale in comparison to the problems with the actual state of affairs today. You might as well argue there is no point in pumping water out from a sinking ship because the hole, the water is getting through, is still there. You are being disingenuous at best. You might also have a desire to watch the world burn. Wouldn't that be fun?

[nikcers]

While this is true, the philosophical concerns about the government pale in comparison to the problems with the actual state of affairs today. You might as well argue there is no point in pumping water out from a sinking ship because the hole, the water is getting through, is still there. You are being disingenuous at best. You might also have a desire to watch the world burn. Wouldn't that be fun?
You might think its possible to bale water out of a sunken ship. I very much would love to have a bigger government when my government would sooner label me a domestic terrorist and put me in jail for speech, audit my taxes, put me in jail for smoking a plant or boycotting wars.

I hope you never live to see power corrupted. I hope the president never kills an American on American soil just because drones are fun and its authorized in the NDAA

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Do you seriously believe that the only reasons we are careening into a police state are "DER MOOSIMS!!??"

Only? No, primary excuse to create one? Yes.

Police state aside, look how they act, their impact on the economy, and their voting habits, its all a great reason NOT to allow them into the nation. Why import welfare voters who cultural hallmarks are terrorism and other actions which are used to create a police state.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

While this is true, the philosophical concerns about the government pale in comparison to the problems with the actual state of affairs today. You might as well argue there is no point in pumping water out from a sinking ship because the hole, the water is getting through, is still there. You are being disingenuous at best. You might also have a desire to watch the world burn. Wouldn't that be fun?

"Do nothing because their is a problem, dont solve it, because "muh spreging".....

Some people would rather be murdered then use force, some people would rather lose everything if it violates "muh principles".

[RestorationOfLiberty]

You might think its possible to bale water out of a sunken ship. I very much would love to have a bigger government when my government would sooner label me a domestic terrorist and put me in jail for speech, audit my taxes, put me in jail for smoking a plant or boycotting wars.

I hope you never live to see power corrupted. I hope the president never kills an American on American soil just because drones are fun and its authorized in the NDAA

Funny, how can they label you such again? What event and who perpetrated it that gave them an excuse to do such again?

[RestorationOfLiberty]

You are a statist because you think the state can operate without unintended consequences.

No, I am not an anarchist because I believe the state has some role to play, namely protecting the nation from invasion.

You are a reality detached person who thinks allowing in tens of millions of people who do not share you values, culture, and will vote against your rights will not happen because "MUH feels".

[nikcers]

Funny, how can they label you such again? What event and who perpetrated it that gave them an excuse to do such again?
It wasn't about me, specifically, just the fact that lots of people in modern times have been abused by government power. The deep state tried entrapping john kiriakou mulitple times because he spoke out against the government torturing people. I don't care how much you love the Trump government, you don't know what government is coming next.

[timosman]

I don't care how much you love the Trump government, you don't know what government is coming next.

Should I start shitting my pants now?

[RestorationOfLiberty]

It wasn't about me, specifically, just the fact that lots of people in modern times have been abused by government power. The deep state tried entrapping john kiriakou mulitple times because he spoke out against the government torturing people. I don't care how much you love the Trump government, you don't know what government is coming next.

So why not limit its power?
Why would you allow in millions of people who are willing to grant the government more and more power and have them out vote you, making your goals, ideals impossible to enact do to their importation?

[H. E. Panqui]

neo-cons and conservatives are contradictions in terms. neo-cons are not by any stretch conservative.

....whatever...ime, functionally, they both support the gd fool republicans overwhelmingly...'both' are DEFINITELY part of the problem...

[DamianTV]

Holy God you guys are autistic. IF WE DO NOT ALLOW IN TERRORISTS AND THE CULTURES/GROUPS THAT PRODUCE THEM, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A POLICE STATE, NOR THE NEED, NOR THE SUPPORT FOR ONE, MY GOD ARE YOU THIS DUMB.

If you dig deep enough, you'll see the Deep State had its hand in the very creation of their groups by weaponizing their own religion into brainwashing instruments of hatred. They need conflict between "us" and "them" for power to be surrendered to them.

As far as Police State? Yes, we do live in one, but do NOT NEED a Police State. What we need is to be free of those who created the Police State by playing both sides of the field. The idea that we somehow "need" a Police State to protect us from Boogeyman of the Week is Fearmongering and the easiest to spot form of Propaganda I can give you.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

If you dig deep enough, you'll see the Deep State had its hand in the very creation of their groups by weaponizing their own religion into brainwashing instruments of hatred. They need conflict between "us" and "them" for power to be surrendered to them.

As far as Police State? Yes, we do live in one, but do NOT NEED a Police State. What we need is to be free of those who created the Police State by playing both sides of the field. The idea that we somehow "need" a Police State to protect us from Boogeyman of the Week is Fearmongering and the easiest to spot form of Propaganda I can give you.

I am very aware of neo cons and the use of/spread of Islam. But then again Islam does not need Neo Con asshattery, although it does make their spread that much easier.

They also need excuses to import more of them via the "invade the world/invite the world" lunacy.

We do not need a police state, but other people are just too dumb to see, understand this, and sadly they have the right to vote.

[DamianTV]

I am very aware of neo cons and the use of/spread of Islam. But then again Islam does not need Neo Con asshattery, although it does make their spread that much easier.

They also need excuses to import more of them via the "invade the world/invite the world" lunacy.

We do not need a police state, but other people are just too dumb to see, understand this, and sadly they have the right to vote.

Yup. #1 reason why propaganda is used? It is effective.

[Raginfridus]

....whatever...ime, functionally, they both support the gd fool republicans overwhelmingly...'both' are DEFINITELY part of the problem...I haven't observed the same problem, but two problems. I haven't met a conservative in the past, at least 5 years, who was overwhelmingly supportive of Republicans. They only vote red numerically these days, because the blues scare them more, which leaves them with no other options but to drop out of politics or vote red. That's problem one. Problem two are the neo-cons themselves, for which there's no realistic solution short of a new government. Unfortunately, that can't be done peacefully, because the neo-cons, and their prog allies, are corrupt and bloodthirsty liars, whose network of accomplices infest every layer of government, in every branch of government. Anyone looking to "drain the swamp" would need an army of bureaucrats, to then fill the swamp, after dismissing everyone they legally could. Not to mention the cooperation of willing legislative and judicial branches. To surrender our government, the neo-cons would need to be met by a greater force, and a reasonable assurance of pardon, otherwise we only accelerate toward mass murder, which the American people cannot win - not in our 21st century police state we couldn't.

[H. E. Panqui]

I haven't observed the same problem, but two problems. I haven't met a conservative in the past, at least 5 years, who was overwhelmingly supportive of Republicans. They only vote red numerically these days, because the blues scare them more, which leaves them with no other options but to drop out of politics or vote red. That's problem one. Problem two are the neo-cons themselves, for which there's no realistic solution short of a new government. Unfortunately, that can't be done peacefully, because the neo-cons, and their prog allies, are corrupt and bloodthirsty liars, whose network of accomplices infest every layer of government, in every branch of government. Anyone looking to "drain the swamp" would need an army of bureaucrats, to then fill the swamp, after dismissing everyone they legally could. Not to mention the cooperation of willing legislative and judicial branches. To surrender our government, the neo-cons would need to be met by a greater force, and a reasonable assurance of pardon, otherwise we only accelerate toward mass murder, which the American people cannot win - not in our 21st century police state we couldn't.

...'republican/democrat', 'liberal/conservative', 'right/left' etc., are false dichotomies...constructed to herd the sheeple into a very narrow range of thought...at least with respect to the biggest/most important thing$: the all-powerful, near all-controlling monetary fraud going on our noses, the goddamned fool warmongerism/interventionism, government schooling, hideous corporate agriculture, etc. ad nauseam...oh there have been a few 'decent ones' amongst the republicrats...but they have proven very very very very rare...i'd argue they are practically extinct...

...there is no excuse except ignorance, hate, fear, greed, etc., for affirming any of these stinking puppet$..ugh...btw, many 'liberals' i know vote for/affirm the stinking democrats because they don't want ?your stinking republicans anywhere near power...i, and i firmly believe most/all sane decent people, don't want any of these stinking republicrat monetary ignoramuses/puppet$ anywhere near power... ;)

[acptulsa]

Well you Neo cons have had a good run and are about to get wiped out by the Alt Right...

Don't tell the America First crowd that the United States will be far from the first empire to break itself on the mountains of Afghanistan. They might as well be allowed to wallow in their blissful ignorance a little while longer.

[Raginfridus]

...'republican/democrat', 'liberal/conservative', 'right/left' etc., are false dichotomies...constructed to herd the sheeple into a very narrow range of thought...at least with respect to the biggest/most important thing$: the all-powerful, near all-controlling monetary fraud going on our noses, the goddamned fool warmongerism/interventionism, government schooling, hideous corporate agriculture, etc. ad nauseam...oh there have been a few 'decent ones' amongst the republicrats...but they have proven very very very very rare...i'd argue they are practically extinct...

...there is no excuse except ignorance, hate, fear, greed, etc., for affirming any of these stinking puppet$..ugh...btw, many 'liberals' i know vote for/affirm the stinking democrats because they don't want ?your stinking republicans anywhere near power...i, and i firmly believe most/all sane decent people, don't want any of these stinking republicrat monetary ignoramuses/puppet$ anywhere near power... ;)Its true, most conservatives today are progressives. They're of the neocon/trotskyist strain and mostly willing to look the other way on the domestic revolution, for advancing the revolution elsewhere in the world. Its harder to find a good conservative or liberal, who hasn't been bought off by special intrigues, to stand their ground in congress or in the courts. If that's your point, I agree.

[Working Poor]

I don't want to have to scroll all the way thru to see but I think I forgot to say FU Bill Kristol.

[The Rebel Poet]

I don't want to have to scroll all the way thru to see but I think I forgot to say FU Bill Kristol.
We'll forgive you if you accidentally said it twice.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Don't tell the America First crowd that the United States will be far from the first empire to break itself on the mountains of Afghanistan. They might as well be allowed to wallow in their blissful ignorance a little while longer.

Clearly you know NOTHING about the America First Movement. We never wanted to occupy, we never wanted to be involved with that horrible POS nation called Israel.

[nikcers]

Clearly you know NOTHING about the America First Movement. We never wanted to occupy, we never wanted to be involved with that horrible POS nation called Israel.
Clearly you know NOTHING about the America First Movement if you don't even think in terms of Israel.

[acptulsa]

Clearly you know NOTHING about the America First Movement. We never wanted to occupy, we never wanted to be involved with that horrible POS nation called Israel.

It was a joke. It was a sort of a pun on the word first. It was gallows humor. Clearly I know that America First has nothing to do with spending our blood and treasure nation building in Afghanistan. Clearly I know that America First was never about America being the First to break its empire in that quagmire.

Chill, dude. I know it hurts that Trump has betrayed and abandoned you. It hurt us a year and a half ago when we tried to warn you this day would come, and you called us names and abandoned our honest candidate for that clown. It hurt. You were warned this day would come. You people spent enough time biting my head off back then when I tried to tell you that your orange clown would do that to you yesterday. Stop already.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

It was a joke. It was a sort of a pun on the word first. It was gallows humor. Clearly I know that America First has nothing to do with spending our blood and treasure nation building in Afghanistan. Clearly I know that America First was never about America being the First to break its empire in that quagmire.

Chill, dude. I know it hurts that Trump has betrayed and abandoned you. It hurt us a year and a half ago when we tried to warn you this day would come, and you called us names and abandoned our honest candidate for that clown. It hurt. You were warned this day would come. You people spent enough time biting my head off back then when I tried to tell you that your orange clown would do that to you yesterday. Stop already.

Man, you never trumpers always make grand predictions and always fall so very short of them.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Clearly you know NOTHING about the America First Movement if you don't even think in terms of Israel.

Cant tell if joking.

[jmdrake]

Well you Neo cons have had a good run and are about to get wiped out by the Alt Right, oh look, we have a Trump Card.

50 years these Neo trotskkists, Israel Firsters have caused nothing but troblue and have sold us out to the left...Well 50 years of failure they can no longer out run.

LOL. Bannon (who isn't racist) is out. Racists went wild in Charlottesville. Trump it pumping war in Afghanistan, with North Korea, he bombed Syria, and he's threatening freaking Venezuela. Our best hope for liberty is now for Rand to primary Trump in 2020.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

LOL. Bannon (who isn't racist) is out. Racists went wild in Charlottesville. Trump it pumping war in Afghanistan, with North Korea, he bombed Syria, and he's threatening freaking Venezuela. Our best hope for liberty is now for Rand to primary Trump in 2020.

..LOL. Bannon is home in his element at Beritbart, there he will rain hell down on the Neo Cons. Charloattesville only proves our point that the establishment is against us and has no problem throwing out the rule of law, this has rallied more and more normies to oppose the left, even if they do not side with us.

Astan is winding down, NK is NOT going to happen, Syria is finished. We are not going into Venezula, he will not risk angering the based again.

Oh You mean Rand "Lets give felons the right to vote, never mind they vote 95% Dem if given the chance to" Paul? Yeah, not happening.

[jmdrake]

..LOL. Bannon is home in his element at Beritbart, there he will rain hell down on the Neo Cons. Charloattesville only proves our point that the establishment is against us and has no problem throwing out the rule of law, this has rallied more and more normies to oppose the left, even if they do not side with us.

Astan is winding down, NK is NOT going to happen, Syria is finished. We are not going into Venezula, he will not risk angering the based again.

Oh You mean Rand "Lets give felons the right to vote, never mind they vote 95% Dem if given the chance to" Paul? Yeah, not happening.

:rolleyes: So instead of standing with Rand you stand with David Duke? That's not going to bring "normies" to oppose the left. I'm not sure what "Astan" is, but Afghanistan is heating up. And a lot of Trump's "base" loves war. And Trump loves praise, even when it's coming from the likes of John McCain and Lindsey Graham. As for Rand's plan to let non-violent felons who have records because of the unconstitutional war on drugs vote again, only a non-libertarian would be against that.

[jmdrake]

..LOL. Bannon is home in his element at Beritbart, there he will rain hell down on the Neo Cons. Charloattesville only proves our point that the establishment is against us and has no problem throwing out the rule of law, this has rallied more and more normies to oppose the left, even if they do not side with us.

Astan is winding down, NK is NOT going to happen, Syria is finished. We are not going into Venezula, he will not risk angering the based again.

Oh You mean Rand "Lets give felons the right to vote, never mind they vote 95% Dem if given the chance to" Paul? Yeah, not happening.

:rolleyes: So instead of standing with Rand you stand with David Duke? That's not going to bring "normies" to oppose the left. I'm not sure what "Astan" is, but Afghanistan is heating up. And a lot of Trump's "base" loves war. And Trump loves praise, even when it's coming from the likes of John McCain and Lindsey Graham. As for Rand's plan to let non-violent felons who have records because of the unconstitutional war on drugs vote again, only a non-libertarian would be against that.

[H. E. Panqui]

Oh You mean Rand "Lets give felons the right to vote, never mind they vote 95% Dem if given the chance to" Paul? Yeah, not happening.

...rand paul is to be praised!! [hallelujah!!] for this stance if true....sadly and sickeningly, a HUGE majority of republicrats can't get it through their thick skulls that a large percentage of people labelled 'felons' have committed no true 'crime' and have been horribly used and abused by ?your sad, sickening republicrats...ugh... :mad:

...in a LARGE percentage of cases ?you republicrats are the true criminals having initiated the force/violence/government or commi$$ioned the initiation of said force/violence/government...a just, intelligent society would have ?you/your drug war pig$, etc. victimless crime pig$ galore, tarred and feathered, hung by the neck, in the hoosegow, etc...your republicrats are the true felons...

[RestorationOfLiberty]

...rand paul is to be praised!! [hallelujah!!] for this stance if true....sadly and sickeningly, a HUGE majority of republicrats can't get it through their thick skulls that a large percentage of people labelled 'felons' have committed no true 'crime' and have been horribly used and abused by ?your sad, sickening republicrats...ugh... :mad:

And yet you want to give them the means to out vote you, they will never support your ideals and yet you want to give them a weapon to use against you. You people are largely useful idiots for the left.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

:rolleyes: So instead of standing with Rand you stand with David Duke? That's not going to bring "normies" to oppose the left. I'm not sure what "Astan" is, but Afghanistan is heating up. And a lot of Trump's "base" loves war. And Trump loves praise, even when it's coming from the likes of John McCain and Lindsey Graham. As for Rand's plan to let non-violent felons who have records because of the unconstitutional war on drugs vote again, only a non-libertarian would be against that.

Wow, that is not a fallacy at all right? No, the left will bring about normies opposing the left.

No, the base is very against foreign intervention, more over he can not stand McCain and Graham.

Sure, its not because those people would become newly minted Democrats who will cancel my vote many times over, right?

Its not like your ideals become impossible to enact if people out vote you, right?

[jmdrake]

And yet you want to give them the means to out vote you, they will never support your ideals and yet you want to give them a weapon to use against you. You people are largely useful idiots for the left.

Do you or do you not support the war on drugs?

[jmdrake]

Wow, that is not a fallacy at all right? No, the left will bring about normies opposing the left.

You have failed to string together a coherent thought here. Try again.



No, the base is very against foreign intervention, more over he can not stand McCain and Graham.


The base of Trump supporters calling into talk radio love the war talk. And that's the reason Trump was able to win when Ron failed twice. Trump talked non-interventionist and pro-war at the same time. During the campaign he went along with the "ISIS is because Obama pulled out of Iraq too fast" nonsense argument that the neocons have been hawking all along. If Obama pulled out of Iraq too fast then certainly Trump has no room to do anything but accelerate in Afghanistan. How do you define "base"? Do you mean the majority of Trump voters? I guarantee you the majority of people who voted for Trump ultimately are pro war.


Sure, its not because those people would become newly minted Democrats who will cancel my vote many times over, right?

So you support the war on drugs for the sole purpose of cancelling out the right to vote of groups of people who you think will vote against your interests? Because even if felons rights aren't restored, if the war on drugs is abolished there will be less felons and in a few generations that will have the same effect of having many more voters from communities that you fear and despise.


Its not like your ideals become impossible to enact if people out vote you, right?

If we are going to sacrifice principles because people like you don't believe enough in the message of liberty to understand that voting blocks can change over time if you quit right wing identity politics then there is no point in even having a liberty movement.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

You have failed to string together a coherent thought here. Try again.



The base of Trump supporters calling into talk radio love the war talk. And that's the reason Trump was able to win when Ron failed twice. Trump talked non-interventionist and pro-war at the same time. During the campaign he went along with the "ISIS is because Obama pulled out of Iraq too fast" nonsense argument that the neocons have been hawking all along. If Obama pulled out of Iraq too fast then certainly Trump has no room to do anything but accelerate in Afghanistan. How do you define "base"? Do you mean the majority of Trump voters? I guarantee you the majority of people who voted for Trump ultimately are pro war.



So you support the war on drugs for the sole purpose of cancelling out the right to vote of groups of people who you think will vote against your interests? Because even if felons rights aren't restored, if the war on drugs is abolished there will be less felons and in a few generations that will have the same effect of having many more voters from communities that you fear and despise.



If we are going to sacrifice principles because people like you don't believe enough in the message of liberty to understand that voting blocks can change over time if you quit right wing identity politics then there is no point in even having a liberty movement.

No, I do not support the war on drugs, I also do not support rising an army of enemy voters against me.

Yeah, its it, I dont believe in it enough, not that other groups dont believe or even understand it at all, right? LOL. Have fun losing election after election, gaining nothing and losing everything as you out voted by people who want nothing you are selling.

"Voting blocs change over time"...Not really, most of the non whites clearly want more 'free stuff", minting more of those voters only compounds the problem.

You are just upset more and more people are not drinking your brand of Kool Aid, "Right Wing Identity politics" is only a bad thing that we are doing it, and we are clearly winning.

You had your chance, you guys at best failed, at worst you helped the enemies of everything you claimed to value just to virtue signal.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Do you or do you not support the war on drugs?

I dont,, that being said why should I support creating millions of people who will vote against me?

[jmdrake]

I dont,, that being said why should I support creating millions of people who will vote against me?

If the war on drugs is ended then millions of black people will not become felons in the first place. Let's cut the euphemisms. Yes most black people vote democrat. That's in part because of crap like the war on drugs which Nixon launched. Reagan accelerated the WOD while at the same time he and Oliver North helped create the crack epidemic. And yes, democrats like Bill Clinton made it much worse when he (Clinton) adopted the GOP "Contract on America" and pushed the GOP crime bill as his own. Undoing the damage from that phone war, as Rand Paul is seeking to do, will be an important step in ending the democratic stranglehold on the black vote. But if we were to take the right wing racist identity politics position of "Let's make sure these people can't vote in the first place" that becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

[The Rebel Poet]

:rolleyes: So instead of standing with Rand you stand with David Duke? That's not going to bring "normies" to oppose the left. I'm not sure what "Astan" is, but Afghanistan is heating up. And a lot of Trump's "base" loves war. And Trump loves praise, even when it's coming from the likes of John McCain and Lindsey Graham. As for Rand's plan to let non-violent felons who have records because of the unconstitutional war on drugs vote again, only a non-libertarian would be against that.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jmdrake again.

:rolleyes: So instead of standing with Rand you stand with David Duke? That's not going to bring "normies" to oppose the left. I'm not sure what "Astan" is, but Afghanistan is heating up. And a lot of Trump's "base" loves war. And Trump loves praise, even when it's coming from the likes of John McCain and Lindsey Graham. As for Rand's plan to let non-violent felons who have records because of the unconstitutional war on drugs vote again, only a non-libertarian would be against that.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jmdrake again.


You have failed to string together a coherent thought here. Try again.



The base of Trump supporters calling into talk radio love the war talk. And that's the reason Trump was able to win when Ron failed twice. Trump talked non-interventionist and pro-war at the same time. During the campaign he went along with the "ISIS is because Obama pulled out of Iraq too fast" nonsense argument that the neocons have been hawking all along. If Obama pulled out of Iraq too fast then certainly Trump has no room to do anything but accelerate in Afghanistan. How do you define "base"? Do you mean the majority of Trump voters? I guarantee you the majority of people who voted for Trump ultimately are pro war.



So you support the war on drugs for the sole purpose of cancelling out the right to vote of groups of people who you think will vote against your interests? Because even if felons rights aren't restored, if the war on drugs is abolished there will be less felons and in a few generations that will have the same effect of having many more voters from communities that you fear and despise.



If we are going to sacrifice principles because people like you don't believe enough in the message of liberty to understand that voting blocks can change over time if you quit right wing identity politics then there is no point in even having a liberty movement.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jmdrake again.

If the war on drugs is ended then millions of black people will not become felons in the first place. Let's cut the euphemisms. Yes most black people vote democrat. That's in part because of crap like the war on drugs which Nixon launched. Reagan accelerated the WOD while at the same time he and Oliver North helped create the crack epidemic. And yes, democrats like Bill Clinton made it much worse when he (Clinton) adopted the GOP "Contract on America" and pushed the GOP crime bill as his own. Undoing the damage from that phone war, as Rand Paul is seeking to do, will be an important step in ending the democratic stranglehold on the black vote. But if we were to take the right wing racist identity politics position of "Let's make sure these people can't vote in the first place" that becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jmdrake again.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Hey Rebel post, comment where EVERYONE can see it.

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1503617992334.png

Also not a Neo Con.

I do not support Israel
I do not support nation building
I do not support interventionism
I do not support "free" trade"
I do not support fiat currency
I do not support open borders
I do not support mass immigration
I do not support multiculturalism
I do not support noble defeatism

So you are clearly not aware what a neo con is or what they believe.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

If the war on drugs is ended then millions of black people will not become felons in the first place. Let's cut the euphemisms. Yes most black people vote democrat. That's in part because of crap like the war on drugs which Nixon launched. Reagan accelerated the WOD while at the same time he and Oliver North helped create the crack epidemic. And yes, democrats like Bill Clinton made it much worse when he (Clinton) adopted the GOP "Contract on America" and pushed the GOP crime bill as his own. Undoing the damage from that phone war, as Rand Paul is seeking to do, will be an important step in ending the democratic stranglehold on the black vote. But if we were to take the right wing racist identity politics position of "Let's make sure these people can't vote in the first place" that becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

Sure, it has NOTHING to do with "free stuff". Right? Or this anti White, victim statue, blame whitey for everything wrong in my life, right?

This is going to do NOTHING to end those strongholds, the only way to do so is Voter ID, Purging rolls, limiting absentee ballots, and limiting early voting.
https://altright.com/2017/08/21/blacks-will-never-get-off-the-democrat-plantation/

IF you want to talk about talking our own side, advancing OUR interests and making sure other groups can not derail, limit, or harm them or us, then sure, why not?

I know its hard to expect that not everyone values the same things, or can be free, but that is the reality of the world. Some people do not value freedom and will sabotage it for everyone else, so as in the words of Hoppe, they are to be "psychically removed......So to speak".

[H. E. Panqui]

Hey Rebel post, comment where EVERYONE can see it. Also not a Neo Con.

I do not support Israel
I do not support nation building
I do not support interventionism
I do not support "free" trade"
I do not support fiat currency
I do not support open borders
I do not support mass immigration
I do not support multiculturalism
I do not support noble defeatism

So you are clearly not aware what a neo con is or what they believe.

:cool:

...i believe you've already admitted to supporting/affirming 'neo-cons' and therefore many of the item$ you claim you do not support...

...i don't believe i've ever run into two people who share the same notions about any of the stinking 'isms' about which 'politicos' wag...[yes, i am a politico too]...

...i suggest if you want the best 'government' possible we merely recognize/acknowledge that 'government' is people...and if you want the best people/ideas for something/anything you conduct an honest, VIGOROUS search...

...we live in a strange brew of republicrat-media-addled folks who would go violently berserk if their favorite sport was debauched such that fat slow weak stooooooopid slobs were somehow crowned champions through outright official crookery...but, in the great :rolleyes:'competition of ideas about government' (politics) where 'our leaders'--'the best and the brightest'-:rolleyes: are 'crowned' we see fat-head, slow, weak-minded, corrupt slobs!!! [we'd be much better off choosing politicians randomly from the phone-book, lottery, etc., rather than allowing these stinking republicrats to dominate officialdom....]

...my point is there is no intelligently-conceived 'competition of ideas about government' and our republicrat 'champions' :rolleyes: have been foisted upon us....for a looooooooooooooooooooooong time...

...imo, awareness about our stinking, rotten monetary/financial order is the 'attack point' where the greatest good can be achieved in the shortest time...most/all people/politicians i meet are worse than butt-ignorant about even the basics of 'money,' money issuance, etc. so there is a huge opportunity to spread awareness...i admit to being a hopeless optimist...

[H. E. Panqui]

And yet you want to give them the means to out vote you, they will never support your ideals and yet you want to give them a weapon to use against you. You people are largely useful idiots for the left.

:rolleyes:

...oh i get it...the republican national strategy: 'if you can't beat 'them' in an honest, intelligent manner, disenfranchise enough of 'them' to eek out an arguable 'victory'...you republicans are true champions...:rolleyes:

[jmdrake]

Sure, it has NOTHING to do with "free stuff". Right? Or this anti White, victim statue, blame whitey for everything wrong in my life, right?

You realize that Steve Bannon is for "free stuff" right? Steve Bannon supports increasing taxes on "the rich." He wants a freaking 44 percent marginal tax!

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/26/steve-bannon-pushing-for-44-percent-marginal-tax-rate-on-the-very-rich/

Steve Bannon also pushed for a 1 trillion dollar stimulus package, which is bigger than anything Obama ever asked for.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/donald-trump-infrastructure-plan-congress

So take that self righteous "blacks and liberals want free stuff" crap and shove it up your arse! And I say this as someone that has nothing against Steve Bannon. I don't thing he's a racist. But he's most definitely a socialist. If he was a democrat he and Bernie Sanders would be best buddies. And the alt-right goon squad in Charlottesville was made up largely of national socialists. That's where the term "nazi" comes from. Bush increased welfare with medicare part D. Clinton cut welfare when he adopted the republican "Contract for America" as his own. Bush increasing welfare didn't gain him black support and Clinton cutting welfare didn't lose him black support. Hillary's support for the evil war on drugs and the Clinton/GOP crime bill cost her black support and it should have.

[CaptUSA]

You realize that Steve Bannon is for "free stuff" right? Steve Bannon supports increasing taxes on "the rich." He wants a freaking 44 percent marginal tax!

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/26/steve-bannon-pushing-for-44-percent-marginal-tax-rate-on-the-very-rich/

Steve Bannon also pushed for a 1 trillion dollar stimulus package, which is bigger than anything Obama ever asked for.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/donald-trump-infrastructure-plan-congress

So take that self righteous "blacks and liberals want free stuff" crap and shove it up your arse! And I say this as someone that has nothing against Steve Bannon. I don't thing he's a racist. But he's most definitely a socialist. If he was a democrat he and Bernie Sanders would be best buddies. And the alt-right goon squad in Charlottesville was made up largely of national socialists. That's where the term "nazi" comes from. Bush increased welfare with medicare part D. Clinton cut welfare when he adopted the republican "Contract for America" as his own. Bush increasing welfare didn't gain him black support and Clinton cutting welfare didn't lose him black support. Hillary's support for the evil war on drugs and the Clinton/GOP crime bill cost her black support and it should have.


+rep!

This is what most people are missing. The current fight is between people who want things from their government. Yeah, they want different "groups" to have preferential treatment at the teat, but none of them want to turn off the tap.

That's where we come in.

[liveandletlive]

What ive learned from all of this neocon/altright/left nonsense is that Ron Paul is the only man you can trust.

Ron Paul 2020

[nikcers]

Cant tell if joking.

Can't tell if retarded or reading fake news? Trump has been campaigning on and trying to get rid out of the Iran Nuke agreement because in his words it says that if someone attacks Iran we have to defend them.



Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has told Russian President Vladimir Putin that Israel was prepared to act unilaterally to prevent an expanded Iranian military presence in Syria

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Can't tell if retarded or reading fake news? Trump has been campaigning on and trying to get rid out of the Iran Nuke agreement because in his words it says that if someone attacks Iran we have to defend them.

And "Our Greatest Ally" will go it alone, If not get nuked by Iran.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

:cool:

...i believe you've already admitted to supporting/affirming 'neo-cons' and therefore many of the item$ you claim you do not support...

...i don't believe i've ever run into two people who share the same notions about any of the stinking 'isms' about which 'politicos' wag...[yes, i am a politico too]...

...i suggest if you want the best 'government' possible we merely recognize/acknowledge that 'government' is people...and if you want the best people/ideas for something/anything you conduct an honest, VIGOROUS search...

...we live in a strange brew of republicrat-media-addled folks who would go violently berserk if their favorite sport was debauched such that fat slow weak stooooooopid slobs were somehow crowned champions through outright official crookery...but, in the great :rolleyes:'competition of ideas about government' (politics) where 'our leaders'--'the best and the brightest'-:rolleyes: are 'crowned' we see fat-head, slow, weak-minded, corrupt slobs!!! [we'd be much better off choosing politicians randomly from the phone-book, lottery, etc., rather than allowing these stinking republicrats to dominate officialdom....]

...my point is there is no intelligently-conceived 'competition of ideas about government' and our republicrat 'champions' :rolleyes: have been foisted upon us....for a looooooooooooooooooooooong time...

...imo, awareness about our stinking, rotten monetary/financial order is the 'attack point' where the greatest good can be achieved in the shortest time...most/all people/politicians i meet are worse than butt-ignorant about even the basics of 'money,' money issuance, etc. so there is a huge opportunity to spread awareness...i admit to being a hopeless optimist...

you clearly have NO point to make, and have no idea what in the hell you are talking about.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

:rolleyes:

...oh i get it...the republican national strategy: 'if you can't beat 'them' in an honest, intelligent manner, disenfranchise enough of 'them' to eek out an arguable 'victory'...you republicans are true champions...:rolleyes:

Yeah, its called WINNING, and how you achieve it does not matter so much as you do. Its not our fault some people do not, can not, will not understand and accept our ideals, values, politics, that is THEIR problem not ours, but we are not going to lose because of that.

You want to sit around being "moral", fine, you will lose every time to those who are not.

But hey here is the Democratic National Strategy "Import a bunch of welfare voters until we displace/replace enough real Americans so we can have a one party distinct,city, state, and call anyone who notices and wants to stop it names and lie about what is going on"..

Unlike the Libertarian National Strategy "View everyone as the same interchangeable cog, valuing the same things, all the while deny any objective facts that prove that is not the case, and noble defeatism"....

Keep doing what you are doing, going no where fast all the while shouting names at those who are.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

You realize that Steve Bannon is for "free stuff" right? Steve Bannon supports increasing taxes on "the rich." He wants a freaking 44 percent marginal tax!

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/26/steve-bannon-pushing-for-44-percent-marginal-tax-rate-on-the-very-rich/

Steve Bannon also pushed for a 1 trillion dollar stimulus package, which is bigger than anything Obama ever asked for.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/donald-trump-infrastructure-plan-congress




Infrastructure and stimulus are not the same thing guy, read the link before you post.


So take that self righteous "blacks and liberals want free stuff" crap and shove it up your arse!


Aw, whats wrong, dont like facts that prove your world view to be a sham? Blacks, Hispanics, and leftists all want bigger and bigger government, and more and more spending on pointless programs, wanting some money spent on a wall, deportations, national defense is not the same thing, and all your lying does not make it so.



And I say this as someone that has nothing against Steve Bannon. I don't thing he's a racist. But he's most definitely a socialist. If he was a democrat he and Bernie Sanders would be best buddies.


No, a person who wants the state to do its job is not a socalist, but keep name calling.



And the alt-right goon squad in Charlottesville was made up largely of national socialists. That's where the term "nazi" comes from. Bush increased welfare with medicare part D. Clinton cut welfare when he adopted the republican "Contract for America" as his own. Bush increasing welfare didn't gain him black support and Clinton cutting welfare didn't lose him black support. Hillary's support for the evil war on drugs and the Clinton/GOP crime bill cost her black support and it should have.


Not really, not even a 10th of the alt right at Cville were NS, but keep lying, CNN is proud of you.

Sure, it had nothing to do with her appeal or lack of it to blacks? They just vote for the party that gives them more, with is by and large the DNC, Bush is proof you can offer them everything and they still wont vote for the right.

[nikcers]

And "Our Greatest Ally" will go it alone, If not get nuked by Iran.
That's why Trump didn't go to the last Republican debate to give a speech to AIPAC to promise to rip of the Iran agreement, because it was the only thing stopping Israel from going to war with Iran? Or the fact that he floated John Bolton for SOS who said that his plan was to to let Israel bomb Iran and provide them with intel and weapons?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/12/donald-trump-calls-ron-paul-joke/334761/
Ron Paul as an example says Iran should have nuclear weapons or can have nuclear weapons and doesn't even think in terms of Israel. I think they are joke candidates."

Oh but your breitbart website loves Trump, what's that website based on ? Bannon declared the website "the platform for the alt-right" in 2016,[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_News#cite_note-Sarah_Posner-18)


Andrew Breitbart conceived of the idea of founding Breitbart News Network, with "the aim of starting a site that would be unapologetically pro-freedom and pro-Israel.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

That's why Trump didn't go to the last Republican debate to give a speech to AIPAC to promise to rip of the Iran agreement, because it was the only thing stopping Israel from going to war with Iran? Or the fact that he floated John Bolton for SOS who said that his plan was to to let Israel bomb Iran and provide them with intel and weapons?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/12/donald-trump-calls-ron-paul-joke/334761/
Ron Paul as an example says Iran should have nuclear weapons or can have nuclear weapons and doesn't even think in terms of Israel. I think they are joke candidates."

Oh but your breitbart website loves Trump, what's that website based on ? Bannon declared the website "the platform for the alt-right" in 2016,[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_News#cite_note-Sarah_Posner-18)





A bunch of Israeli Firsters or the base? Which does he listen to again?

[nikcers]

A bunch of Israeli Firsters or the base? Which does he listen to again?
I dunno- what do you think Trump meant when he said Ron Paul doesn't even think in terms of Israel???

[RestorationOfLiberty]

I dunno- what do you think Trump meant when he said Ron Paul doesn't even think in terms of Israel???


What he had to in order to get those moronic Evangelicals on his side.

[H. E. Panqui]

Infrastructure and stimulus are not the same thing guy, read the link before you post.

:rolleyes:

...infrastructure and stimulus are both measured in, facilitated by, etc., some illion$ of 'tax dollars'...you, i'm almost certain, are not in possession of even a basic honest understanding of the hideous origin and nature of even one 'dollar'...word...

...as to your ideas about 'us' 'winning'...i will never be a member of your rotten goddamned team of fools/puppets!!! ...ugh....

...little do you know but, in the larger $cheme of thing$, there isn't a dimes difference between the stinking democrats and your stinking republicans... ;)

[Ender]

And "Our Greatest Ally" will go it alone, If not get nuked by Iran.

"Our Greatest Ally" has 400+ nuclear warheads. Iran has NONE.

"Our Greatest Ally" never signed the nuclear proliferation agreement; Iran did and is still considered the "bad guy".

[nikcers]

What he had to in order to get those moronic Evangelicals on his side.
He said that in 2011 before the Iowa caucus and tweeted a vote for Ron Paul is a wasted vote, and that he would run third party if Ron Paul was the nominee. What does that have to do with getting Evangelicals on his side?

[jmdrake]

Infrastructure and stimulus are not the same thing guy, read the link before you post.

LOL. You have truly drunk the kool aid. Bannon in his own words.

"Like [Andrew] Jackson's populism, we're going to build an entirely new political movement," he says. "It's everything related to jobs. The conservatives are going to go crazy. I'm the guy pushing a trillion-dollar infrastructure plan. With negative interest rates throughout the world, it's the greatest opportunity to rebuild everything. Shipyards, ironworks, get them all jacked up. We're just going to throw it up against the wall and see if it sticks. It will be as exciting as the 1930s, greater than the Reagan revolution — conservatives, plus populists, in an economic nationalist movement."

The point of all of this? Economic stimulus. That's why he calls himself an economic nationalist. It matters not whether we actually need government "negative interest rate" (Federal Reserve Quantitative Easing stimulus) money to because it can't come from the private sector. Oh no. Just throw stimulus money against the wall and "see what sticks."



Aw, whats wrong, dont like facts that prove your world view to be a sham? Blacks, Hispanics, and leftists all want bigger and bigger government, and more and more spending on pointless programs, wanting some money spent on a wall, deportations, national defense is not the same thing, and all your lying does not make it so.


You wouldn't know a fact if it kicked you in the face. Steve Bannon is calling for a 1 trillion dollar stimulus package. He's calling for a 44 % marginal soak the rich tax! How stupid are you? Seriously?




No, a person who wants the state to do its job is not a socalist, but keep name calling.


So it's the states job to tax the rich at 44%, revel in federal reserve quantitative easing (stimulus), push for a 1 trillion dollar stimulus package, and the do what private industry should do which is to see what investments actually "stick?" Where did you learn economics from?



Not really, not even a 10th of the alt right at Cville were NS, but keep lying, CNN is proud of you.


You took a census?

http://www.khou.com/img/resize/content.khou.com/photo/2017/08/12/636381270777565257-XXX-WhiteNationalistTorchRalley-MM-006_1502550530202_10242651_ver1.0.JPG?preset=534-401


Sure, it had nothing to do with her appeal or lack of it to blacks? They just vote for the party that gives them more, with is by and large the DNC, Bush is proof you can offer them everything and they still wont vote for the right.

Bush is proof that blacks by an large don't support the war on drugs and the war in Iraq. But I guess you do support those things?

[jmdrake]

:rolleyes:

...infrastructure and stimulus are both measured in, facilitated by, etc., some illion$ of 'tax dollars'...you, i'm almost certain, are not in possession of even a basic honest understanding of the hideous origin and nature of even one 'dollar'...word...

...as to your ideas about 'us' 'winning'...i will never be a member of your rotten goddamned team of fools/puppets!!! ...ugh....

...little do you know but, in the larger $cheme of thing$, there isn't a dimes difference between the stinking democrats and your stinking republicans... ;)

Exactly. Obama proposes to spend billions on bridges to nowhere, that's evil stimulus. Bannon proposes to take 1 trillion, throw it against the wall and see if it sticks, that's the government doing its job.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

:rolleyes:

...infrastructure and stimulus are both measured in, facilitated by, etc., some illion$ of 'tax dollars'...you, i'm almost certain, are not in possession of even a basic honest understanding of the hideous origin and nature of even one 'dollar'...word...

...as to your ideas about 'us' 'winning'...i will never be a member of your rotten goddamned team of fools/puppets!!! ...ugh....

...little do you know but, in the larger $cheme of thing$, there isn't a dimes difference between the stinking democrats and your stinking republicans... ;)

Keep spreging out, its done wonders for you so far, right?

[RestorationOfLiberty]

"Our Greatest Ally" has 400+ nuclear warheads. Iran has NONE.

"Our Greatest Ally" never signed the nuclear proliferation agreement; Iran did and is still considered the "bad guy".

I really do hope Iran has a few, and I am very aware of Iran, and the "Our "Greatest" Ally"s double standards.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

He said that in 2011 before the Iowa caucus and tweeted a vote for Ron Paul is a wasted vote, and that he would run third party if Ron Paul was the nominee. What does that have to do with getting Evangelicals on his side?

...Nothing, that is a different issue, different subject, anyone with an IQ above room temperature, can see that.

[H. E. Panqui]

Keep spreging out, its done wonders for you so far, right?

...it really has done wonders..triggering you safe-space, snowflake, republicrat monetary ignoramuses, warmongers, drug-war-pigs, etc., does something magical for my constitution... ;)

...btw, how many people have you convinced with your brilliant, masterful, republicrat-radio ideas?...

[RestorationOfLiberty]

...it really has done wonders..triggering you safe-space, snowflake, republicrat monetary ignoramuses, warmongers, drug-war-pigs, etc., does something magical for my constitution... ;)

...btw, how many people have you convinced with your brilliant, masterful, republicrat-radio ideas?...

Well judging by who is in the White House, more then enough. How many people have you convinced again? I will wait.

[AZJoe]

Little whiny Billy A$$h01e, I mean Bill Kristol's latest:

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[Anti Globalist]

Fuck Bill Kristol.

[Brian4Liberty]

Little whiny Billy A$$h01e, I mean Bill Kristol's latest:

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It’s called global “permanent revolution”, comrade. One of the defining strategies of the Trotskyite neo-conservatives. Marxist theory is always just below the surface for those, such as Bill Kristol, who worship Trotsky. And it is then transferred to the naive who would follow it simply because they like war.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

It’s called global “permanent revolution”, comrade. One of the defining strategies of the Trotskyite neo-conservatives. Marxist theory is always just below the surface for those, such as Bill Kristol, who worship Trotsky. And it is then transferred to the naive who would follow it simply because they like war.

His POS magazine has just closed for good, Thank God.