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dude58677
05-27-2016, 01:20 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/27/news/trump-university/index.html

You are a closet Hillary supporter because you never say anything bad about Hillary. You don't care that she is a war criminal.

Ender
05-27-2016, 01:22 PM
You are a closet Hillary supporter because you never say anything bad about Hillary. You don't care that she is a war criminal.

Hitlery is a slime- I think we all know that. We don't know much about the real Trump.

nikcers
05-27-2016, 01:24 PM
You are a closet Hillary supporter because you never say anything bad about Hillary. You don't care that she is a war criminal.

Why do you have to bring up Hillary in every thread?

nikcers
05-27-2016, 01:29 PM
It's almost as bad as when Debbie Wasserman Shultz gets interviewed about the democrat party and their shenanigans and all she can do is trash the Trump campaign / republican platform as a defense. Ron Paul has been saying that both parties were the same, and now we have someone who embodies that completely who Ron Paul explicitly doesn't support and all you can say is atleast he isn't Hillary? He is not even a man, he is a chicken boo.

Antischism
05-27-2016, 01:31 PM
You are a closet Hillary supporter because you never say anything bad about Hillary. You don't care that she is a war criminal.

Are there people promoting Hillary on the site? The reason these things get posted is because there are members actively supporting and promoting Donald Trump. Try to think a bit more critically.

phill4paul
05-27-2016, 01:35 PM
Are there people promoting Hillary on the site? The reason these things get posted is because there are members actively supporting and promoting Donald Trump. Try to think a bit more critically.

You've recognized the problem with Trump supporters.

dude58677
05-27-2016, 01:35 PM
Why do you have to bring up Hillary in every thread?

You support her that is why. Where is the evidence that Donald Trump is a war criminal? Last time I checked he was just a reality TV star.

With Hillary the evidence is overehelming that she is a war criminal.

nikcers
05-27-2016, 01:39 PM
You support her that is why. Where is the evidence that Donald Trump is a war criminal? Last time I checked he was just a reality TV star.

With Hillary the evidence is overehelming that she is a war criminal.

What? You mean Smeagol? He would never hurt anyone!!

Ender
05-27-2016, 01:43 PM
You've recognized the problem with Trump supporters.

Indeed.

dude58677
05-27-2016, 01:55 PM
What? You mean Smeagol? He would never hurt anyone!!

You have to do better than that, bud!

euphemia
05-27-2016, 01:56 PM
You are a closet Hillary supporter because you never say anything bad about Hillary. You don't care that she is a war criminal.

And that the Clinton Foundation is nothing but money laundering.

nikcers
05-27-2016, 01:58 PM
You have to do better than that, bud!

Look at this line particularly in the speech Trump made that was more important then the last republican debate.

My number-one priority is to dismantle the disastrous deal with Iran. (http://time.com/4267058/donald-trump-aipac-speech-transcript/)


McCain criticized party leaders who are reluctant to back Trump, saying they are "out of step" with voters who have chosen the controversial businessman as the GOP standard-bearer. He defended Trump for being a strong and "capable" leader, particularly on foreign policy. He called on Trump to choose a running mate who could "unite the party," possibly Iowa Sen. Joni Ernst, even as he strongly defended his 2008 choice of Sarah Palin.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

phill4paul
05-27-2016, 02:01 PM
And that the Clinton Foundation is nothing but money laundering.

I don't think there is a single person on this forum that doesn't already know this. I have never seen one thread in support of Hillary.

CPUd
05-27-2016, 02:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fflr6iq3E5k

silverhandorder
05-27-2016, 03:07 PM
I listened to that speech. I can say that video is an absolute lie. To be more precise the title which you were linking.

Have you no shame? I know the answer.

dude58677
05-27-2016, 03:10 PM
Look at this line particularly in the speech Trump made that was more important then the last republican debate.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

Howard Stern said we should bomb Canada and make it a 51st State? Does that make Howard Stern a war criminal?

Besides John McCain has a voting record in Congress supporting war. Where is Donald Trump's? Where is Howard Sterns?

CPUd
05-27-2016, 03:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADdppRtipy4

nikcers
05-27-2016, 03:26 PM
Howard Stern said we should bomb Canada and make it a 51st State? Does that make Howard Stern a war criminal?

Besides John McCain has a voting record in Congress supporting war. Where is Donald Trump's? Where is Howard Sterns?

You missed the quote about John McCain endorsing Trump because of his foreign policy positions specifcaly. If you look closer at Trumps AIPAC speech its almost the theme of that video. Trump says all the stuff that that questioner says to McCain about Iran funding Terrorism, and how Trumps going to make it stop, and rip up our diplomacy agreement.

dude58677
05-27-2016, 03:32 PM
You missed the quote about John McCain endorsing Trump because of his foreign policy positions specifcaly. If you look closer at Trumps AIPAC speech its almost the theme of that video. Trump says all the stuff that that questioner says to McCain about Iran funding Terrorism, and how Trumps going to make it stop, and rip up our diplomacy agreement.

Donald Trump said alot of things. People say alot of things about Donald Trump but what War Crime was Donald Trump part of? What War did he vote for in Congress?

nikcers
05-27-2016, 03:38 PM
Donald Trump said alot of things. People say alot of things about Donald Trump but what War Crime was Donald Trump part of? What War did he vote for in Congress?

John McCain and Dick Cheney are voting for Trump because of his foreign policy. I don't need any more proof, I vote against them every year.

dude58677
05-27-2016, 03:40 PM
John McCain and Dick Cheney are voting for Trump because of his foreign policy. I don't need any more proof, I vote against them every year.

How do you know they aren't voting for him because they are hoping for Donald Trump to lose support by people like you?

nikcers
05-27-2016, 03:50 PM
How do you know they aren't voting for him because they are hoping for Donald Trump to lose support by people like you?

MCcain said that same thing about Ted Cruz after he said he would carpet bomb the middle east, and be Iran's worst enemy and rip up the Iran deal on day one. The Neocons were fully against Trump all the way until he said that stuff in his AIPAC speech.

timosman
05-27-2016, 03:52 PM
How do you know they aren't voting for him because they are hoping for Donald Trump to lose support by people like you?

What a mindfuck this election is. :D

dude58677
05-27-2016, 04:00 PM
MCcain said that same thing about Ted Cruz after he said he would carpet bomb the middle east, and be Iran's worst enemy and rip up the Iran deal on day one. The Neocons were fully against Trump all the way until he said that stuff in his AIPAC speech.

Rand Paul said that Donald Trump had a good foreign policy although he was hoping he was sincere. You see all you have is speculation and some career politicians desperately trying hold onto their careers.

Even then this isn't anything that Donald Trump actually did. I asked you specifically what War crimes did he actually do in the past and you still can't answer.

William Tell
05-27-2016, 04:05 PM
Donald Trump said alot of things. People say alot of things about Donald Trump but what War Crime was Donald Trump part of? What War did he vote for in Congress?

LOL what war crime was Mitt Romney part of? What war did he vote for in Congress? Therefor we should have elected Romney?????? I guess we should support every neocon who runs for office the first time?:rolleyes:

dude58677
05-27-2016, 04:08 PM
LOL what war crime was Mitt Romney part of? What war did he vote for in Congress? Therefor we should have elected Romney??????

Mitt Romney was a governor seeking to become President and he was governor so he would become President. Donald Trump was just a reality TV star and never held office.

On top of this Mitt Romney hates Donald Trump so this conflicts with your notion of Neocon support for Donald Trump.

William Tell
05-27-2016, 04:14 PM
Mitt Romney was a governor seeking to become President and he was governor so he would become President. Donald Trump was just a reality TV star and never held office.
Who cares if he held office? If some guy runs for congress for the first time saying we should bomb the hell out of em' and execute Snowden you would vote for him?

dude58677
05-27-2016, 04:16 PM
Who cares if he held office? If some guy runs for congress for the first time saying we should bomb the hell out of em' and execute Snowden you would vote for him?

Howard Stern said we should bomb Canada and make it a 51st State. What's your point?

nikcers
05-27-2016, 04:29 PM
I asked you specifically what War crimes did he actually do in the past and you still can't answer.

So you admit that you asked me a question that has nothing to do with the argument? What Candy bars does he eat? Why does that matter. What matters is his rhetoric about what he plans on doing in the middle east when he gets elected. I am not making a mountain out of a mole hill you are not arguing against my argument at all you just keep asking unrelated questions.

nikcers
05-27-2016, 04:30 PM
Howard Stern said we should bomb Canada and make it a 51st State. What's your point?

Well we aren't telling you to vote for Howard Stern, Trump isn't Howard Stern, he is Cheney 2.0

nikcers
05-27-2016, 04:33 PM
Rand Paul said that Donald Trump had a good foreign policy although he was hoping he was sincere. You see all you have is speculation and some career politicians desperately trying hold onto their careers.

Even then this isn't anything that Donald Trump actually did. I asked you specifically what War crimes did he actually do in the past and you still can't answer.

Rand Paul only endorsed the republican nominee after he started running for Senate re-election. Rand Paul has made his career going against Trumps foreign policy.

CPUd
05-27-2016, 04:35 PM
WTF is all this mess about Trump and war crimes? If you don't already know just how capable Trump is of committing war crimes, just look to his handlers. Here's just one of them:



Trump’s Top Campaign Adviser Made Millions From Arms Dealers, Warlords, Dictators and Oligarchs

Paul Manafort, who Trump brought on in March as his Republican Convention strategist and recently elevated to campaign chairman, has worked for notorious arms dealers, warlords, dictators and international tycoons who have left trails of unrest, mayhem and death or looted their country’s treasuries, according to a new report by the American Bridge 21st Century PAC, which is primarily funded by a who’s who of Democratic donors including George Soros.

“In 1981, the Trump Organization had employed Manafort’s lobbying firm Black, Manafort, and Stone—which included Trump accolyte Roger Stone—making it one of the firm’s very first clients,” said the PAC’s research summary. “There and on his own, Manafort was responsible for representing some of the world’s most unsavory clients on behalf of what the press called the ‘Torturers’ Lobby.’

The PAC gives more than a dozen examples from the past three decades of Manafort’s career as a lobbyist, influence peddler and deal-maker, starting with being an international arms dealer to pocketing millions from Eastern Bloc clients who sought to park their assets in the West.

What follows is American Bridge’s research summary:

• Manafort represented Middle Eastern arms dealer Abdul Rahman El-Assir in the 1990s and even used his house as collateral in 2004 to secure a loan from El-Assir. Manafort claimed to French investigators that he received payment for advising the 1995 French presidential campaign of hopeful Ιdouard Balladur from the bank account of El-Assir. El-Assir was the middleman in the sale of French submarines to Pakistan.

• Manafort also claimed that his translator while advising Balladur was Ziad Takieddine, who was also involved in the arms deal. As of 2013, Takieddine was in prison for trying to procure a false passport. To the knowledge of American Bridge, the nature of Manafort’s translator has not been reported in the American press.

• Manafort’s firm represented Angolan guerilla leader Jonas Savimbi, making over $600,000 in 1985 alone. Savimbi and his UNITA army engaged in a decades-long civil war that terrorized and murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, with UNITA engaging in bodily mutilations, sexual slavery, child kidnapping, and witch burning. Sambivi funded his role in the gruesome civil war with proceeds of smuggled diamonds, aid from apartheid South Africa, and aid from the United States.

• Zaire dictator Mobutu Sese Seko retained Manafort’s firm in 1989 for $1 million annually to help address his PR issues: at the time, he was one of Africa’s most corrupt leaders, he had one of the worst human rights records, and his regime regularly engaged in torture, detainment, and rape.

• Manafort’s firm was hired to lobby on behalf of Nigeria and Nigerian dictator Sani Abacha in 1998. Manafort signed the contract himself and personally handled the account of President Abacha. His role was to present Nigeria as an emerging progressive democracy to American influencers in order to improve bilateral affairs between the countries, but just the year before, the U.S. State Department had outlined how the Abacha regime had engaged in persistent torture and abuse of detainees.

• Manafort’s firm represented the Kenyan government from 1990 to 1993, a period during which it received $38.3 million in U.S. aid. Throughout the 1980s and 1990s, Kenya’s dictatorial president Daniel arap Moi had silenced political opponents who supported a multi-party democracy with sham trials, torture, and indefinite detention. He also forcibly relocated thousands of people from an ethnic minority. The U.S. government briefly froze military aid in response to human rights abuses in 1990, but ultimately restored that aid by 1991, leading a State Department official to admit that “we compromised our human rights policy in Kenya somewhat.”

• Manafort had lobbied on behalf of Saudi Arabia, ultimately receiving what would in 2016 be worth $1.5 million. One of Saudi’s legislative priorities on which Manafort personally lobbied was to keep the U.S. Embassy in Israel from moving to Jerusalem to Tel Aviv. Today, Trump has announced his belief that the embassy should in fact be located in Jerusalem.

• Paul Manafort’s lobbying firm had a $900,000 contract on behalf of Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos to sell a more democratic image to Americans and ultimately help Philippine elites better influence American foreign policy. Manafort dropped the contract on the advice of the Reagan Administration just two hours before it announced it was pulling its support for the Marcos regime.

• By 1992, Manafort’s firm was making $450,000 per year from now-deposed Somalian dictator Said Barre, whose official ideology of “scientific socialism” was responsible for numerous human rights abuses and had left the country on the edge of mass starvation by the time of his ouster.

• Manafort’s firm represented Argentinian politician Alberto Pierri in 1997. In 1993, a number of journalists were beaten or received threats within days of publishing articles alleging that Pierri had recruited armed groups from gang members to act as “political thugs.” Pierri also called a journalist who wrote an article criticizing his role in drug money laundering in Argentina a “lousy Jew” and a “Jewish flea-bag” in 1994.

• Under Argentinian President Menem, Spain’s Gas Natural Co. was granted one of eight distribution zones when it broke apart the Gas del Estado. Pierri was a close ally of and powerful figure in the Menem government. In 1993, Spanish newspaper El Mundo accused Pierri of trying to extort executives at Gas Natural Co.’s Argentinean branch. An official at Gas Natural confirmed that there had been “some problems” with Pierri.

• In 2006, Manafort’s firm took on Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska as a client. Manafort helped arrange meetings between Deripaska and John McCain as McCain started his presidential run in August 2006 despite the fact that the U.S. had revoked Deripaska’s visa in July 2006 amid concerns he was linked to organized crime.

• In 2007, Manafort’s firm set up a private equity partnership with Deripaska in the Cayman Islands, which was supposed to include $19 million of investments. The firm received $7.5 million in management fees for the partnership, but Deripsaka sued the firm in 2008 for failing to invest, return, or even account for the $19 million. While Deripsaka failed to retrieve his investment, he had reported that Manafort and his partners had purchased a stake in Ukrainian cable television and Internet ventures with it.

• In 2008, Manafort tried to develop a 65-story Manhattan luxury apartment building with funding from Dimitry Firtash, Ukrainian energy tycoon with a mixed and troubled international legal history. Former Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko sued Manafort in 2011 for helping Firtash hide his ill-gotten millions in offshore real estate investments.


http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/trumps-top-campaign-adviser-made-millions-arms-dealers-warlords-dictators-and

dude58677
05-27-2016, 04:36 PM
Well we aren't telling you to vote for Howard Stern, Trump isn't Howard Stern, he is Cheney 2.0

So are you going to compare this to Howard Stern or Dick Cheney? I'd compare him more to Howard Stern.

http://kurivaim1.blogspot.com/2016/02/funny-as-hell-donald-trump-Compilation.html?m=1

nikcers
05-27-2016, 04:58 PM
So are you going to compare this to Howard Stern or Dick Cheney? I'd compare him more to Howard Stern.

http://kurivaim1.blogspot.com/2016/02/funny-as-hell-donald-trump-Compilation.html?m=1

Cheney or Rand Paul?


When I’m president, I will adopt a strategy that focuses on three things when it comes to Iran.

Philmanoman
05-27-2016, 05:00 PM
"There wasn't one part of his pitch that was actually true," Schneiderman told CNN.

"There wasn't one part of his pitch that was actually true," Schneiderman told CNN.

"There wasn't one part of his pitch that was actually true," Schneiderman told CNN.

"There wasn't one part of his pitch that was actually true," Schneiderman told CNN.

"There wasn't one part of his pitch that was actually true," Schneiderman told CNN.

Funny how it stares trumpers right in the face and they still dont get it...
Dont whine to anyone when he turns out to be a liar.


Ill be voting for no one and Ill feel pretty damn good about it.

dude58677
05-27-2016, 05:00 PM
WTF is all this mess about Trump and war crimes? If you don't already know just how capable Trump is of committing war crimes, just look to his handlers. Here's just one of them:


http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/trumps-top-campaign-adviser-made-millions-arms-dealers-warlords-dictators-and

Guilt by Association is a logical fallacy. Just because I walk through a gravesite doesn't mean I'm dead. Just because I visit a prison doesn't mean I'm a criminal.

dude58677
05-27-2016, 05:00 PM
Cheney or Rand Paul?

Donald Trump compares more to Howard Stern and Hillary Clinton compares more to Dick Cheney.

Danke
05-27-2016, 05:01 PM
Howard Stern said we should bomb Canada and make it a 51st State. What's your point?

Do we have to bomb them to do that?

francisco
05-27-2016, 05:07 PM
Donald Trump compares more to Howard Stern and Hillary Clinton compares more to Dick Cheney.

Naw, Howard Stern has way more gravitas than Trump

dude58677
05-27-2016, 05:15 PM
Naw, Howard Stern has way more gravitas than Trump

They both make funny soundboards or stand-up comedians.

phill4paul
05-27-2016, 05:18 PM
dude58677 has his head so far up his ass his flatulence comes in like a Boise set on "11." I don't know why anyone even bothers.

torchbearer
05-27-2016, 05:31 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/full-list-donald-trump-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801

A Full List of Donald Trump's Rapidly Changing Policy Positions



While most presidential candidates craft detailed platforms and spend years trying to sell them to voters, GOP front-runner Donald Trump sometimes takes up two or three contradictory policy positions in the same week — or even the same interview.
(http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2016_13/1478271/160330-donald-trump-flip-flop-yh-1251p_b8a98cdbbf8003d06d7ae08801764359.nbcnews-ux-2880-1000.jpg)Repu presidential candidate, Donald Trump participates in a CNN town hall with Anderson Cooper in the historic Riverside Theatre, Tuesday, March 29, 2016, in Milwaukee. Charles Rex Arbogast / AP
It's difficult to glean a platform from Trump's powerfully incoherent (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/22/donald-trump-and-the-power-of-incoherence/) rhetoric while navigating the quicksand-like task of separating fact from Trump's many exaggerations (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/trump-fact-check-errors-exaggerations-falsehoods-213730#ixzz44D68q2bf%20) and outright falsehoods (http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/) in thousands of interviews. It's perhaps harder still to get the GOP front-runner to address policy questions directly. The candidate often declines to offer specifics, arguing that unpredictability is an advantage he'll use to cut better deals, just as his critics say this is a sign he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Trump's shifting stances aren't just challenging for reporters (https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew/status/712346053354381312) tasked with covering him— they're also a source of consternation for his party, as more than a few of his stated policies directly contradict the GOP platform (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/gop-activists-work-prevent-fight-trump-over-party-platform).
"You have to have a certain degree of flexibility," the Republican front-runner said in a March debate when confronted on his evolving policy plank, taking a stance on immigration he'd reverse hours later. "You can't say, it's OK, and then you find out it's not OK and you don't want to do anything. You have to be flexible, because you learn."
To understand and track Trump's views, we've compiled a list of his past and present positions on issues since the billionaire real estate mogul announced his candidacy, along with any explanation the candidate has offered on the change


ABORTION
1. Criminalize women who have abortions.
Though Trump said in 1999 that he was "very pro-choice," Trump has consistently claimed that he's against abortion, except for in cases of rape, incest, or to save the mother's life, since starting his bid last June.
But during an exclusive interview with MSNBC's Chris Matthews just after 1 p.m., Trump struggled to define his views on abortion aside from describing himself as "pro-life." When continually pressed for how he'd handle women who violated a theoretical ban on abortion, Trump said the "answer is that there has to be some form of punishment, yeah."
2. Let the states decide what to do about criminalizing abortion.
At 3:36, Trump put out a statement saying the issue is "unclear and should be put back into the states for determination."
3. Never mind. Don't punish the women.
He fully walked back his position that women should be punished for violating a theoretical abortion ban 80 minutes later, releasing a statement saying "the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb."
Current position: Ban abortions. But women won't be criminalized.
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DEFEATING ISIS

1. Maybe send troops in. Definitely go after the oil fields.
In Trump's first interview after announcing his bid, he signaled that he'd both send in ground troops to Iraq and not send in ground troops.
"You bomb the hell out of them, and then you encircle it, and then you go in," he told Bill O'Reilly, who remarked that the plan necessitated ground forces. "I disagree, I say that you can defeat ISIS by taking their wealth — their wealth is the oil."
2. Bomb the oil fields. Send some troops in.
On CNN, Trump said, "I would bomb the hell out of those oil fields. I wouldn't send many troops because you won't need them by the time I'm finished."
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3. Send troops to defeat ISIS. Don't forget about the oil fields.
In a single August interview on NBC's "Meet the Press," (http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-transcript-august-16-2015-n412636) he offered three solutions for what to do with the oil field profits: keep them, give them to veterans and their families, or, when pressed, perhaps give some to the Iraqi people.
Months later, in a March debate, Trump ballparked the number of troops (http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/trump-iraq-syria-220608#ixzz42utL0IsD%20) he would need to send in to defeat ISIS.
"We really have no choice, we have to knock out ISIS," Trump said. "I would listen to the generals, but I'm hearing numbers of 20,000-30,000."
4. Destroy the oil. Let our regional allies send ground troops. If they don't, stop buying their oil.
In a foreign-policy focused interview with the New York Times published March 26 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/us/politics/donald-trump-transcript.html), Trump said that the U.S. should "take" ISIS' oil, but then said the U.S. should "knock the hell out of the oil and do it because it's a primary source of money for ISIS." Trump also ruled out sending in U.S. troops, saying that other countries in the region — "regional Arab partners" such as Saudi Arabia — should provide the ground troops. If these countries did not, the United States would stop buying their oil and withhold "protection" in the region.
Current position: To defeat ISIS, Trump would destroy the oil fields controlled by the militant group. U.S. allies in the region must commit ground troops to defeat ISIS.
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VIOLATING U.S. AND INTERNATIONAL LAWS WITH REGARD TO TORTURE, TERRORISM

1. The military will obey potentially illegal orders.
In December, Trump started demanding that the US target the families of ISIS members in addition to "bombing the sh*t" out of the terrorist organization. He went further in February, advocating for torture as a method of interrogation.
"I would bring back waterboarding, and I'd bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding," Trump declared in the February debate just ahead of the New Hampshire primary. Calls for bringing torture back became a regular applause line at rallies, despite the likelihood that both of these ideas would require the American military to obey orders that violate international laws and federal anti-torture statutes.
Pressed at a debate on March 3 over whether the American military would obey his order to violate international laws and the Geneva Convention to do such things, Trump insisted they'd listen to him, despite condemnation from military leaders and conservatives.
"Frankly, when I say they'll do as I tell them, they'll do as I tell them," he said.
2. The military shouldn't break the law, after all.
He then reversed this position the very next day, on March 4, in a statement to the Wall Street Journal, (http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-reverses-his-stance-on-torture-1457116559)saying he "will not order military or other officials to violate those laws and will seek their advice on such matters."
3. The laws forbidding torture should be changed so no one has to break them.
Not long after terrorist attacks in Brussels killed at least 28 people and injured dozens more on March 22, Trump called in to CNN to expand on his call to legalize waterboarding.
"Look, I think we have to change our law on the waterboarding thing, where they can chop off heads and drown people in cages, in heavy steel cages and we can't water board," Trump told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "We have to change our laws and we have to be able to fight at least on almost equal basis."
When Blitzer reminded Trump that military leaders don't support torture and that it violates international agreements that the United States has signed, Trump called opposition to torture a "political decision."
"I would say that the eggheads that came up with this international law should turn on their television and watch CNN right now, because I'm looking at scenes on CNN right now as I'm speaking to you that are absolutely atrocious," Trump said. "And I would be willing to bet, when I am seeing all of the bodies laying all over the floor, including young, beautiful children laying dead on the floor, I would say if they watched that, maybe, just maybe they'll approve of waterboarding and other things."
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IMMIGRATION

1. Build a wall, deport all undocumented immigrants.
At the core of Donald Trump's campaign is a promise to build a wall across the United States' southern border (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform) and deport the country's 11 million undocumented immigrants with the help of a "deportation force."
2. Deport all undocumented immigrants but bring the 'good' ones back legally. Dreamers can maybe stay.
In a CNN interview in July (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/politics/donald-trump-immigration-plan-healthcare-flip-flop/index.html), Trump said, "I want to move them out, and we're going to move them back in and let them be legal, but they have to be in here legally."
Trump wavered on what to do with the Dreamers - young undocumented immigrants who were brought to this country by their parents as children and are now afforded limited protection from deportation but no path to citizenship. When asked if Dreamers would have to go back, he said, "It depends."
3. Dreamers cannot stay.
In August, that ambiguity was gone: "They have to go," he said on "Meet the Press."
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4. Trump might be flexible on actually deporting 11 million undocumented immigrants.
BuzzFeed reports (http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/trump-tape#.yijv28pE0X) that in off-the-record talks with the New York Times, Trump admitted this was just bluster and a starting point for negotiations, saying he might not deport the undocumented immigrants as he's promised. Trump has refused calls to release the transcript, despite furious requests from his rival candidates.
Current position: As far as the public knows, Trump still wants to deport millions, including the Dreamers.
VISAS FOR HIGH-SKILLED WORKERS

1. H-1B visas are bad for American workers.
Trump's immigration plan was published on his website in July: it opposed the H-1B program, which allows non-immigrant visas for specialty occupations, arguing then that it was bad for American workers.
2. H-1B visas are good.
At the CNBC debate in October, Trump denied that he'd been critical about the program. "I am all in favor of keeping these talented people here so they can go to work in Silicon Valley," he said.
3. H-1B visas are still bad, according to Trump's unchanged website.
At the Fox News debate on March 3, some five months later, Fox News host Megyn Kelly pressed Trump on which of these conflicting views he supports.
4. H-1B visas are necessary: 'I'm changing.'
"I'm changing. I'm changing. We need highly skilled people in this country. If we can't do it, we will get them in. And we do need in Silicon Valley, we absolutely have to have. So we do need highly skilled," he said.
5. H-1B visas are definitely bad.
His campaign later released a statement reversing this shortly after the March 3 debate ended.
"Megyn Kelly asked about highly skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: These are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay," Trump wrote in a statement. "I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions."
He reaffirmed this position in the GOP debate on March 10 (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/10/donald-trump-vows-to-end-h1-b-visa-program-in-wash/), one week later, vowing to end the program that he noted he uses himself as a businessman.
Current position: Back where he started — against the H-1B visa program.
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BORDER CONTROL AND THE REFUGEE CRISIS

1. The US has a 'humanitarian' obligation to take in some Syrian refugees.
Trump initially said the country should absorb Syrian refugees.
"I hate the concept of it, but on a humanitarian basis, you have to," Trump told Bill O'Reilly on Fox News on a Tuesday night in September. "But you know, it's living in hell in Syria. There's no question about it. They're living in hell, and something has to be done."
2. The US cannot and should not accept Syrian refugees.
The next day, Trump said the country couldn't welcome refugees fleeing the Syrian civil war.
"Look, from a humanitarian standpoint, I'd love to help. But we have our own problems," he said on Fox.
During the March debate, Trump defended his changing view.
"First time the question had been put to me, it was very early on. The migration had just started. And I had heard that the number was a very, very small number. By the second day, two or three days later, I heard the number was going to be thousands and thousands of people. You know, when they originally heard about it, they were talking about bringing very, very small numbers in, and I said, begrudgingly, well, I guess maybe that's OK," Trump said. "By the time I went back and studied it, and they were talking about bringing thousands and thousands, I changed my tune. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that."
3. Close the border.
"I'd close up our borders to people until we figure out what is going on," Trump said on Fox News the morning of the Brussels attacks claimed by ISIS that killed at least 28 and injured more than 270.
4. Don't close the border, just be careful.
"I didn't say shut it down — I said you have to be very careful, you have to be careful on who's coming into our country," he said the same day as the Fox News interview on CBSN, reiterating that people from Syria without papers shouldn't be allowed in.
Current position: Against closing the borders entirely. Against accepting Syrian refugees in the United States.
PROPOSED MUSLIM BAN

1. No Muslims should be allowed to enter the United States —as immigrants or visitors.
Donald Trump called for "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States" in a statement about "preventing Muslim immigration" in December.
2. Ban Muslims from entering but make an exception for his friends and Muslims serving in the US military.
He later amended his stance in an interview with Fox News, saying the 5,000 Muslims serving the United States military would be exempt from the ban and allowed to return home from overseas deployments. He also suggested that current Muslim residents — like his "many Muslim friends" — would be exempt, too, and able to come and go freely.
Current position: Ban Muslims from entering the country — except service members, his friends and those already here.
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KU KLUX KLAN AND DAVID DUKE

1. 'I disavow, OK?'
After former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard and white nationalist David Duke began encouraging his followers to vote for the Republican front-runner, including making a plea on his radio show on February 25, Trump initially disavowed Duke's support in a press conference on February 26.
"I didn't even know he endorsed me. David Duke endorsed me? OK, all right. I disavow, OK?" Trump said.
2. 'I don't know anything about David Duke. OK?'
After disavowing David Duke on a Friday, Trump was asked about the Ku Klux Klan and Duke by CNN's Jake Tapper on Sunday. Trump claimed to know nothing of Duke or the KKK.
"I don't know anything about David Duke. OK? I don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So I don't know. I don't know, did he endorse me or what's going on, because, you know, I know nothing about David Duke. I know nothing about white supremacists. And so you're asking me a question that I'm supposed to be talking about people that I know nothing about," Trump said, refusing three times to unequivocally condemn the support of white supremacists until he knew more about them.
3. 'I disavow, OK?' — part two.
After that cagey song and dance-like interview sparked outrage on Sunday, Trump took to Twitter to clarify, tweeting a video of his Friday press conference in which he did disavow Duke.


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That Monday on NBC's "Today," Trump blamed his refusal to condemn Duke and the KKK on a lousy earpiece but continued to hedge against disavowing the support of "groups" he doesn't know anything about, despite Savannah Guthrie's reminder that in the interview in question, Trump had been only been asked about the KKK and Duke.
Current position: Trump has disavowed Duke, despite a lengthy back-and-forth about whether he knows about him or not.
THE IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL

1. Keep the current deal with Iran, police it.
Trump was one of the few Republicans who didn't immediately promise to rip up the Iranian nuclear deal. The author of "The Art of the Deal" told his supporters that while it was the worst deal ever, they'd probably have to live with it.
"It's very hard to say, "We're ripping it up.' (http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/donald-trump-very-hard-say-were-ripping-iran-deal-n410641) And the problem is by the time I got in there, they will have already received the $150 billion," Trump said, referring to a high estimate of how many of Iran's assets will be unfrozen as part of the deal (the White House says after Iran's debts are paid, it's closer to $56 billion).
"But I will police that deal," he said, touting his handling of business contracts. "I would police that contract so tough that they don't have a chance. As bad as the contract is, I will be so tough on that contract."
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2. Renegotiate the nuclear deal with Iran.
In September, he went further.
"When I am elected president, I will renegotiate with Iran — right after I enable the immediate release of our American prisoners and ask Congress to impose new sanctions that stop Iran from having the ability to sponsor terrorism around the world," he wrote in an op-od for USA Today.
Current position: Renegotiate the deal.
HEALTH CARE

1. Repeal Obamacare. Look to Canada for inspiration.
In August, Trump was asked repeatedly if he still supported the single-payer health care he'd touted in the past. He said America should have a private system but repeatedly praised Canada and Scotland's socialized system.
"As far as single-payer, it works in Canada. It works incredibly well in Scotland. It could have worked in a different age, which is the age you're talking about here," Trump said. "What I'd like to see is a private system without the artificial lines around every state … Get rid of the artificial lines, and you will have yourself great plans. And then we have to take care of the people that can't take care of themselves. And I will do that through a different system."


2. Repeal Obamacare. Cover everybody.
"I am going to take care of everybody," Trump told CBS in September. "I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now."
3. Repeal Obamacare, but 'I like the mandate'
During a CNN town hall on February 18, Trump started to answer a question about how he'd replace the Affordable Care Act with health savings accounts, "which are great," but interrupted himself to talk at length about how he's "a self-funder." When pressed by interviewer Anderson Cooper about what would happen when Obamacare is repealed and the mandate disappeared, therefore allowing insurance companies to deny coverage to those with pre-existing conditions, Trump said:
"Well, I like the mandate. OK. So here's where I'm a little bit different. I don't want people dying on the streets and I say this all the time."
4. Repeal Obamacare. Replace it with something.
Trump was mocked in the February 25 debate (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-10th-gop-debate-marco-rubio-steps-up-to-the-plate-against-donald-trump-analysis/)for being vague about how he would replace Obamacare.
"You'll have many different plans. You'll have competition, you'll have so many different plans," he said at the debate, earning derision from Sen. Marco Rubio.
5. Repeal Obamacare. Not everyone will be covered.
His health care plan, finally released online in March, has far more in common with the kind of boilerplate health care proposals the rest of the Republican party touts than his earlier praise for Canada suggested it might.
It would likely cause 21 million people to lose their health insurance and cost about $270 billion over 10 years, according to the nonpartisan budget advocacy group Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (CRFB).
It offers up unspecified amounts of grants to states to replace Medicaid, but it's not clear how or what those would look like, or how they would cover the millions of people that Trump's plan lets fall through the cracks. CRFB noted that block grants "could generate a wide range of savings" to the federal budget, but without details on them, it is "impossible to score any savings" from his plan.

Current position: Repeal Obamacare. Replace it with something.

r3volution 3.0
05-27-2016, 05:34 PM
You support her that is why. Where is the evidence that Donald Trump is a war criminal?


Besides John McCain has a voting record in Congress supporting war. Where is Donald Trump's? Where is Howard Sterns?


Donald Trump said alot of things. People say alot of things about Donald Trump but what War Crime was Donald Trump part of? What War did he vote for in Congress?

Trump publicly supported the Iraq and Libya Wars.

He publicly praised and donated money to the politicians who carried out those wars.

...but he's not responsible for those wars in any way because he wasn't in office at the time and so couldn't act on his views?

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LOL what war crime was Mitt Romney part of? What war did he vote for in Congress? Therefor we should have elected Romney?????? I guess we should support every neocon who runs for office the first time?:rolleyes:Mitt Romney was a governor seeking to become President and he was governor so he would become President. Donald Trump was just a reality TV star and never held office.

On top of this Mitt Romney hates Donald Trump so this conflicts with your notion of Neocon support for Donald Trump.

^^^Note how he didn't answer the question.

torchbearer
05-27-2016, 05:35 PM
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20 times Donald Trump has changed his mind since June


Donald Trump, the Republican presidential front*runner, has done alot of things no other GOP candidate this year would dare try: pick afight with Fox News. Bad*mouth prisoners of war. Wear Palm Beachcasual*wear to the Iowa State Fair. Tell small children he is Batman.But this might be the most daring: Trump seems to be making up hisown platform as he goes along.Looking back over his interviews and speeches, it appears that Trumpcame into the race with only a vague idea ** or perhaps no idea ** howhe wanted to handle some major, obvious, policy issues. So, whensomeone pointed out a new wrinkle that Trump hadn't thought of, hecame up with a new answer. And then another.On some issues, Trump's campaign has gone through more than halfa dozen plans in two months. And counting. For instance:Donald Trump’s plan to defeat the Islamic State.Version #1: Find a guy.“Within our military, I will find the General Patton or I will findGeneral MacArthur, I will find the right guy. I will find the guy that’sgoing to take that military, and make it really work. ” (June 16,presidential campaign kickoff speech)Version #2: [Secret plan]Bill O’Reilly, Fox News Channel: “Are you telling me you are going tosend American ground troops into Syria?”Trump: “I'm not telling you anything.” (June 16)Version #3: No longer secret. Send in American groundtroops.“I will tell you what my plan will be…. You have to go in. You have togo in.”O’Reilly: “With ground troops?”“Well, you bomb the hell out of them and then you encircle it, andthen you go in.” (June 16, shortly after Version #2).Version #4: Maybe don’t.O’Reilly: “There's no way you can defeat them without invading.”Trump: “I disagree.” (June 16, minutes after #3).Version #5: Definitely do send in ground troops. Have themseize ISIS oilfields.“We’re going to have so much money.” (Sunday, NBC's Meet thePress).Version #6: Send in ground troops. Seize oilfields. Sell theoil, and give the money to the families of the soldiers whodied protecting the oil.“What I would do with the money that we make, which would betremendous, I would take care of the soldiers that were killed, thefamilies of the soldiers that were killed, the soldiers, the woundedwarriors that are ** see, I love them….” (Sunday, NBC's Meet thePress).Version #7: Send in ground troops. Seize oilfields. Sell theoil. Give some of the money to the families of the soldierswho died protecting the oil.Chuck Todd, NBC: “Shouldn't [oil money] be given to the Iraqis?Trump: “Well, we can give them something.” (Sunday, seconds after#7)Now, Donald Trump’s plan for the 11 million undocumentedimmigrants living in the United States.Version #1: Figure it out later.“The first thing we have to do is strengthen our borders. And afterthat, we're going to have plenty of time to talk about it.” (July 23)Version #2: Figure it out now. Deport “the bad ones.” Workout something so the good ones can stay.“If somebody's been outstanding, we try and work something out.”(July 24)Version #3: Deport the bad ones. Maybe let some of thegood ones stay.“We're going to do what's right. Some are going to have to go. Andsome, we're just going to see what happens.” (July 26)Version #4: Deport everybody.“But the good ones ** of which there are many ** I want to expedite itso they can come back in legally.” (July 27)Version #5: Maybe don’t deport everybody.Dana Bash, CNN: “What about the ‘Dreamers?’ What about peoplewho came here when they were children, they didn't know what theywere doing, they came with their parents who brought them hereillegally?... Should they have to leave, too?Trump: “They're with their parents? It depends.” (July 29)Version #6: Deport everybody, the sequel.Chuck Todd, NBC: [talking about the “Dreamers”] “You're going tokick them out?”Trump: “They have to go.” (Sunday, on “Meet the Press.”)Then there's Donald Trump’s plan for tax reform.Version #1: Make taxes simpler.“Simplify it. At a minimum, simplify it.” (June 18)Version #2: Don't have a plan."You can't be just boom, boom, hard and fast." (August 11, in aninterview on CNN).Version #3: Maybe get rid of the income tax and have anational consumption tax, which proponents call a “FairTax.”“You can have a ‘Fair Tax…’ (August 11, just after #2).Version #4: Or maybe keep the income tax, but make it oneflat rate for everybody.“You can have a flat tax….” (August 11, just after #3).Version #5: Or maybe don’t change the current system atall. Except add new things. Which will be really good.“Or you can leave the system alone, which is probably the simplest atthis point. Leave the system alone and take out deductions and lowertaxes and do lots of really good things, leaving the system the way itis.” (August 11, just after #4)Version #6: [Secret plan]“I know exactly what I want to do, I just don't want to announce ityet.” (August 11, just after #2, #3, #4 and #5).Version #6a: [Definitely secret]Chris Cuomo, CNN: “If I was sitting across from you, making you apitch to do anything for you and I said,‘Look, I got a plan, but I'm notgoing to tell you yet.’ I think I'd get an eye roll and I'd get ushered outof the office.”Trump: “Oh, I'm going to say it. I'm just not prepared to tell you rightnow on your fantastic show that is getting better ratings all the timebecause you have Trump on so much.” (same interview)And Donald Trump’s plan for the nuclear deal with Iran.Version #1: Renegotiate it.“I guarantee you that if I were president, this deal wouldn't be made,a deal would be made that's 100 times better.” (August 11)Version #2: Maybe don’t renegotiate it.“It’s very tough to do, when you say,‘Rip up a deal.’ Because I’m adeal person…. I would police that contract so tough that they don'thave a chance.”Chuck Todd, NBC: “So the deal lives, in a Trump administration?”Trump: “It's very hard to say,‘We're ripping up.’” (Sunday, Meet thePress).Here's Donald Trump’s plan for “Obamacare.”Version #1: Get rid of it. Replace it with something "muchbetter."“Let it be for everybody. But much better, and much less expensivefor people and for the government. And we can do it." (June 16,presidential campaign announcement.)Version #2: Get rid of it. Replace it with something"terrific," which lets people buy insurance across statelines. And still gives poor people a way to get health care,when they can’t pay for it.“I want to take care of everybody. You know, you have a group ofpeople that aren't able to take care of themselves."Dana Bash, CNN: “How do you do that?” (July 29)Version #3: Work out “some kind of a deal” with hospitals."We're going to have work out some kind of deal with hospitals wherethey can get some help, when they are sick, when they have no moneyand they are sick...."Bash: “How do you do that, though?” (July 29, just after #2)Version #4: The deal will be very, very smart.Trump: “We are going to have to work out some kind of a very, verysmart deal with hospitals around the country.” (July 29, just after#3).The Daily Trail newsletterA daily briefing of what's happening on the campaign trail.Sign upAnd finally: Donald Trump’s plan for governing the UnitedStates.Version #1: Be flexible.“We’ve had no leadership in the country…. For doing that, you needcompromise. You need back*and*forth. And it’s not about a plan. It’sabout flexibility. You need flexibility.” (Aug. 14)David A. Fahrenthold covers Congress for the Washington Post. He has been at the Post si

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05-27-2016, 05:35 PM
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A Full List of Donald Trump's Rapidly Changing Policy Positions

It really doesn't matter because he might build a wall. There's a possibility. So, maybe.

torchbearer
05-27-2016, 05:36 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/30/politics/donald-trump-abortion-positions/

Donald Trump's 3 positions on abortion in 3 hours

Donald Trump sought to clarify, walk back, then seemingly reverse (http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/30/politics/donald-trump-abortion-town-hall/index.html) his position on punishing women who seek abortion procedures -- should they be legally banned -- over the course of a few hours Wednesday.Here's what he said about it in just one day:



'Some form of punishment'
The GOP presidential front-runner's mad scramble began a little after he told MSNBC's Chris Matthews that abortion, if outlawed, should carry "some form of punishment."
When Matthews asked if that penalty should apply specifically to the woman, Trump replied: "Yes."
But he didn't elaborate on its nature except to say that men should not be held responsible.
READ: Trump struggles to clarify abortion remarks (http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/30/politics/donald-trump-abortion-town-hall/index.html)
The backlash (http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/30/politics/donald-trump-abortion-town-hall/index.html) was fast, angry and bipartisan.
Dawn Laguens from the Planned Parenthood Action Fund called Trump "flat-out dangerous," while Bernie Sanders ("Shameful") and Hillary Clinton ("Horrific and telling") tweeted their condemnations.
On the GOP side, John Kasich and Ted Cruz, who both favor strict anti-abortion laws, criticized Trump from the right, with the Texas senator accusing him of having damaged the cause, saying the billionaire "demonstrated that he hasn't seriously thought through the issues."
'This issue is unclear'
Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks sent in a statement from Trump to reporters: "This issue is unclear and should be put back into the states for determination. Like Ronald Reagan, I am pro-life with exceptions, which I have outlined numerous times."
Criticism, though, continued to come.
'The woman is a victim'
By a little before 5 p.m., Trump released another explanation -- marking an almost complete about-face.
"If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman," Trump said in a statement.

"The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb," Trump said. "My position has not changed -- like Ronald Reagan, I am pro-life with exceptions."

torchbearer
05-27-2016, 05:37 PM
I wonder what his positions will be next week?

torchbearer
05-27-2016, 05:38 PM
It really doesn't matter because he might build a wall. There's a possibility. So, maybe.


well, it was just a suggestion after all. It doesn't really matter what he intends to do. I'd like some more kool-aid please.

dude58677
05-27-2016, 05:40 PM
Trump publicly supported the Iraq and Libya Wars.

He publicly praised and donated money to the politicians who carried out those wars.

...but he's not responsible for those wars in any way because he wasn't in office at the time and so could not act on his views?

http://rummuser.com/wp-content/uploads/denial.jpg



^^^Note how he didn't answer the question.

Because he can't, without revealing the jaw-droppingly absurd nature of his position.

LMAO! All you have is "Yea I guess so". That's just stupid.

Danke
05-27-2016, 05:46 PM
dude58677 has his head so far up his ass his flatulence comes in like a Boise set on "11." I don't know why anyone even bothers.

I guess Bryan will give you an infraction. You are not even joking.

phill4paul
05-27-2016, 05:48 PM
LMAO! All you have is "Yea I guess so". That's just stupid.

No, you are. Keep showing us how much though. It's mildly amusing.

phill4paul
05-27-2016, 05:48 PM
I guess Bryan will give you an infraction. You are not even joking.

No, I'm not. Probably so. Don't even care.

dude58677
05-27-2016, 05:56 PM
[QUOTE=phill4paul;6225680]No, you are. Keep showing us how much though. It's mildly amusing.[/QUOTE

LMAO, that's the best you can do?

phill4paul
05-27-2016, 05:59 PM
[QUOTE=phill4paul;6225680]No, you are. Keep showing us how much though. It's mildly amusing.[/QUOTE

LMAO, that's the best you can do?

About all your worth.

Danke
05-27-2016, 05:59 PM
No, I'm not. Probably so. Don't even care.

Well. Infractions can lead to banning, but you don't care I guess. I joked about CPU being a troll, and she reported me and I got infraction with a warning

phill4paul
05-27-2016, 06:05 PM
Well. Infractions can lead to banning, but you don't care I guess. I joked about CPU being a troll, and she reported me and I got infraction with a warning

Shit happens. Been banned twice. Never received an infraction that I know of. Where the hell do you find them?

FindLiberty
05-27-2016, 06:09 PM
Delusional like using only mind-power to bend spoons.

Anti-Trump points may be perfectly valid, but these
pro or con comments here only illustrate frustration
AND THEY CAN'T CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF THE
2016 POTUS ELECTION BY MORE THAN A FEW
VOTES, EITHER WAY.

I'm sad to see the name calling going on...

dude58677
05-27-2016, 06:09 PM
[QUOTE=dude58677;6225687]

About all your worth.

LMAO! You have such a good argument(sarcasm).

CPUd
05-27-2016, 06:09 PM
Well. Infractions can lead to banning, but you don't care I guess. I joked about CPU being a troll, and she reported me and I got infraction with a warning

^^ don't let this one fool you, folks. He can be quite nasty when he thinks no one is looking.

dude58677
05-27-2016, 06:10 PM
Delusional like using only mind-power to bend spoons.

Anti-Trump points may be perfectly valid, but these
pro or con comments here only illustrate frustration
AND THEY CAN'T CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF THE
2016 POTUS ELECTION BY MORE THAN A FEW
VOTES, EITHER WAY.

sad

You mean pro Hillary arguments. I never read anything bad stated about Hillary. I even read posts here that say it would be hilarious if Hillary won the general. That is pro Hillary.

phill4paul
05-27-2016, 06:12 PM
[QUOTE=phill4paul;6225689]

LMAO! You have such a good argument(sarcasm).

You laughed your ass off twice and your head still hasn't popped out? Keep trying. There may just be some hope.

r3volution 3.0
05-27-2016, 06:18 PM
You mean pro Hillary arguments. I never read anything bad stated about Hillary.

Everyone here already despises socialist criminal Hillary, so threads attacking her would be pointless.

On the other hand, many here support socialist criminal Trump, and this requires rectifying.

torchbearer
05-27-2016, 06:19 PM
Delusional like using only mind-power to bend spoons.

Anti-Trump points may be perfectly valid, but these
pro or con comments here only illustrate frustration
AND THEY CAN'T CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF THE
2016 POTUS ELECTION BY MORE THAN A FEW
VOTES, EITHER WAY.

I'm sad to see the name calling going on...


politics- opinion with a gun.
there is nothing civil about government, and if you realize what government is- you no longer,just, politely disagree. as in, this isn't just hypothetical ideas were are talking about. we are talking about violence and how much of it we will have to suffer.

then the hypocrisy angle, people who claimed to be principled have given immense fealty to a person who has no principles.

and lastly, the river of denial is long and seems to be a lazy river filled with Boobus.

dude58677
05-27-2016, 06:20 PM
Everyone here already despises socialist criminal Hillary, so threads attacking her would be pointless.

On the other hand, many here support socialist criminal Trump, and this requires rectifying.

You said one time it would be hilarious if Hillary won the election. You are not fooling me.

r3volution 3.0
05-27-2016, 06:29 PM
You said one time it would be hilarious if Hillary won the election.

It would (will) be hilarious, as it would (will) run contrary to the delusional narrative the **********s are spinning.

That doesn't mean I think Hillary would be a better President than Trump.

I think she'd be about the same.


You are not fooling me.

No, that's Trump's job.

phill4paul
05-27-2016, 06:34 PM
Yea I know you are a child molester.

Did you suck your thumb and cry out "daddy" after reaming your last 10 yr. old boy. You support Trump. It's understandable you have "daddy" issues. Therapy might help.

dude58677
05-27-2016, 06:35 PM
It would (will) be hilarious, as it would (will) run contrary to the delusional narrative the **********s are spinning.

That doesn't mean I think Hillary would be a better President than Trump.

I think she'd be about the same.



No, that's Trump's job.

I think it would be hilarious if the Hillary narrative that liberals here are supporting would be squashed.

cajuncocoa
05-27-2016, 06:37 PM
You can't prove your case so don't take it out on me. Typical liberal which is calling names when someone disagrees.Did all of the Trump supporters get together and make a plan to call every one of us opposed to him a "liberal?"

dude58677
05-27-2016, 06:39 PM
Did you suck your thumb and cry out "daddy" after reaming your last 10 yr. old boy. You support Trump. It's understandable you have "daddy" issues. Therapy might help.

I am voting for Vermin Supreme or not voting and have said that before many times as stated in other posts but I know you are voting for Hillary. I'm just wondering why you are so pro Hillary.

dude58677
05-27-2016, 06:40 PM
Did all of the Trump supporters get together and make a plan to call every one of us opposed to him a "liberal?"

I didn't say I was voting for Donald Trump. I'm just not sure why there are so many pro Hillary posts here.

torchbearer
05-27-2016, 06:41 PM
Did all of the Trump supporters get together and make a plan to call every one of us opposed to him a "liberal?"


well, the only debate tactic I see from Trump worshipers are logical fallacies, like the example you provided. ad hominem would be #1.
the funniest bit, Trump worshipers call Trump's non-believers 'liberals', 'socialist', etc. while at the same time Worshiping a man who endorses progressive socialist policies.
Trumptanity is a dangerous religion.

torchbearer
05-27-2016, 06:43 PM
I would point out, that his supporters are in love with the character of Trump. a fictional narrative they have wrapped themselves in.. very similar to the freaks you saw in tears at Obama's rallies, chanting, 'yes, we can'.


same freak show, different season.

r3volution 3.0
05-27-2016, 06:48 PM
I think it would be hilarious if the Hillary narrative that liberals here are supporting would be squashed.

You are supporting a candidate who shares Hillary's ideology on virtually all important points.

inflation monetary policy
corporate bailouts
Keynesian stimulus spending
socialized medicine
...etc

The only liberals here are the Trump supporters.

dude58677
05-27-2016, 06:52 PM
You are supporting a candidate who shares Hillary's ideology on virtually all important points.

inflation monetary policy
corporate bailouts
Keynesian stimulus spending
socialized medicine
...etc

The only liberals here are the Trump supporters.

I NEVER said I will vote for Donald Trump.

dude58677
05-27-2016, 06:55 PM
I would point out, that his supporters are in love with the character of Trump. a fictional narrative they have wrapped themselves in.. very similar to the freaks you saw in tears at Obama's rallies, chanting, 'yes, we can'.


same freak show, different season.

Again I never said I support Donald Trump.

Bryan
05-27-2016, 06:55 PM
Stop the bickering and personal attacks; they are against the guidelines, no one cares about it and they just degrade the site. Focus on the issues, ideas and logic.

Please go read the guidelines and follow them.

Thank you.