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timosman
04-18-2016, 05:45 AM
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/04/17/russian-jet-does-a-barrel-roll-over-us-recon-plane-in-the-baltic/




Some smart-ass Russian pilot decided to channel Tom Cruise in Top Gun and perform a barrel roll over a U.S. reconnaissance plane in international waters. The incident was the second such provocation against the American military in the last few days. On Thursday, Russian jets buzzed the USS Donald Cook destroyer, flying 30 feet above its deck.

CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/16/politics/russian-jet-barrel-rolled-us-aircraft/):

The incident Thursday occurred when a Russian jet "performed erratic and aggressive maneuvers" as it flew within 50 feet of the U.S. aircraft's wing tip, Danny Hernandez, a spokesman for U.S. European Command, said in a response to a question from CNN.
The Russian Su-27 began the barrel roll from the left side of the U.S. RC-135 and went over the top of it to end on the right side of the aircraft, European Command said.

The RC-135 aircraft was "intercepted by a Russian SU-27 in an unsafe and unprofessional manner," Hernandez said, adding that the U.S. plane never entered Russian territory.

"The unsafe and unprofessional actions of a single pilot have the potential to unnecessarily escalate tensions between countries," said Hernandez, who added the United States is protesting with the Russian government.

But Russia's Defense Ministry said that reports on Thursday's incident were "not consistent with reality" and that the Russian aircraft's maneuvers had been "performed strictly in accordance with the international regulations on the use of airspace."

Ministry spokesman Gen. Igor Konashenkov said the Su-27 had been dispatched after Russian air defense facilities spotted an unknown target over the Baltic Sea, approaching the Russian border at high speed.

It identified the jet as an American reconnaissance aircraft, and after visual contact, the U.S. plane "changed its course to the opposite direction, away from the Russian border," he said.

No incidents were recorded over the encounter, he said.

FindLiberty
04-18-2016, 08:14 AM
That seemed like a friendly enough greeting towards guests flying the RC-135.

I wonder if the approach was detected prior to the visitor's evasive maneuver?
(that might explain the cranky tone of the written response contained in the OP)

Since these aircraft don't have turn signals, it might be a good idea to give it a little
wing wobble before changing lanes, especially if there's only about 15 meters of clearance
between them.

CPUd
04-18-2016, 08:17 AM
Was he inverted?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUZxSf_P2r0

brushfire
04-18-2016, 08:32 AM
Say hi to the birdie

Brian4Liberty
04-18-2016, 11:06 AM
This was pushed on nearly every media source yesterday. Hysteria from the war propagandists. So ridiculous when the talking heads are are "discussing" it with their typical expressions of concern and seriousness. "Oh my, that is terribly aggressive." "Yes, this is the most provocation from the Russians since the cold war." "This naked aggression from Putin must not stand."

Bring out Lindsey Graham, Bill Kristol and John McCain! Their panties are waded tight and soaked in Ben-Gay about now...

Zippyjuan
04-18-2016, 12:05 PM
Ministry spokesman Gen. Igor Konashenkov said the Su-27 had been dispatched after Russian air defense facilities spotted an unknown target over the Baltic Sea, approaching the Russian border at high speed.

Top speed for the RC- 135 is 933 kph- 580 mph (link with photo). A Boeing 767 cruising speed is (533 mph or 858 km/h)- pretty close to that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_767

An RC- 135 recon aircraft:

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/boeing-rc135/images/3-boeing.jpg
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/boeing-rc135/

SU- 27

https://www.milavia.net/aircraft/su-27/gallery/su-27_1.jpg

Brian4Liberty
04-18-2016, 01:24 PM
Top speed for the RC- 135 is 933 kph- 580 mph (link with photo). A Boeing 767 cruising speed is (533 mph or 858 km/h)- pretty close to that.

Nice trivia there. And what's your point?

JK/SEA
04-18-2016, 01:36 PM
we need to carpet bomb russia....make america great again.

Zippyjuan
04-18-2016, 05:13 PM
Nice trivia there. And what's your point?

That it probably was not "approaching Russian airspace at high speed".

juleswin
04-18-2016, 05:21 PM
Found this interesting thread on DU. I think zippy would like this.




OK, I buzzed a Russian Navy "trawler", several times, back in the late 60s. Big deal.

I was a pilot in the Alabama Air National Guard.
We were flying the RF-84/F, a reconnaissance/fighter aircraft.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7020/6434059723_3a0aa44bef_z.jpg

(The 'bomb-like' things under the belly are 450 gallon external fuel tanks. There were two.)

My squadron, out of Birmingham, Alabama, was part of a joint all-military branches combat exercise (war game) namd "Clove Hitch" in the late 60s staged out of Ramey AFB in Puerto Rico.

My squadron mate and I were scheduled for the 'dawn patrol' (06:00 departure) to take photos of some bridge or something, but our briefing officer told us that mission was scrubbed. Instead we were to 'harass' a Russian Navy 'trawler' (spy ship) just off the coast. We all knew they were monitoring our activities, radio transmissions, etc. It was the height of the cold war.

Woo Hoo! A license to buzz!


We were given the latest position of the trawler.
Dan and I flipped a coin and he flew lead, I flew wing.
We took off and climbed to 10,000' and hit the last known position of the Russkies.
Dan soon sighted them.

"I'll make the first pass across their deck. Count to 5 and come on in."
I was on Dan's right wing and he peeled left.
I counted to 5 and followed.
I saw the ship.
I saw Dan blast over the bow deck and pull up.
Just as I was approaching for my run, Dan said "PULL UP! WRONG SHIP!"
I pulled up and rolled inverted and looked down as I passed over and sure enough, it was a cruise ship.
Woops.


A few minutes later Dan found the Russian ship and we pressed on.
He made the first pass at deck level.
I made my first pass about 10' above the midships deck using color motion picture film in my forward film bay.
It was the first and only time I had ever been loaded with either color or motion picture fan.***

Dan's first pass still photos showed many sailors looking up.
My first movie film showed guys diving down and closing hatches.
We beat the ship up, low pass after low pass, for about an hour and then returned to Ramey.

At our farewell banquet at the Ramey Officers Club I was awarded the "Order of the Russian Trawler".
I have the certificate to prove it.


***I asked for a copy of the film. I was told:
1. It was not available.
2. Your security clearance doesn't go that high.
3. Finally "What film?"
OK, I think I made a movie for the CIA.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027758356

juleswin
04-18-2016, 05:22 PM
SU- 27

https://www.milavia.net/aircraft/su-27/gallery/su-27_1.jpg

Just for the record, I would make sweet sweet luv to that baby blue sukoi jet if it wasn't illegal. That plane is a beauty.

Danke
04-18-2016, 05:24 PM
That it probably was not "approaching Russian airspace at high speed".

What is the cutoff to be considered high speed, is a Tomahawk cruise missile not high speed?

oyarde
04-18-2016, 05:42 PM
What is the cutoff to be considered high speed, is a Tomahawk cruise missile not high speed?

Yes those are high speed , mostly since there is so much silver inside them .

AZJoe
04-18-2016, 08:37 PM
Does anyone think to question why the US was flying a RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft (aka SPY PLANE) along Russia's coast?
What was the objective?
Is it not aggressive to go flying spy planes along the borders of another country.

So the US is upset that's its aggressive act of sending spy planes off Russia's coast is met with a completely predictable and logical defensive response.
Were Russia and China flying spy planes along the US coast do you not think US would great them with jet escort - perhaps doing barrel rolls over them to shooo them away?

Brian4Liberty
04-18-2016, 08:51 PM
That it probably was not "approaching Russian airspace at high speed".

Damn lyen' Ruskiez! Let's have a war!

TheTexan
04-18-2016, 08:54 PM
we need to carpet bomb russia....make america great again.

It has been some time since the last world war. Russia does need the occasional reminder who's in charge.

r3volution 3.0
04-18-2016, 09:21 PM
American Jet Does a Barrel Roll Over Russian Recon Plane in the Chesapeake

https://memecrunch.com/meme/1KX3B/capisce/image.png?w=400&c=1


Just for the record, I would make sweet sweet luv to that baby blue sukoi jet if it wasn't illegal. That plane is a beauty.

Russian planes, like Russian women, are gorgeous but temperamental.

Use caution.

enhanced_deficit
04-18-2016, 10:37 PM
Our national leaders must do something to restore our standing in the world, things are getting bit out of hand lately.
Say what you must about last POTUS but these kind of news causing national insult were unheard of back then.

http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2014/11/03/putin-art/03-putin-art3.w529.h352.jpg

A woman looks at a cartoon displaying Russia's President Vladimir Putin and US President Barack Obama during the opening ceremony of political cartoons exhibition "No filters" in Moscow
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/torture-russia-and-conservative-dictator-envy.html

Zippyjuan
04-21-2016, 02:36 AM
Same thing happened in January: http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/29/politics/us-russia-planes-intercept/


A Russian fighter jet came within 15 feet of a U.S. Air Force reconnaissance plane over the Black Sea this week in what the Pentagon is calling an "unsafe" incident, U.S. officials say.

"On January 25, 2016, a U.S. RC-135U flying a routine route in international airspace over the Black Sea was intercepted by a Russian Su-27 in an unsafe and unprofessional manner. We are looking into this particular incident," said a statement from Army Lt. Col. Michelle L. Baldanza, a Defense Department spokesperson.
Another U.S. military official told CNN that the Russian jet flew along the right side the U.S. plane then turned away in a maneuver that had an adverse impact on the "controllability of the U.S. aircraft." The official did not know if the Russian aircraft was armed at the time. The official said the incident occurred more than 40 miles from the Russian coast.

The U.S. official said Russian intercepts happen routinely and the majority are conducted safely.

But Monday's encounter is similar to one between the same two types of U.S. and Russian aircraft in 2014.

In that incident, a Russian Su-27 flew within 100 feet of the nose of the U.S. Air Force RC-135U over the Sea of Okhotsk between Russia and Japan, a Defense Department official said.

At the time, the U.S. official called it "one of the most dangerous close passes in decades" and said the Russian jet "put the lives of the U.S. crew in jeopardy."
The Russian aircraft turned and "showed its belly" to the U.S. crew so they could see it was armed with missiles.

r3volution 3.0
04-21-2016, 03:09 AM
A Russian fighter jet came within 15 feet of a U.S. Air Force reconnaissance plane over the Black Sea this week

Yes, same thing Zippy.

A US ship was in the Russian equivalent of the Chesapeake.

Their reaction was predictable and defensive.

If the US government wants to fight a war of aggression against Russia, well okay, but let's be honest about who's the aggressor.

luctor-et-emergo
04-21-2016, 03:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CnsDibMs7b8

r3volution 3.0
04-21-2016, 03:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CnsDibMs7b8

Oh, look, the US "aggressively" intercepted Russian planes near its own airspace...

AZJoe
05-01-2016, 12:47 PM
Washington complains again that its spy plane flying the Russian border is "harassed".

Another Washington Spy plane flying along the Russian border is intercepted with flyby and barrel roll.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-30/dont-fly-near-our-borders-us-spy-plane-again-intercepted-russian-jet

Of note, Washington's spy plane had its transponder turned off, which identifies the plane.

Russian response to Washington's flying spy planes along its borders - "either not to fly near our borders or to turn the transponder on for identification."

Dang Russian aggression, placing its borders under Washington's spy planes. When will Russia stop forcing Washington to fly its spy planes along Russia's borders.

TheTexan
05-01-2016, 12:49 PM
Do a barrel roll!

timosman
05-01-2016, 12:55 PM
Do a barrel roll!

https://www.google.com/search?q=Do+a+barrel+roll

Danke
05-01-2016, 12:59 PM
https://www.google.com/search?q=Do+a+barrel+roll

That is not a barrel roll, that is an aileron roll.

timosman
05-01-2016, 01:07 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/politics/russians-barrel-roll-air-force-plane/


Fri April 29, 2016

Washington (CNN)A Russian SU-27 conducted a "barrel roll" Friday over the top of a U.S. Air Force RC-135 which was flying a reconnaissance mission in international airspace above the Baltic Sea, the Defense Department said.

The Russian SU-27 approached alongside within 25 feet of the U.S. aircraft and then flew inverted over the top of the plane to the other side, Lt. Col. Michelle L. Baldanza, a U.S. Army spokesperson, said in a statement.

"The SU-27 intercepted the U.S. aircraft flying a routine route at high rate of speed from the side then proceeded to perform an aggressive maneuver that posed a threat to the safety of the U.S. aircrew in the RC-135," Baldanza said.

The U.S. considers this a very unsafe aerial maneuver and is expected to voice its concerns to the Russians, a U.S. defense official told CNN.

This is the second barrel roll maneuver over a U.S. aircraft by the Russians this month. On April 14, a Russian jet "performed erratic and aggressive maneuvers" as it flew within 50 feet of a U.S. aircraft's wing tip, Danny Hernandez, a spokesman for U.S. European Command, said in a response to a question from CNN.

In that incident, an RC-135 aircraft also was intercepted by a Russian SU-27. The Russian SU-27 began the barrel roll from the left side of the U.S. RC-135 and went over the top of it to end on the right side of the aircraft, U.S. European Command said.
This also comes after two encounters earlier this month in the Baltic Sea between the Navy missile destroyer USS Donald Cook and two Russian jets. In one of those incidents, a Russian jet flew within 75 feet of the ship.

GunnyFreedom
05-01-2016, 01:08 PM
I am quite sure that this whole "ground troops in Syria" madness has nothing whatever to do with all of this. Blowback is just a figment of some deranged isolationist's imagination.

AngryCanadian
05-01-2016, 01:12 PM
But When Germany sends its tanks near the Russian borders thats ok?

AngryCanadian
05-01-2016, 01:13 PM
I am quite sure that this whole "ground troops in Syria" madness has nothing whatever to do with all of this. Blowback is just a figment of some deranged isolationist's imagination.

When will the interventionists, RINOS, Elites, NeoCons, War Mongers ever learn? or it would be to late till we something like this?

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/9/95/Memorial_m.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070529190424

Zippyjuan
05-01-2016, 01:16 PM
But When Germany sends its tanks near the Russian borders thats ok?

I had no idea that Germany was next to Russia.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Germany_Russia_Locator.svg/2000px-Germany_Russia_Locator.svg.png

AZJoe
05-01-2016, 07:27 PM
But When Germany sends its tanks near the Russian borders thats ok?


I had no idea that Germany was next to Russia.

What's with the knee-jerk ignorance Zippy? Take a look at a map again and see where the Baltic states are located, that place where Germany is sending troops and tanks. Oh that's right. It on Russia's border.

NATO Allies Preparing to Put Four Battalions at Eastern Border With Russia : http://www.wsj.com/articles/nato-allies-preparing-to-put-four-battalions-at-eastern-border-with-russia-1461943315
Western allies are preparing to put four battalions … in Poland and the Baltic countries … The U.S. is likely to provide two battalions, while Germany and Britain would likely provide a battalion each …

The participation of a sizable German force is particularly important … Chancellor Angela Merkel and her top officials have been making the case for more German engagement … German officials said Friday they were considering plans ahead of a NATO summit in Warsaw in July to lead a battalion to be based in Lithuania, but a final decision hadn’t been reached. “We are currently reviewing how we can continue or strengthen our engagement” on the alliance’s eastern periphery, Ms. Merkel said Friday. …

NATO Prepares Four Battalions for Russian Border : http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2016/april/29/nato-prepares-four-battalions-for-russian-border/
http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/nato-prepares-four-battalions-for-russian-border
NATO is preparing to deploy four battalions … to Russia's western border. . …. with one each coming from the UK and Germany.” …

The US deputy secretary of defense explained in Brussels that the US must send these thousands of troops thousands of miles from the US because Russia is conducting military exercises on its own soil and the US finds that intolerable. …

Here is Washington logic: Russian military exercises inside Russia are "extraordinarily provocative" but somehow stationing thousands of US troops on the border with Russia is not at all provocative. Just like US military exercises in the Baltic sea some 50 miles from Russian soil is not at all provocative, but Russian military plane fly-overs in response to these US military exercises is "reckless and provocative." And just like the US flying a spy plane over highly-secret Russian military facilities on the Kamchatka peninsula is not at all provocative, but when the spy plane is buzzed by another Russian fighter, US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter warns, "This is unprofessional. This is dangerous. This could lead somewhere."

It's never provocative when Washington's interventionists do it.

And this from a site Zippy can really appreciate ..
[B]German army assumes leadership of military buildup against Russia
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/04/30/nato-a30.html
German government plans to deploy troops to Lithuania. An entire NATO battalion could be stationed in the country under German command ... Similar initiatives by the NATO military alliance are planned in other Eastern European NATO member-states. …
Such plans would breach the NATO-Russia agreement of 1997, under which NATO excluded the stationing of “additional substantial combat forces permanently” in the former Warsaw Pact states. …

The offensive operation is to be approved at the upcoming NATO summit in Warsaw in July, according to the German Defence Ministry. …
The president of the German Federal Academy for Security Policy, Karl-Heinz Kamp, wrote in a working paper for the summit … Kamp recommended “a new nuclear strategic consensus” by the alliance. … It was necessary to abandon the idea of a nuclear-free world, according to Kamp, and instead invest in rapid response American nuclear bombs, as well as strengthening “exercise activities in the nuclear sector.” …

The German government’s plans are connected to such discussions and represent an enormous escalation of the confrontation with Russia, with incalculable consequences. …

Germany intends to provide more than half of the soldiers for the unit. Together with the planned stationing of troops in Eastern Europe, 10,000 soldiers will be prepared to intervene against Russia, including some 3,000 from Germany.

AngryCanadian
05-01-2016, 08:32 PM
I had no idea that Germany was next to Russia.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Germany_Russia_Locator.svg/2000px-Germany_Russia_Locator.svg.png

And look where America is. America should really focus the affairs on their home solo.

GunnyFreedom
05-01-2016, 08:41 PM
And look where America is. America should really focus the affairs on their home solo.

These people are invasion-mad. Bottle them all up inside CONUS for 8 years and the next guy might burst into Mexico and Canada just for the thrill of it. I don't put any limits on these people's madness anymore. Be careful what you ask for.

enhanced_deficit
05-03-2016, 12:10 AM
Our national leaders must do something to restore our standing in the world, things are getting bit out of hand lately.
Say what you must about last POTUS but these kind of news causing national insult were unheard of back then.

http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2014/11/03/putin-art/03-putin-art3.w529.h352.jpg

A woman looks at a cartoon displaying Russia's President Vladimir Putin and US President Barack Obama during the opening ceremony of political cartoons exhibition "No filters" in Moscow
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/torture-russia-and-conservative-dictator-envy.html


I stand corrected, last POTUS was not universally respected either and he also caused damage to image in the world. FF to 1:55 mark:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZjy5w9db2Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZjy5w9db2Y