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Brian4Liberty
04-17-2016, 12:22 PM
In defense of the GOP (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/political-reforms-that-have-helped-to-cripple-the-gop/2016/04/14/7bba2c08-0265-11e6-9d36-33d198ea26c5_story.html)
By Fareed Zakaria - April 14


Having recently discovered how the nomination process works in the Republican Party, Donald Trump is furious. “They wanted to keep people out,” he bellowed. “This is a dirty trick.” In fact, Mr. Trump is right on the first count and wrong on the second. Political parties do have mechanisms to “keep people out.” But far from being a trick, they are the crux of what makes parties valuable in a democracy.

Clinton Rossiter begins his classic book “Parties and Politics in America” with this declaration: “No America without democracy, no democracy without politics, no politics without parties.” In a large and diverse country, to get things done, people need devices to navigate the political system, organize themselves, channel particular interests and ideologies, and negotiate with others who have differing interests and views. Political parties have traditionally played this role in the United States. And they have often played it as a counterweight to the momentary passions of the public.

At the heart of the American political party is the selection of its presidential candidate. This process used to be controlled by party elites — mayors, governors, legislators. In the early 20th century, an additional mechanism was added to test a candidate’s viability on the campaign trail: primaries. Still, between 1912 and 1968, the man who won a party’s presidential primaries became the nominee less than half the time. Dwight Eisenhower was chosen not by primary voters but in a complex, contested convention.

1968 was the year things changed. The radicalism that swept the Democratic Party also cast aside its rules for selecting nominees, favoring direct primaries over all else. The Republicans copied the Democrats, and soon the parties ended up with the system we have today. To choose their candidates for the November election, the parties simply hold prior elections. In this regard, the United States is almost unique among advanced democracies. Mostly everywhere else, political parties have not turned the nominating process into a plebiscite.
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What is the harm of this new open system? We can see it now. A party without internal strength and capacity cannot shape the political agenda. Instead, it simply reflects and amplifies the noisiest popular passions. The old system steered toward moderation because it was run mostly by local and state officials who had won general elections and then had to govern. Today, delegates are chosen by primary voters, a much smaller, narrower and more extreme slice of the country. It is ironic that the old smoke-filled rooms were in some sense more representative of the general voter than the open primaries of today.

The old parties drew their strength from neighborhood organizations, churches, unions and local business groups. The new parties are really just Rolodexes of Washington professionals — activists, ideologues, fundraisers and pollsters. These professionals are more extreme and less practical, and seek to turn large, diverse parties into ideological battleships. Rossiter’s declaration on democracy has a last phrase: “no parties without compromise and moderation.”

Primaries are not the only “democratizing” reforms that have crippled political parties in the United States. In Congress, party leaders used to be able to forge an agenda and get their members to vote for it. This hierarchical system began to break down after reforms of the Watergate era, which opened up the system, expanding the number of subcommittees and moving to internal party elections and open votes. The result has been chaos, dysfunction and paralysis. Reflecting on changes that his generation of politicians introduced, then-Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.) noted: “We created more problems than we solved. . . . Nothing turned out the way it was supposed to.”

The old system is almost dead. In the current Republican race, it is trying to revive itself to save the party from a dangerous demagogue. This is not an assault on democracy. The people will vote in November, and that vote will be dispositive. Meanwhile, we have an effort by one of the core institutions of American politics to shape the choices facing voters in the November election. Sometimes to strengthen democracy, you have to restrain it.
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More: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/political-reforms-that-have-helped-to-cripple-the-gop/2016/04/14/7bba2c08-0265-11e6-9d36-33d198ea26c5_story.html

Brian4Liberty
04-17-2016, 12:31 PM
The latest propaganda piece brought to you by the globalist/socialist/neoconservative/CFR cabal. So much packed into one article.

First, this quote. Who cares? Some random person spouting. Is this supposed to be a universal truth? Was it written into the Constitution? Is it long-standing law? No, just some nonsense trotted out as an authoritative guideline.


Clinton Rossiter begins his classic book “Parties and Politics in America” with this declaration: “No America without democracy, no democracy without politics, no politics without parties.”

Who is Clinton Rossiter? It looks like he has become a favorite for those who want to to give government more power during "emergencies". No wonder he is quoted by an establishment globalist.


In particular, following the events of 9/11, Rossiter's first book, the 1948 Constitutional Dictatorship: Crisis Government in the Modern Democracies (reissued in 1963 with a new preface), was reprinted for the first time in nearly forty years. In that germinal study, Rossiter argued that constitutional democracies had to learn the lesson of the Roman Republic to adopt and use emergency procedures that would empower governments to deal with crises beyond the ordinary capacities of democratic constitutional governance but to ensure that such crisis procedures were themselves subject to constitutional controls and codified temporal limits.

Brian4Liberty
04-17-2016, 12:36 PM
To choose their candidates for the November election, the parties simply hold prior elections. In this regard, the United States is almost unique among advanced democracies. Mostly everywhere else, political parties have not turned the nominating process into a plebiscite.

Some standard-fare propaganda from the globalists. Sure the US is a "democracy", but the US needs to learn how to be a proper democracy from other nations. We need to become more "advanced". :rolleyes:

Kotin
04-17-2016, 12:59 PM
What a load..

timosman
04-17-2016, 01:01 PM
706983997339881473

NewRightLibertarian
04-17-2016, 01:02 PM
We have to seize upon the Trump phenomenon to get as many people pissed off at this process as possible, and organize them to revolt against it.

Petar
04-17-2016, 01:43 PM
We have to seize upon the Trump phenomenon to get as many people pissed off at this process as possible, and organize them to revolt against it.

Won't that get in the way of just acting totally jaded and too-cool and helping the establishment sink Trump instead?

NewRightLibertarian
04-17-2016, 01:53 PM
Won't that get in the way of just acting totally jaded and too-cool and helping the establishment sink Trump instead?

If that's the path the liberty movement embarks upon, it will be the end of us for good and rightfully so.

Petar
04-17-2016, 02:09 PM
If that's the path the liberty movement embarks upon, it will be the end of us for good and rightfully so.

The liberty movement is just gonna have to evolve.

Trump may get sunk, but whether Cruz or some totally establishment douchebag ends up with the nomination, the GOP is still going to be suffering like we have never seen.

There's gonna be a massive, new wave of utter malcontents, and someone is going to take advantage of that.

It does not have to be Ron Paul supporters in order for it to still have a positive effect, and perhaps that is exactly who it won't be.

NewRightLibertarian
04-17-2016, 03:59 PM
The liberty movement is just gonna have to evolve.

Trump may get sunk, but whether Cruz or some totally establishment douchebag ends up with the nomination, the GOP is still going to be suffering like we have never seen.

There's gonna be a massive, new wave of utter malcontents, and someone is going to take advantage of that.

It does not have to be Ron Paul supporters in order for it to still have a positive effect, and perhaps that is exactly who it won't be.

You are correct. With the anti-establishment sentiment at a fever pitch, it seems like it should be easy for libertarians to tap into that. But knowing how strategically inept to the point of ridiculousness the average libertarian is, they will probably mess it up because they are butthurt over the Donald's success.

TheCount
04-17-2016, 04:01 PM
"Hey, you want to eat some of this shit cake with me?"

"No thanks."

"Are you sure? It's really popular shit cake! Better hurry up and eat some of this shit before it's all gone! Om nom nom nom"


Not really making it any more appealing.

timosman
04-17-2016, 04:07 PM
You are correct. With the anti-establishment sentiment at a fever pitch, it seems like it should be easy for libertarians to tap into that. But knowing how strategically inept to the point of ridiculousness the average libertarian is, they will probably mess it up because they are butthurt over the Donald's success.

An excellent analysis of the recently failed presidential campaign by an ophthalmologist from Kentucky.

Brian4Liberty
04-18-2016, 11:39 AM
Primaries are not the only “democratizing” reforms that have crippled political parties in the United States. In Congress, party leaders used to be able to forge an agenda and get their members to vote for it.

Oh horrors! The globalist crony corporatists can't set the agenda and have the Congress operate as a rubber-stamp, a fake charade of representative government.

And let's go ahead and call out the elephant in the room. Zakaria and his globalist buddies at CFR, especially the neoconservatives, are always calling for regime change and "democratization" around the world, often with the threat or use of violence. Yet when it comes to the US, they want less democracy and more back-room politics. They want an authoritarian oligarchy that dictates, with them at the controls.

They yearn for a Soviet Politburo.