Cruz staffer : Trump should drop out after NY "loss" ?

[Jan2017]

Ted Cruz Campaign Manager: If Donald Trump Can’t Win New York He Should Drop Out

“If he doesn’t get over 50 percent, he should probably consider dropping out, like everyone else has when they don’t win
their home state in a dramatic fashion,” Cruz campaign manager Jeff Roe said in an interview on ABC News
’“Powerhouse Politics” (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/powerhouse-politics/id1086758563?mt=2) podcast Thursday

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/04/08/ted-cruz-campaign-manager-donald-trump-cant-win-new-york-drop/

Problem for the Cruz-ers . . . about 300,000 more Texans voted for someone else other than him in his adopted state of Texas,
as he got under 50% - 1.2 million to 1.5 million Texans against Cruz.

[goldwater's ghost]

Texas was winner take all. New York is proportional if you are under 50. Trumps chances of getting the majority are over if he doesn't get over 50% statewide and in most districts. If he beats Cruz by 10 or 20 delegates its over for tiny hands

[LibertyEagle]

Cruz has NO chance of getting 1237 delegates, so I guess that means he should drop out.

[CPUd]

They're trying to get the press to raise the bar to 50%. If he doesn't get that, not only will it be devastating, the press will be talking about how devastating it will be.

[cajuncocoa]

Not a Trump supporter, but I wouldn't worry about this statement from the Cruz staffer. That's the kind of thing losers call for.

[goldwater's ghost]

Cruz has NO chance of getting 1237 delegates, so I guess that means he should drop out.

He might get to 1500 delegates on the second round if trump'z campaign keeps screwing up the ground game. Lol. I read he's in danger of having close to zero delegates in Washington state. What's funny is his campaign sent out emails to his supporters to try to become delegates but the trumpettes sent the emails to washington dc supporters. Lol. With clowns like that running the show,1500 in rd 2 is a pretty conservative number

[Jan2017]

He might get to 1500 delegates on the second round if trump'z campaign keeps screwing up the ground game. Lol. I read he's in danger of having close to zero delegates in Washington state. What's funny is his campaign sent out emails to his supporters to try to become delegates but the trumpettes sent the emails to washington dc supporters. Lol. With clowns like that running the show,1500 in rd 2 is a pretty conservative number

Cruz delegates would be lower on a second ballot - as well as Trump . . .

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[luctor-et-emergo]

Not a Trump supporter, but I wouldn't worry about this statement from the Cruz staffer. That's the kind of thing losers call for.

Yep.

If it's not going to be Trump, it's certainly not going to be Cruz. People will remember they don't like him.

[Ronin Truth]

Cruz should drop out before NY 'loss'.

[erowe1]

Problem for the Cruz-ers . . . about 300,000 more Texans voted for someone else other than him in his adopted state of Texas,
as he got under 50% - 1.2 million to 1.5 million Texans against Cruz.[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]

That's because Rubio was still in the race then and got 18%. Cruz is right that for Trump to win NY in a comparable dramatic fashion, with the field as it is now, he will have to get more than 50%.

[erowe1]

Cruz has NO chance of getting 1237 delegates, so I guess that means he should drop out.

He doesn't need to get 1237, he only needs to make sure Trump doesn't get that many.

[octojofo]

What is wrong with you people? SO much work was done to uncover the voter fraud right here in these forums back in 2012. The voting machine algorithms that were discovered are still in the archives. I just spent hours re-reading them all- well, maybe not all- there are many hundreds of them! Just because Ron Paul stupidly did not want to call Romney out on all his cheating because he supposedly thought his popularity would overcome it, somehow makes you feel justified to ignore it as it is happening to Trump? I remember being on the ground in a few different states, feeling really good about our numbers and expecting a strong showing, only to have the wind knocked out of me when Paul lost by the same margin by which we were expecting the win. I just saw this happen in Wisconsin.

I am a Trump supporter. NOT because he is the perfect candidate but because he is the best that is out there BY FAR and I say that because he is the one who will at least do what he is telling you. These others are all beholding to - or probably RUN BY - the banks and special interests.

I stopped participating in these forums when I heard Ron Paul criticizing Trump. But frankly, I don't care what Ron Paul thinks of him. I have plenty of criticism of Ron Paul too! I feel I worked hard for him and in the end I felt like he never really cared to be president anyway. Really. He just sat back and took all the crap he was given. I feel he is a hypocrite. Look at how many ways Trump is similar to Paul- seriously. Trump has said he wants to audit the fed. Other than where ISIS is concerned, Trump does not want to be in any of these other countries - nation building or starting wars! Instead he wants to do commerce with them. Ok, it is not libertarian free trade but it wouldn't with ANYONE! With everyone else it will be via the TPP/TPA.

So Trump is a capitalist not a libertarian? Both are far superior to communism or socialism which is what all the rest will be shoving down our throats to the further detriment of our nation. Trump wants to get out of the UN, dissolve NATO, though now he speaks more of reshaping it... Which brings up another point: He is flexible. Not being a career politician he doesn't have set views on all subjects. He is willing to say, "I think I was wrong then, maybe this is a better way..." If you present him with a solid argument for doing a certain thing he will look at it and possibly act on it if he feels it best. His interest is in the country. People who doubt that are listening to his detractors and not looking at Trump's lifetime of examples. You should be getting behind Trump to bend his ear! He can be reasoned with. That makes him wholly unique as a politician, everyone else having other interest's agendas they must follow.

But I am not here to promote Trump... I am here looking for answers AND for those members who were most actively involved in revealing the voter fraud that is once again disenfranchising the American voter and making a mockery of our nation and it's election system. Liberty1789 is no longer here and frankly I need help with this. We MUST expose this while we still have a country of our own and not one run by the special interests who pick who gets to "WIN" our elections. You have to vote for SOME one. When you do, don't you want it to count AT ALL?

[erowe1]

I am a Trump supporter. NOT because he is the perfect candidate but because he is the best that is out there BY FAR and I say that because he is the one who will at least do what he is telling you.

You lose all credibility with these claims.

[69360]

Cruz has NO chance of getting 1237 delegates, so I guess that means he should drop out.

It's still mathematically possible fpr Cruz to get 1237, but very unlikely. But that doesn't matter. If Trump is denied the 1237 on the first ballot, he won't be the nominee. Trump has no path to victory on subsequent ballots. I'm not saying it would be Cruz on a second ballot. It might be Cruz or maybe they will push somebody like Paul Ryan in. Frankly I'm ok with that. I'm in the anyone but Trump camp.

[erowe1]

It's still mathematically possible fpr Cruz to get 1237, but very unlikely. But that doesn't matter. If Trump is denied the 1237 on the first ballot, he won't be the nominee. Trump has no path to victory on subsequent ballots. I'm not saying it would be Cruz on a second ballot. It might be Cruz or maybe they will push somebody like Paul Ryan in. Frankly I'm ok with that. I'm in the anyone but Trump camp.

+rep

[Wilf]

What is wrong with you people? SO much work was done to uncover the voter fraud right here in these forums back in 2012. The voting machine algorithms that were discovered are still in the archives. I just spent hours re-reading them all- well, maybe not all- there are many hundreds of them! Just because Ron Paul stupidly did not want to call Romney out on all his cheating because he supposedly thought his popularity would overcome it, somehow makes you feel justified to ignore it as it is happening to Trump? I remember being on the ground in a few different states, feeling really good about our numbers and expecting a strong showing, only to have the wind knocked out of me when Paul lost by the same margin by which we were expecting the win. I just saw this happen in Wisconsin.

I am a Trump supporter. NOT because he is the perfect candidate but because he is the best that is out there BY FAR and I say that because he is the one who will at least do what he is telling you. These others are all beholding to - or probably RUN BY - the banks and special interests.

I stopped participating in these forums when I heard Ron Paul criticizing Trump. But frankly, I don't care what Ron Paul thinks of him. I have plenty of criticism of Ron Paul too! I feel I worked hard for him and in the end I felt like he never really cared to be president anyway. Really. He just sat back and took all the crap he was given. I feel he is a hypocrite. Look at how many ways Trump is similar to Paul- seriously. Trump has said he wants to audit the fed. Other than where ISIS is concerned, Trump does not want to be in any of these other countries - nation building or starting wars! Instead he wants to do commerce with them. Ok, it is not libertarian free trade but it wouldn't with ANYONE! With everyone else it will be via the TPP/TPA.

So Trump is a capitalist not a libertarian? Both are far superior to communism or socialism which is what all the rest will be shoving down our throats to the further detriment of our nation. Trump wants to get out of the UN, dissolve NATO, though now he speaks more of reshaping it... Which brings up another point: He is flexible. Not being a career politician he doesn't have set views on all subjects. He is willing to say, "I think I was wrong then, maybe this is a better way..." If you present him with a solid argument for doing a certain thing he will look at it and possibly act on it if he feels it best. His interest is in the country. People who doubt that are listening to his detractors and not looking at Trump's lifetime of examples. You should be getting behind Trump to bend his ear! He can be reasoned with. That makes him wholly unique as a politician, everyone else having other interest's agendas they must follow.

But I am not here to promote Trump... I am here looking for answers AND for those members who were most actively involved in revealing the voter fraud that is once again disenfranchising the American voter and making a mockery of our nation and it's election system. Liberty1789 is no longer here and frankly I need help with this. We MUST expose this while we still have a country of our own and not one run by the special interests who pick who gets to "WIN" our elections. You have to vote for SOME one. When you do, don't you want it to count AT ALL?

My major problem with Trump. How do you except him to complete all of this? What if he is another Bush? What if he is one of those substance over style politicians? Whould you defend Trump like Obama supporters if he did some draconian?

[enhanced_deficit]

Good call by his staffer.
By such logic, Rafael Cruz would have to exit politics completely given these election results?




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[Wilf]

Good call by Cruz staffer.
By such logic, Rafael Cruz would have to exit politics completely given these election results?

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You have problem with minorities?

[enhanced_deficit]

Why would you ask such a rediculous question? Liberals have made historic election victories in Rafael Cruz's ancestral home.

[Wilf]

Why would you ask such a rediculous question? Liberals have made historic victories in Rafael Cruz's ancestral home.
Funny, I belive those minorities voted for the conservative in the previous previous election? You chould have only kept a photo of Trudeau only?

[enhanced_deficit]

Funny think those minorities voted for the conservative in the previous election?

We can certaibly have the minority/majority discussion if that interets you but I'm wondering why a political liberal/conservative election results has to automatically lead to a minority based debate? Is it because the Canadian liberals in those photos have different clothing/skin colors than US media usually shows to American public and we must switch from political ideology to race?

[Wilf]

We can certaibly have the minority/majority discussion if that interets you but I'm wondering why a political liberal/conservative election results has to be automatically lead to a minority based debate?

Did you edit my post?

You chould have only kept a photo of Trudeau only?

[Wilf]

We can certaibly have the minority/majority discussion if that interets you but I'm wondering why a political liberal/conservative election results has to be automatically lead to a minority based debate? Because the Canadian liberals in those photos have different clothing/skin colors than US media usually shows to American public?

Is that an issuse?

[enhanced_deficit]

Is that an issuse?

Is what an issue, liberals winning elections in Rafael's ancestral home or their racial makeup/clothing?

[Wilf]

Is what an issue, liberals winning elections in Rafael's ancestral home or their racial makeup/clothing?

This.

[enhanced_deficit]

This.

Not at all.
It was about political election results at controversial birther Rafael Cruz's place of birth until someone mentioned the m-word.

[Wilf]

Not at all.
It was about political election results at controversial birther Rafael Cruz's place of birth until someone mentioned the m-word.
Really, You chould have only kept a photo of Trudeau jr only?

[enhanced_deficit]

Really, You chould have only kept a photo of Trudeau jr only?

Why, what is wrong with the photos of election winners I posted since they made history in last election?

On October 19, 2015, Calgary elected its first two Liberal federal MPs since 1968, Darshan Kang for Calgary Skyview and Kent Hehr for Calgary Centre.

[Wilf]

Why, what is wrong with the photos of election winners I posted since they made history in last election?

On October 19, 2015, Calgary elected its first two Liberal federal MPs since 1968, Darshan Kang for Calgary Skyview and Kent Hehr for Calgary Centre.

Ok. If your further enhance your point look at the "progressive conservative" party view points. It could help your case?

[erowe1]

Why would you ask such a rediculous question? Liberals have made historic election victories in Rafael Cruz's ancestral home.


Is what an issue, liberals winning elections in Rafael's ancestral home or their racial makeup/clothing?


You keep using that word. I don't think you know what it means.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestral_home

[enhanced_deficit]

Ok. If your further enhance your point look at the "progressive conservative" party view points. It could help your case?

I will try to learn about PCs.


You keep using that word. I don't think you know what it means.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestral_home


Ok, I stand corrected. Ancestral home should be read as birthplace.

[Zippyjuan]

Cruz has NO chance of getting 1237 delegates, so I guess that means he should drop out.

It is possible that Cruz gets zero delegates from New York (he is polling below the 20% threshold at the moment- Kasich may keep Trump from getting all of them since he is above 20%). If that happens, he will need 91% of the remaining delegates to clinch the nomination. He is getting very, very close to not being able to get enough.

If Trump gets all 95- he will need 51% of remaining delegates to clinch.

[hells_unicorn]

It will be a metaphysical anomaly if Cruz manages to get 20% in New York, so one of his bonehead staffers making statements like this strikes me as, well...rather boneheaded.

[octojofo]

It will be a metaphysical anomaly if Cruz manages to get 20% in New York, so one of his bonehead staffers making statements like this strikes me as, well...rather boneheaded.

Metaphysical anomaly - So what? It could be a virtual IMPOSSIBILITY, and it will still happen as long as everyone remains willfully blind to the fact that the voting mechanism is now completely controlled. Don't stop it. See what happens.

[CPUd]

It is possible that Cruz gets zero delegates from New York (he is polling below the 20% threshold at the moment- Kasich may keep Trump from getting all of them since he is above 20%). If that happens, he will need 91% of the remaining delegates to clinch the nomination. He is getting very, very close to not being able to get enough.

If Trump gets all 95- he will need 51% of remaining delegates to clinch.

That's an oversimplified version of how the NY allocation rules work. You need to spend some time at this site:
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/NY-R#0419

[Zippyjuan]

The entire process is so ridiculously complicated and confusing. It is a crazy way to try to choose the person who could eventually be in charge of the entire country. Some states vote and who wins the most votes from the citizens is not the person who gets the most state votes (delegates) at the convention (Ron Paul- Iowa, 2012 was third in voting but got 22 of 24 delegates). Some vote and their delegates don't have to vote for anybody the state citizens chose. See Colorado.

[jmdrake]

What is wrong with you people? SO much work was done to uncover the voter fraud right here in these forums back in 2012. The voting machine algorithms that were discovered are still in the archives. I just spent hours re-reading them all- well, maybe not all- there are many hundreds of them! Just because Ron Paul stupidly did not want to call Romney out on all his cheating because he supposedly thought his popularity would overcome it, somehow makes you feel justified to ignore it as it is happening to Trump? I remember being on the ground in a few different states, feeling really good about our numbers and expecting a strong showing, only to have the wind knocked out of me when Paul lost by the same margin by which we were expecting the win. I just saw this happen in Wisconsin.

:rolleyes: Uhhh...no. What you saw in Wisconsin was a backlash against Donald Trump for using the slimy National Inquirer as a campaign mouthpiece in a smear campaign. Weeks before the Wisconsin vote, Trump had fallen behind Cruz by 10%. He lost by 13%. That was totally expected by anyone paying attention. Trump's popularity has peaked and it's now fading.


I am a Trump supporter. NOT because he is the perfect candidate but because he is the best that is out there BY FAR and I say that because he is the one who will at least do what he is telling you. These others are all beholding to - or probably RUN BY - the banks and special interests.

So let me get this straight. You think someone who lied about being against the Iraq war from the beginning, called for the invasion of Libya (which is half of the reason we have ISIS), was for a total gun ban in 2000 and only changed his stance to run for president, and called Hillary Clinton "the best secretary of state ever" AFTER Benghazi is "by far" the best candidate running? Ummm....okay. If you want to believe that okay. I see no logical reason why you do but okay. Cruz sucks too, but at least he wasn't pushing for war with Libya and he's had a consistent pro gun record.


I stopped participating in these forums when I heard Ron Paul criticizing Trump. But frankly, I don't care what Ron Paul thinks of him. I have plenty of criticism of Ron Paul too! I feel I worked hard for him and in the end I felt like he never really cared to be president anyway. Really. He just sat back and took all the crap he was given. I feel he is a hypocrite. Look at how many ways Trump is similar to Paul- seriously. Trump has said he wants to audit the fed. Other than where ISIS is concerned, Trump does not want to be in any of these other countries - nation building or starting wars! Instead he wants to do commerce with them. Ok, it is not libertarian free trade but it wouldn't with ANYONE! With everyone else it will be via the TPP/TPA.

Except Trump wanted to go to war with Iraq and Libya. And worse he lied about it.


So Trump is a capitalist not a libertarian?

What the hell? Capitalism and libertarianism are not mutually exclusive. Trump is a FASCIST and not a libertarian. A fascist is someone who believe government should intervene on behalf of private business and pick winners and losers. Trump thinking the government forcing you at gun point to sell your land to a private developer is classic fascism. It's not capitalism. Capitalism is the other party has to try to buy you out and if you don't want to sell your family graveyard for 10 million dollars that's your business.


Both are far superior to communism or socialism which is what all the rest will be shoving down our throats to the further detriment of our nation. Trump wants to get out of the UN, dissolve NATO, though now he speaks more of reshaping it... Which brings up another point: He is flexible. Not being a career politician he doesn't have set views on all subjects. He is willing to say, "I think I was wrong then, maybe this is a better way..." If you present him with a solid argument for doing a certain thing he will look at it and possibly act on it if he feels it best. His interest is in the country. People who doubt that are listening to his detractors and not looking at Trump's lifetime of examples. You should be getting behind Trump to bend his ear! He can be reasoned with. That makes him wholly unique as a politician, everyone else having other interest's agendas they must follow.

So is "flexible" the new term for lying snake oil salesman?


But I am not here to promote Trump... I am here looking for answers AND for those members who were most actively involved in revealing the voter fraud that is once again disenfranchising the American voter and making a mockery of our nation and it's election system. Liberty1789 is no longer here and frankly I need help with this. We MUST expose this while we still have a country of our own and not one run by the special interests who pick who gets to "WIN" our elections. You have to vote for SOME one. When you do, don't you want it to count AT ALL?

Just because Trump lost Wisconsin after some stupid political calculations on his part doesn't mean there was voter fraud there. Again the outcome was exactly what the polls said it would be. Trump loves to brag about polls when they show he's winning? Well, sometimes those polls show he's losing.

[hells_unicorn]

Metaphysical anomaly - So what? It could be a virtual IMPOSSIBILITY, and it will still happen as long as everyone remains willfully blind to the fact that the voting mechanism is now completely controlled. Don't stop it. See what happens.

Sorry, I don't do the whole tin-foil hat thing. They only pull that election fraud thing if the results are close and it'll look believable, if any random Alex Jones wannabe can spot it, it's not happening.

[RandallFan]

:rolleyes: Uhhh...no. What you saw in Wisconsin was a backlash against Donald Trump for using the slimy National Inquirer as a campaign mouthpiece in a smear campaign. Weeks before the Wisconsin vote, Trump had fallen behind Cruz by 10%. He lost by 13%. That was totally expected by anyone paying attention. Trump's popularity has peaked and it's now fading.


Trump's 35% was awesome in Wisconsin and blocking Cruz from 50% was a major feat in nerdville. Apart from the open borders mormon cabal, Wisconsin is terrible fr Trump.

Trump was flat at worst in Wisconsin. Those 6 delegates Trump took, could mean Cruz is out of the numbers-race by NY or RI.

He trashed the entire Republican agenda in Wisconsin, taxes, education funding & still got over a third.

Wisconsin isn't warming to Donald Trump



Dec. 19, 2015 477 (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/363038801.html?page=1)

While Donald Trump is dominating the GOP field in national polls (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html), you wouldn’t know it from his tepid support in Wisconsin, which may be as resistant as any place in America to the lure of Trump-mania.



More striking, Trump’s image in his own party is “under water” in Wisconsin: more Republican voters viewed him unfavorably (50%) than favorably (36%) in Marquette’s November poll. The same was true in late September and August.


http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/363038801.html

[Jan2017]

Texas was winner take all. New York is proportional if you are under 50. Trumps chances of getting the majority are over if he doesn't get over 50% statewide and in most districts. If he beats Cruz by 10 or 20 delegates its over for tiny hands

Trump got 48 delegates in Texas btw . . .
just over 1.2 million votes for Cruz, nearly 1.6 million votes against Cruz in his adopted USA state

Republican Primary

Cruz won Texas, according to A.P.



CANDIDATES
VOTE
PCT.

DELEGATES


Ted Cruz
1,239,370
43.8%

104


Donald J. Trump
757,618
26.7

48


Marco Rubio
502,223
17.7

3


John Kasich
120,257
4.2

—


Ben Carson
117,780
4.2

—


Other
94,986
3.4

—


2,832,234 votes, 100% reporting (7,927 of 7,927 precincts)
Winner called by A.P.