Maddow recalls violence and thug tactics used against Ron Paul supporters in 2012

[jct74]

MSNBC 3/18/16



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scUTo9AnwQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scUTo9AnwQI

[brandon]

my nostalgia.

Where is my candidate.

I'm getting old, come on.

[jct74]

Doug Wead interview afterwards



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osnusyk17uA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osnusyk17uA

[hankrichter12]

Their campaign slogan was "Revolution", they incited violence, they deserved it.

[JK/SEA]

Their campaign slogan was "Revolution", they incited violence, they deserved it.

hahaha...good sarc man...

[puppetmaster]

Their campaign slogan was "Revolution", they incited violence, they deserved it. same as Trump right...inciting violence

[Henry Rogue]

That brings back memories. Probably PTSD for delegates who went through all that.

[sailingaway]

Does that video ever bring back memories.

Why is this thread one star?

[XTreat]

Man this brings back some bitter sweet memories.

If you know what I know about what happened in 2012 at the GOP conventions then you know what's coming this summer, this time in reverse. Throw in BLM and the Trump zealots and it's going to be a long hot political summer for the GOP.

[dannno]

Amazing it took them four years to report this.

[Champ]

Maddow, not someone I usually respect as a journalist, summed up most of the large bogus 2012 events nicely in this piece.

A similar video was made right after the RNC concluded back in 2012 that I often will show to friends or family that want to learn more about what happened.

RNC Sham:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B39W91O-rUg

[RJ Liberty]

Amazing it took them four years to report this.
Actually, Rachel Maddow reported on the 2012 GOP primary voter fraud repeatedly. Here's one example (http://web.archive.org/web/20120423025600/http://www.dailypaul.com/214328/maddow-reporting-maine-fraud). Here's another. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOsLxY2DyME&feature=related) Maddow actually was all over this, and was one of the few voices of reason in the media at that time.

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

Thanks for that, Champuckett. I am now inspired to raise the black flag and fight for David Gerson with no regrets.

[ChristianAnarchist]

Liberty was stolen from us in 2012 and again this year. How does it go again?? The soap box, the ballot box and ???

[JK/SEA]

Liberty was stolen from us in 2012 and again this year. How does it go again?? The soap box, the ballot box and ???

....the hide in the box.

[tod evans]

Not a MadCow fan but the OP is worth the time to watch.....

[Matt Collins]

Every once in a while truth comes out of her mouth:





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scUTo9AnwQI

[enhanced_deficit]

Yep.
And as you sow, so shall you reap.

Ron Paul says GOP deserves the (Trump convention controversy) problem (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?492286-Ron-Paul-says-GOP-deserves-the-%28Trump-convention-controversy%29-problem&)

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

With all this free negative media publicity, why didn't Ron Paul win? :confused:

I mean, we've determined that bad media is because they support you, right?

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

forewarned is forearmed. Trump knows exactly what to look for now.

[phill4paul]

With all this free negative media publicity, why didn't Ron Paul win? :confused:

I mean, we've determined that bad media is because they support you, right?

Black This Out never happened. amirite? :rolleyes:

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Black This Out never happened. amirite? :rolleyes:

We should try harder, and generate more negative publicity next election!

it's a good thing.

Sanders Hillary showed us the way!

[hankrichter12]

Liberty was stolen from us in 2012 and again this year. How does it go again?? The soap box, the ballot box and ???


How was it stolen from us this year?

[tod evans]

How was it stolen from us this year?

http://www.joemygod.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/RandPaulLS.jpg

[Brian4Liberty]

MSNBC 3/18/16



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scUTo9AnwQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scUTo9AnwQI

Haven't had the displeasure of watching Maddow for a long time.

Sure, she talked a bit about violence against some Ron Paul people, but it seems to me that for the most part the segment painted the Ron Paul campaign and it's supporters as a bunch of underhanded cheaters, who almost deserved the violence against them. She used it all as a premise that there will be more violence and cheating at the next GOP convention, while not giving much detail about who would do what.

[hankrichter12]

http://www.joemygod.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/RandPaulLS.jpg


Rand never had a snowflake's chance, get in touch with reality.

[luctor-et-emergo]

RandLiberty never had a snowflake's chance, get in touch with reality.

Fixed that for you. People simply want power even if it comes with authoritarianism or whatever ism people don't like otherwise. There are plenty examples here on the forum. Power over principle, it's a dangerous thing.

There are very few people that do not care for power but care about principle, I would consider Ron and Rand among those people. Trump, Cruz, are the complete opposite of that.

[hankrichter12]

Fixed that for you. People simply want power even if it comes with authoritarianism or whatever ism people don't like otherwise. There are plenty examples here on the forum. Power over principle, it's a dangerous thing.

There are very few people that do not care for power but care about principle, I would consider Ron and Rand among those people. Trump, Cruz, are the complete opposite of that.


It's never had a chance in all of human history and never will. Don't know why people refuse to accept this. It is not the "evil" all of you make it out to be, it is simply how we are wired, just like pack animals. Most people are not wired to be individuals, the thought of making their own decisions and being responsible for them is terrifying, it is instinctive, unless there is some huge evolutionary biological change in our brains - or divine intervention if you are religious - this is what we are.

Trying to "wake people up" is a fool's mission, go talk to the average voter, you can explain it to them a thousand times and they will still stand there like a deer in the headlights, either that or they will shout their simplistic cue card sound bites at you, they simply cannot comprehend these things anymore than I can comprehend black hole theories.

[ChristianAnarchist]

How was it stolen from us this year?

Primarily by Trumpster entering the race and stealing the thunder. I'm still waiting for him to find a reason to bow out now that he's totally destroyed any chance for liberty this election. He derailed the "anger" that should have gone to the only candidate that would have actually HELPED the average person to get back some of their money and get the goonerment OUT of their lives (at least to some extent)...

[Champ]

Haven't had the displeasure of watching Maddow for a long time.

Sure, she talked a bit about violence against some Ron Paul people, but it seems to me that for the most part the segment painted the Ron Paul campaign and it's supporters as a bunch of underhanded cheaters, who almost deserved the violence against them. She used it all as a premise that there will be more violence and cheating at the next GOP convention, while not giving much detail about who would do what.

Agreed. The only time she does non-hit pieces about the liberty movement is to make an attack against the GOP. I try to look at the positive side and say to myself that the deplorable actions by the GOP at the RNC in 2012 are now being given attention, for all to see. It's a shame it took 4 years for this to happen and not because it was the righteous thing to do, but for no reason other than to stop an undesirable candidate.

[hankrichter12]

Primarily by Trumpster entering the race and stealing the thunder. I'm still waiting for him to find a reason to bow out now that he's totally destroyed any chance for liberty this election. He derailed the "anger" that should have gone to the only candidate that would have actually HELPED the average person to get back some of their money and get the goonerment OUT of their lives (at least to some extent)...

Rand would have went nowhere, you all have short memories. Go back to the start of this election year, things were most definitely swinging back NeoCon, Rand would have been booed off the stage worse than Ron.

You guys can keep clinging to this absurd narrative, it really doesn't matter. Even the NeoCon stuff aside, no way Rand could have withstood this assault from every major news outlet and billionaire on the planet.

[Matt Collins]

If anyone else would like perspectives from some of the leaders of the floor fights, here they are:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bcURbFWfMc&feature=youtu.be



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4pVMbY8kQA



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMEXW1_7ewc

[ChristianAnarchist]

It's never had a chance in all of human history and never will. Don't know why people refuse to accept this. It is not the "evil" all of you make it out to be, it is simply how we are wired, just like pack animals. Most people are not wired to be individuals, the thought of making their own decisions and being responsible for them is terrifying, it is instinctive, unless there is some huge evolutionary biological change in our brains - or divine intervention if you are religious - this is what we are.

Trying to "wake people up" is a fool's mission, go talk to the average voter, you can explain it to them a thousand times and they will still stand there like a deer in the headlights, either that or they will shout their simplistic cue card sound bites at you, they simply cannot comprehend these things anymore than I can comprehend black hole theories.

Why exactly are you here?? This is a liberty forum. If you think liberty has no chance, that's your right but take it to somewhere you will be welcome... Like a Drumph forum...

[hankrichter12]

Why exactly are you here?? This is a liberty forum. If you think liberty has no chance, that's your right but take it to somewhere you will be welcome... Like a Drumph forum...

Was gonna answer, but that right shows what type of conversation this will turn into.

[ChristianAnarchist]

Was gonna answer, but that right shows what type of conversation this will turn into.

What? The fact that I used the original spelling "Drumph? That is his original family name, you know that right?

[hankrichter12]

What? The fact that I used the original spelling "Drumph? That is his original family name, you know that right?

No, I was totally unaware of that little tidbit that has been all over the media for the past 2 weeks, thank you for enlightening me.

[RJ Liberty]

Why exactly are you here?? This is a liberty forum. If you think liberty has no chance, that's your right but take it to somewhere you will be welcome... Like a Drumph forum...

I'm wondering that myself. Newly-created account with almost 300 posts under his belt already, preaching about how liberty has failed, and we need to abandon our principles and vote for Donald Drumpf... hmmm...

[georgiaboy]

bump. Nice compilation by Rachel, but she did us no favors when it came to her interpretation.

Not once did she state that the Ron Paul campaign was working within the party rules for the delegate process. She made it sound like it was somehow shady, and it most certainly was not. It's the way it was set up to work, and is a great way to overcome media bias, especially the Ron Paul Blackout, in the primary process.

Convention delegate battles are a good thing, and give grassroots supporters who actually care the opportunity to make a real difference.

[ChristianAnarchist]

I'm wondering that myself. Newly-created account with almost 300 posts under his belt already, preaching about how liberty has failed, and we need to abandon our principles and vote for Donald Drumpf... hmmm...

This is the exact reason I think the rep system should be used to put people in "timeout" after they have gained a certain number of neg reps. These new posters who start a new account here to just post a bunch of Trump propaganda need to be hindered. We don't even know if these are real people or bots...

[RJ Liberty]

This is the exact reason I think the rep system should be used to put people in "timeout" after they have gained a certain number of neg reps. These new posters who start a new account here to just post a bunch of Trump propaganda need to be hindered. We don't even know if these are real people or bots...

It's certainly a bot-like number of posts in such a short period of time. But I'd think a bot would make more sense.

[hankrichter12]

I'm wondering that myself. Newly-created account with almost 300 posts under his belt already, preaching about how liberty has failed, and we need to abandon our principles and vote for Donald Drumpf... hmmm...


Sigh, this again, been here for awhile, would bet any money I donated more to Ron and did more for him than you, were you a delegate for him in your district? I had to create a new account, not that it has anything to do with whether or not what I'm saying is true or not, but since you can't debate anything I say you resort to silly red herrings. You guys all say the same pathetic BS over and over.



This is the exact reason I think the rep system should be used to put people in "timeout" after they have gained a certain number of neg reps. These new posters who start a new account here to just post a bunch of Trump propaganda need to be hindered. We don't even know if these are real people or bots...

Oh brother.

[Valli6]

bump. Nice compilation by Rachel, but she did us no favors when it came to her interpretation.

Not once did she state that the Ron Paul campaign was working within the party rules for the delegate process. She made it sound like it was somehow shady, and it most certainly was not. It's the way it was set up to work, and is a great way to overcome media bias, especially the Ron Paul Blackout, in the primary process.

Convention delegate battles are a good thing, and give grassroots supporters who actually care the opportunity to make a real difference.

Likewise, I heard Chris Todd used the term "delegate manipulation" before mentioning that Ron Paul ended up with the most delegates in some states won by other candidates - as if it were an unfair stategy!