A push for 3rd party in 2016

[P3ter_Griffin]

With no horse in the race and candidates on both sides being unappealing to their base, is 2016 a good year to encourage people to leave the two party system, regardless of where they go?

http://www.john-uebersax.com/parties.htm

http://s12.postimg.org/735q1vsvx/Trump_Hillary_Sign.png

[P3ter_Griffin]

A xcf file so anyone with GIMP can open this project file.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/8kp3icpdjherd9b/signbase.xcf

http://s29.postimg.org/lrx8dcw7r/signbase.png

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

to be fair, a strong libertarian turnout does actually help Clinton. Thus is the fallacy of our First Past the Post, 2 Party System.

When you vote 3rd party, you hurt the main party most representative of your views, and hurt they who are least Representative.

The real battle we need to have is getting Alternate Voting implimented, as in, we all vote for our top 3 or 5 or whatever, which destroys the spoiler effect against 3rd parties, allowing us to actually be competitive.

[presence]

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[P3ter_Griffin]

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[klamath]

This actually maybe a great year for a third party. With Trump and Hillary as the leading candidate I would full on support a non insane third party. Every poll is showing a huge block of Republicans that will NOT vote for Trump me being in that group.

[Dianne]

I have a funny feeling Bernie will go third party, unless............ he is offered the VP slot. Bernie won't easily give up his notoriety and fame.

[P3ter_Griffin]

to be fair, a strong libertarian turnout does actually help Clinton. Thus is the fallacy of our First Past the Post, 2 Party System.

When you vote 3rd party, you hurt the main party most representative of your views, and hurt they who are least Representative.

The real battle we need to have is getting Alternate Voting implimented, as in, we all vote for our top 3 or 5 or whatever, which destroys the spoiler effect against 3rd parties, allowing us to actually be competitive.

I do favor Trump over Clinton but he hasn't done anything do gain my support, and there are long term gains by getting people out of the two party mindset where they are voting to win vs voting on principles. If we were to manage to effect enough people to change the outcome of the election (doubtful) it would be a good sign for future elections, even if I would not like the short term election results.

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

I do favor Trump over Clinton but he hasn't done anything do gain my support, and there are long term gains by getting people out of the two party mindset where they are voting to win vs voting on principles. If we were to manage to effect enough people to change the outcome of the election (doubtful) it would be a good sign for future elections, even if I would not like the short term election results.

I pretty much agree with you 100%

Me personally, I would rather have the Libertarian Party take 15% of the vote and let Clinton win...because then we would be THE story in 2020 (I hope)

But check out this video, let me know what you think. https://youtu.be/3Y3jE3B8HsE

[Dianne]

I pretty much agree with you 100%

Me personally, I would rather have the Libertarian Party take 15% of the vote and let Clinton win...because then we would be THE story in 2020 (I hope)

But check out this video, let me know what you think. https://youtu.be/3Y3jE3B8HsE

Be careful of what you wish for. If there is a Hillary Clinton presidency, there may not be a 2020. And good luck suing the Clinton Foundation where all the country's money is being laundered.

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

Be careful of what you wish for. If there is a Hillary Clinton presidency, there may not be a 2020. And good luck suing the Clinton Foundation where all the country's money is being laundered.

Clinton would be either indicted or impeached.

Just imagine, the death of Populism (Trump) Democratic Socialism (Bernie) and the Ruling Elite (Clinton) in 4 short years....we could emerge from that. We would have to be careful not to allow the flames to come back up....but I cannot imagine a better year for us than 2020.

[klamath]

Be careful of what you wish for. If there is a Hillary Clinton presidency, there may not be a 2020. And good luck suing the Clinton Foundation where all the country's money is being laundered.if Trump is the nominee there very well be no 2020.....

[Dianne]

Clinton would be either indicted or impeached.

Just imagine, the death of Populism (Trump) Democratic Socialism (Bernie) and the Ruling Elite (Clinton) in 4 short years....we could emerge from that. We would have to be careful not to allow the flames to come back up....but I cannot imagine a better year for us than 2020.

That would be in a perfect world. When you have NSA spying at the fingertips of the President, who can blackmail every member of Congress, and arrest any member of the rank and file, you don't have "freedom". Once Hillary has the key to the Kingdom, aka the NSA, she has the ticket to ride; and all (including Obama), should dread her wrath.

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

That would be in a perfect world. When you have NSA spying at the fingertips of the President, who can blackmail every member of Congress, and arrest any member of the rank and file, you don't have "freedom". Once Hillary has the key to the Kingdom, aka the NSA, she has the ticket to ride; and all (including Obama), should dread her wrath.

Hillary will blackmail, Trump will intern.

Or was it Hillary will intern, Trump will blackmail.....

oh yea, I forgot they are literally on the exact same team. Best buddies.

It makes me think of that JFK Quote about peaceful revolutions......

[ronpaulhawaii]

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb19/mkauai/signbaseBush_Clinton_zpsgfe1l3lw.png

[Anti Federalist]

That picture was taken on Walker's Point in Kennebunkport.

Goes to show how tight the tie was between HW and Bill.

Running a drug ring together tends to do that.



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[erowe1]

How about a massive campaign for abstaining from the election instead of voting 3rd party?

[erowe1]

Be careful of what you wish for. If there is a Hillary Clinton presidency, there may not be a 2020. And good luck suing the Clinton Foundation where all the country's money is being laundered.


That would be in a perfect world. When you have NSA spying at the fingertips of the President, who can blackmail every member of Congress, and arrest any member of the rank and file, you don't have "freedom". Once Hillary has the key to the Kingdom, aka the NSA, she has the ticket to ride; and all (including Obama), should dread her wrath.

You make Hillary sound almost as bad as Trump.

[P3ter_Griffin]

How about a massive campaign for abstaining from the election instead of voting 3rd party?

cool bro, go start a thread for it.

[Peace&Freedom]

If the LP can get 5% or more of the Presidential vote around the country in 2016, it would qualify for regular or permanent ballot status in about half of the states for several years (i.e., those states that give such status based on getting a minimum vote level in the Presidential race). This would vastly lessen the burden of the party in running and funding independent petition drives they would otherwise have to conduct across the US.

With that burden cut in half nationally, the party could then concentrate on earning regular status in the other states. Overall, a uniform 5%+ national performance by the LP would lead to improving the party's ability to maintain regular ballot status (once obtained) across the country. This was one of the practical reasons why the party would have welcomed Ron Paul running on the LP line in 2008 and 2012, after his GOP bid was stalled.

[klamath]

This is the year a third party really has a chance to break through.

[P3ter_Griffin]

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[P3ter_Griffin]

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb19/mkauai/signbaseBush_Clinton_zpsgfe1l3lw.png

Hope its alright I uploaded this on the Vote 3rd party twitter page. I couldn't get it to display the image without clicking the tweet when linking to it.

If anyone has any articles/videos/images in promotion of voting 3rd party or for your 3rd party candidate tweet it to me and I'll retweet it. 0 followers so I won't get you many views probably. But who knows what'll happen.

[P3ter_Griffin]

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[P3ter_Griffin]

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[acptulsa]

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb19/mkauai/signbaseBush_Clinton_zpsgfe1l3lw.png

This pic works too.


https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2015/08/05/National-Politics/Images/GettyImages-843167781438806851.jpg?uuid=Xge46juxEeWI0-YhMKzJdQ

[P3ter_Griffin]

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[afwjam]

Agreed. I was all for the plan, but third party seems the thing worth pushing now.

[P3ter_Griffin]

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[r3volution 3.0]

The next president's going to be a monster, and there's absolutely nothing we can do about it at this point.

What we can do is try to position ourselves better for future contests, and an historic performance by the LP would help do that.

The political environment's never been better for a 3rd party.

Let's do it.


I would rather have the Libertarian Party take 15% of the vote and let Clinton win...because then we would be THE story in 2020

Exactly


How about a massive campaign for abstaining from the election instead of voting 3rd party?

Abstentions don't appear on the evening news.

[erowe1]

Abstentions don't appear on the evening news.

Yes they do, in stories about low voter turnout. In fact, these make the news more than stories about third-party candidates do.

[r3volution 3.0]

Yes they do, in stories about low voter turnout. In fact, these make the news more than stories about third-party candidates do.

True, but that doesn't specifically benefit us (it benefits all "anti-establishment" groups), as would a record LP turnout.

[P3ter_Griffin]

I don't know how much truth there is to this; but I feel like conservatives who we can push to vote 3rd party (principles over winning) we can more easily court as a voter in the future, and democrats who we can push to vote principles over winning are less likely to vote for the nominee that our potential candidate would be facing in a general election scenario. Getting easier ballot access for the libertarian party for future years could be beneficial to our cause. There is a thread on not voting in the philosophy forum if you guys want to discuss that.

[P3ter_Griffin]

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