Bernie Sanders promises to “take trucks off the road” if elected

[Suzanimal]

How are the products going to get from the rail yard to the store? :confused:

video at link


During a recent campaign event, presidential candidate Bernie Sanders shed some light on his plans for the trucking industry.

In the short clip, which can seen above, Sanders promised to “do great things” if elected president, including “creating a state of the art rail system which takes trucks off the road.”

The crowd at the event responded with thunderous applause.

Several drivers immediately contacted us, expressing concern over the statements. “This guy has to be stopped” said one reader.

http://www.livetrucking.com/bernie-sander-says-hell-take-semis-off-the-road-if-elected/

[phill4paul]

How are the products going to get from the rail yard to the store? :confused:

video at link


http://www.livetrucking.com/bernie-sander-says-hell-take-semis-off-the-road-if-elected/

I'm sure Bernie is just like Trump when it comes to eminent domain. Perhaps the railway will run right through everyone's front yard?

[presence]

muh roads!!!!

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

[hells_unicorn]

In spite of this patently insane suggestion, it would be a stretch to call Bernie Sanders a complete retard. The people applauding are another story altogether.

[Spikender]

A fucking rail system.

Screw it, just skip the rails and go for those sunction hamster tubes from Futurama.

[FrancisMarion]

Bernie has correctly determined that the Teamsters are behind Trump. He had no hope with them. I really wonder how much of the Unions' rank and file will pull the lever for Trump.

[timosman]

How are the products going to get from the rail yard to the store? :confused:

Kale powered Prius ftw. :)

[tod evans]

Kale powered Prius ftw. :)

Have you tried that shit?

Even bacon and onions can't hide the taste.....

[timosman]

Have you tried that shit?


Yes. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?478634-People-Are-Getting-Seriously-Sick-From-Eating-Kale

[Suzanimal]

Have you tried that shit?

Even bacon and onions can't hide the taste.....

I've eaten worse.

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

another scene that sounds like it's straight out of atlas shrugged. surreal.

[hankrichter12]

How are the products going to get from the rail yard to the store? :confused:

video at link


http://www.livetrucking.com/bernie-sander-says-hell-take-semis-off-the-road-if-elected/

Well, not that I trust Bernie's way of doing things, but actually people don't usually know that the trucking industry is subsidized by all of us via the fuel tax. If they actually had to pay a percentage based on the amount of damage they do to the roads, they would not be profitable, at least not the OTR drivers, which would then make trains more necessary. So, to some extent Bernie is right for the wrong reasons.

[Ronin Truth]

The Mexican trucks AND their drivers?

[puppetmaster]

He will hire millions of government employees to carry this shit at 40 bucks an hour and he can tax them at 90% and make so much money he can pay for everyone's college education. Then after they graduate they will be unemployed but get to live tax free for all eternity in free housing using free internet and free phones and free healthcare and free food from the magic trees that berine is planting.

[CaptUSA]

What is it with socialists and railroads?! There's always seemed to be this love affair with them.

Is it because trains can only go forward and backwards? Because they have strict controls? They can only go where the rails allow them to go?

I'm not sure what it is, but there is something about the symbolism of the rails that is overwhelmingly endearing to these people. Is it because rail transportation was first introduced as "progress"?

An interesting thought on the subject from perspective of HDT: http://anthologyoi.com/literature-thoreaus-consideration-of-the-railroad-is-a-blessing-a-curse-and-a-symbol/

[William Tell]

muh roads!!!!

Muh rails!

[presence]

What is it with socialists and railroads?!



high-speed rail promotes economic growth by improving market access, boosting productivity of knowledge workers, expanding labor markets, and attracting visitor spending. When planned thoughtfully with complementary investments in the public realm, high-speed rail can promote urban regeneration and attract commercial development, as shown in several European examples. High-speed rail has greater operating energy efficiency than competing modes and takes up less land than highways.

http://www.lincolninst.edu/pubs/1948_High-Speed-Rail


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[dannno]

Playing devil's advocate, I don't think he meant take all trucks off the road, just reduce the number. The way it was stated could mean both taking all the trucks off the road, or taking at least 2 trucks off the road.

It's also questionable whether government funding of roads took away from investment in a more efficient rail system, but there is really no way to know since there was government intervention in transportation pretty much from the beginning.

[Danke]

Well, not that I trust Bernie's way of doing things, but actually people don't usually know that the trucking industry is subsidized by all of us via the fuel tax. If they actually had to pay a percentage based on the amount of damage they do to the roads, they would not be profitable, at least not the OTR drivers, which would then make trains more necessary. So, to some extent Bernie is right for the wrong reasons.

I never knew that, I looked it up and they claim trucking is subsidize to the tune of ~ $60 billion a year.

[puppetmaster]

Playing devil's advocate, I don't think he meant take all trucks off the road, just reduce the number. The way it was stated could mean both taking all the trucks off the road, or taking at least 2 trucks off the road.

It's also questionable whether government funding of roads took away from investment in a more efficient rail system, but there is really no way to know since there was government intervention in transportation pretty much from the beginning.

he might be able to pull this one off....His economic plan would totally devastate the US economy and there demand would disappear and trucks would not be needed for any deliveries. People would have to walk to local food banks and they could be located at train yards,,brilliant

[Working Poor]

Don't worry Bernie won't win.

[puppetmaster]

dup

[misterx]

This can absolutely be accomplished. It would require completely implementing Agenda 21, but it can be done. If he just wants to reduce the number of trucks on the road, that sounds like a good idea, but let's find away to reduce the subsidies to the trucking industry and then private industry will make it happen.

[timosman]

This can absolutely be accomplished. It would require completely implementing Agenda 21, but it can be done.

Warren Buffet is big on trains.

[Son_of_Liberty90]

He's thinking too small. How about a tube transport system like in Futurama?

[farreri]

“creating a state of the art rail system which takes trucks off the road.”
I'm sure they'll make it under budget.

[farreri]

He's thinking too small. How about a tube transport system like in Futurama?
Isn't that what Elon is making?

[hells_unicorn]

Don't worry Bernie won't win.

The problem isn't Bernie winning, the problem is the massive number of people applauding this lunacy at his rallies and the fact that many of them will have kids. We have to live among these people and be subject to their idiocy on a daily basis.

[hells_unicorn]

This can absolutely be accomplished. It would require completely implementing Agenda 21, but it can be done. If he just wants to reduce the number of trucks on the road, that sounds like a good idea, but let's find away to reduce the subsidies to the trucking industry and then private industry will make it happen.

You know, I wouldn't necessarily mind having less trucks on the highway as when I make my commutes in the late evening I'm often surrounded by massive tractor trailers that seem to think that they own the whole road. The problem is, these people are essentially low skilled workers that will probably have a hard time transitioning out of their trade quickly, and more unemployed people equals more civil unrest and socialism. Not necessarily a winning idea, subsidies or no.

[misterx]

You know, I wouldn't necessarily mind having less trucks on the highway as when I make my commutes in the late evening I'm often surrounded by massive tractor trailers that seem to think that they own the whole road. The problem is, these people are essentially low skilled workers that will probably have a hard time transitioning out of their trade quickly, and more unemployed people equals more civil unrest and socialism. Not necessarily a winning idea, subsidies or no.

There are always other things that they can do. If it increases productivity it makes the country wealthier, which in turn creates new opportunities. Every advancement in productivity causes some transient displacement, but that gets worked out over time and makes us all better off.

[Occam's Banana]

Bernie Sanders promises to “take trucks off the road” if elected

How are the products going to get from the rail yard to the store? :confused:
What products?

[Dr.3D]

Muh rails!

Oh muh goodness.

[Occam's Banana]

What products?

Oh, right! I forgot: Victory Gin ... (which can also be used as deodorant ...)

Well, there won't be any stores - so you'll have to walk to your local train station once a month.

Just don't forget your ration card ...

[Anti Federalist]

I've eaten worse.

http://imgur.com/l43K6hZ.jpg

[limequat]

What the truckers don't realize is that their jobs will be obsolete in 10 years anyway due to autonomous trucks. Cabbies too.

[Anti Federalist]

What the truckers don't realize is that their jobs will be obsolete in 10 years anyway due to autonomous trucks. Cabbies too.

And locomotive engineers and trainmen as well.

[VIDEODROME]

I dunno. I drove semi-trucks myself for 2 years and that seemed like daily lunacy to me.

I did drive to pickup freight from Train Yards and Airports to and felt envy for the pilots and train conductors who did not have to park their vehicles in the equivalent of a shitty truck stop or hunt for parking. Many parking areas are dangerous for the drivers because for reasons I don't understand crazy people, drug addicts, or sometimes thieves harass the drivers and truckstops. I've come across to many fucked up people at travel stop plazas.

Aside from the crazy lifestyle, I think trucking is more dangerous since it's mixed with regular 4 wheeler traffic and I think our highway infracture is always behind supporting this kind of freight shipping from repairs or adding lanes.


With that said, I don't think it's realistic to eliminate trucks, but it would be interesting if this could be done with less trucks or smaller trucks along with expanded rail. The rail can't realistically go to every store, but if the yard it closer with a decent sized Cross-Dock, maybe we could have less big trucks.

Maybe more day cabs with smaller trailers like this.

http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/charles_danko/2009/04-30/4-17-09--cape-may-nj-pics-004.jpg

[Cabal]

How are the products going to get from the rail yard to the store? :confused:


Obviously all the brilliant snowflakes that will be getting free liberal arts degrees will invent teleportation, right after they're done putting the final nails into the coffin of the market economy, and amending the constitution with 50 additional identity-specific positive rights.

[navy-vet]

What is it with socialists and railroads?! There's always seemed to be this love affair with them.

Is it because trains can only go forward and backwards? Because they have strict controls? They can only go where the rails allow them to go?

I'm not sure what it is, but there is something about the symbolism of the rails that is overwhelmingly endearing to these people. Is it because rail transportation was first introduced as "progress"?

An interesting thought on the subject from perspective of HDT: http://anthologyoi.com/literature-thoreaus-consideration-of-the-railroad-is-a-blessing-a-curse-and-a-symbol/
Boxcars are ideal for moving the sheeple to the camps.

[hells_unicorn]

There are always other things that they can do. If it increases productivity it makes the country wealthier, which in turn creates new opportunities. Every advancement in productivity causes some transient displacement, but that gets worked out over time and makes us all better off.

The problem is that this stuff only gets worked out if the country actually does get wealthier. Won't happen with someone like Bernie Sanders, he thinks wealth is evil unless the government has all of it, and personally I wouldn't trust an atheistic ne'er-do-well like him to change out a flat tire, let alone try to run an economy. Not to mention that Sanders giving people astronomical unemployment benefits would have these people sapping up some of that productivity.

Cutting subsidies is fine by me. Cutting it to move it over to some boondoggle choo-choo train program out of Atlas Shrugged strikes me as retarded.

[Suzanimal]

He's thinking too small. How about a tube transport system like in Futurama?

:cool:


Oh, right! I forgot: Victory Gin ... (which can also be used as deodorant ...)

Well, there won't be any stores - so you'll have to walk to your local train station once a month.

Just don't forget your ration card ...

I don't want to feel the Bern. :(


Obviously all the brilliant snowflakes that will be getting free liberal arts degrees will invent teleportation, right after they're done putting the final nails into the coffin of the market economy, and amending the constitution with 50 additional identity-specific positive rights.

I wish I could laugh.

[misterx]

The problem is that this stuff only gets worked out if the country actually does get wealthier. Won't happen with someone like Bernie Sanders, he thinks wealth is evil unless the government has all of it, and personally I wouldn't trust an atheistic ne'er-do-well like him to change out a flat tire, let alone try to run an economy. Not to mention that Sanders giving people astronomical unemployment benefits would have these people sapping up some of that productivity.

Cutting subsidies is fine by me. Cutting it to move it over to some boondoggle choo-choo train program out of Atlas Shrugged strikes me as retarded.

I concur. Nothing can work while someone like Bernie is president. Bernie or not though, the government's role in something like this should begin and end with eliminating subsidies. If it's worth doing, the free market will handle the rest.

[Danke]

http://imgur.com/l43K6hZ.jpg

I think that sums up most of what everybody would respond to Suzi's posts. Probably Mr. Animal's too

[Southron]

If the subsidies are the problem, then eliminate them. Freight rates will increase and the trucking companies can just pass the cost on to the consumer.

75% of accidents involving trucks are the fault of people in 4 wheeled vehicles.

I think it's highly unlikely you will be able to run automated trucks for the majority of trucking anytime soon. They would need a dedicated lane on highways where they didn't interact with cars. And that still doesn't get stuff delivered.

[Zippyjuan]

I was travelling along the Interstate 80 corridor this summer. It was almost bumper to bumper with trucks carrying goods back and forth across the country. Along side the road came trains also carrying goods. Most of them which counted were pulling 100 cars and they too came by at regular intervals. We need both trains and trucks.

[puppetmaster]

I dunno. I drove semi-trucks myself for 2 years and that seemed like daily lunacy to me.

I did drive to pickup freight from Train Yards and Airports to and felt envy for the pilots and train conductors who did not have to park their vehicles in the equivalent of a shitty truck stop or hunt for parking. Many parking areas are dangerous for the drivers because for reasons I don't understand crazy people, drug addicts, or sometimes thieves harass the drivers and truckstops. I've come across to many fucked up people at travel stop plazas.

Aside from the crazy lifestyle, I think trucking is more dangerous since it's mixed with regular 4 wheeler traffic and I think our highway infracture is always behind supporting this kind of freight shipping from repairs or adding lanes.


With that said, I don't think it's realistic to eliminate trucks, but it would be interesting if this could be done with less trucks or smaller trucks along with expanded rail. The rail can't realistically go to every store, but if the yard it closer with a decent sized Cross-Dock, maybe we could have less big trucks.

Maybe more day cabs with smaller trailers like this.

http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/charles_danko/2009/04-30/4-17-09--cape-may-nj-pics-004.jpg smaller equals more.

[VIDEODROME]

smaller equals more.

Maybe if Rail is expanded and closer to delivery sites, there could be less need of the bigger trucks doing long hauls. There might be more smaller trucks getting things from the rail yard to local stores, but I wonder if those smaller lighter trucks would put less wear and tear on the roads.

Also something worth considering that I've dealt with is sometimes those full size semi-trucks are not fully loaded. For example, I was once dispatched to drive a single pallet from Arkansas to the border in Laredo, TX on a 53 ft trailer.

For what it's worth, companies like FedEx operate with 'Pup' Trailers that can be doubled up. Both companies operate in my town and I've never seen them pull doubles.

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