Obama: Government Can't Let Smartphones Be 'Black Boxes'

[DamianTV]

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/03/11/2336205/obama-government-cant-let-smartphones-be-black-boxes
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-03-11/obama-confronts-a-skeptical-silicon-valley-at-south-by-southwest


President Obama said Friday that smartphones -- like the iPhone the FBI is trying to force Apple to help it hack -- can't be allowed to be "black boxes," inaccessible to the government. He believes technology companies should work with the government on encryption rather than leaving the issue for Congress to decide. He went on to say, "If your argument is strong encryption no matter what, and we can and should create black boxes, that I think does not strike the kind of balance we have lived with for 200, 300 years, and it's fetishizing our phones above every other value." Obama's appearance on Friday at the event known as SXSW, the first by a sitting president, comes as the FBI tries to force Apple to help investigators access an iPhone used by one of the assailants in December's deadly San Bernardino, California, terror attack. "The question we now have to ask is, if technologically it is possible to make an impenetrable device or system, where the encryption is so strong there's no key, there's no door at all, then how do we apprehend the child pornographer? How do we solve or disrupt a terrorist plot?" Obama said. "If in fact you can't crack that at all, government can't get in, then everybody's walking around with a Swiss bank account in their pocket." He said compromise is possible and the technology industry must help design it.

*sigh*

[GunnyFreedom]

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[Origanalist]

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/03/11/2336205/obama-government-cant-let-smartphones-be-black-boxes
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-03-11/obama-confronts-a-skeptical-silicon-valley-at-south-by-southwest



*sigh*

Obama could ruin a Somalians wet dream.

[TheTexan]

Just make encryption illegal, problem solved

[Mach]

So Obama is for tapping human brains, because if he could read and track peoples brains, then he could stop them from doing those terrible things.



http://www.google.com/patents/US6587729

[DamianTV]

Just make encryption illegal, problem solved

So many different things we could say about this...

Just make freedom illegal?

When encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption? (and variants)
When freedom is outlawed, only outlaws will have freedom?

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Encryption is not a crime. It never has been, and never will be. Encryption is no more of a crime than two people talking in private who do not record what they say to each other. If the government gets its way, should it ever be allowed to prohibit encryption, the next step would be to demand that people are not allowed to communicate at all without surveillance for the simple manner of speaking is in and of itself a form of obfuscation of information which would be deemed a crime against a government.

We are now all of us treated as criminals, guilty until proven innocent by a government free of the restraints and restrictions of the Constitution. They now only operate to support their own needs and futures at the expense of all others. In order to have complete and total control of an entire society, a series of rulers must have complete and total control of the surveillance of all of its subjects so that when the idea finally arises that we do not need the leaders as much as they need the blood in our chests and the sweat on our backs, those people will turn against the parasitic rulers who condemn the futures of all for the temporary and fleeting sake of a few.

Their continued and focused efforts to eliminate privacy in all of its forms is a symptom that our society has begun to waste, exhaust, and murder itself. Had the balance of power between the government and the governed been properly maintained, the governed would have continued to provide their consent.

- ICE BERG! DEAD AHEAD! Captain, what should we do?
- We must stay the course!

And we all know how that turned out.

[Ronin Truth]

How about if we buy them from Europe or Asia?

[TheTexan]

How about if we buy them from Europe or Asia?

That's actually a really good idea, as I don't think they have discovered encryption yet. It's illegal to export encryption technology outside of the US, so it'll probably be quite some time before Europe or Asia discover how to encrypt things on their own.

[Spikender]

"Then everyone's walking around with a Swiss Bank account in their pocket."

If only, then I would be proud of this country again.

[DamianTV]

Tech isnt the problem. Its the general attitude our govt has towards respecting its people. Right now, its quite obvious they have none and plan to give us even less in the future.

[enhanced_deficit]

We should allow whatever it takes to defend our freedoms and our way of life.

[euphemia]

Nine more months and we don't have to hear from Obama ever again. Jan 20, 2017 won't come fast enough.

[DamianTV]

Nine more months and we don't have to hear from Obama ever again. Jan 20, 2017 won't come fast enough.

Yeah, Obama said that, but didnt the Trumpmonster also say he would force Apple to decrypt the phone too? Im sure Hittlary would have said the same thing as well. It doesnt seem to matter who says what, the narrative is always the same.

Anyone know what Judge Andrew Napolitano has to say on this matter?

[euphemia]

Anyone know what Judge Andrew Napolitano has to say on this matter?

Yes, actually. Do a search on this forum. The article was on FoxNews. He is against forcing Apple to decrypt the phone and for good reason.

[euphemia]

Never mind. Link. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?490793-Judge-Nap-Apple-s-Involuntary-Servitude&highlight=napolitano)

[DamianTV]

Never mind. Link. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?490793-Judge-Nap-Apple-s-Involuntary-Servitude&highlight=napolitano)

Thank you. Forgot where I had read that. I think "The Judge" has earned himself the title of "The Honorable Judge Napolitano".

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Back on topic:

Obama administration moves to formalize annihilation of the 4th Amendment
http://personalliberty.com/obama-administration-moves-to-formalize-annihilation-of-the-4th-amendment/


It’s no secret that communications data gathered by the National Security Agency has, contrary to government assurances, been used by domestic law enforcement agencies. And now, government spies and their lawyers are working to finalize a new set of rules that will give an official stamp of approval to this abuse of Americans’ 4th Amendment rights.

In fall 2014, the Electronic Frontier Foundation noted that some Patriot Act spy provisions put into place to catch terrorists were actually being used overwhelmingly by domestic law enforcement agencies. At the heart of the controversy were so-called “sneak-and-peek” powers which allowed federal law enforcement officials to quietly access information that would usually require a warrant.

EFF reported at the time:

Out of the 3,970 total requests from October 1, 2009 to September 30, 2010, 3,034 were for narcotics cases and only 37 for terrorism cases (about .9%). Since then, the numbers get worse. The 2011 report reveals a total of 6,775 requests. 5,093 were used for drugs, while only 31 (or .5%) were used for terrorism cases. The 2012 report follows a similar pattern: Only .6%, or 58 requests, dealt with terrorism cases. The 2013 report confirms the incredibly low numbers. Out of 11,129 reports only 51, or .5%, of requests were used for terrorism. The majority of requests were overwhelmingly for narcotics cases, which tapped out at 9,401 requests.

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The spying of the US govt is done on behalf of the Money Powers and done to the American People. Most of us have said in some form that the spying on everyone has NOTHING to do with stopping terrorism.

[Weston White]

Cryptography has existed literally since written language. Could government compel an individual to decrypt their own recorded works as well? One of the earliest known forms of cryptography:


Some clay tablets from Mesopotamia somewhat later are clearly meant to protect information—one dated near 1500 BCE was found to encrypt a craftsman's recipe for pottery glaze, presumably commercially valuable.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Tablet_Rimush_Louvre_AO5476.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_tablet

Also ciphers, such as Caesar cipher, have existed in ancient Greece since 500 BCE.

[Weston White]

President Obama said Friday that smartphones can't be allowed to be "black boxes," inaccessible to the government.

And Americans said for the last several decades that national security cannot be allowed to be "black boxes," inaccessible to the citizenry.

[Valli6]

And how did the audience respond to Obama's statement? Were there boos or silence?

[wizardwatson]

"Transparency will be a cornerstone of my administration. - Obama"

When it comes to your personal phone. But not when it comes to international trade deals that effects businesses, jobs and future generations. For the big stuff you need to trust us.

[TheTexan]

And how did the audience respond to Obama's statement? Were there boos or silence?

Or cheers?

[Ronin Truth]

Did Native Americans encrypt their smoke signals?

Did the founding fathers use encryption during the Revolution?

[wizardwatson]

Wrong thread

[Ronin Truth]

The government is just all pissy because they can't crack 'Telegram'. Bring out your secret quantum computers, for the effort. :p

[Root]

We should allow whatever it takes to defend our freedoms and our way of life.
sarcasm?

[presence]

then everybody's walking around with a Swiss bank account in their pocket

right because those are supposed to be for the 1% only

lol

[jllundqu]

Encryption and anonymity can't be stopped. They are coming and there's nothing .gov can do about it. 3d printing, digital currency, encryption, ... can't be stopped.

[presence]

Encryption and anonymity can't be stopped. They are coming and there's nothing .gov can do about it. 3d printing, digital currency, encryption, ... can't be stopped.


its almost funny to watch though

the governments attempts to ban things like bitcoin, cyptography... its almost like the church trying to ban heliocentrism

its not an unprecedented level of dumbass by any means

[DamianTV]

its almost funny to watch though

the governments attempts to ban things like bitcoin, cyptography... its almost like the church trying to ban heliocentrism

its not an unprecedented level of dumbass by any means

Russia Bans Bitcoin
http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/07/russia-bans-bitcoin/

Oh, and...

Microsoft stops accepting Bitcoin in Windows Store
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/14/microsoft_stops_accepting_bitcoin_in_windows_store/