H1B VISA HELP!

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

Hey everyone, I was wondering if you could link me a good article or scholarly paper on worker visas. I have a individual whom I've spoken to, I am obviously against them, and she believes everything that she has ever read in a newspaper. I'm hoping you guys have a mises article or something. I tried your standard duckduckgo search, and nothing compelling came up. Thanks!

[timosman]

Have you looked at this thread? - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?491295-Trump-softens-H1B-visa-policy-during-GOP-debate

[Ronin Truth]

h1b visa

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=h1b+visa&gbv=2&oq=H1B&gs_l=heirloom-hp.1.0.0i131l2j0l8.24293063.24294485.0.24300110.3. 3.0.0.0.0.390.796.2-2j1.3.0....0...1ac.1.34.heirloom-hp..0.3.796.wb-D09xu7NE

[timosman]

https://www.google.com/search?q=h1b+visa+scam

[erowe1]

Hey everyone, I was wondering if you could link me a good article or scholarly paper on worker visas. I have a individual whom I've spoken to, I am obviously against them, and she believes everything that she has ever read in a newspaper. I'm hoping you guys have a mises article or something. I tried your standard duckduckgo search, and nothing compelling came up. Thanks!

When you say you're against them, you mean that people should be able to come to the USA from anywhere in the world and get a job without needing any visa or any other paperwork. Right?

Is so, then you're right, and it should be easy enough to argue for that just by simple moral principles.

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

When you say you're against them, you mean that people should be able to come to the USA from anywhere in the world and get a job without needing any visa or any other paperwork. Right?

Is so, then you're right, and it should be easy enough to argue for that just by simple moral principles.


Well yea, but she has a degree in Economics (Keynesian) and she is hyper focused on the economic side of it, not the moral side of it.

My case has been basically: The Visas allow for a government created monopoly on labor in which the American Worker cannot compete. It leads to low wages, poor working conditions, and inefficiency within the specific market.

However, if the free market was allowed to work, the wages would go up, as the companies would have to compete for US Labor, and as wages go up, prices would naturally have to go down or stay the same, in order to compete with the otherwise stable international market. It would force efficiency and innovation in order to keep prices low, and encourage higher wages and better working conditions in order to compete for workers.

At the end of the day, you may get a bunch of high school kids out in the fields for 10 dollars an hour (which is a good thing) or it might lead to an innovation where a new machine can decrease the need for labor (which is also a good thing)

On top of that, I made the case for rational immigration reform while not opening borders. A 1800s type approach to immigration. Where we are selective, safe, and prosperous.

"The invisible hand cannot work if it is handcuffed to government protection of failure".

[erowe1]

Well yea, but she has a degree in Economics (Keynesian) and she is hyper focused on the economic side of it, not the moral side of it.

My case has been basically: The Visas allow for a government created monopoly on labor in which the American Worker cannot compete. It leads to low wages, poor working conditions, and inefficiency within the specific market.

However, if the free market was allowed to work, the wages would go up, as the companies would have to compete for US Labor, and as wages go up, prices would naturally have to go down or stay the same, in order to compete with the otherwise stable international market. It would force efficiency and innovation in order to keep prices low, and encourage higher wages and better working conditions in order to compete for workers.

At the end of the day, you may get a bunch of high school kids out in the fields for 10 dollars an hour (which is a good thing) or it might lead to an innovation where a new machine can decrease the need for labor (which is also a good thing)

On top of that, I made the case for rational immigration reform while not opening borders. A 1800s type approach to immigration. Where we are selective, safe, and prosperous.

"The invisible hand cannot work if it is handcuffed to government protection of failure".

So wait, you're arguing that these foreign workers shouldn't be allowed to come here and work for lower wages than American workers?

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

So wait, you're arguing that these foreign workers shouldn't be allowed to come here and work for lower wages than American workers?

Under government mandate, yes. See, the government grants the contracts, which undercuts the economy. By eliminating the visas, you take away the government granted monopoly of labor. I'm all for foreign workers coming here to work for lower wages...for work permits to come here to work freely in an open market, but I'm not for the the government monopoly, no.

[erowe1]

Under government mandate, yes. See, the government grants the contracts, which undercuts the economy. By eliminating the visas, you take away the government granted monopoly of labor. I'm all for foreign workers coming here to work for lower wages...for work permits to come here to work freely in an open market, but I'm not for the the government monopoly, no.

You're saying that the government mandates that companies hire people with H1B visas? It's not those companies' choice to do that?

Where does this government monopoly that you're talking about come in?

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

You're saying that the government mandates that companies hire people with H1B visas? It's not those companies' choice to do that?

Where does this government monopoly that you're talking about come in?

No, you misunderstand my point. The government doesn't mandate (as in socialism) it facilitates (as in fascism). It allows a separate class of workers in the market, who are completely willing to work for extremely poor wages in extremely poor conditions. This class of worker are essentially the paid property of the company for the term of the contract, as they are kicked from their country if they are fired or quit. It is different from an individual seeking employment, willing to work for poor wages and poor conditions (which is completely fine)....this is government packaging this group and providing them to companies, who then do not have to worry about competing for American workers, as they have a steady source of gov. protected cheap labor.

It is blanketly exploiting foreigners, at the expense of the American worker, for the profit of companies, through the unconstitutional power of the federal gov.

By re-forcing competition on these companies (and as I said, we obviously should be letting people in to work and compete in a free market), all of the benefits of free enterprise returns

Higher wages
Higher productivity
More efficiency
Lower Prices
More Innovation
ect


The companies and the government does not want to do that because...simply, it threatens their monopolies and their source of cheap labor....it allows small businesses to compete with them (and since bureaucracy sucks....probably bury them)

H1-B Visas are a barrier to trade...it has nothing to do with free trade.

[presence]

https://www.google.com/search?q=h1b+creates+underclass&gws_rd=ssl
https://www.google.com/webhp#q=h1b+caste+system
https://www.google.com/webhp#q=h1b+slavery

(https://www.google.com/webhp#q=h1b+slavery)


A Hidden Underclass Created by the Lack of STEM ... (http://shenlinlab.com/Blog%20Topics%20html/Immigration.html)

shenlinlab.com/Blog%20Topics%20html/Immigration.html
Jul 26, 2014 - A Hidden Underclass Created by the Lack of STEM Immigration Reform ... on H1B visas in STEM fields to this type of faster-paced application.



MoveOn Petitions - Stop H1B abuse (http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/stop-h1b-abuse)

petitions.moveon.org/sign/stop-h1b-abuse
MoveOn.org
H1B visa abuse by corporate America has created an underclass of tech workers who are now temp workers. No benefits, no vacation pay, no nothing. Wages ...


How H-1B Visas Are Screwing Tech Workers | Mother Jones (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/02/silicon-valley-h1b-visas-hurt-tech-workers)

www.motherjones.com/.../silicon-valley- (http://www.motherjones.com/.../silicon-valley-)h1b-visas-hurt-tec...
Feb 22, 2013 - Yet Matloff sees this changing as H-1B workers cause Americans to major in ... You cannot create/run a company when you are on a H1B visa.Missing: underclass


Tech Innovators Aren't Big Offshorers | Techdirt (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070724/214721.shtml)

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070724/214721.shtmlTechdirt
Jul 26, 2007 - The H1B program is just another instance of creating an artificial ... Temporary worker programs just create a underclass of workers and I ...

From techies in India to software slaves in US - Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/jobs/From-techies-in-India-to-software-slaves-in-US/articleshow/45927386.cms)

timesofindia.indiatimes.com › Tech
The Times of India
Jan 18, 2015 - Here's a Janus image for you. On the one side, half a dozen H-1B workers bunkered in a choked 'guesthouse' in America, anxious to be ...

Modern day slavery: H-1B visa - Daily Kos (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/31/672913/-)

www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/31/672913/-
aily Kos
Dec 31, 2008 - I think I am exploited... I am on H1b visa, Sponsor of my H1b could not find me a job for more than 6 months and finally decided to hire me in his ...

The H1B issue is not simply salary as measured in absolute ... (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4660911)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4660911

Hacker News
Most H1B workers are under 30, and most unemployed American programmers are over 35. This is ... Visa handcuffs are not slavery per say, but close enough.

The H1B: Our Modern World's Indentured Servitude | Shall ... (http://www.pagunblog.com/2011/12/20/the-h1b-our-modern-worlds-indentured-servitude/)

www.pagunblog.com/.../the-h1b-our-modern-worlds-indentured-servitu...

Dec 20, 2011 - For those of you not in the tech industry, H1B is basically where a company sponsors an .... Then they got some South Korean H1B slaves.

H1B Slavery: View from the Inside ~ The Drunken Economist (http://mindtaker.blogspot.com/2011/04/h1b-slavery-from-inside.html)

mindtaker.blogspot.com/2011/04/h1b-slavery-from-inside.html

Apr 18, 2011 - Hello kids, it's your Uncle Drunky. Live and direct I bring you a unique perspective of Slavery 2.0. From the inside. If you're an American, unless ...

H1-B Visa Program Creates Caste System for Silicon Valley ... (http://www.sfweekly.com/sanfrancisco/h1-b-visa-program-creates-caste-system-for-silicon-valley/Content?oid=2181929)www.sfweekly.com/.../h1-b-visa...caste-system.../Content?oid...


SF Weekly


Jun 22, 2011 - It's cumbersome for H1-B workers to change employers without being deported. So we have a Silicon Valley caste system where H1-Bs have a ...



Are Foreigners Smarter Than US Workers? | Mother Jones (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/02/h1b-visa-bloomberg-foreign-workers-smarter)www.motherjones.com/.../h1b-visa-bloomberg-foreign-wor...




Mother Jones


Mar 1, 2013 - The US needs "an immigration system that brings the best, brightest, and ... it's interesting how H1-B visas go largely to IT workers and at a time when .... countries on Earth; don't you still have a caste system over their in?



The H-1B visa program is a scam - BetaNews (http://betanews.com/2015/06/16/the-h-1b-visa-program-is-a-scam/)betanews.com/2015/06/16/the-h-1b-visa-program-is-a-scam/




Jun 16, 2015 - IMHO, the intent of the H1B program is valid and correct. ... For example, caste system, flagrant gender discrimination, cheating, lying, ...



Silicon Valley's Indian Community Pushes to Reform H1B ... (http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2016/02/11/silicon-valleys-indian-community-pushes-to-reform-h1b-visa-program)ww2.kqed.org/.../silicon-valleys-indian-community-pushes-to-reform-h1...




Feb 11, 2016 - The H1B visa is such a big deal for the Indian expatriate community in Silicon Valley ... some Indians on H1Bs, like Avinash Conda, are trying to change the system. ..... American is soft, ignorant to caste, h1b visa abuses etc.



Abolish H1B Visa program | Petition2Congress (http://www.petition2congress.com/7637/abolish-h1b-visa-program/view/3)www.petition2congress.com/7637/abolish-h1b-visa-program/view/3




The original intent of the H1B program was to fill in the gaps where there were no ..... no modern mass transit system to speak of, a stifling caste-system, extreme ...

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

Interesting. Thank you!