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Suzanimal
02-20-2016, 04:52 AM
Legal marijuana sales in Colorado and Washington State have grossed billions, but legal dealers will see little of that thanks to a draconian federal law meant to punish street pushers.

In one of the first years of legal sales, 2015, Colorado moved nearly $1 billion worth of marijuana and is estimated to take in $135 million in taxes on it. Meanwhile, Washington is expected to pull in around $1 billion in revenue from sales taxes between 2015 and 2019. Despite technically being illegal on the federal level, these businesses must file taxes to the Internal Revenue Service—and they may pay as much as 70 percent in taxes to the feds.

That’s thanks to Section 280E of the tax code. Congress passed the measure in 1982 so that businesses who are “trafficking in controlled substances” that are prohibited by federal law may not utilize many tax deductions and credits available to other businesses, like deducting rent and employee-related expenses. That means a marijuana business owner can pay an effective tax rate as high as 70 percent, as opposed to the more typical 30 percent rate.

It came about when a Minneapolis drug dealer named Jeffrey Edmondson tried to argue in court that he should be allowed to write off expenses related to his business. That greedy bastard.

“280E was more a political statement than a model of tax policy,” Pat Oglesby, a North Carolina lawyer who has worked on tax policy for Congress, told The Daily Beast. He said the war on drugs was “raging” and no one bothered to question any laws that made them look tough on drugs.

“The 280E provision was so politically bulletproof that no committee bothered to even hold hearings,” Oglesby said. Drug laws were accepted as quickly as one might accept free drugs.

Despite the fact that marijuana is still a Schedule I controlled substance (illegal), the IRS doesn’t have the capacity to check if every business it deals with is legal on a federal level.

“It’s hard enough to collect taxes, much less make other determinations,” Oglesby said. He also noted that marijuana businesses would be at risk of tax-evasion charges if they didn’t pay proper federal taxes.

Marijuana businesses have to register and incorporate in states and that puts them on the IRS radar. Just because the business is illegal according to federal law doesn’t mean the IRS doesn’t expect them to pay federal taxes, since the states are allowing them to operate and demanding their own cut.
Sky-high federal taxes on top of state taxes can make it almost impossible to operate a legal business.

“When I sat down to read the tax code I was not shocked that such a short paragraph could really be the cause for all the alarm,” Tim Cullen, CEO of the Denver-based marijuana grower and retailer Colorado Harvest Co., told The Daily Beast.

The effect of the tax code has been “nothing short of discrimination,” he added.

“The IRS has placed itself in a position of being both judge and jury,” Cullen said. “They have ruled on the morality of medical marijuana by applying a different set of rules to our business simply because they don’t like it.”

Ian Eisenberg, owners of the Uncle Ike’s cannabis store in Seattle, said he has seen many people getting into the marijuana industry try to create a business model that is far too expensive before realizing they have to scale down.

“Everything from how the stores laid out to merchandising to inventory management, [the tax code] dictates how the business operates,” Eisenberg said. He said he’d love to open a boutique marijuana store with a large floor space and stations for concentrate, edibles, specific growers and more, but the tax burden makes the unreasonable.

“Instead it’s more like a 7-Eleven, because it’s all about efficiency,” Eisenberg said. People dream of opening a marijuana palace and they get a marijuana warehouse.

Paul Armentano, the deputy director of the marijuana advocacy organization NORML, told The Daily Beast that national legalization or decriminalization of marijuana likely won’t happen immediately, so the tax code should at least be fixed to let businesses make deductions.
Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) introduced The Small Business Tax Equity Act last year that would let marijuana businesses that are compliant with state law make standard business deductions. The bill has been stuck in committee since then though.

A representative from the IRS told The Daily Beast that 280E was introduced by Congress, so it is not a policy from the agency.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/18/feds-slap-70-tax-on-legal-marijuana-businesses.html

tod evans
02-20-2016, 06:34 AM
Wrong premise for discussion, I'd rather see a discussion about the legality and morality of the IRS itself......

But this has weed as a buzzword so the issue will focus on taxing mind alterants instead of tax itself......

Mani
02-21-2016, 09:35 PM
You knew it was only a matter of time before someone at the federal level found a way to hurt the business at the state level. Surprised it took so long, but it took them this long because the tax book is a zillion pages and they had to go back all the way to the early 80's to find something.

idiom
02-21-2016, 09:39 PM
That means a marijuana business owner can pay an effective tax rate as high as 70 percent, as opposed to the more typical 30 percent rate.

People should use this rate when discussing the corporate tax rate. The rate sans deductions.

forsmant
02-21-2016, 09:39 PM
Also they know now some of the effects of legalizing the substance. There will be a marijuana cartel in the united states within my life time. And it will be legally sanctioned. Which is less violent.

Libertas Aut Mortis
02-21-2016, 11:41 PM
Federal Tax on something that is a Federal Crime to purchase...very interesting.

idiom
02-21-2016, 11:46 PM
Federal Tax on something that is a Federal Crime to purchase...very interesting.

By my reading its the tax rate for all illegal businesses.

I guess, just don't show a profit then you can't get Capone'd. Just make sure you file.

Libertas Aut Mortis
02-21-2016, 11:56 PM
I honestly wish that the government would roll into Colorado and mass detain every single person violating a Federal Law.

That. That would force the American People to be jolted awake to the Tyranny ready to be let off the leash.

Mani
02-22-2016, 02:33 AM
So are they going to destroy all the independent legal MJ companies and when people cry and demand that this substance should be available legally the gov't can eventually swoop in to save the day and keep this a completely government controlled substance sold legally at gov't sanctioned dispensaries because only the gov't can be responsible enough to regulate, control, grow, produce a product so dangerous as this. An outside company could take shortcuts and produce something dangerous for your health. Only the state can control the quality so they can take over, reap 100% of the profits.

And since it is legally available most of the masses die down since they got what they wanted, free market be damned.

asurfaholic
02-22-2016, 05:27 AM
I honestly wish that the government would roll into Colorado and mass detain every single person violating a Federal Law.

That. That would force the American People to be jolted awake to the Tyranny ready to be let off the leash.

Apparently you are not from the USA. The entire east coast would stand up and cheer for putting those druggie hippies in their rightful place, and the west coast will moan because Dancing with the Stars got moved back an hour from its normal programming slot.

Nobody gives a shit about anything the government does.

Working Poor
02-22-2016, 07:11 AM
Well I was worried about the cartels loosing out on business. I can see this tax will help them to keep black market pot in the free market. I have heard the quality has gone up while the price remains below legal market pricing.

Libertas Aut Mortis
02-22-2016, 07:56 AM
Apparently you are not from the USA. The entire east coast would stand up and cheer for putting those druggie hippies in their rightful place, and the west coast will moan because Dancing with the Stars got moved back an hour from its normal programming slot.

Nobody gives a shit about anything the government does.

What was I thinking?!?!

Sometimes I forget to ground myself in the cold hard reality that the People of America actually resent Liberty.

asurfaholic
02-22-2016, 09:11 AM
What was I thinking?!?!

Sometimes I forget to ground myself in the cold hard reality that the People of America actually resent Liberty.

Personally I just laugh to myself anytime I hear anyone say the words "rise up against the government" just to keep myself from getting pissed.

Too many people simply can't fathom that the very government they are sucking up to, is the root of almost all the evil in the world.

brushfire
02-22-2016, 09:30 AM
The federal government is acknowledging their lack of jurisdiction. They're basically admitting that they dont have the authority to impose their "pot laws" on the states, when it comes to the growing/consuming/selling marijuana.

Just like executive orders... A model of how government works. When there's no means to accomplish the desired task via intended channels, look to exploit a back door.

pcosmar
02-22-2016, 09:42 AM
Also they know now some of the effects of legalizing the substance. There will be a marijuana cartel in the united states within my life time. And it will be legally sanctioned. Which is less violent.

???

Cartels? I expect grower/producer associations..

but I suppose you could call such a cartel,,, but why?

oh,, perhaps the same reason they did so with Mexican growers and producers.

Dianne
02-22-2016, 10:13 AM
Colorado and Washington should secede, and declare themselves independent countries within the U.S. Think of all the revenue they would make. People would move there from all parts of the country, and they could tell the Feds to f'k off.

brushfire
02-22-2016, 10:14 AM
???

Cartels? I expect grower/producer associations..

but I suppose you could call such a cartel,,, but why?

oh,, perhaps the same reason they did so with Mexican growers and producers.

There's already a US cartel, and its been operating out of DC since the 1970's.

donnay
02-22-2016, 10:44 AM
Tax collectors for Big pHARMa.

asurfaholic
02-22-2016, 11:20 AM
Tax collectors for Big pHARMa.

This gets me thinking-

Do big pharma companies pay an effective tax rate of 70%? After all, the law states that if they sell controlled substances they can't claim deductions...... Would be my defense if I was in the green business.

Sonny Tufts
02-22-2016, 11:27 AM
This gets me thinking-

Do big pharma companies pay an effective tax rate of 70%? After all, the law states that if they sell controlled substances they can't claim deductions...... Would be my defense if I was in the green business.

Only sales that are illegal under state or federal law are subject to the no-deduction rule.

surf
02-22-2016, 12:01 PM
Colorado and Washington should secede, and declare themselves independent countries within the U.S. Think of all the revenue they would make. People would move there from all parts of the country, and they could tell the Feds to f'k off.but, but, but how will we be able to keep those pesky Canadians from invading? we'll need a wall on our southern border (that Oregonians will pay for) to keep those Oregon rapists (Ducks and Timbers fans) away.

on a side note: "legal" retail prices now compete with non-sanctioned retail prices

NoOneButPaul
02-22-2016, 07:13 PM
The headline is misleading. I've talked to the owners of my grow about this and they've been having to pay this from the beginning. Let's not act like the tax just got "slapped" on them, they knew going in how badly they were going to get taxed. This didn't just spring up overnight.

Having said that it's absolute bullshit my bosses, and everyone else, are forced to pay this.