Lawmaker to trans community: 'Sorry you're so twisted'

[presence]

"you're so twisted you don't even know who you are"

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/f2e20fac824c2410671381ed148a9a8a4d5796b0/r=x329&c=580x326/http/assets.gannettdigital.com/-mm-/0f048ec21a66b50ec466f222353e9c7eda859815/c=0-71-531-371/local/-/media/SiouxFalls/2014/02/12/davidomdahl.jpg


State Sen. David Omdahl, R-Sioux Falls, told constituents at a legislative coffee (http://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2016/02/05/live-10-m-legislative-coffee-sioux-falls/79907900/) event Saturday morning that he planned to vote for a bill that would bar transgender students from using bathrooms, locker rooms and shower facilities of the gender with which they identify if they don't correspond with their biological sex.


http://www.argusleader.com/story/blogs/danaferguson/2016/02/06/lawmaker-trans-community-sorry-youre-so-twisted/79933180/

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Transgender bathroom bill passes through South Dakota Legislature (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/17/transgender-bathroom-bill-passes-through-south-dakota-legislature.html)

Fox News-5 hours ago
PIERRE, S.D. – South Dakota would be the first state in the U.S. to approve a law requiring transgender students to use bathrooms and locker ...

South Dakota could be first state to ban transgender students in ... (http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/17/politics/south-dakota-school-restrooms-transgender-bill/)
CNN-6 hours ago
South Dakota senate passes transgender bathroom bill (http://www.wapt.com/politics/s-dakota-senate-passes-transgender-bill/38035578)
WAPT Jackson-41 minutes ago
South Dakota Could Pass 'Bathroom Bill' Affecting Transgender ... (http://time.com/4220345/south-dakota-bathroom-bill-religious-freedom/)
In-Depth-TIME-18 hours ago
Transgender bathroom bill awaits Daugaard's signature (http://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2016/02/16/sd-senate-transgender-bill/80453170/)
Highly Cited-Sioux Falls Argus Leader-12 hours ago
S. Dakota is first state to pass bill restricting transgender students ... (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/s-dakota-is-first-state-to-pass-bill-restricting-trans-kids-bathroom-use/2016/02/16/5cdf8fb6-d4df-11e5-b195-2e29a4e13425_story.html)
In-Depth-Washington Post-13 hours ago
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSQIxbIqKV4q1bmqQfZSxFVnrXQP81bW 3U_hWCw7KBjYQRNZCYUJ0MuMxjDPQJslu0KUmgSQJOP (http://www.wapt.com/politics/s-dakota-senate-passes-transgender-bill/38035578)

[nobody's_hero]

Well I'm glad to know that one state hasn't gone completely off the reality cliff into the abyss of safe spaces.

[Origanalist]

Well I'm glad to know that one state hasn't gone completely off the reality cliff into the abyss of safe spaces.

Safe for who?

[euphemia]

Safe for who?

Safe for whom?

Safe for the majority.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Will Tumblr organize a boycott of South Dakota?

[tod evans]

I've got an ex who would gladly stand outside their restrooms and remove excess penis's............:eek: :cool:

http://homeguides.sfgate.com/DM-Resize/photos.demandstudios.com/getty/article/103/172/78028007_XS.jpg?w=442&h=442&keep_ratio=1

[Tywysog Cymru]

"I am so glad to be leaving soon. I can escape the oppression that my home state wants to put on me."

"Oppression," "bigotry," "civil rights are being violated," do any of these words have any meaning anymore?

[presence]

damn tod I didn't know... I'm so sorry to hear that... explains a lot

[presence]

sorry can't help myself sometimes

[tod evans]

damn tod I didn't know... I'm so sorry to hear that... explains a lot

I walked right into that one didn't I?....:o

[bierdegarde]

Including artificial?

[Mani]

So this was a big enough problem in S. Dakota they needed to make it into law?

[Schifference]

Next there will be legislation for restrooms and lockers for transgender only.

[TheCount]

The bill is worded in an extremely strange way. It's specifically only students, and only public school bathrooms. A transgendered parent, teacher, or other non-student could utilize whatever bathroom they please. Also, this was probably a bad idea:


The term, biological sex, as used in this Act, means the physical condition of being male or female as determined by a person’s chromosomes and anatomy as identified at birth.

They're just going to get sued using an intersexed student as plaintiff and it'll go down in flames.

[tod evans]

They're just going to get sued using an intersexed student as plaintiff and it'll go down in flames.

What the fuck is an "intersexed"?

The fact that you expect people to actually know what you're talking about is downright scary...

[ghengis86]

What the fuck is an "intersexed"?

The fact that you expect people to actually know what you're talking about is downright scary...

Hermaphrodite? I'm not sure anymore either. This world is FUBAR. No one law is going to fix it, but I agree that for at least kids under 18 (maybe 16? 13?), their bath facilities should be separated by their plumbing.

Better still, abolish state schools and let the parents, communities and private schools decide.

[Anti Federalist]

"Oppression," "bigotry," "civil rights are being violated," do any of these words have any meaning anymore?

While at the same time the fedgov has everybody under a level of surveillance that exceeds East Germany or North Korea...so I would have to say, the answer is a resounding no.

[osan]

...
transgender...
gender...
Transgender...
transgender...
transgender...
transgender...
Transgender ...
Transgender...
transgender...

There are some forms of ignorance and laziness that are impossibly irritating. The use of "gender" in lieu of "sex" invites my hand to cause the taste of those uttering it to flee from their mouths upon wingèd slap, to return no more. Such personal transgressions deserve nothing less than this, for such willful laziness and doltery ought not be tolerated from people who should know better. Therefore, let them be trained the hard way if found to have apparently been sleeping during their lessons in grammar. And yes, this goes for me as well.

Most of the people of America ought to spend the first ten minutes of every waking day on their knees, thanking God Almighty that I am not Lord Of The World (http://www.classicly.com/download-lord-of-the-world-pdf). Unlike Hisownself, I would not be so forbearing.

Perhaps I need a large mug of tea. Yes, I believe so. Tea. Lots of tea...

[osan]

"Oppression," "bigotry," "civil rights are being violated," do any of these words have any meaning anymore?

Rhetorical question, yes?

[osan]

I've got an ex who would gladly stand outside their restrooms and remove excess penis's............:eek: :cool:

http://homeguides.sfgate.com/DM-Resize/photos.demandstudios.com/getty/article/103/172/78028007_XS.jpg?w=442&h=442&keep_ratio=1

Dayum, that bitch ugly... Note the empty, lifeless eye. Nice smile, though.

[osan]

I walked right into that one didn't I?....:o

Like a boss.

Thanks for brightening my day.

[Schifference]

Maybe all the acceptance of same sex relationships is part of the big plan. Get as many guys making it with guys and girls making it with girls and decrease the population.

[osan]

Including artificial?

Oh Unintended Consequence! Once more do I command thee rise from the great black pit!

I can see the headlines now... "State secures $9.2B in federal funding for penis detectors..."

[osan]

So this was a big enough problem in S. Dakota they needed to make it into law?


IIRC, SD passed a law last year when Omdahl discovered an ingrown hair on his ballsack. Passed unanimously.

Oh, and I find it endlessly disturbing to discover that the grammar checker on this machine doesn't flag "ballsack" as a non-word.

Yeah, we're all going to hell, you betcha.

[osan]

This world is FUBAR.

You possess the gift of understatement in disturbing abundance.


No one law is going to fix it...[QUOTE]

At this point I am not sure anything short of global thermonuclear war will manage that.

[QUOTE], but I agree that for at least kids under 18 (maybe 16? 13?), their bath facilities should be separated by their plumbing.

Meh... don't be so timid. If we're going to go crazy, I say pull out all the stops and see how far this bitch flies.


Better still, abolish state schools and let the parents, communities and private schools decide.

Heresy! BURN THE WITCH!!!!

[osan]

Maybe all the acceptance of same sex relationships is part of the big plan. Get as many guys making it with guys and girls making it with girls and decrease the population.

You think?

Besides, the latter bit is really hot, especially when I'm sandwiched between the two ho's.

[nobody's_hero]

So where does it end.

I'm an agoraphobic and it's oppression to expect me to have to use a public restroom where so many other people may be waiting in line outside the door or at the sink washing their hands.

I demand a law that states everyone else must leave the restroom whenever I have to pee. Accommodate me or I'll sue.

Oppression. Ooooooppppppppreeeeeessssssssssssssiiiiiiioooooooo oonnnnnnn

[rg17]

So Harry Reid and Linsdy Graham arnt allowed in the girls bathroom.

[TheCount]

What the fuck is an "intersexed"?

The fact that you expect people to actually know what you're talking about is downright scary...

It's a birth defect. An intersexed person is born with ambiguous genitals, such the doctor may not sure what sex they are. Could be both, could be none, could be whatever. It's more common than you'd think.

[presence]

It's a birth defect. An intersexed person is born with ambiguous genitals, such the doctor may not sure what sex they are. Could be both, could be none, could be whatever. It's more common than you'd think.

point of information

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12476264

Anne Fausto-Sterling s suggestion that the prevalence of intersex might be as high as 1.7% has attracted wide attention in both the scholarly press and the popular media. Many reviewers are not aware that this figure includes conditions which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex, such as Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. If the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female. Applying this more precise definition,

the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%,

almost 100 times lower than Fausto-Sterling s estimate of 1.7%.

about 1 in 5500; as opposed to the "It's more common than you'd think." meme of 1 in 58

[TheCount]

about 1 in 5500; as opposed to the "It's more common than you'd think." meme of 1 in 58

Sweet, so only 156 residents of South Dakota are prohibited from bathrooms.


Edit: Just to make it clear, my issue here is that the wording is vague and terrible. It's not 'what is on your birth certificate' or 'what is on your ID,' I presume because they're worried about other states which may be willing to change gender information on either of those. But saying something like 'gender based on chromosomes' or 'gender based on doctor at time of birth' ignores the fact that there's a portion of the population to which that does not apply. As I said in my original post, that is how they will get sued, and they will lose.

Then again, they probably do not care if it stands up in court... I'm guessing that this is not an actual problem in South Dakota, and is instead a way to earn political brownie points without offending (m)any constituents.

[presence]

Sweet, so only 156 residents of South Dakota are prohibited from bathrooms.



It would seem to me that asking the 156 individuals with half a penis to use the men's room would be a better solution than encouraging all the men with a whole penis to arbitrarily choose.


But saying something like 'gender based on chromosomes' or 'gender based on doctor at time of birth' ignores the fact that there's a portion of the population to which that does not apply.

if its worded that way, it actually gives those 156 individuals free choice; genotype or phenotype at birth. I see no issue with that for those rare cases: Allow people with genuine congenital intersex to use free choice of public facilities, while preventing genetic and pronounced voyeur males with mental illness out of the ladies room regardless of their immediate state of self mutilation. I think most of us are opposed to the presence individuals born both genetically and phonetically male in the ladies room.

[euphemia]

I would think that people with anomalies don't generally go around advertising it. They just use the restroom and leave. It's not a big production. Sexual abiguity is different than sexual fluidity. One is medically diagnosed. The other is a perversion.

[Theocrat]

I think we're all missing the fundamental issue which needs to be readdressed here: should we continue having government-run, publicly-funded schools? Because our public schools are controlled by public policy, the issue of transgenderism continues to be a politically-correct one, in which politicians must argue different aspects of transgenderism within the context of public opinion and not necessarily the objective ethical ramifications of transgenderism.

If our schools were private, then the issue of whether or not transgenders can use opposing restrooms would take care of itself. It would be up to private investors and parents of those schools, naturally.

[Dr.3D]

Saw a thread with the same posts as this one yesterday, except it had penises in the title.

[presence]

South Dakota Bans Penises from the Girls Bathroom


was a better thread title

:p

[Jingles]

Should gay men be banned from men's bathroom and lesbians from the girl's?

I just don't see how it is harmful in anyway for a MtF trans to be in a girl's restroom or a FtM in a man's restroom.

[Dr.3D]

South Dakota Bans Penises from the Girls Bathroom


was a better thread title

:p
Yeah, man, I seen that thread the other day.

Déjà vu

[parocks]

Sweet, so only 156 residents of South Dakota are prohibited from bathrooms.


Edit: Just to make it clear, my issue here is that the wording is vague and terrible. It's not 'what is on your birth certificate' or 'what is on your ID,' I presume because they're worried about other states which may be willing to change gender information on either of those. But saying something like 'gender based on chromosomes' or 'gender based on doctor at time of birth' ignores the fact that there's a portion of the population to which that does not apply. As I said in my original post, that is how they will get sued, and they will lose.

Then again, they probably do not care if it stands up in court... I'm guessing that this is not an actual problem in South Dakota, and is instead a way to earn political brownie points without offending (m)any constituents.

It's never a problem anywhere until it becomes a very serious problem the one place it becomes a problem.