Myth-Busters: Will Sanders Return His "Big Money" To Donors?

[Brian4Liberty]

Myth-Busters: Will Sanders Return His "Big Money" To Donors? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am-ZZlNHkKg)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am-ZZlNHkKg


Ron Paul gets to work on untangling another set of common myths. He sets the eminent domain argument straight, shines light on several Bernie Sanders fallacies, revisits his questioning of Ben Bernanke, and much more!

[ShaneEnochs]

Sanders shouldn't get away with the inconsistency of saying, "we're going to regulate money, except the money that comes to me, then we don't need to regulate it."

I find this to be a pretty bizarre attack. Sanders is saying that he wants to reverse Citizen's United and is funding his campaign through traditional means, ie grassroots donations. He isn't allowing any superpac money because he's walking the walk and wants money in politics to be regulated. What is it that RP is saying that he should be doing instead?

[hells_unicorn]

I find this to be a pretty bizarre attack. Sanders is saying that he wants to reverse Citizen's United and is funding his campaign through traditional means, ie grassroots donations. He isn't allowing any superpac money because he's walking the walk and wants money in politics to be regulated. What is it that RP is saying that he should be doing instead?

Speaking for myself, given that Sanders is a socialist I'd say that he should doing something along the lines of pissing off and getting a real job that actually creates something, primarily because regardless to how transparent his tactics are, his ideas will hurt untold multitudes of people.

[ShaneEnochs]

Speaking for myself, given that Sanders is a socialist I'd say that he should doing something along the lines of pissing off and getting a real job that actually creates something, primarily because regardless to how transparent his tactics are, his ideas will hurt untold multitudes of people.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I was behind Paul because he was anti-establishment. He brought together many coalitions of people, but I've always been very liberal. Since the 2012 election I've been traveling a lot to Europe and made a stop in Canada, and a lot of what he's proposing is working very well in those countries. My wife and I were in Sweden and most of their healthcare is paid through taxes, but they still have a small deductible even though it's pretty rare to hit it. We were talking about how much it was going to cost us to have our third child and the folks we were hanging out with just could not believe it. They honestly thought that we were lying. The guy said that their annual deductible was something like $100 USD.

The guy was also going to college completely free. And their minimum wage is like $18/hr USD.

The only real differences in prices in this "socialist" country was the price of groceries and gas. Most of the groceries were pretty comparable with the US except for meat. Meat was fucking expensive, but I'd assume that's because they don't have 600 million acres of pasture for cows. Gas was super duper expensive but we mostly just walked everywhere. It was honestly an awesome experience, and if it wasn't pretty much impossible to immigrate there, I'd definitely move there.

[Chester Copperpot]

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[Chester Copperpot]

I find this to be a pretty bizarre attack. Sanders is saying that he wants to reverse Citizen's United and is funding his campaign through traditional means, ie grassroots donations. He isn't allowing any superpac money because he's walking the walk and wants money in politics to be regulated. What is it that RP is saying that he should be doing instead?

hes saying that sanders promising free stuff to the people is akin to other politicians promising free stuff to big business.. welfare is welfare.

[ShaneEnochs]

hes saying that sanders promising free stuff to the people is akin to other politicians promising free stuff to big business.. welfare is welfare.

I don't think that's what he's saying.


Sanders shouldn't get away with the inconsistency of saying, "we're going to regulate money, except the money that comes to me, then we don't need to regulate it."

Sounds more like he's talking about campaign money. If he was talking about healthcare and college, I don't think he would have said that the money was coming to Sanders.

[VIDEODROME]

We'll have to agree to disagree. I was behind Paul because he was anti-establishment. He brought together many coalitions of people, but I've always been very liberal. Since the 2012 election I've been traveling a lot to Europe and made a stop in Canada, and a lot of what he's proposing is working very well in those countries. My wife and I were in Sweden and most of their healthcare is paid through taxes, but they still have a small deductible even though it's pretty rare to hit it. We were talking about how much it was going to cost us to have our third child and the folks we were hanging out with just could not believe it. They honestly thought that we were lying. The guy said that their annual deductible was something like $100 USD.

The guy was also going to college completely free. And their minimum wage is like $18/hr USD.

The only real differences in prices in this "socialist" country was the price of groceries and gas. Most of the groceries were pretty comparable with the US except for meat. Meat was fucking expensive, but I'd assume that's because they don't have 600 million acres of pasture for cows. Gas was super duper expensive but we mostly just walked everywhere. It was honestly an awesome experience, and if it wasn't pretty much impossible to immigrate there, I'd definitely move there.

If this is what Sanders wants to do, it seems like an improvement over our current system.

[nasaal]

If this is what Sanders wants to do, it seems like an improvement over our current system.

Depends on your perspective. I'm not personally in favor of his worldview, but that's OK. I understand the worldview of the well meaning socialist, and have nothing personally against them. Depends on in what terms you view things like property, and the role of government. The only things I really distrust about Sanders is that he's more an activist than a politician, and his willingness to lay off Obama's mistakes.

[VIDEODROME]

Depends on your perspective. I'm not personally in favor of his worldview, but that's OK. I understand the worldview of the well meaning socialist, and have nothing personally against them. Depends on in what terms you view things like property, and the role of government. The only things I really distrust about Sanders is that he's more an activist than a politician, and his willingness to lay off Obama's mistakes.

One example I'm considering is Healthcare and Emergency Care mandated under laws like this that I think was passed under Reagan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act

It requires hospital Emergency Departments that accept payments from Medicare to provide an appropriate medical screening examination (MSE) to individuals seeking treatment for a medical condition, regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions.

I really wonder if this was half-assed Healthcare that created an unfunded mandate and over time has distorted the Healthcare market leading the high costs we see. It's almost like an underhanded Tax, but bloated further by involvement from Insurance companies and their bureaucracy. Compared to this mess, Bernie's Single Payer does look like an improvement.

I'm also interested in whether Single Payer really works in other countries. I think they have a few issues, but still seem better than the ludicrous system we have. I hear many anecdotes similar to what ShaneEnochs says. It seems like these systems can address healthcare needs and their citizens seem happy with them and horrified by descriptions of American Healthcare.