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Deborah K
02-10-2016, 07:22 PM
Direct youtube link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=616S8t9tek4
-Admin


Gavin Seim on FB just posted this:

"I have David Frye on the phone right now. He says armored vehicles have surrounded them and are demanding they surrender but they will not.

Since no patriot groups showed up, I don't know what else to do but pray and get the word out......"

https://www.facebook.com/callmegav/posts/10154253886137580?fref=nf

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 07:25 PM
LIVE STREAM

TODAY - 2/11/16


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=616S8t9tek4





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOlrSain0lk&feature=youtu.be


UPDATE: THIS IS A DIFFERENT LIVE STREAM BUT ALL THAT IS AVAILABLE ATM. 2/11/16


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lAYQLD-ZuY

pcosmar
02-10-2016, 07:31 PM
Standing on the moon
I see a shadow on the sun
Standing on the moon
The stars go fading one by one
I hear a cry of victory
And another of defeat
a scrap of age-old lullaby
Down some forgotten street
- Robert Hunter -

DamianTV
02-10-2016, 07:37 PM
I hope this stays up since Im sure this is gonna go sideways at some point.

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 07:38 PM
They need to surrender!! This is pointless!

donnay
02-10-2016, 07:41 PM
They need to surrender!! This is pointless!

Agreed. Otherwise it is going to get ugly. :(

Chester Copperpot
02-10-2016, 07:43 PM
problem is the govt has shown it will wantonly murder people rather than address grievances...

DamianTV
02-10-2016, 07:46 PM
If any mods read this, they might wanna Trend this... The number of live viewers jumped up by a thousand since I started listening a minute ago.

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These guys will not be able to defend themselves against the Dept of Violence with more violence, the Govt servants are masters at it. The only two things they can do to win is cut off the Dept of Violence's paychecks or somehow overcome the Mind Manipulation the enforcers are brainwashed by. They dont really stand a chance as individuals with either tactic, but as a nation united, a nation may stand a chance against the trifecta of evil that has a stranglehold on our government. Unfortunately, surrender is their only chance for survival, but I do not think that is the goal here...

CPUd
02-10-2016, 07:51 PM
When did the Gav get out?

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 07:51 PM
We need to pray this ends with no lives lost.

CPUd
02-10-2016, 07:54 PM
This guy screaming is unhinged. I think they are gonna let him scream it out till he gets tired and gives himself up.

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 07:58 PM
I missed the numbers, did anyone get the numbers?

DamianTV
02-10-2016, 07:58 PM
This guy screaming is unhinged. I think they are gonna let him scream it out till he gets tired and gives himself up.

He is scared to death so you cant really blame him for that.

The guy did say that he would not fire first, ONLY in self defense. He sounds a lot more rational when he isnt trying to yell back to the FBI guys who cant hear them.

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I missed the numbers, did anyone get the numbers?

Copied from chat: 503 224 4187 fbi number

Chester Copperpot
02-10-2016, 07:59 PM
I missed the numbers, did anyone get the numbers?


FBI (503) 224-4181 option 0 .. supposedly this number is overflooded with calls


harney county sheriff (541) 573-6156

CPUd
02-10-2016, 08:00 PM
They are posting numbers in the chat:

Kē Àosītīng 503 224 4187 fbi number

idiom
02-10-2016, 08:01 PM
Don't worry the youth vote will save them, I mean the oathkeepers or milita or whatever...

Chester Copperpot
02-10-2016, 08:01 PM
there are representatives meeting the people at the refuge tomorrow so its seems the feds are trying to confront tonight to prevent tomorrow's meeting

AuH20
02-10-2016, 08:04 PM
This isn't good.

CPUd
02-10-2016, 08:04 PM
They need someone sane to act as a mediator.

idiom
02-10-2016, 08:06 PM
They need someone sane to act as a mediator.

I heard Rand suddenly has a bunch of time freed up...

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 08:07 PM
That Sean dude mentioned "Mark". Mark McConnell by any fuckin chance??????

Chester Copperpot
02-10-2016, 08:07 PM
2 legislators contacted and calling fbi

AuH20
02-10-2016, 08:09 PM
This is going to kick off some crazy stuff, if this goes down. Maybe not tomorrow or next week but....

Chester Copperpot
02-10-2016, 08:11 PM
i just called.. let them know the whole world is watching what theyre doing and legislators are coming

DamianTV
02-10-2016, 08:11 PM
Patching Michelle Fiori into their live call...

ChristianAnarchist
02-10-2016, 08:14 PM
there are representatives meeting the people at the refuge tomorrow so its seems the feds are trying to confront tonight to prevent tomorrow's meeting

"feds"?? Did you mean "goons"???

CPUd
02-10-2016, 08:16 PM
Looks like they now have a mediator to talk to the FBI for them.

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 08:17 PM
Damien, I asked for what you said but nothing yet.

AuH20
02-10-2016, 08:18 PM
These 4 people are brave, misguided idiots but they don't deserve this.

Ender
02-10-2016, 08:18 PM
there are representatives meeting the people at the refuge tomorrow so its seems the feds are trying to confront tonight to prevent tomorrow's meeting

Yep- just like the meeting LaVoy was headed to. Can't have peaceful meetings, now can we? :rolleyes:

erowe1
02-10-2016, 08:18 PM
They said Franklin Graham called them?

That's odd.

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 08:19 PM
Okay, it isn't Mark McConnell, I don't think.

CPUd
02-10-2016, 08:19 PM
FBI will probably try to get 1 of them to give himself up so the other 3 will see them take him alive.

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 08:20 PM
State Assemblywoman Michelle Fiori is on the phone with the hold outs!

AuH20
02-10-2016, 08:20 PM
They're as good as dead. I don't know why they didn't play out the sequence in their heads. You don't get holed up in a defensive morass like that against the FBI of all agencies.

phill4paul
02-10-2016, 08:21 PM
They said Franklin Graham called them?

That's odd.

They had reached out to him earlier in the week. He had supposedly talked to them but his spokesman would not comment.

HVACTech
02-10-2016, 08:23 PM
I heard Rand suddenly has a bunch of time freed up...

if I could ban you. I would.

idiom
02-10-2016, 08:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c24zIkPnLYI


if I could ban you. I would.

Greater mods than you have tried ;)

DamianTV
02-10-2016, 08:24 PM
Is anyone contacting any other media outlets?

AuH20
02-10-2016, 08:28 PM
Negotiations broke off. Here we go.

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 08:29 PM
David needs to settle down!

69360
02-10-2016, 08:29 PM
The feds are going to kill them. It's a shame.

Due to the tone around here lately, I need to point out this is not a sarcastic post.

Dr.3D
02-10-2016, 08:30 PM
If they're mercenaries, they won't negotiate.

AuH20
02-10-2016, 08:31 PM
When the feed gets cut, you know the drill.

CPUd
02-10-2016, 08:34 PM
FBI on Twitter:
697607000797093889
http:///twitter.com/FBIPortland

AuH20
02-10-2016, 08:36 PM
FBI on Twitter:
697607000797093889
http:///twitter.com/FBIPortland

They actually have, but they can't maintain such a force multiplier for weeks on end. Don't get me wrong. The FBI is corrupt, but they have been remarkably sensitive to public perception in all this.

wizardwatson
02-10-2016, 08:38 PM
FBI on Twitter:
697607000797093889
http:///twitter.com/FBIPortland

Thanks for that.

Looks like first FBI tweet was 8:17pm central. This thread started 7:22pm central. Way to go RPF.

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 08:40 PM
The Assemblywoman sounds like she's trying to keep from crying, poor woman!

AuH20
02-10-2016, 08:47 PM
The court of law? ROFL

69360
02-10-2016, 08:48 PM
They actually have, but they can't maintain such a force multiplier for weeks on end. Don't get me wrong. The FBI is corrupt, but they have been remarkably sensitive to public perception in all this.

Do they really need all that? It's 4 guys. Just post a few officers to guard the site. Cut power and water and wait them out peacefully. When they get tired/cold/dirty/hungry enough they will come out.

Instead they are going to suit up in camy and body armor and go in shooting/burning/gassing.

AuH20
02-10-2016, 08:49 PM
Do they really need all that? It's 4 guys. Just post a few officers to guard the site. Cut power and water and wait them out peacefully. When they get tired/cold/dirty/hungry enough they will come out.

Instead they are going to suit up in camy and body armor and go in shooting/burning/gassing.

They are still paranoid about a threeper counterattack.

DamianTV
02-10-2016, 08:49 PM
The court of law? ROFL

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?422208-Officer-Fired-After-Catching-Iowa-Governor’s-Vehicle-Speeding&p=5141209&viewfull=1#post5141209
There is NO Rule of Law... when the crime that is charged, not based upon what law was broken, but by who committed it.

-Hollywood

I think that definitely bears mentioning here...

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Unfortunately, EXECUTION is much cheaper than a long and drawn out legal proceeding where only JUST-US is acted upon.

AuH20
02-10-2016, 08:51 PM
Mark has to do his job.

Dr.3D
02-10-2016, 08:53 PM
Mark has to do his job.
I suspect those guys are not FBI.

AuH20
02-10-2016, 08:54 PM
I suspect those guys are not FBI.

The command structure is FBI. You could be right about some of on-the-ground personnel.

69360
02-10-2016, 08:54 PM
They are still paranoid about a threeper counterattack.

I thought 3% went home?

AuH20
02-10-2016, 08:54 PM
I thought 3% went home?

yes and no.

phill4paul
02-10-2016, 08:55 PM
These guys need to calm the fuck down. Damn.

AuH20
02-10-2016, 08:56 PM
These guys need to calm the fuck down. Damn.

Agreed. It's fucking annoying.

Dr.3D
02-10-2016, 08:56 PM
These guys need to calm the fuck down. Damn.
Yep, stupid stuff happens when people get too excited.

DamianTV
02-10-2016, 08:57 PM
These guys need to calm the fuck down. Damn.

They do, but they are scared for their lives and have very damn good reason to be. A lot of it comes from the FBI saying "they cant hear him" so he gets loud, and it appears he is losing it, which may only be an appearance. When he talks otherwise, he sounds scared as hell but as rational as I think anyone could be expected to be...

CPUd
02-10-2016, 09:00 PM
Local press is there live tweeting:
697612355207716864

Mach
02-10-2016, 09:01 PM
Why don't they just talk to them through the live Youtube feed, instead of yelling?

Supposedly talking with Mayor right now....

presence
02-10-2016, 09:02 PM
40,000 Watching

AuH20
02-10-2016, 09:02 PM
David is the only likable one. He understands the deal.

CPUd
02-10-2016, 09:03 PM
Sounds like they are slowly closing in the perimeter.

presence
02-10-2016, 09:04 PM
41178

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 09:05 PM
Bryan just tweeted it out. God bless him.

presence
02-10-2016, 09:05 PM
42080

AuH20
02-10-2016, 09:06 PM
the constitution?!? The constitution is dead you ditz! It's been papered over by judicial activism!

CPUd
02-10-2016, 09:06 PM
cnn.com has it on their front page:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/10/us/oregon-standoff/index.html

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 09:07 PM
Mayor on phone now.

presence
02-10-2016, 09:09 PM
43042

armstrong
02-10-2016, 09:09 PM
hmm , Lavoys weapons were left behind and still there , stated by the one screaming earlier

presence
02-10-2016, 09:10 PM
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presence
02-10-2016, 09:12 PM
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Deborah K
02-10-2016, 09:13 PM
hmm , Lavoys weapons were left behind and still there , stated by the one screaming earlier

I hope this is being recorded. That's important information to have.

presence
02-10-2016, 09:13 PM
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AuH20
02-10-2016, 09:14 PM
This Nevada assemblywoman is so annoying.

DamianTV
02-10-2016, 09:15 PM
So they were supposed to have a Negotiator come tomorrow, and they send the FBI today, its pretty obvious the plan has been all along to kill them. THAT is true American JUST-US. The dead have no ability to defend their reputations.

MarkieMark
02-10-2016, 09:16 PM
They need someone sane to act as a mediator.
Send in Adam Kokesh.

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 09:16 PM
cnn.com has it on their front page:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/10/us/oregon-standoff/index.html


for what it's worth....how freakin blasé.

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 09:17 PM
This Nevada assemblywoman is so annoying.

I agree.

Chester Copperpot
02-10-2016, 09:17 PM
ben swann just picked up the story!

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 09:18 PM
Reverend Graham now on the phone.

AuH20
02-10-2016, 09:18 PM
Rev. Graham is close with DJT.

presence
02-10-2016, 09:18 PM
http://i.imgur.com/BPCcY6Z.png

DamianTV
02-10-2016, 09:20 PM
Why don't they just talk to them through the live Youtube feed, instead of yelling?

Supposedly talking with Mayor right now....

Sounds like the FBI have finally gotten clued in and are listening to the Live Feed now. How long did it take them to figure that out? Good grief, so much for "intelligence".

AuH20
02-10-2016, 09:22 PM
God don't care. We corrupted this world, not him.

presence
02-10-2016, 09:23 PM
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presence
02-10-2016, 09:25 PM
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presence
02-10-2016, 09:27 PM
54372

AuH20
02-10-2016, 09:27 PM
All this bullshit about the American people. Most of the American people don't know what zip code they're in, never-mind their inability to read and comprehend the Constitution. A tireless minority won the American Revolution, not some fictional plurality.

Mach
02-10-2016, 09:29 PM
No press allowed nearby, to video record live?

Chester Copperpot
02-10-2016, 09:29 PM
gavin said FOX was covering this now???

Bryan
02-10-2016, 09:30 PM
FBI report...
https://www.fbi.gov/portland/press-releases/2016/fbi-surrounds-occupiers-at-the-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge



At approximately 4:30 p.m. (Pacific) on Wednesday, February 10, 2016, one of the occupiers rode an ATV outside the barricades established by the militia at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. FBI agents attempted to approach the driver, and he returned to the encampment at the refuge at a high rate of speed.

At this time, the FBI has moved to contain the remaining occupiers by placing agents at barricades both immediately ahead of and behind the area where the occupiers are camping. Negotiations between the occupiers and the FBI continue. No shots have been fired.

“It has never been the FBI’s desire to engage these armed occupiers in any way other than through dialogue, and to that end, the FBI has negotiated with patience and restraint in an effort to resolve the situation peacefully. However, we reached a point where it became necessary to take action in a way that best ensured the safety of those on the refuge, the law enforcement officers who are on scene, and the people of Harney County who live and work in this area,” said Greg Bretzing, Special Agent in Charge of the FBI in Oregon.

Wednesday marks day 40 of the occupation of the refuge.

Further updates will be released as appropriate.

Chester Copperpot
02-10-2016, 09:31 PM
FBI report...
https://www.fbi.gov/portland/press-releases/2016/fbi-surrounds-occupiers-at-the-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge



At approximately 4:30 p.m. (Pacific) on Wednesday, February 10, 2016, one of the occupiers rode an ATV outside the barricades established by the militia at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. FBI agents attempted to approach the driver, and he returned to the encampment at the refuge at a high rate of speed.

At this time, the FBI has moved to contain the remaining occupiers by placing agents at barricades both immediately ahead of and behind the area where the occupiers are camping. Negotiations between the occupiers and the FBI continue. No shots have been fired.

“It has never been the FBI’s desire to engage these armed occupiers in any way other than through dialogue, and to that end, the FBI has negotiated with patience and restraint in an effort to resolve the situation peacefully. However, we reached a point where it became necessary to take action in a way that best ensured the safety of those on the refuge, the law enforcement officers who are on scene, and the people of Harney County who live and work in this area,” said Greg Bretzing, Special Agent in Charge of the FBI in Oregon.

Wednesday marks day 40 of the occupation of the refuge.

Further updates will be released as appropriate.

this is bullshit.. typical govt tactic to attack after 5pm because offices are closed.. govt offices.. lawyers etc etc

Chester Copperpot
02-10-2016, 09:32 PM
fox headline


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/10/fbi-says-it-has-surrounded-last-occupiers-at-oregon-refuge.html

DamianTV
02-10-2016, 09:32 PM
gavin said FOX was covering this now???

Fox and CNN, but probably only because they expect and profit from sensationalization. No MSM outlet cares for peace, its too boring to make money on.

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Keep spreading this!

Tod
02-10-2016, 09:32 PM
If enough people showed up, the feds would be defeated. Roadblocks be damned.

AuH20
02-10-2016, 09:33 PM
I hate this Michelle woman. So insufferable.

Danke
02-10-2016, 09:35 PM
Send in Adam Kokesh.

Too valuable. Send in a Mexican or a Canadian. Or better yet, a Mexican/Canadian.

presence
02-10-2016, 09:36 PM
guy invokes lexington 1775 as a reason to calm down and give in


lol

AuH20
02-10-2016, 09:36 PM
Sorry honey, but a piece of parchment won't save you. The Constitution is enforceable only by blood sadly.

presence
02-10-2016, 09:36 PM
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Mach
02-10-2016, 09:37 PM
56645 and continues to go up, any press that don't put this on live is missing out on viewers.

idiom
02-10-2016, 09:37 PM
Armed does the enemy sit, ready to open fire
Ready too are we, our bosoms thrust out to him
With blood we shall play Holi, if our nation need us
The desire for struggle is in our hearts...

They ain't going to walk.

Uriel999
02-10-2016, 09:37 PM
Too valuable. Send in a Mexican or a Canadian. Or better yet, a Mexican/Canadian.

You sure? I think we'd be better off without that clown.

idiom
02-10-2016, 09:39 PM
If enough people showed up, the feds would be defeated. Roadblocks be damned.

If you wanted to be arrested for non-violently protesting the government, walking through those roadblocks is the way to do it. Everyone who can be there should be doing that.

presence
02-10-2016, 09:39 PM
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Deborah K
02-10-2016, 09:42 PM
If you wanted to be arrested for non-violently protesting the government, walking through those roadblocks is the way to do it. Everyone who can be there should be doing that.

Yeah right!! Ammon Bundy was denied bail and all he did was ride passenger in a car! The pigs will make sure they rot.

RJB
02-10-2016, 09:44 PM
Enough with the show prayers.

sparebulb
02-10-2016, 09:45 PM
This woman is of no help.

elfroggo
02-10-2016, 09:46 PM
Yeahhhhh, when you're praying you won't see the guns lmao what the fuck. So shes saying they don't pray hard enough

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 09:47 PM
They don't want to surrender....

AuH20
02-10-2016, 09:47 PM
God overrides them. Yes, good luck with that.

idiom
02-10-2016, 09:48 PM
Yeah right!! Ammon Bundy was denied bail and all he did was ride passenger in a car! The pigs will make sure they rot.

It only works if you actually overfill the jails Birmingham style.

Also would help if it was certain congressmen and senators breaking the roadblock.

But the *only* thing we have is weight of numbers.

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 09:49 PM
At least having her, and the mayor, and the reverend, and the live feed has kept them alive.

AuH20
02-10-2016, 09:49 PM
Yes. Don't give in to these bloodsuckers.

presence
02-10-2016, 09:49 PM
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Tod
02-10-2016, 09:52 PM
Meanwhile, everyone in the refuge is getting tireder and tireder....

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 09:53 PM
They need to ignore the FBI right now, and take a break.

Mach
02-10-2016, 09:53 PM
C'mon, the FBI probably has layers of roadblocks.

elfroggo
02-10-2016, 09:53 PM
She doesn't sound like she's in a car

sparebulb
02-10-2016, 09:54 PM
"They (FBI) can't go back on their word when 60,000 people are watching this online"

This chik is just going to make their last hours needlessly stupid.

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 09:55 PM
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sparebulb
02-10-2016, 09:56 PM
Meanwhile, everyone in the refuge is getting tireder and tireder....

I was just about to recommend that they try some quiet time on the phone and let them take turns napping.

This chik is part of the FBI grind-down.

Probably Franklin Graham also.

AuH20
02-10-2016, 09:56 PM
This is so freaking tiresome. Go out and meet the FBI. Enough with the shit. The problem is that these 4 have no training. They are the epitome of amateurs. I don't even know how they got stuck up here.

Tod
02-10-2016, 09:57 PM
A US Senator driving up to the roadblock in an armored bulldozer is unlikely to be assassinated. Push aside any vehicles in the way, drive up to the refuge and everyone climbs in with him.

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 09:59 PM
They feel let down. I feel sooo fucking bad for them!

phill4paul
02-10-2016, 09:59 PM
This is so freaking tiresome. Go out and meet the FBI. Enough with the shit. The problem is that these 4 have no training. They are the epitome of amateurs. I don't even know how they got stuck up here.

Because they are the epitome of amateurs?

sparebulb
02-10-2016, 09:59 PM
"We've got the ACLU involved"

lol!

The ACLU would rather defend homicidal pedo's than help these people.

In fact, they would love to see these people die.

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 09:59 PM
This is so freaking tiresome. Go out and meet the FBI. Enough with the shit. The problem is that these 4 have no training. They are the epitome of amateurs. I don't even know how they got stuck up here.

"They're just farmers with pitchforks!" Right?

armstrong
02-10-2016, 10:00 PM
more light on subject the better , what a liberty prize to show the light if your in the ability to show it

AuH20
02-10-2016, 10:02 PM
https://www.clipular.com/c/5356019811614720.png?k=eGoCW58WoSXOFNUdqMOWN0fxudw

HVACTech
02-10-2016, 10:07 PM
Because they are the epitome of amateurs?

YES! they should be more like YOU!
:rolleyes:

because YOU are SO smart! :D

armstrong
02-10-2016, 10:07 PM
Amen

sparebulb
02-10-2016, 10:07 PM
"The FBI (on scene) doesn't have the information that we have"

"They're not going to kill you before I get there"

She is there to build tension that the phone will ring with pardon before the switch is pulled.

Boobus, if listening, has a hard-on.

phill4paul
02-10-2016, 10:10 PM
YES! they should be more like YOU!
:rolleyes:

because YOU are SO smart! :D

Thank you, buddy. You are like my personal daily affirmation.

Dianne
02-10-2016, 10:11 PM
They need to surrender!! This is pointless!

Surrender, NO ... Go home, yes.

AuH20
02-10-2016, 10:12 PM
Combustibles? Psalms? This is a complete shitshow.

sparebulb
02-10-2016, 10:12 PM
She's got these poor people conditioned to ask for permission before lighting their heater.

This chik is playing for the feds, trying to drive them crazy.

AuH20
02-10-2016, 10:12 PM
Koresh was so calm when the ATF and FBI were closing in on him. Not hysterical.

Tod
02-10-2016, 10:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlZh9-NQEyI

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 10:15 PM
Surrender, NO ... Go home, yes.

Yes, go home. But not die over this.

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 10:17 PM
https://www.clipular.com/c/5356019811614720.png?k=eGoCW58WoSXOFNUdqMOWN0fxudw

Who's the 4th person?

sparebulb
02-10-2016, 10:17 PM
"The won't shoot you if you don't shoot at them" Michelle

pcosmar
02-10-2016, 10:17 PM
This is so freaking tiresome. Go out and meet the FBI. Enough with the shit. The problem is that these 4 have no training. They are the epitome of amateurs. I don't even know how they got stuck up here.

They got stuck there because everyone who tried to leave was arrested. They can't just leave. and won't voluntarily be caged.

If the police would go away,, so would they.

Catch 22

AuH20
02-10-2016, 10:18 PM
She's "The won't shoot you if you don't shoot at them" Michelle

and conveniently 5 hours away.

idiom
02-10-2016, 10:20 PM
Best way out for them is a shit load of unarmed people show up and breach the roadblock and walk out with them.

phill4paul
02-10-2016, 10:21 PM
I can't believe they didn't let this yahoo negotiate the situation....


Former refuge occupier hopes to help FBI negotiate with holdouts, has little luck

Weeks ago, occupier Scott Willingham was pacing around the front gate of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, wearing a camouflage vest with ammunition, a skullcap and AR-15 rifle.

On Tuesday, he was dressed in jeans, boots and a U.S. Fish & Wildlife T-shirt, sitting inside The Narrows, a café and RV park a few miles from the refuge, and waiting for the FBI.

Willingham, 48, of Leadville, Colorado, is offering himself up as a mediator between the FBI and the last four people left at the refuge, 30 miles southeast of Burns.


After about four hours waiting at The Narrows for the FBI to show up, Willingham said he was starting to feel demoralized because no agents had come to talk to him. Bearcats and black SUVS drove through the roadblock a few hundred feet from the café but no agents came in as he had hoped.

"They're treating me like a (expletive) flea, man," he said.

By the time the sun set, he decided to stay at the night at the RV camp and try to call the FBI in the morning.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/former_refuge_occupier_hopes_t.html

Dr.3D
02-10-2016, 10:21 PM
They got stuck there because everyone who tried to leave was arrested. They can't just leave. and won't voluntarily be caged.

If the police would go away,, so would they.

Catch 22
The FBI could be more efficient if they just let them leave and then arrest them later while they are on the street.

But of course the FBI probably wants to make a show of force so as to demonstrate to others what would happen if they tried the same thing.

presence
02-10-2016, 10:22 PM
Live Updates: Reports Of Oregon Standoff Escalating (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/live-updates-reports-of-oregon-standoff-escalating/) OPB News - ‎2 hours ago‎
FBI officials said it has placed agents at barricades near the area where the militants are located. Negotiations continue between law enforcement and the occupiers, and no shots have been fired. Greg Bretzing, Special Agent in Charge of the FBI in ...





FBI moves in on last four occupiers at Oregon wildlife refuge (http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-moving-last-four-occupiers-oregon-wildlife-refuge-022716643.html) Yahoo News - ‎36 minutes ago‎
(Reuters) - Federal agents on Wednesday closed in on the last four anti-government militants still holed up at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon after a 40-day-old armed occupation, the FBI said in a statement. The Federal Bureau of ...



Malheur Refuge Occupation Day 40: 4 Things To Know (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/pete-santilli-aclu-harney-county-malheur/) OPB News - ‎9 hours ago‎
The remaining four armed militants at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Harney County, Oregon, have been occupying the site on their own for at least two weeks. That's since the last week of January, when other occupiers were arrested outside the ...





Oregon standoff Day 40: What you need to know Wednesday (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/oregon_standoff_day_40_what_yo.html) OregonLive.com - ‎15 hours ago‎
Militant leader Robert "LaVoy" Finicum, armed, angry and facing arrest, shouted again and again to police who had stopped him outside Burns that he needed to go see "the sheriff." He felt only one man could protect him – Grant County Sheriff Glenn Palmer.



Oregon standoff: FBI moves in on last refuge occupiers (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/oregon_standoff_fbi_moves_in_o.html) OregonLive.com - ‎2 hours ago‎
BURNS – The FBI on Wednesday evening moved in on the last four occupiers at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, apparently placing armored vehicles around their camp. A friend of occupier David Fry was streaming on YouTube through an open phone ...





Oregon standoff escalates as FBI surrounds Malheur wildlife refuge – live updates (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/feb/11/oregon-standoff-escalates-fbi-armed-occupants-malheur-wildlife-refuge-live) The Guardian - ‎1 hour ago‎
The elder Banta said he had talked to his son “once or twice” since the standoff began but declined to provide details. “He just said, 'I'm all right,”' Willard Banta said. “I'm wondering if he is going to make it out. I'd like to see my son come home ...



The FBI is moving in on the last 4 members of the Oregon 'militia' (http://www.businessinsider.com/r-fbi-moving-in-on-last-four-occupiers-at-oregon-wildlife-refuge-report-2016-2) Business Insider - ‎1 hour ago‎
Bundy and 10 others were arrested in January in Oregon, most of them during a confrontation with the Federal Bureau of Investigation and state police on a snow-covered roadside where a spokesman for the group, Robert "LaVoy" Finicum, was shot dead.





FBI says it has surrounded last occupiers at Oregon refuge (http://fox17online.com/2016/02/10/fbi-says-it-has-surrounded-last-occupiers-at-oregon-refuge/) Fox17 - ‎1 hour ago‎
BURNS, OR - JANUARY 06: A view of a building at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Headquarters on January 6, 2016 near Burns, Oregon. An armed anti-government militia group continues to occupy the Malheur National Wildlife Headquarters as they ...





With Bar Complaints Filed, Lawyers Explain Bundy Approach (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/with-bar-complaints-filed-lawyers-explain-bundy-approach/) OPB News - ‎Feb 9, 2016‎
“The purpose of this letter is to request a meeting with you to discuss whether the attorneys of Arnold Law may be of any assistance to you on a pro bono basis in finding a resolution to the situation in Harney County, Oregon,” the letter reportedly ...



Key Events in the Occupation of the Oregon Wildlife Refuge (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/key-events-occupation-oregon-wildlife-refuge-36851904) ABC News - ‎44 minutes ago‎
2, 2016: A protest takes place in Burns, Oregon, amid mounting tension over prison sentences for two local ranchers. Dwight Hammond, 73, and his son Steven Hammond, 46, said they lit fires on federal land to reduce the growth of invasive plants and ...



LIVE: FBI Conducting Siege of Oregon Wildlife Refuge (http://truthinmedia.com/live-fbi-conducting-siege-of-oregon-wildlife-facility/) Truth In Media - ‎39 minutes ago‎
This is a live stream from inside the Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Burns, Oregon. According to those on the phone, 28,000 people are listening. The FBI is reportedly refusing to talk to Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore who is attempting to resolve this ...



BREAKING NOW: FBI Moves In On Oregon Holdouts (https://www.trunews.com/breaking-now-fbi-moves-in-on-oregon-holdouts/) TRUNEWS - ‎55 minutes ago‎
Federal agents on Wednesday evening have moved in on the last four anti-government protesters still holed up at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. The remaining holdouts have offered to surrender themselves to Rev. Franklin Graham.





FBI surrounds last Malheur National Wildlife Refuge occupiers (http://www.kgw.com/news/local/eastern-oregon/reports-fbi-surrounds-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge/39633218) kgw.com - ‎1 hour ago‎
BURNS, Ore. -- The FBI surrounded the final occupiers at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Burns Wednesday night. At about 4:30 p.m., one of the occupiers rode an ATV outside the barricades established at the refuge, according to the FBI.





Oregon Standoff Update: FBI Agents Reportedly Encircle Remaining Occupiers (http://www.ibtimes.com/oregon-standoff-update-fbi-agents-reportedly-encircle-remaining-occupiers-2302649) International Business Times - ‎1 hour ago‎
The FBI reportedly encircled the four remaining occupiers at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Princeton, Oregon, on Wednesday night, the Oregonian reported on its website. Armored FBI vehicles were reportedly parked outside the camp, with agents ...





FBI surrounds occupiers at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national/reported-fbi-siege-malheur-refuge-oregon/nqNKh/) Atlanta Journal Constitution - ‎1 hour ago‎
The FBI began moving in on remaining occupants at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Burns, Oregon, Wednesday. The Oregonian reported that David Fry, 27, of Ohio, Jeff Banta of Elko, Nevada, and Sean and Sandy Anderson of Riggins, Idaho, are ...



FBI Surrounds Remaining Protesters Occupying Oregon Refuge (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fbi-surrounds-remaining-protesters-occupying-oregon-refuge-n516246) NBCNews.com - ‎1 hour ago‎
The occupation of Malheur, in central Oregon near Burns, began Jan. 2. The Bundys were arrested Jan. 26 during what authorities have described as a "traffic stop." The protest's main spokesman, Robert LaVoy Finicum, 54, was killed during a ...





Federal agents close in on four remaining militia occupants at Malheur Wildlife Refuge (http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nation-and-world/federal-agents-close-four-remaining-militia-occupants-malheur-wildlife-refuge) Las Vegas Review-Journal - ‎1 hour ago‎
The four remaining occupants are broadcasting the events live on an audio feed on YouTube and are speaking to Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore, who flew to Oregon on Wednesday before the events unfolded. This is a developing story, Check back ...





Assemblywoman Michele Fiore on phone with Oregon occupiers as FBI moves in (http://www.ktnv.com/news/assemblywoman-michele-fiore-on-phone-with-oregon-occupiers-as-fbi-moves-in) KTNV Las Vegas - ‎11 minutes ago‎
Michele Fiore is on the phone with the occupiers as she tries to make her way to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge near Burns, Oregon. She is currently trying to make her way to the refuge from the airport in Portland, which is more than 5 hours away.





FBI moving in on last four occupiers at Oregon wildlife refuge (http://www.streetinsider.com/Reuters/FBI+moving+in+on+last+four+occupiers+at+Oregon+wil dlife+refuge/11303893.html) StreetInsider.com - ‎1 hour ago‎
FBI agents man the entry to the Burns Municipal Airport in Burns, Oregon January 30, 2016. REUTERS/Jim Urquhart. (Reuters) - Federal agents on Wednesday moved in on the last four anti-government militants still holed up at the Malheur National Wildlife ...





FBI surrounds remaining occupiers at Oregon wildlife refuge (http://www.wtvm.com/story/31193168/fbi-surrounds-remaining-occupiers-at-oregon-wildlife-refuge) WTVM - ‎1 hour ago‎
BURNS, OR (KPTV) -. Forty days after the occupation of a rural Oregon wildlife refuge began, the FBI has surrounded the four remaining people who have refused to leave. The FBI reported that one of the occupiers rode an ATV outside the barricades ...





FBI Moves on Oregon Militia to End Standoff, Talks Underway (http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/FBI-Moves-on-Oregon-Militia-to-End-Standoff-Talks-Underway-20160210-0041.html) teleSUR English - ‎8 minutes ago‎
The United States Federal Bureau of Investigation moved in to end the Oregon standoff as federal forces surrounded the last four occupiers at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, local newspapers reported Wednesday night. The latest development comes ...



LISTEN LIVE: FBI Moving in on Oregon Militia Standoff (http://heavy.com/news/2016/02/malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-livestream-standoff-over-fbi-moving-in-cliven-bundy/) Heavy.com - ‎2 hours ago‎
According to this livestream, FBI agents are moving in on the Oregon militia in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The Oregonian reports that the live broadcast is coming from friend of occupier David Fry, 27, from Ohio, named Gavin Seam. A member ...



FBI closes in on last Oregon refuge occupiers (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/10/fbi-closes-in-on-last-oregon-refuge-occupiers/) Washington Post - ‎1 hour ago‎
A neighbor who lives near the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, 30 miles south of Burns, Ore., told The Washington Post that residents have been told to stay in their homes until the police give clearance. Greg Bretzing, Special Agent in Charge of the ...





4 Oregon refuge occupiers continue standoff with FBI, post videos (http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2016/02/10/apc-4-oregon-refuge-occupiers-continue-standoff-with-fbi-post-videos/) St George News - ‎1 hour ago‎
This Jan. 30, 2016 file photo shows Tony Atencio of Burns, Oregon, holds a photo of rancher Robert "LaVoy" Finicum at a rally against in Burns, Ore. The funeral for Finicum, killed by law enforcement during the armed occupation of an Oregon wildlife ...





FBI Surrounds Protesters Occupying Oregon Refuge (http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/FBI-Surrounds-Protesters-Occupying-Oregon-Refuge-368408811.html) NBC Chicago - ‎1 hour ago‎
A mop and sign are taped to a sign for the occupied Malheur National Wildlife Refuge near Burns, Oregon, on January 29, 2016. FBI agents have converged on the Oregon wildlife refuge where the last four followers of Ammon and Ryan Bundy remain holed ...



The last few occupiers of an Oregon wildlife refuge say they have been surrounded by authorities (http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/e1f0c47fc0ac419ca158d9af3e078ab8/US--Ranching-Standoff) Daily Journal - ‎1 hour ago‎
BURNS, Oregon — The FBI says it has moved to contain the last few occupiers of an Oregon wildlife refuge. In a statement Wednesday evening, authorities said they placed agents at barricades both immediately ahead of and behind the area where the ...





Former refuge occupier hopes to help FBI negotiate with holdouts, has little luck (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/former_refuge_occupier_hopes_t.html) OregonLive.com - ‎Feb 9, 2016‎
He had left the refuge a week and a half ago when the occupation leaders were arrested and protest spokesman Robert "LaVoy" Finicum was killed during a confrontation with state police and the FBI at a roadblock on U.S. 395 between Burns and John Day ...





Grant County Residents Speak Out Against Refuge Occupation (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/grant-county-residents-speak-out-against-refuge-occupation/) OPB News - ‎4 hours ago‎
Most residents who came to the commission meeting supported the resolution and expressed concern that Grant County could be the next host, or target, for radical efforts from so-called militias — such as an occupation or other potential illegal activity.



FBI agents surround last few occupiers at Oregon wildlife refuge (http://q13fox.com/2016/02/10/fbi-agents-surround-last-few-occupiers-at-oregon-refuge/) Q13 FOX - ‎1 hour ago‎
... area,” said Greg Bretzing, Special Agent in Charge of the FBI in Oregon. Wednesday marks day 40 of the occupation of the refuge. The four remained despite the arrests of group leader Ammon Bundy and others Jan. 26 on a remote road outside the refuge.



FBI surrounds refuge occupiers (http://www.ktvb.com/news/local/fbi-surrounds-refuge-occupiers/39657006) KTVB - ‎1 hour ago‎
BURNS, Ore. - The FBI said Wednesday that they have "moved to contain" the last remaining occupiers at an Oregon wildlife refuge that was taken over during a land-rights protest last month. "The FBI has moved to contain the remaining occupiers by ...

armstrong
02-10-2016, 10:22 PM
Bingo
They got stuck there because everyone who tried to leave was arrested. They can't just leave. and won't voluntarily be caged.

If the police would go away,, so would they.

Catch 22

phill4paul
02-10-2016, 10:23 PM
Who's the 4th person?


Jeff Banta, 46, of Elko, Nevada

Banta is a construction worker. The Associated Press reported he is a divorced father of two, lived most of his life in Yerington, Nev., graduated from the local high school and worked in construction before he moved about five years ago to Elko in northeast Nevada.

His father told The Associated Press that the younger Banta may have learned his distrust of the U.S. government from him growing up hunting and fishing in the wide-open spaces of rural northern Nevada.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/who_are_remaining_occupiers_se.html#incart_big-photo

presence
02-10-2016, 10:24 PM
peaked at 67500, now down to 61841

Dr.3D
02-10-2016, 10:25 PM
peaked at 67500, now down to 61841
People on the east coast are probably going to bed.

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 10:26 PM
The FBI could be more efficient if they just let them leave and then arrest them later while they are on the street.

But of course the FBI probably wants to make a show of force so as to demonstrate to others what would happen if they tried the same thing.

They're probably keeping track of the mood in the public over this as well.

Tod
02-10-2016, 10:26 PM
Where is Rand Paul at? Why isn't he out there with an armored vehicle intervening?

sparebulb
02-10-2016, 10:28 PM
His father told The Associated Press that the younger Banta may have learned his distrust of the U.S. government from him growing up hunting and fishing in the wide-open spaces of rural northern Nevada.

That is precisely why Boobus wants the fedgov to closely regulate everything that happens on government land.

Unregulated hunting and fishing is a gateway to terrorism.

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 10:28 PM
Best way out for them is a shit load of unarmed people show up and breach the roadblock and walk out with them.

and a pardon.

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 10:30 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/who_are_remaining_occupiers_se.html#incart_big-photo


David Fry, a 27-year-old Ohio resident who has posted "#Pray4ISIS" to his Google page, is among those involved in the militant standoff at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Burns., January 10, 2016, near Burns, Oregon. Thomas Boyd/Staff

wtf?

Dr.3D
02-10-2016, 10:32 PM
wtf?
Sounds like somebody is trying to demonize him.

elfroggo
02-10-2016, 10:33 PM
wtf?

Aren't ya supposed to pray for your enemies or something? I admit, I'm not much of a religious person.

presence
02-10-2016, 10:34 PM
https://challengingtherhetoric.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/david-fry-live-feed-2-jeff-banta.png?w=1200


I believe this is Jeff Banta of Nevada

AuH20
02-10-2016, 10:36 PM
Wa wa wa wa. The world is unfair and your fellow human being is selfish pig. Sean, you just realized that now?

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 10:38 PM
Victoria Sharp is on the line.

Dr.3D
02-10-2016, 10:39 PM
So how many people will be listening at 8:00am tomorrow morning?

armstrong
02-10-2016, 10:40 PM
they are not even at the refuge ? but on public land ,,,,,all this

Natural Citizen
02-10-2016, 10:42 PM
What's everyone listening to?

elfroggo
02-10-2016, 10:43 PM
What's everyone listening to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOlrSain0lk

Deborah K
02-10-2016, 10:44 PM
The last 4 hold outs at the refuge.

Natural Citizen
02-10-2016, 10:47 PM
Okay. Thanks. I got it now.

presence
02-10-2016, 10:49 PM
Assemblywoman Michelle Fiore

http://votefiore.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/nevada-assemblywoman-michele-fiore-carson-city.jpg

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/ov-file-archive/piece/77/7/706177.0.fiore.jpg

More: https://www.google.com/search?q=michelle+fiore+calander&gws_rd=ssl

http://votefiore.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Screen-Shot-2015-11-01-at-12.28.45-PM.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS5qjZlUYAASAYE.jpg

http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Nevada-lawmaker-publishes-pro-gun-calendar-as-part-of-campaign-9.jpg

idiom
02-10-2016, 10:57 PM
Where is Rand Paul at? Why isn't he out there with an armored vehicle intervening?

If Rand was there driving up in a bulldozer, drove out with them peacefully, that's it. He would be elected in a heartbeat.

GunnyFreedom
02-10-2016, 10:58 PM
There is an awful lot of hate in those comments. People, it is no longer 3GW, it is now 4GW.

AuH20
02-10-2016, 11:00 PM
There is an awful lot of hate in those comments. People, it is no longer 3GW, it is now 4GW.

Yes, but many bystanders who like to stand on the shoulders of Uncle Sugar. The real issue is the miscreants who think that their fed buddies are omnipotent. I feel sorry for them. I'm not saying that anybody wins in all this, but it won't be onesided.

CPUd
02-10-2016, 11:21 PM
The FBI are listening to the live stream. Whenever one of them on the live stream calls for thousands of people to show up in protest, the FBI guy tells them on the bullhorn, "nobody's coming, they all left you behind".

sparebulb
02-10-2016, 11:24 PM
I guess they are planning to turn themselves in tomorrow with government preacher Graham getting the photo op.

He could be the GOP nominee for president if they get a picture of him praying for them face down on the ground with his boot on their necks.

Romans 13 style.

idiom
02-10-2016, 11:33 PM
The FBI are listening to the live stream. Whenever one of them on the live stream calls for thousands of people to show up in protest, the FBI guy tells them on the bullhorn, "nobody's coming, they all left you behind".

Well he aint wrong.

Mach
02-10-2016, 11:38 PM
I guess they are planning to turn themselves in tomorrow with government preacher Graham getting the photo op.

He could be the GOP nominee for president if they get a picture of him praying for them face down on the ground with his boot on their necks.

Romans 13 style.

Yeah, they'll give Graham a bullet-proof vest.

sparebulb
02-10-2016, 11:41 PM
Michelle is positively giddy at the prospect of them surrendering,

And her to be there for the cameras.

She's now praising God for them giving up to the government and guaranteed felony convictions.

TheTexan
02-10-2016, 11:42 PM
We need to pray this ends with no lives lost.

Hopefully no government lives lost, at least.

Mach
02-10-2016, 11:45 PM
Anybody on how much time they are going to serve?

I have no clue what they supposedly violated.

AuH20
02-10-2016, 11:47 PM
This god stuff is so over the edge. Nothing wrong with a higher power & knowing that mankind must abide by his limitations, but these folks talk about God like he just physically manifested at their local barbecue. I never knew some Christians who were so vocal with the personal God junk.

Tod
02-10-2016, 11:50 PM
This god stuff is so over the edge. Nothing wrong with a higher power & knowing that mankind must abide by his limitations, but these folks talk about God like he just physically manifested at their local barbecue. I never knew some Christians who were so vocal with the personal God junk.

https://gsethdunn.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/031-thank-you-jesus-womanfor-helping-me-find-find-my-car-keys-football-player-for-letting-me-throw-that-touchdown-starving-child.jpg

AuH20
02-10-2016, 11:51 PM
https://gsethdunn.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/031-thank-you-jesus-womanfor-helping-me-find-find-my-car-keys-football-player-for-letting-me-throw-that-touchdown-starving-child.jpg

It's scary.... isn't it?

sparebulb
02-10-2016, 11:52 PM
This Michelle and sidekick are nauseating.

Psyop nearly complete.

Chester Copperpot
02-10-2016, 11:55 PM
Assemblywoman Michelle Fiore

http://votefiore.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/nevada-assemblywoman-michele-fiore-carson-city.jpg

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/ov-file-archive/piece/77/7/706177.0.fiore.jpg

More: https://www.google.com/search?q=michelle+fiore+calander&gws_rd=ssl

http://votefiore.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Screen-Shot-2015-11-01-at-12.28.45-PM.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS5qjZlUYAASAYE.jpg

http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Nevada-lawmaker-publishes-pro-gun-calendar-as-part-of-campaign-9.jpg

sudenly shes no longer annoying. haha

AuH20
02-10-2016, 11:55 PM
This Michelle and sidekick are nauseating.

Psyop nearly complete.

Gavin Seim I believe his name is.

Chester Copperpot
02-10-2016, 11:56 PM
There is an awful lot of hate in those comments. People, it is no longer 3GW, it is now 4GW.

3gw 4 gw????

Chester Copperpot
02-10-2016, 11:58 PM
This god stuff is so over the edge. Nothing wrong with a higher power & knowing that mankind must abide by his limitations, but these folks talk about God like he just physically manifested at their local barbecue. I never knew some Christians who were so vocal with the personal God junk.

and yet nobody died tonight even though everybody thought it was guaranteed to happen

Chester Copperpot
02-11-2016, 12:00 AM
If Rand was there driving up in a bulldozer, drove out with them peacefully, that's it. He would be elected in a heartbeat.

Could you imagine Rand in a killdozer??

Maybe he could have borrowed Rons whimsical jalopy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auZCn13tgfs

GunnyFreedom
02-11-2016, 12:02 AM
3gw 4 gw????
Third Generation Warfare vs Fourth Generation Warfare.

Tod
02-11-2016, 12:03 AM
3gw 4 gw????

google is your friend...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generations_of_warfare




First-generation warfare refers to battles fought with massed manpower, using line and column tactics with uniformed soldiers governed by the state.
Second-generation warfare is the tactics used after the invention of the rifled musket (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifled_musket) and breech-loading weapons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breech-loading_weapon) and continuing through the development of the machine gun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_gun) and indirect fire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indirect_fire). The term second generation warfare was created by the U.S. military (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_United_States) in 1989.
Third-generation warfare focuses on using speed and surprise to bypass the enemy's lines and collapse their forces from the rear. Essentially, this was the end of linear warfare on a tactical level, with units seeking not simply to meet each other face to face but to outmaneuver each other to gain the greatest advantage.
The concept of fourth-generation warfare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-generation_warfare) as presented by Lind et al. is characterized by a return to decentralized (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized) forms of warfare, blurring of the lines between war and politics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics), combatants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combatants) and civilians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilians) due to nation states (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state)' loss of their near-monopoly on combat forces, returning to modes of conflict common in pre-modern times.

AuH20
02-11-2016, 12:04 AM
A letter from the men who dance in the shadows:


Well, what a clusterfuck…

This is not a Militia. This is Joe’s armed gang of Patriots. No discipline, no control, no rational plan. I am torn between pity and scorn.

AND JUST FOR THE RECORD… not ONE well regulated Militia was in attendance at any point. The word Militia was not in ANY of the federal indictment docs. The Militia meme was promoted by Gov and the Media. And perhaps by the Bundys.

I am so sick of any group of folks with guns using the term. If you do not have a code of conduct, bylaws, chain of command, elections, selections, regular qualifications and regular real world training YOU are not a Militia. No Uniform? NO patch? No unit identifier? You are NOT well regulated Militiamen, as far as WE are concerned.

Article 4 of the Third Geneva Convention
A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:
1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.
2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfill the following conditions:
(a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
(c) That of carrying arms openly;
(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

6. Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.

Having said all that, we did support the SPIRIT of the normal protesters! But, once local support was voided, and multiple APs exposed, and glaring errors in strategy, tactics, logistics, intelligence and security pointed out, they went ahead anyway. FROM THAT MOMENT ONWARD they were fucked. Well and truly fucked. Not ONE unit east of the Rockies mobilized for this. We alerted in our local AOs, for sure. Our focus remains the same as it always was:
FAMILY
COMMUNITY
COUNTY
COUNTRY
CONSTITUTION

WHEN POLITICAL ELEMENTS (III%ERS, OATHKEEPERS, PATRIOT NETWORKS) TAKE ACTION ON THE CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE FRONT THEY NEED TO OWN IT.

Everyone wants to be Militia, until its time to do Militia shit.
Everyone wants to speak for us, get support from us, claim our allegiance.
Then treat us as the red-headed step-children of the Liberty Movement.

At least the Professionals; JC Dodge, Max, Moseby, Pinelander and others don’t pretend to be our allies. In spite of the pretenses of some of them they care about us enough to be truthful from their own perspective and experience. Hell half our guys are veterans, many in their 20s-30s.

We don’t advertise, we don’t make threats or bluster. We watch and act when when our LOCAL leadership requires it. NO local Militia in Oregon asked for assistance. And we owe no allegiance to corrupt bureaucrats (elected or not) at the state or federal level. Once the broke faith with us, and violated their oaths they LOST ALL LEGITIMACY with us.

WE LIVE in a constant state of rebellion. We have been targeted for assassination, entrapment, IRS persecution and negative media propaganda for DECADES.

90% of you don’t even know us.

So quit pretending to be us. Read the IRA green Book and STFU.

ps: No Militias were advised of this fiasco prior to the seizure.

Sorry Peter, I tried to keep the peace. Really I did.

Son_of_Liberty90
02-11-2016, 12:09 AM
A letter from the men who dance in the shadows:

Who?

AuH20
02-11-2016, 12:11 AM
Who?

The militia you don't see making inflammatory videos on youtube.

Tod
02-11-2016, 12:13 AM
The militia you don't see making inflammatory videos on youtube.

....instead just making "those fools, I could have done it so much better" inflammatory comments.

AuH20
02-11-2016, 12:18 AM
....instead just making "those fools, I could have done it so much better" inflammatory comments.

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

I think that's the main issue in all this. Decide what you want to accomplish. What is the mission statement? Is it civil disobedience or a military style occupation? If it's the latter, you picked a hell of a place to defend with no airpower. Rural flatlands & away from an active population is a general no-no if you are cognizant of the resources the FBI can bring.

kcchiefs6465
02-11-2016, 12:33 AM
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

I think that's the main issue in all this. Decide what you want to accomplish. What is the mission statement? Is it civil disobedience or a military style occupation? If it's the latter, you picked a hell of a place to defend with no airpower. Rural flatlands & away from an active population is a general no-no if you are cognizant of the resources the FBI can bring.
Yes. They need a Donald.

Preferably a government employee who speaks fast and runs circles.

Deborah K
02-11-2016, 01:01 AM
awwww....Victoria Sharp and her siblings are singing to the Four!

Remember, she is the 18 year old who was in the car with Finnicum and witnessed his murder. She and her family were planning on singing for the people at the meeting that they were heading to when he was killed.

Deborah K
02-11-2016, 01:15 AM
Dropping this here: http://annavonreitz.com/updatefebruary10.pdf

Weston White
02-11-2016, 01:35 AM
Cliven Bundy arrested by FBI, jailed in Multnomah County (http://koin.com/2016/02/10/cliven-bundy-arrested-by-fbi-after-flying-into-pdx/)


PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) — Cliven Bundy, the patriarch of a Nevada ranching family, was arrested upon arrival at PDX Wednesday night.
The 74-year-old was arrested by Portland FBI agents on a federal hold, booking information shows.
He is currently lodged in Multnomah County Jail. His booking photo is being temporarily withheld.
KOIN 6 News will have more information shortly.

Cliven Bundy Booking (http://www.mcso.us/PAID/Home/Booking/1364036)

ETA:

They are now charging Cliven for the 2014 Bunkerville incident.

http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/images/news/2016-02/3585/91645/Bundy_Indictment_unsealed.pdf

sparebulb
02-11-2016, 01:48 AM
Cliven Bundy arrested by FBI, jailed in Multnomah County (http://koin.com/2016/02/10/cliven-bundy-arrested-by-fbi-after-flying-into-pdx/)



Cliven Bundy Booking (http://www.mcso.us/PAID/Home/Booking/1364036)

http://allenwestrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/HarryReid.jpg

Chester Copperpot
02-11-2016, 02:16 AM
6 armored vehicles now? i thought this was resolved till tomorrow?


never mind.. its a recording of earlier events

idiom
02-11-2016, 03:09 AM
Inquilab Zindabad


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2phXSYN7zQc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xJ-dU-UTrU

Weston White
02-11-2016, 04:36 AM
They are still sensationalizing the preceding incident:


Cliven Bundy’s two sons, Ammon and Ryan, were both arrested in connection with the standoff in Oregon two weeks ago, following a firefight with federal authorities that resulted in the arrest of close to a dozen militia members and the death of the occupation’s spokesman, LaVoy Finicum.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/11/oregon-militia-standoff-surrender-fbi-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-michele-fiore-cliven-bundy

CPUd
02-11-2016, 04:43 AM
Rumors that the Nevada assemblylady who was driving there has turned around and went back to Portland after the Bundy arrest.

ChristianAnarchist
02-11-2016, 07:25 AM
The goons are gooning big time in Oregon. They never forget and they never forgive. Unfortunately these guys will never see the outside of a cage unless the system completely collapses before they die...

presence
02-11-2016, 07:32 AM
Stream has gotten hot and hostile

Weston White
02-11-2016, 07:33 AM
I guess they are planning to turn themselves in tomorrow with government preacher Graham getting the photo op.

Last update, though FBI not willing to confirm any of this:


Four remaining occupiers of the Malheur wildlife refuge in Burns, Oregon, say they will turn themselves in to the FBI at 8am PST Thursday.

But doubts have been raised over the apparent agreement after Cliven Bundy – a figurehead for the militia and the father of two former Oregon occupiers now in jail – was himself arrested on the way to the scene of the refuge.

Sean Anderson, one of the four, insisted the decision was not a surrender:

We are not surrendering, we’re turning ourselves in …

It goes against everything we believe in but we’re going to do it.

Weston White
02-11-2016, 07:37 AM
"We are not surrendering, we’re turning ourselves in …"


http://weknowmemes.com/generator/uploads/generated/g1370019322472575529.jpg

presence
02-11-2016, 07:51 AM
oops false alarm...

I thought that was shots fired... went silent for about 40 seconds

sounded like machine gun fire... apparently he was starting a truck in the cold

got my heart going for sure

Tod
02-11-2016, 07:57 AM
where you listening at now?

presence
02-11-2016, 07:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOlrSain0lk&feature=youtu.be


*NOT FAMILY FRIENDLY*

Tod
02-11-2016, 08:00 AM
Ohhh....that's from last night. I though you were listening to a new livestream.

presence
02-11-2016, 08:06 AM
lol ok so this is recorded

doh


facepalm

Badger Paul
02-11-2016, 08:13 AM
"Combustibles? Psalms? This is a complete shitshow. "

So that's how the Revolution ends, in poop rain.

And how bright was it for Cliven Bundy to leave the safety of his ranch and fly to Portland? Probably wants to be in jail with his kids. Fine, they'll have plenty of time to spend together now that the Feds got him too.

Bottom line, these people, all these people are just f'ing idiots.

Dance in the shadows? More like brood in the dark.

Dr.3D
02-11-2016, 08:16 AM
So no live stream right now?

Tod
02-11-2016, 08:23 AM
So no live stream right now?

Not that I know of....it may resume between 7 and 8 am Pacific.

Dr.3D
02-11-2016, 08:25 AM
Not that I know of....it may resume between 7 and 8 am Pacific.
I hope so, it would be nice to see the conclusion and everybody walk out peacefully.

DisneyFan
02-11-2016, 08:25 AM
Michelle did a good job. Hopefully the surrender will go as planned.

Tod
02-11-2016, 08:44 AM
They'll all end up spending lots of time in prison, I suppose, and nothing will be accomplished.

Todd
02-11-2016, 08:59 AM
I hope this ends peacefully I really do.

but after listening to this for about an hour.......why on earth do we always get dipshits who display their dipshittery to the whole world defending our rights? Totally unhinged.

Deborah K
02-11-2016, 09:03 AM
I can't find a live feed. I don't even know if the four are aware that Clive Bundy was arrested. The pigs would like nothing more than to kill those 4 and they'll do it if they think no one is listening. I heard Assemblywoman Fiori turned around when she found out that Clive was arrested.

Deborah K
02-11-2016, 09:13 AM
They are still sensationalizing the preceding incident:



http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/11/oregon-militia-standoff-surrender-fbi-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-michele-fiore-cliven-bundy

The Guardian is lying!! There was NO firefight!

JK/SEA
02-11-2016, 09:18 AM
I hope this ends peacefully I really do.

but after listening to this for about an hour.......why on earth do we always get dipshits who display their dipshittery to the whole world defending our rights? Totally unhinged.

yep, possibility exits those 4 get killed, or at the least arrested. Then when they're done arresting all those involved at the refuge they will go after all those involved at the Bundy incident. Then they will go after the Facebook keyboard warriors, then Oath Keepers, then, the III%, and it will be adios to any idea of a 2nd amendment, because we are all cowards.

have a nice day fellow cowards.

wizardwatson
02-11-2016, 09:20 AM
yep, possibility exits those 4 get killed, or at the least arrested. Then when they're done arresting all those involved at the refuge they will go after all those involved at the Bundy incident. Then they will go after the Facebook keyboard warriors, then Oath Keepers, then, the III%, and it will be adios to any idea of a 2nd amendment, because we are all cowards.

have a nice day fellow cowards.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonage/images/2/2a/Anchorman-well-that-escalated-quickly.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120921164818

JK/SEA
02-11-2016, 09:25 AM
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonage/images/2/2a/Anchorman-well-that-escalated-quickly.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120921164818

i'm not the only one saying that.

My truth bomb for the year has come early.

AuH20
02-11-2016, 09:26 AM
I hope this ends peacefully I really do.

but after listening to this for about an hour.......why on earth do we always get dipshits who display their dipshittery to the whole world defending our rights? Totally unhinged.

Good question. They exhibit weakness, which is a PSYOPS wet dream. This is like listening to a PSA on federal dominance, even though it's largely propaganda.

Deborah K
02-11-2016, 09:27 AM
Sandy Anderson is posting on her husband's FB page. https://www.facebook.com/sean.anderson.1297

AuH20
02-11-2016, 09:29 AM
Found this on their facebook page. Well played.

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12661760_1010964258947064_1956957837458364490_n.jp g?oh=f79e10b27c4249f4312e0a68a6214948&oe=573699BE

phill4paul
02-11-2016, 09:32 AM
Sandy Anderson is posting on her husband's FB page. https://www.facebook.com/sean.anderson.1297

Didn't take long to shut that down...
Sorry, this content isn't available at the moment

NVM: It was just the link. The page is still up.

Dr.3D
02-11-2016, 09:33 AM
I don't understand. If the live feed was all that was keeping them alive, why didn't they keep it going?

Deborah K
02-11-2016, 09:34 AM
They arrested Cliven Bundy for what??? For what???? Trumped up charges, that's what. What are Fiori and Graham going to accomplish? Fiori just told Sandy Anderson that the FBI is not playing nice.

I'm at a loss as to what to do. I can't hang.

Todd
02-11-2016, 09:34 AM
yep, possibility exits those 4 get killed, or at the least arrested. Then when they're done arresting all those involved at the refuge they will go after all those involved at the Bundy incident. Then they will go after the Facebook keyboard warriors, then Oath Keepers, then, the III%, and it will be adios to any idea of a 2nd amendment, because we are all cowards.

have a nice day fellow cowards.

You misunderstand...I support them.

But they are asshats.

Dr.3D
02-11-2016, 09:36 AM
Something happening here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lAYQLD-ZuY

Deborah K
02-11-2016, 09:37 AM
I don't understand. If the live feed was all that was keeping them alive, why didn't they keep it going?

I asked that too, on FB. Naivety. They thought Fiori had a handle on this, but clearly she doesn't. They must feel abandoned. I feel helpless and hopeless.

phill4paul
02-11-2016, 09:37 AM
They arrested Cliven Bundy for what??? For what???? Trumped up charges, that's what. What are Fiori and Graham going to accomplish? Fiori just told Sandy Anderson that the FBI is not playing nice.

I'm at a loss as to what to do. I can't hang.

Charges related to his declaration that the occupation wasn't over and that he was taking charge.

Booking info doesn't show any charges pending

http://www.mcso.us/PAID/Home/Booking/1364036

phill4paul
02-11-2016, 09:40 AM
livestream of one of the roadblocks.

http://interactive.kgw.com/mobile/breaking-video-2.html

AuH20
02-11-2016, 09:42 AM
The only silver lining in all this has been the FBI's restraint. They have reliable intel that any escalation would be detrimental to their organization.

Deborah K
02-11-2016, 09:45 AM
They just said Gavin was live again.

Todd
02-11-2016, 09:47 AM
The only silver lining in all this has been the FBI's restraint. They have reliable intel that any escalation would be detrimental to their organization.


Does anyone know how the public is holding them accountable for their actions besides the live feeds? What is keeping them restrained?

Deborah K
02-11-2016, 09:47 AM
Here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=616S8t9tek4

CPUd
02-11-2016, 09:50 AM
697784228654616576

AuH20
02-11-2016, 09:51 AM
697784228654616576

Scumbag woman.

Deborah K
02-11-2016, 09:53 AM
The comments sicken me. This country is lost.

DisneyFan
02-11-2016, 09:55 AM
Lots of trolls in the comment stream. Sickening, but not surprising.

Deborah K
02-11-2016, 09:56 AM
"Combustibles? Psalms? This is a complete shitshow. "

So that's how the Revolution ends, in poop rain.

And how bright was it for Cliven Bundy to leave the safety of his ranch and fly to Portland? Probably wants to be in jail with his kids. Fine, they'll have plenty of time to spend together now that the Feds got him too.

Bottom line, these people, all these people are just f'ing idiots.

Dance in the shadows? More like brood in the dark.

Go fuck yourself.