If Cruz has the decency to select Rand as running mate...

[lordindra3]

Is the only conceivable way I'm voting for a Republican.... Other than that low possibility, I'm all in for Bernie Sanders ONLY AS A PROTEST VOTE FOR PEACE... If not for Bernie (I'm NOT a socialist. It's only a protest vote) I'm voting 3rd party

[65fastback2+2]

Peace? Right.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/10/07/sand-o07.html

[adam220891]

Fuck Cruz.

Decency and Cruz don't belong in the same sentence.

[Kotin]

he won't do that.. he will pick some douchebag who can help him win the general in his mind..


he does not support rand or his principles.. he used him.

[Joeinmo]

Cruz won't win the nomination

[Chieppa1]

Rand just needs to go back to the Senate and grind this fucking thing to a halt.

I almost hope Cruz wins so he can call him out on every flip-flop he pulls during his time as prez.

[lordindra3]

Ok you got me on Bernie being for peace lol.... As for Cruz, he's a spineless opportunist I agree. But if pigs fly n the decency comes out in Cruz n he selects Rand I'll vote. To me it would be smart of Cruz because Rand does so well with independents. All I know is if Rubio becomes president I will want to leave the country for WW3 will be on the horizon.

[idiom]

I always thought Rand would be an excellent VP for Trump actually. Trump needs a lot of guidance.

[nasaal]

No interest. Cruz is Cruz, and it doesn't get much worse than that

[ds21089]

I'm betting Rubio is nominee with Cruz as VP.

[lordindra3]

God fucking help us!!! I can't imagine a worse ticket

[Jeremy]

I'm betting Rubio is nominee with Cruz as VP.
Would be smarter to pick Kasich.

[Spikender]

Vote for Sanders as a protest?

I don't see the point in a protest vote for someone with the opposite of all of your views when you can just write in or vote third party. You can both protest and vote with your conscience that way.

[thatpeculiarcat]

Trump/Paul, Cruz/Paul--any of the GOP candidates + Paul as their running mate will not get my vote.

If Paul endorses Ted or Trump before the convention, we'll know something was done behind closed doors.

[ds21089]

Trump/Paul, Cruz/Paul--any of the GOP candidates + Paul as their running mate will not get my vote.

If Paul endorses Ted or Trump before the convention, we'll know something was done behind closed doors.

I'd vote for Trump/Paul and pray Trump has a heart attack. I know that's horrible to say, but.. one horrible person gone for the sake of millions isn't a bad trade. For this very reason though they wouldn't ever risk putting a good guy as a VP slot either.

[ProBlue33]

JUST NO, dirty tricks galore are being exposed by the minute today.

[65fastback2+2]

Ok you got me on Bernie being for peace lol....

bernie talks a good game...but at the end of the day, he'll war like the others.

[angelatc]

Vote for Sanders as a protest?

I don't see the point in a protest vote for someone with the opposite of all of your views when you can just write in or vote third party. You can both protest and vote with your conscience that way.

I am probably going to vote for Sanders in the primary, as a vote against HRC. If Cruz wins, this is probably going to be one of the rare years when I vote for the GOP andidate because SCOTUS is in play, big time.

I don't see any significant difference between the GOP war platform and Her Royal Cinton's. But I do have hope that Cruz would appoint more conservative choices than she would. Maybe he won't. But I know damned straight she will not.

[Crashland]

I would vote for any candidate if Rand was VP, but no one is going to pick Rand as VP so...

[hells_unicorn]

Cruz won't select Rand as his VP, his Goldman Sachs handlers would disown him and flock to his democrat opponent without hesitation.

[65fastback2+2]

I am probably going to vote for Sanders in the primary, as a vote against HRC. If Cruz wins, this is probably going to be one of the rare years when I vote for the GOP andidate because SCOTUS is in play, big time.

I don't see any significant difference between the GOP war platform and Her Royal Cinton's. But I do have hope that Cruz would appoint more conservative choices than she would. Maybe he won't. But I know damned straight she will not.

I always write in if i have too and refuse to vote lesser of two evils....but the scotus thing sure does have me considering at least

[Spikender]

I am probably going to vote for Sanders in the primary, as a vote against HRC. If Cruz wins, this is probably going to be one of the rare years when I vote for the GOP andidate because SCOTUS is in play, big time.

I don't see any significant difference between the GOP war platform and Her Royal Cinton's. But I do have hope that Cruz would appoint more conservative choices than she would. Maybe he won't. But I know damned straight she will not.

Do what you must, but I agree that Sanders > Clinton. Hillary deserves to be chained to a gulag wall.

[ds21089]

If Cruz wins, this is probably going to be one of the rare years when I vote for the GOP candidate because SCOTUS is in play, big time.

Can you elaborate? What makes you think that corrupt, bought out Cruz would ever place a good person in a position of power?

[CPUd]

Cruz would nominate Bush people like John Roberts.

[Murray N Rothbard]

Can you elaborate? What makes you think that corrupt, bought out Cruz would ever place a good person in a position of power?

I'd give him some more credit than this. He's got a pretty strong legal background and is intelligent. Obama made great choices for nominees (as young and extreme left as possible) from a Liberal's perspective. I think Cruz would make equally strong choices for the conservative side.

It is a good point that this election year matters for no other reason than the SCOTUS. You don't want to see who Hillary or Bernie Sanders :eek: nominate do you?

[Cabal]

Is the only conceivable way I'm voting for a Republican.... Other than that low possibility, I'm all in for Bernie Sanders ONLY AS A PROTEST VOTE FOR PEACE... If not for Bernie (I'm NOT a socialist. It's only a protest vote) I'm voting 3rd party

Bernie Sanders supported Clinton's intervention in Kosovo in 1999. When people protested against this, he had the protesters arrested.

Bernie Sanders has supported appropriations bills that funded interventionist policies in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Bernie Sanders does not support withdrawal from Iraq.

Bernie Sanders has supported aiding Israel in the Lebanon conflict, and has generally supported anything pro-Israel.

Bernie Sanders has supported Palestinian sanctions.

Bernie Sanders supported the Iran Freedom Support Act--sanctions and precursor steps to conflict in Iran.

Bernie Sanders supports Obama's Drone program.

Bernie Sanders supports intervention in Syria.

Bernie Sanders supported intervention in the Ukraine-Russia conflict, and has generally adopted hawkish language where Putin and Russia are concerned.

Bernie Sanders has basically supported Obama's foreign policy in general.

What military cuts as he proposed? None as far as I can tell.

Bernie is just as hawkish as anyone else. Voting for Bernie is not voting for peace.

[luctor-et-emergo]

I bet Cruz would pick someone like Tom Cotton.

[notsure]

VP to Trump, I can get down with; but a VP to Cruz, I don't think I could vote for that ticket.

[Antwan15]

how people are so dumb to think that sanders is a "peace" candidate is beyond me. Do you (OP) even pay attention to politics? The amount of disinformation is mind boggling. You would think with the internet the truth would become more prevalent, but alas, we have digressed.

[Maltheus]

I'd rather have one decent Senator over a useless vice president.

[RPfan1992]

Cruz is unlikely to be the nominee, he is not competitive in any states except a few southern states.

[unknown]

I dont think the GOP establishment will back Cruz, hes too polarizing on a national level. Plus hes Canadian. The lawsuits have already begun.

Rubio (the nothing) will get the establishment nod.

Fuck Socialist Sanders. Tired of hearing that fucker's name on these forums.

[Sunshine_State]

Cruz will not be the nominee. I predict Rubio (puke) and Kasich (double puke). I am so depressed today. I knew Rand was a long shot, but I did not expect him to drop out so soon. Why did he say he was going to NH the other night and then drop out. Did he get pressured?

[cajuncocoa]

I hope he doesn't select Rand as his running mate, because that will just destroy the liberty message even further when Rand is asked to campaign for the hypothetical Cruz/Paul ticket, supporting whatever Cruz stands for. *barf*

[lordindra3]

Guys, I already tried to save face by admitting that I didn't realize Sandere was so war like! It was my bad, you already proved it to me.... sorry I felt bad when you called out stupidity to those who think sanders is a peace candidate... I was ignorant, not stupid.. Again I'm saving face here, not admitting I'm stupid. I'm actually one of the best debators I've met as well my entire social circle... Doesn't mean I'm not prone to error and I never debate much on this forum simply due to agreeing so much with you all. I used to debate you guys about Israel UNTIL YOU SHOWED ME THE LIGHT (I was a neocon before 08 Ron Paul slowly but surely turned me into a full blow libertarian-the right leaning variety... So I used to support Israel on this site, but now I resent the hell out of Israel)... However I only extend that credit to this site. There is a plethora of BRAIN DEAD IDIOT IDEOLOGUES ON (the late) DailyPaul/"PopLib" who are just as dogmatic n closed minded as boobus Americanus neocon Hannity watching voters.... I'm near personal friends with Michael Medved (at least acquaintances, he knows me by face and name n have met several times in person) after being his most frequent caller over the last 10+ years (he is by far as the best neocon debater among mainstream conservative political pundits.. He used to whoop me.. For those who listen frequently you know A, he hardly ever loses debate, B, I'm "Lucas from Seattle-friend of the show") and I haven't lost a debate with him in over 6 years (well maybe 1-3xs out of 50 calls)... I've whooped Lars Larson 3xs of 3 calls n won't take my calls any more... I've been invited to do segmented debates with black nationalists Tariq Nasheed and Dr Umar Johnson etc....

This self defense post is petty, unnecessary n silly I know, i just don't take being called stupid lightly (I'm not resentful out of spite, I'm just proud of my intellectual, non emotional, rational mindset and want to be taken seriously) even though I could tell it wasn't personal...

Now I admit I should n probably will vote 3rd party like I did in 2012 after Ron dropped out. But I admit my words about voting for Bernie was emotional because I'm angry. On paper Cruz is solid (cummon he was against NDAA n regime change votes) BUT his spineless opportunism made me not trust him UNLESS he selects Rand Paul as VP.... Unlikely I know.... Even tho I am solid libertarian, if I'm forced to choose, I'd rather spend bankruptcy crushing debt money AT HOME or over seas killing humans to make an evil corporate elite rich, I'll choose domestic spending... But I just feel if a Bernie was elected, that may give Rand a chance in 4 years. If a neocon republican is voted in, Rand won't have another chance until he is his dad's age in 2012... All I know is without Rand as the VP, shit looks pretty bleak all around n I may just have to quit caring about politics n start some self help n self improvement hobbies lol... I'm an avid meditator (I do Buddhist Sadhanas as well as Transcendental Meditation twice a day AND THE LAST 3 DAYS HAVE BEEN THE MOST DIFFICULT DAYS OF MEDITATION IVE HAD! In other words I'm so stressed n upset that I can't enter the meditational "trance state" (called "samadhi" in sanskrit... It's the state that u need to be considered effective meditation)! That's pretty bad. Meditation is supposed to make me "let go" but if I can't even go into the "trance state" then I'm essentially "just sitting" with hardly any benefit. That's rare experience for me so shit is REALLY bothering me to my core:-/

[Hrothgar]

If one is willing to vote for a full blown Communist(Sanders) then they are NOT Libertarian, Conservative or Right leaning, period.

[Jan2017]

Would be smarter to pick Kasich.

Kasich is definitely in play as VP - with Carly as one of the right demographic but a disaster,
and Christie too much . . . uh . . . baggage and negotiating with dead middle east Kings planned.

Aside from everything else and the oxymoron of putting the word decency near TrusTed,
I ask if definitely Rand could be on the ballot as US Senator in Kentucky and as GOP Vice-President nominee of someone
in the same election - or not?

[Jeffster]

I would vote for a Cruz/Paul ticket. I doubt he would choose Rand since they're both first term senators but I would support it if he did.

[Evilfox]

Cruz will pick who ever Goldman Sachs tells his wife to tell Ted to pick. End of story.

[groverblue]

Rand just needs to go back to the Senate and grind this fucking thing to a halt.

I almost hope Cruz wins so he can call him out on every flip-flop he pulls during his time as prez.

Bring the fucking house of cards down. I told him to go hardcore libertarian. Introduce End The Fed, repeal 16th & 17th, etc, etc. Send letters to EVERY Senator asking for co-sponsors and expose those who won't.

Bring the system to a halt.

[69360]

If I was Rand, I would stay as a respected and influential senator than a powerless VP. Besides Cheny, VPs have had very little influence.

[Liberty74]

bernie talks a good game...but at the end of the day, he'll war like the others.

Bernie is an economic illiterate. The guy is bat shit crazy too. His entire political philosophy is based on violence - steal and enslave the masses. Bernie is also against human rights which essentially is individual rights. Bernie says you HAVE NONE. Your sorry ass belongs to the state. Now do as he says.

[James Otis, Jr.]

Bernie is an economic illiterate. The guy is bat shit crazy too. His entire political philosophy is based on violence - steal and enslave the masses. Bernie is also against human rights which essentially is individual rights. Bernie says you HAVE NONE. Your sorry ass belongs to the state. Now do as he says.

Yes, it is so frustrating to see so many here have no idea that Bernie Sanders is the antithesis of Ron Paul and libertarian philosophy. Sanders, across all issues, seeks to empower the state, whereas Paul seeks to empower individuals. Bernie Sanders has the most dangerous ideology of any of the candidates.

[r3volution 3.0]

...Rand should turn it down.

Rand shouldn't be on a losing ticket with that fake bitch conservative.

*Cruz To Luz*

[waxtats]

Won't happen. Rand is holding on to Kentucky for us. Cruz will pick Rubio hands down no questions asked. Need to win FL.


Is the only conceivable way I'm voting for a Republican....

Thanks for helping the Democrats win.

[Origanalist]

I'd give him some more credit than this. He's got a pretty strong legal background and is intelligent. Obama made great choices for nominees (as young and extreme left as possible) from a Liberal's perspective. I think Cruz would make equally strong choices for the conservative side.

It is a good point that this election year matters for no other reason than the SCOTUS. You don't want to see who Hillary or Bernie Sanders :eek: nominate do you?

This is bullshit in the extreme. Ted Cruz would nominate supposed "conservatives" just like Bush did. Sell that snake oil somewhere else.

[Origanalist]

Won't happen. Rand is holding on to Kentucky for us. Cruz will pick Rubio hands down no questions asked. Need to win FL.



Thanks for helping the Democrats win.

No shit, how dare you hasten the decline? :mad:

[Liberty74]

Bernie is pro war on his own people. Bernie promotes a violent philosophy of theft and enslavement. Basically, Bernie is anti-human because he is pro collectivism and anti individualism. And his delusional flock eats that shit up!

Gary Johnson 2016 for now...

[fedupinmo]

I'd give him some more credit than this. He's got a pretty strong legal background and is intelligent. Obama made great choices for nominees (as young and extreme left as possible) from a Liberal's perspective. I think Cruz would make equally strong choices for the conservative side.

It is a good point that this election year matters for no other reason than the SCOTUS. You don't want to see who Hillary or Bernie Sanders :eek: nominate do you?

You'd think he would know about Rogers v. Bellei and United States v Wong Kim Ark... both cases say he is a naturalized citizen and not eligible for the presidency. Bellei even says he is not a Constitutional citizen at all, that his citizenship is completely statutory.

[Havax]

You guys have lost it. Rand is EXTREMELY unlikable. Everyone I talk to outside of the liberty movement thinks he's annoying, short, goofy hair, etc. He has ZERO chance of even being considered for VP by any candidate. I love Rand - I'm just telling you the cold hard truth about what people think. Embrace reality people.

[jkob]

The only reason they would even think about giving Rand the VP spot would be to get him out of the senate.

[sam1952]

You guys have lost it. Rand is EXTREMELY unlikable. Everyone I talk to outside of the liberty movement thinks he's annoying, short, goofy hair, etc. He has ZERO chance of even being considered for VP by any candidate. I love Rand - I'm just telling you the cold hard truth about what people think. Embrace reality people.

Unfortunately I found this to be true... all the while praising his very ideas when they are stolen by other candidates. The media has done a great job marginalizing him.

[Primordial]

Noticed the following email in my spam this am:


Cruz for America: Rand Paul Supporters Endorse Ted Cruz email@conservativeintel.com


Fellow Conservative:
There is a strong wave of liberty movement leaders in early primary states stepping up to support Ted Cruz for President.

Rand Paul’s New Hampshire campaign chairman, state senator Kevin Avard, and other leadership endorsed Cruz because he will fight for the Constitution, protect the Second Amendment, and take on the establishment.

...bla bla donate..

John Drogin
Executive Director, Make DC Listen
Cruz for Senate Campaign Manager, 2012


Typical no shame team Cruz. Didn't the guy say he specifically would not endorse Cruz or was that another guy?

[euphemia]

I don't think Cruz will be the nominee. People keep talking about polling among evangelicals. I think even evangelicals have seen that a candidate will say certain things. Once elected, they forget what they ever said. The Constitution is correct. There is no relgious test, and I think it's for a good reason. People will say anything to get elected.

[limequat]

Noticed the following email in my spam this am:



Typical no shame team Cruz. Didn't the guy say he specifically would not endorse Cruz or was that another guy?

I got that one too. I wonder how they got my email. Fuck Cruz.

[eleganz]

Whole premise of this thread is wrong. Cruz will never be the nominee so he won't need to pick any VPs.

[Aratus]

Won't happen. Rand is holding on to Kentucky for us.
Cruz will pick Rubio hands down no questions asked. Need to win FL.



Thanks for helping the Democrats win.


I think Cruz does not have to pick Rubio, but Rubio
must find a bright way to buy off Cruz! Cruz could
offer the VEEP job to MITT and DONALD at the same
time as he sets both guys against each other. Then
he goes to Mitch McConnell an' asks him to muzzle Marco.
That way, when he eats crow, its done privately and well.

[Primordial]

I got that one too. I wonder how they got my email. Fuck Cruz.

Go another one, is this true? I think they got my email from Campaign for Liberty somehow..


Fellow Conservative:

Congressman Justin Amash just endorsed Ted Cruz for President calling him “a principled defender of the Constitution.”

“We owe it to our beliefs to find constitutional conservative political allies who not only respect our philosophy but also fight for our views to be heard, said Amash. "We have found such an ally in Senator Ted Cruz.”

[eleganz]

You guys have lost it. Rand is EXTREMELY unlikable. Everyone I talk to outside of the liberty movement thinks he's annoying, short, goofy hair, etc. He has ZERO chance of even being considered for VP by any candidate. I love Rand - I'm just telling you the cold hard truth about what people think. Embrace reality people.

So you talked to 2 people, thats nice.

Working within the GOP, I found that typical party loyalist Republicans really like Rand, except on foreign policy.

Most people outside of political fanaticism don't really know much about the candidates but we do know, from polls, that Rand is relatively favorable (contrasted to other candidates) with independents.

But you know, let's just take whatever we hear the the Thanksgiving dinner table and accept that as full reality.

[Peace Piper]

I dont think the GOP establishment will back Cruz, hes too polarizing on a national level. Plus hes Canadian. The lawsuits have already begun.

What is the definition of "Natural Born"?


No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

The Twelfth Amendment states, "No person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

Cruz doesn't qualify for President OR Vp. Why has he been allowed to proceed this far? More evidence that neither party really cares about the Constitution, except when pandering for votes

Did Ron Paul Inc. and Jesse Benton accept a bribe from the dishonest warmonger punk Cruz for an endorsement? Does anyone care?

The Cruz endorsement was the beginning of the fall of Paul. I wouldn't vote for Cruz if someone held a gun to my head.

[jmdrake]

Is the only conceivable way I'm voting for a Republican.... Other than that low possibility, I'm all in for Bernie Sanders ONLY AS A PROTEST VOTE FOR PEACE... If not for Bernie (I'm NOT a socialist. It's only a protest vote) I'm voting 3rd party

No way I'd support Bernie in the general and at this point I can't support him even as a protest vote in the primary. His bulk of his support comes from insufferable zealots who have really drunk the kool aid. They will actually see a Bernie win as some kind of mandate to push through his ideas. If you don't support single payer than you supposedly just want poor peole to die. Funny, but wasn't that the argument for Obamacare? How can they use the same argument for their push to replace Obamacare with even more government?

[jmdrake]

If I was Rand, I would stay as a respected and influential senator than a powerless VP. Besides Cheny, VPs have had very little influence.

True. And if Trump's presidency is a disaster, and I suspect it will be, then Rand will have no possibility of running for president in the future. Even if it's not a disaster, Rand will be forever tied to policies that he may very well disagree with. Besides, Trump isn't going to pick Rand as a running mate. No way, no how. Why should he? You pick your running mate based on who has demonstrated an ability to pull in votes. Rand hasn't done that on the presidential level. Trump would mathematically be better of picking Cruz or Rubio. He can have them.

[jmdrake]

You guys have lost it. Rand is EXTREMELY unlikable. Everyone I talk to outside of the liberty movement thinks he's annoying, short, goofy hair, etc. He has ZERO chance of even being considered for VP by any candidate. I love Rand - I'm just telling you the cold hard truth about what people think. Embrace reality people.

Bollocks! The very same polls which had Rand hovering at 5% had him with a great favorability rating. He's not "unliked" at all. Talk radio jackasses did misrepresent his positions. "Oh I like Rand Paul....but he's for amnesty." Bull! His position was no more amnesty than Donald Trump's "Let's deport all of the illegals....then let most of them back in" position. Only Trump made his position sound harsher by talking about Mexico sending its rapists and murderers across the border. Well played troll Mr. Trump, well played. It wasn't racist but it struck enough racist cords for people to think he's racist. That helped him in several ways.

1) It caused the media to attack him. Anyone paying attention (likely republican voters) saw the fake attack for what it was, perceived it as an attack on them (If you don't want rapists and murderers in the country then you're a racist).

2) It caused real racists to back Trump. (The recent David Duke endorsement is a prime example).

3) It covered up the fact that Trump is as pro amnesty as they come.

4) It made people forget Trump has spent most of his life as being openly progressive.

5) After that, Trump could say whatever the hell he wanted to and get away with it. Insult all U.S. POWs in his attack on John McCain? Pffft....anybody who doesn't like that is just "politically correct." Talk about Megan Kelly mensturating? Pffft....anybody that doesn't like that is just "politically correct." Talk about George Bush being responsible for allowing 9/11 to happen? Should be political suicide in a republican nomination process right? Pfffft....anybody that doesn't like that is pro establishment.

I can't stand Donald Trump but I have to admire his political brilliance. It's like watching the beauty of an atomic explosion from ground zero with no protection. For the nanosecond you have to watch it before being vaporized it is a glorious sight to behold!

[Cleaner44]

Since when do candidates that fail to win the nomination pick a running mate?

[mit26chell]

Trump has been excellent entertainment. I die laughing when he makes fun of Rubio's sweating problem. So hilarious:

[CPUd]

What is the definition of "Natural Born"?



Cruz doesn't qualify for President OR Vp. Why has he been allowed to proceed this far? More evidence that neither party really cares about the Constitution, except when pandering for votes

Did Ron Paul Inc. and Jesse Benton accept a bribe from the dishonest warmonger punk Cruz for an endorsement? Does anyone care?

The Cruz endorsement was the beginning of the fall of Paul. I wouldn't vote for Cruz if someone held a gun to my head.

Most likely it was a means to align himself with the TX grassroots who hated Rick Perry and David Dewhurst.

[thoughtomator]

Anyone who thinks there's a decent bone in Cruz' body is staggeringly naive. He could not be slimier, on the Slimy Scale he rates 2.5 Kristols.

[helenpaul]

if rubio is the nominee i will vote for hillary. Hope rand doesnt endorse the establishment

[CPUd]

if rubio is the nominee i will vote for hillary. Hope rand doesnt endorse the establishment

Rand has already said he will endorse the nominee.