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jbauer
02-03-2016, 03:03 PM
What happens to this place? I know it'll still be here for awhile but some of the "Ron Paul" voters and supporters of 2008 and 2012 have already left. The Dailypaul is gone. The actual Ron Paul forum doesn't get traffic or posts.

Where does that leave us? I'm not a hardcore libertarian. I enjoy this place because I can come read about a guy pooping in a bucket (in the freedom living forum...great story by the way...read it). I can read Antifederalists "dog got shot" stuff in the politics forum. I can read about BS legislation from TARP to CISPA to the latest "Free trade agreement" and on and on and on.

I frankly didn't know you guys even existed till Ron Paul ran for president. Thought maybe it was just me that was messed up in the head. I don't want to loose this or a similar type environment. I don't have all day to scour the various news places on the internet. I hope that one day I don't try and log into this place and its gone.

If the intent is to keep this place going, it will require a name change or re branding though. In years to come Ron will end up being a footnote in political history. But dammit he sure was important to me.

Tough day, sorry for the ramble.

Joeinmo
02-03-2016, 03:05 PM
Liberty is not about one candidate, and if you truly want to win, you need to take over the party and this is great central place to do it

also acalltopaul.com

Kotin
02-03-2016, 03:07 PM
I'll be here till its gone.. great place for intelligent conversation and up-to-date news

jllundqu
02-03-2016, 03:10 PM
What happens to this place? I know it'll still be here for awhile but some of the "Ron Paul" voters and supporters of 2008 and 2012 have already left. The Dailypaul is gone. The actual Ron Paul forum doesn't get traffic or posts.

Where does that leave us? I'm not a hardcore libertarian. I enjoy this place because I can come read about a guy pooping in a bucket (in the freedom living forum...great story by the way...read it). I can read Antifederalists "dog got shot" stuff in the politics forum. I can read about BS legislation from TARP to CISPA to the latest "Free trade agreement" and on and on and on.

I frankly didn't know you guys even existed till Ron Paul ran for president. Thought maybe it was just me that was messed up in the head. I don't want to loose this or a similar type environment. I don't have all day to scour the various news places on the internet. I hope that one day I don't try and log into this place and its gone.

If the intent is to keep this place going, it will require a name change or re branding though. In years to come Ron will end up being a footnote in political history. But dammit he sure was important to me.

Tough day, sorry for the ramble.

I agree. The mission of RPF has been to put Paul in the white house. That is now out the window (in the near to mid term). Many will leave, many will stay. Perhaps a 'rename or rebrand' would be appropriate so as to focus not so much on the Pauls but on Liberty altogether, in all its forms, and on all levels.

Indy Vidual
02-03-2016, 03:11 PM
This movement needs a large source of money with no strings attached.

dannno
02-03-2016, 03:12 PM
Time will tell, but this is still probably the best place to discuss liberty in a broad sense. There may or may not be better places if you are into the militia/bundy situation, there may or may not be better places to discuss ending the war on drugs, there may or may not be better places to discuss a peaceful foreign policy - but this place brings all those together and more. That is because Ron Paul had the most comprehensive, consistent, principled belief in liberty of any major politician or celebrity in decades.

If someone else comes along who is that consistent, we can adopt them into discussion and maybe even create a forum. But until then, there is nowhere else to go, so we should probably stay here.

Spikender
02-03-2016, 03:17 PM
I still see a long road of shit-spewing over Trump and Cruz, who both have supporters on this website, before we fade into obscurity and I find another website to post terrible opinions on.

dannno
02-03-2016, 03:18 PM
I agree. The mission of RPF has been to put Paul in the white house. That is now out the window (in the near to mid term). Many will leave, many will stay. Perhaps a 'rename or rebrand' would be appropriate so as to focus not so much on the Pauls but on Liberty altogether, in all its forms, and on all levels.

"Liberty" means different things to different people. There are progressives who actually believe that our brand of liberty, real liberty, is fascism because we don't want to let them have their welfare state and opportunity to get single payer health insurance. They want the "liberty" to enforce their mandates on everybody else through the democratic process.

Ron Paul did a great job of educating people about what real liberty actually means, and he did that for a broad spectrum of the population. Ron Paul is good to have front and center for as long as it takes at least until another person steps up who has the understanding and influence that he did.

Unknownuser
02-03-2016, 03:19 PM
Why rebrand or rename? We all came here because of Ron. Who cares if he or his son are not running for POTUS.

dannno
02-03-2016, 03:20 PM
I still see a long road of shit-spewing over Trump and Cruz, who both have supporters on this website, before we fade into obscurity and I find another website to post terrible opinions on.

Fortunately they are the minority, as the poll indicated, only about 33% of the site voted for anything besides LP/CP or non-vote.

adam220891
02-03-2016, 03:29 PM
I will be here.

Chieppa1
02-03-2016, 03:31 PM
Nothing.

Spikender
02-03-2016, 03:35 PM
Fortunately they are the minority, as the poll indicated, only about 33% of the site voted for anything besides LP/CP or non-vote.

A significant minority nevertheless. And more vocal than I or many others who are more strict with our libertarian leanings.

Libertas Aut Mortis
02-03-2016, 03:37 PM
I guess I am on the brink of feeling lost as well.

I signed up for RPF just a few days ago, and then all of this happens. I finally found a place full of like minded people, and then the rug got pulled out from underneath me.

So I'm hoping we can all stay together on here to advance our cause together. But there are so many questions now that we are ready in the wilderness.

Ted is are really slimy, backstabbing neocon, who will say or do anything to get elected. He is Ron Paul's biggest mistake.

Rubio is basically Cuban Obama.

Trump is Pat Buchanan if he was crossed with Michael Bloomberg and George Lincoln Rockwell.

Carson is a good man, but will be led by "the experts"...

Bush...is Bush. Also a good man, but not a man of Liberty at all.

The rest are essentially done.

The Constitution Party seem appealing, but they are only half right, for all of the wrong reasons. I don't want a theocracy, or protectionism. I want to be left alone!

The Libertarian Party would seem like the logical choice...but honestly, they are as bad ares Cruz. They brag about not supporting Paul, they actively hurt him in fact. Their message is being subverted by fedora wearing social justice warriors. They are also half right...for all the wrong reasons. The drug war shouldn't be abandoned because it doesn't work. It should be abandoned because it violates basic human liberty and the Constitution. When is the last time you heard the LP defend the Constitution...as opposed to hearing them try to use the Constitution to defend their positions.

I don't know who to vote for. It can't be the Dems. It won't be the Repubs. Not pro-choice hippy Gary Johnson. Not a 'Constitutionalist' theocratic from the CP. I just can't.

I guess I'll be writing in Paul then. But then what...how long do I have to live ignored and unrepresented? God I hate stupid people so, so much.

Kotin
02-03-2016, 03:42 PM
I guess I am on the brink of feeling lost as well.

I signed up for RPF just a few days ago, and then all of this happens. I finally found a place full of like minded people, and then the rug got pulled out from underneath me.

So I'm hoping we can all stay together on here to advance our cause together. But there are so many questions now that we are ready in the wilderness.

Ted is are really slimy, backstabbing neocon, who will say or do anything to get elected. He is Ron Paul's biggest mistake.

Rubio is basically Cuban Obama.

Trump is Pat Buchanan if he was crossed with Michael Bloomberg and George Lincoln Rockwell.

Carson is a good man, but will be led by "the experts"...

Bush...is Bush. Also a good man, but not a man of Liberty at all.

The rest are essentially done.

The Constitution Party seem appealing, but they are only half right, for all of the wrong reasons. I don't want a theocracy, or protectionism. I want to be left alone!

The Libertarian Party would seem like the logical choice...but honestly, they are as bad ares Cruz. They brag about not supporting Paul, they actively hurt him in fact. Their message is being subverted by fedora wearing social justice warriors. They are also half right...for all the wrong reasons. The drug war shouldn't be abandoned because it doesn't work. It should be abandoned because it violates basic human liberty and the Constitution. When is the last time you heard the LP defend the Constitution...as opposed to hearing them try to use the Constitution to defend their positions.

I don't know who to vote for. It can't be the Dems. It won't be the Repubs. Not pro-choice hippy Gary Johnson. Not a 'Constitutionalist' theocratic from the CP. I just can't.

I guess I'll be writing in Paul then. But then what...how long do I have to live ignored and unrepresented? God I hate stupid people so, so much.

we have been here a while and I don't forsee us going anywhere.

VIDEODROME
02-03-2016, 03:48 PM
Can I state the obvious choice?



VERMIN SUPREME forums! :p

Chieppa1
02-03-2016, 03:48 PM
Is Deez Nuts still running?

Spikender
02-03-2016, 03:52 PM
Is Deez Nuts still running?

Hopefully they'll run right into Sanders's mouth.

69360
02-03-2016, 03:53 PM
I would assume it stays unless the current owner decides to sell.

wizardwatson
02-03-2016, 04:11 PM
Well, probably just more hot topics thread bumps. And less arguing about Rand. Other than that, I imagine, same ole same ole.

But I wouldn't rebrand. Keep it ronpaulforums. He is still the standard bearer, and countless times we have to remind people it seems that "yes, you can be principled to your bones" and often when people get too wonky on their thoughts it's useful to keep referencing him, so having the site named after the standard bearer is a plus.

I like "liberty forest" too, but it seems a lot of people have wishy washy definitions of liberty (ex. Trumpaloompas confusing "prosperity" with liberty), so still even with "liberty" we need Ron to say precisely what we mean when we say "liberty".

I'm sticking around. I dropped $20 a month ago on this place. In my world of stingy cheapness, that is a significant investment.

angelatc
02-03-2016, 04:18 PM
Most of us who have not gone anywhere by now probably aren't going anywhere now.

thatpeculiarcat
02-03-2016, 04:22 PM
Of course the message was the most important thing, but Ron was what really ignited and united us. I'd hate to see RPF go anywhere, OR be renamed.

ProBlue33
02-03-2016, 04:34 PM
Ron Paul got this party started so the reference to this forum is historically wise to keep.
Like minded people seem to gather in similar forums if they are too different they leave.
Thats' why some have left either in apathy or anger.

parocks
02-03-2016, 04:36 PM
I'll be here till its gone.. great place for intelligent conversation and up-to-date news

keep it going - good news articles. I check it out from time to time.

July
02-03-2016, 04:38 PM
It's really not just this place, old fashioned discussion forums like this one seem to be turning into ghost towns everywhere I go online, as social media has taken over the role discussion forums used to have for a lot of people....

I've been following RP and Rand for years, and rarely post anymore, but I still come hear to read every so often. Sadly I don't know if I see this site picking up with too many new followers, since people seem to just gravitate to Facebook or Twitter or wherever these days. God that makes me feel old, lol.

heavenlyboy34
02-03-2016, 04:52 PM
I don't see any need for name change or re-branding ATM. mises.org is named after a guy who's been dead for several decades and that seems to work out fine.

jllundqu
02-03-2016, 04:54 PM
Is Deez Nuts still running?

SUPREME/NUTZ 2016

Makes Interesting Points
02-03-2016, 05:02 PM
I guess I am on the brink of feeling lost as well.

I signed up for RPF just a few days ago, and then all of this happens. I finally found a place full of like minded people, and then the rug got pulled out from underneath me.

So I'm hoping we can all stay together on here to advance our cause together. But there are so many questions now that we are ready in the wilderness.

Ted is are really slimy, backstabbing neocon, who will say or do anything to get elected. He is Ron Paul's biggest mistake.

Rubio is basically Cuban Obama.

Trump is Pat Buchanan if he was crossed with Michael Bloomberg and George Lincoln Rockwell.

Carson is a good man, but will be led by "the experts"...

Bush...is Bush. Also a good man, but not a man of Liberty at all.

The rest are essentially done.

The Constitution Party seem appealing, but they are only half right, for all of the wrong reasons. I don't want a theocracy, or protectionism. I want to be left alone!

The Libertarian Party would seem like the logical choice...but honestly, they are as bad ares Cruz. They brag about not supporting Paul, they actively hurt him in fact. Their message is being subverted by fedora wearing social justice warriors. They are also half right...for all the wrong reasons. The drug war shouldn't be abandoned because it doesn't work. It should be abandoned because it violates basic human liberty and the Constitution. When is the last time you heard the LP defend the Constitution...as opposed to hearing them try to use the Constitution to defend their positions.

I don't know who to vote for. It can't be the Dems. It won't be the Repubs. Not pro-choice hippy Gary Johnson. Not a 'Constitutionalist' theocratic from the CP. I just can't.

I guess I'll be writing in Paul then. But then what...how long do I have to live ignored and unrepresented? God I hate stupid people so, so much.

Nice. Glad to see someone else who can't really go full on for the Libertarian Party. A lot of mainstream libertarians are mostly driven by self interest and non-priority issues, such as drugs. They often don't have any enthusiasm for capitalism, and have no problem voting Democrat just to spite Republicans on social issues. They're worried about corruption and see freedom as a moral issue, but are just as sucked into the loss of morality slippery slope as Democrats are. Ironically, some Libertarians could actually be better for social conservatism than Republicans, due to willingness to let states decide things. But it would require the right Libertarian, one that is not morally corrupted, for me to trust.

I would argue that the Constitution Party aligns better for many paleocons than LP, even if some if it is for the wrong reasons. Though I am skeptical of the Constitution Party's willingness to tackle certain key issues like the NSA.

However, I don't have much enthusiasm for strengthening a 3rd party that would destroy the Republican Party. Unless the Democratic Party is also destroyed in the process, it would give too much power to the Democrats, and America would fall to socialism. I can't see the Democratic Party being destroyed anytime soon, since there's no diversity of thought in it. Everyone just "goes with the flow" and they always lump farther left with the same ideology over and over. There was practically zero resistance in that party to the introduction of socialism. The only thing I can see stopping the two party machine is a party that can pull in independents somewhat equally from the left and the right. Perhaps a "Populist" or organized "Independent" party. It would have quite a wide range of political ideologies, and a very diverse cast fighting for the nomination each time. If the party had recorded debates, they could gain national attention, as they'd be Democrat V.S. Republican esque, which would give people craving the general election debates early something to watch.

LibertyEagle
02-03-2016, 05:13 PM
"Liberty" means different things to different people. There are progressives who actually believe that our brand of liberty, real liberty, is fascism because we don't want to let them have their welfare state and opportunity to get single payer health insurance. They want the "liberty" to enforce their mandates on everybody else through the democratic process.

Ron Paul did a great job of educating people about what real liberty actually means, and he did that for a broad spectrum of the population. Ron Paul is good to have front and center for as long as it takes at least until another person steps up who has the understanding and influence that he did.

I agree, Danno. I just hope everyone remembers that this place isn't limited to libertarians and anarchists.

LibertyEagle
02-03-2016, 05:15 PM
I don't see any need for name change or re-branding ATM. mises.org is named after a guy who's been dead for several generations and that seems to work out fine.

Dude, he died in 1973.

heavenlyboy34
02-03-2016, 05:20 PM
SUPREME/NUTZ 2016
W00T!!! :D

Suzanimal
02-03-2016, 05:20 PM
we have been here a while and I don't forsee us going anywhere.

This ^^^


"Liberty" means different things to different people. There are progressives who actually believe that our brand of liberty, real liberty, is fascism because we don't want to let them have their welfare state and opportunity to get single payer health insurance. They want the "liberty" to enforce their mandates on everybody else through the democratic process.

Ron Paul did a great job of educating people about what real liberty actually means, and he did that for a broad spectrum of the population. Ron Paul is good to have front and center for as long as it takes at least until another person steps up who has the understanding and influence that he did.

And that ^^^

MaxPower
02-03-2016, 05:20 PM
No renaming or re-branding. Let it stand as a monument to Ron Paul's work in perpetuity.

heavenlyboy34
02-03-2016, 05:21 PM
Dude, he died in 1973.
Typos Happen. Fixed.

phill4paul
02-03-2016, 05:28 PM
we have been here a while and I don't forsee us going anywhere.

http://shirtoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/take-over-the-world.jpg

Libertas Aut Mortis
02-03-2016, 05:44 PM
Nice. Glad to see someone else who can't really go full on for the Libertarian Party. A lot of mainstream libertarians are mostly driven by self interest and non-priority issues, such as drugs. They often don't have any enthusiasm for capitalism, and have no problem voting Democrat just to spite Republicans on social issues. They're worried about corruption and see freedom as a moral issue, but are just as sucked into the loss of morality slippery slope as Democrats are. Ironically, some Libertarians could actually be better for social conservatism than Republicans, due to willingness to let states decide things. But it would require the right Libertarian, one that is not morally corrupted, for me to trust.

I truly believe that you can't have Liberty without Virtue, or Virtue without Liberty...they go hand in hand. The Libertarian Party seems to be resistant to Virtue. The Constitution Party seems to frown upon Liberty. The Democrats are going full Marxist. The Republicans are going full Imperialist.

I was happier when I was ignorant. God...why did I ever look away from that damn TV?

Anti Federalist
02-03-2016, 05:45 PM
I'll be here till its gone.. great place for intelligent conversation and up-to-date news

You and I will be turning the lights out on the way out the door.

Anti Federalist
02-03-2016, 05:49 PM
I would assume it stays unless the current owner decides to sell.

I'll buy, if the price is right.

Anti Federalist
02-03-2016, 05:50 PM
I concur, we need a Vermin Supreme forum.

heavenlyboy34
02-03-2016, 06:31 PM
I concur, we need a Vermin Supreme forum.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again. :( Ah, well. Some hacker kid around here might be able to make it happen for us. :)

cajuncocoa
02-03-2016, 06:34 PM
I'll buy, if the price is right.
If he wants to sell and the price isn't right for you, we'll have a fundraiser or a chip-in or something.

cajuncocoa
02-03-2016, 06:36 PM
Liberty is not about one candidate, and if you truly want to win, you need to take over the party and this is great central place to do it

also acalltopaul.com
*sigh*

Have we figured it out by now??

We need to work on educating people as to why they should want freedom and liberty (even though AF says they don't and never will....and I agree with him. This will be an uphill battle.) Taking over "the party" means nothing if the people don't know why they should vote for us...(or if we have to pretend we're not who we really are.)

And P.S.....I assume by "the party" you mean the GOP. I was done with the GOP 4 years ago. I would have voted for Rand, but now I'm really done with them. Good riddance.

jbauer
02-03-2016, 06:51 PM
This movement needs a large source of money with no strings attached.

Lol. Me to!!!!

jbauer
02-03-2016, 06:54 PM
Why rebrand or rename? We all came here because of Ron. Who cares if he or his son are not running for POTUS.
At some point Rons influence ends. To keep a successful board there will need to be new members. I doubt many people Google Ron Paul. I could be wrong?

jbauer
02-03-2016, 06:56 PM
Can I state the obvious choice?



VERMIN SUPREME forums! :p

Hell yes!!!!! But can honest Gil be VP!!!

tod evans
02-03-2016, 06:59 PM
I'll be here till its gone.. great place for intelligent conversation and up-to-date news


You and I will be turning the lights out on the way out the door.

I'm in..........

sparebulb
02-03-2016, 07:02 PM
You and I will be turning the lights out on the way out the door.

Why don't we wait here and see what happens......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA4Ozqt7338

erowe1
02-03-2016, 07:13 PM
Maybe we can become Liberty Forums.

Libertyforums.com is taken, but there's practically nothing there and what is is a decade out of date. Maybe whoever owns it would sell it cheap to someone who would keep using it for the right cause.

BamaAla
02-03-2016, 07:22 PM
1. Get ready for our next potus candidate. Thomas Massie perhaps.
2. Work to elect good state and locals.
3. Sit back and watch this whole clown show work out.
4. When I first came here, I typed in libertyforest.com; I still use that web address to this day. Just call it what you want, but Ron is/was the central figure of this web site, so I think his name should stay at the top.

RPfan1992
02-03-2016, 07:42 PM
Nice. Glad to see someone else who can't really go full on for the Libertarian Party. A lot of mainstream libertarians are mostly driven by self interest and non-priority issues, such as drugs. They often don't have any enthusiasm for capitalism, and have no problem voting Democrat just to spite Republicans on social issues. They're worried about corruption and see freedom as a moral issue, but are just as sucked into the loss of morality slippery slope as Democrats are. Ironically, some Libertarians could actually be better for social conservatism than Republicans, due to willingness to let states decide things. But it would require the right Libertarian, one that is not morally corrupted, for me to trust.

I would argue that the Constitution Party aligns better for many paleocons than LP, even if some if it is for the wrong reasons. Though I am skeptical of the Constitution Party's willingness to tackle certain key issues like the NSA.

However, I don't have much enthusiasm for strengthening a 3rd party that would destroy the Republican Party. Unless the Democratic Party is also destroyed in the process, it would give too much power to the Democrats, and America would fall to socialism. I can't see the Democratic Party being destroyed anytime soon, since there's no diversity of thought in it. Everyone just "goes with the flow" and they always lump farther left with the same ideology over and over. There was practically zero resistance in that party to the introduction of socialism. The only thing I can see stopping the two party machine is a party that can pull in independents somewhat equally from the left and the right. Perhaps a "Populist" or organized "Independent" party. It would have quite a wide range of political ideologies, and a very diverse cast fighting for the nomination each time. If the party had recorded debates, they could gain national attention, as they'd be Democrat V.S. Republican esque, which would give people craving the general election debates early something to watch.

Those people are called libertines. Real libertarians are very rare.

pcosmar
02-03-2016, 08:01 PM
Maybe we can become Liberty Forums.

Libertyforums.com is taken, but there's practically nothing there and what is is a decade out of date. Maybe whoever owns it would sell it cheap to someone who would keep using it for the right cause.

It is and has been Liberty Forest,, since just after the 2008 run.

Seems fitting it would remain so.

The Gold Standard
02-03-2016, 08:08 PM
It is and has been Liberty Forest,, since just after the 2008 run.

Seems fitting it would remain so.

What I was going to say.

Libertas Aut Mortis
02-03-2016, 08:18 PM
Those people are called libertines. Real libertarians are very rare.

In historical context...similar to the difference between the American Revolutionaries and the French Revolutionaries?

cajuncocoa
02-03-2016, 08:19 PM
I truly believe that you can't have Liberty without Virtue, or Virtue without Liberty...they go hand in hand. The Libertarian Party seems to be resistant to Virtue. The Constitution Party seems to frown upon Liberty. The Democrats are going full Marxist. The Republicans are going full Imperialist.

I was happier when I was ignorant. God...why did I ever look away from that damn TV?My thought about your comment on the LP and their resistance to Virtue. You put 10 people in a room together and you'll get 10 different opinions on what Virtue is, what they accept as virtuous, where they draw the line. Liberty is the most important thing to strive for in this political process because we can all choose for ourselves where we want to draw that line of virtue, but if we don't have liberty, we can't choose anything.

TheTexan
02-03-2016, 08:43 PM
I concur, we need a Vermin Supreme forum.

Well, everyone needs someone to vote for. It's a basic human need, along with food, shelter, and companionship.

http://s22.postimg.org/a6rttspzl/Untitled.png

r3volution 3.0
02-03-2016, 08:55 PM
I'll be here until the internet stops working.

sparebulb
02-03-2016, 09:32 PM
http://s22.postimg.org/a6rttspzl/Untitled.png

Texican,

This needs a reservoir tip.

We need to be safe from the happy endorphin release that comes from supporting your favorite king.

cajuncocoa
02-03-2016, 09:38 PM
Well, everyone needs someone to vote for. It's a basic human need, along with food, shelter, and companionship.

http://s22.postimg.org/a6rttspzl/Untitled.pngUpon hearing this awful news this morning, I realize I may not be able to vote as hard as I thought I would.

Carlybee
02-03-2016, 09:51 PM
*sigh*

Have we figured it out by now??

We need to work on educating people as to why they should want freedom and liberty (even though AF says they don't and never will....and I agree with him. This will be an uphill battle.) Taking over "the party" means nothing if the people don't know why they should vote for us...(or if we have to pretend we're not who we really are.)

And P.S.....I assume by "the party" you mean the GOP. I was done with the GOP 4 years ago. I would have voted for Rand, but now I'm really done with them. Good riddance.

Same here. The GOP is an extension of the MIC which leaves liberty SOL.

TheTexan
02-03-2016, 09:57 PM
Upon hearing this awful news this morning, I realize I may not be able to vote as hard as I thought I would.

I know. I was shocked. Just shocked, I say.

heavenlyboy34
02-03-2016, 09:59 PM
Same here. The GOP is an extension of the MIC which leaves liberty SOL.
+rep Both major parties were bought and paid for generations ago.

TheTexan
02-03-2016, 10:01 PM
+rep Both major parties were bought and paid for generations ago.

Huh. I guess that's where they get the money to give out the free stuff.

Cleaner44
02-03-2016, 10:16 PM
I was thinking we could bronze the RPF.

I also think Hilary is going to have a fit in a week when she feels the Bern.

I also think we need to give Rand, Justin and Thomas some more help.

I also think we need to make sure that Walter Jones wins.

I also think The Sound of Music is a cool movie.

I also think Clutchy Hopkins (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD7jl1koa3U) is a mad genius of the Fender Rhodes.

I think the RPF will probably become a cooking forum... or maybe sex education forum... or a possibly a muscle car forum.

I like eggs...

sparebulb
02-03-2016, 10:21 PM
This is what RPF should have turned into... (http://paranormaldate.com/)

if only George Noory hadn't beat us to it

trey4sports
02-03-2016, 10:27 PM
I love this place. the news, the unique and insightful people (as well as the crazies). I will still use this site as my main political hub. I would advise redirecting to the domain libertyforest rather than ronpaulforums or randpaulforums. I think we probably need to branch out a bit and brand ourselves as the liberty movement rather than the paul movement. We have had incredible leaders in Ron and Rand Paul, however, I think the time has come that in presidential politics we need someone new and fresh. Someone who is braggadocios and entertaining. Someone who can appeal to, and entertain boobus and the average American. The Pauls are a thinking mans candidate and unfortunately there are not a lot of people willing to really think these days.

Cabal
02-03-2016, 10:30 PM
Same here. The GOP is an extension of the MIC which leaves liberty SOL.

The political process and the electoral system are both mechanisms of the State. Unsurprisingly, it thus makes perfect sense that they are so wholly inefficient and inadequate when it comes to affecting any semblance of real, meaningful, sustained change to the benefit of liberty--liberty being the antithesis of the State.

Liberty isn't SOL, it was just never going to be achieved by conforming to the State, but rather in defiance of the State.

Dianne
02-03-2016, 10:32 PM
Look, we have been here since Ron Paul ran in 2007. We will stay here until the government takes down the power grids. There is more to liberty than a Presidential election. In-fact, a Presidential election has nothing to do with liberty.

This forum needs to work on local, state, senatorial candidates and issues. The movement is the grassroots, from bottom to top; not the other way around.

fr33
02-03-2016, 10:48 PM
I wouldn't want the forum to change but I also don't come here much anymore and wish there were more forums like this one(I hate social media) that don't revolve around the Pauls. I don't think it's good for the liberty movement for so many people keep expecting the Pauls to be leaders.

Bryan
02-04-2016, 12:07 AM
To be sure, we're not going anywhere. I very well understand the issues, both pros and cons of sticking with the Ron Paul branding. There isn't a perfect solution but certainly more can be done. I hadn't wanted to rock the boat with Rand's campaign in gear but as that is now sunk the situation has changed.

Some things to be sure on...
- While there is certainly a lot of people who like Facebook, they're welcome to it. It's a horrible anti-privacy and safety disaster and very problematic to organize well. We won't bow out to the likes of them.
- The site will always support the key liberty principles that we have in our carefully crafted Mission Statement. If you're not sure on that, see the "Mission" button.
- The cause of liberty is of extreme importance and a lifelong effort, let's plan for a marathon, not hope for a sprint.
- There are lots of different ideas on how to best promote liberty, some good ones are posted here. We support all of them and hope to see the best ones thrive. We can't say what will or won't work.

I'll be posting more soon, but there is still some retrospective that is needed on Rand's campaign that should be a priority.

sam1952
02-04-2016, 12:14 AM
This is actually a easy question for me.

Ron Paul is the greatest statesmen of modern times...

I would hope things just remain as they are.

Occam's Banana
02-04-2016, 01:15 AM
I still see a long road of shit-spewing over Trump and Cruz, who both have supporters on this website, before we fade into obscurity and I find another website to post terrible opinions on. The door is thataway, bub -----------------> ihatebacon.com (http://www.ihatebacon.com) :p;)

TheNewYorker
02-04-2016, 01:39 AM
I would suggest the forum lose the name RonPaulForums and go with something more generic and liberty oriented, maybe LibertyForest.com?

That way we can attract a lot more liberty leaning people and build up a major coalition across America, and influence elections one by one.

As it is now, the only people finding this site are Ron Paul fans. We need to make it so fans of liberty in general can find and join.

H. E. Panqui
02-04-2016, 01:44 AM
danno writes: "Liberty" means different things to different people. There are progressives who actually believe that our brand of liberty, real liberty, is fascism because we don't want to let them have their welfare state and opportunity to get single payer health insurance. They want the "liberty" to enforce their mandates on everybody else through the democratic process.

:rolleyes:

..no, it's 'fascism' because your favorite (regressive?) politicians want to increase an already HIDEOUSLY BLOATED murderous military indu$trial budget...it's fascism (and outright stooooooooopidity) because ?your favorite politicians are frequently and mindlessly yammering about the '19 trillion dollar debt' without EVER mentioning the fraudulent nature of that LARGE portion of the debt due to banksters who acquired government bonds FOR NOTHING...

...this and MUCH more reveals ?your 'regressive' brand of 'liberty' as just more republican/crat horse pucky... ;)

...thoroughly incomplete, myopic...

...btw, i've heard credible estimates that a bernie sanders presidency with a liberal democrat congress would result in a government that would spend 23% of GDP...whereas a rand paul presidency with an ultra-conservative congress would spend around 18% of GDP...one wonders how anyone not a goddamned fool could get all worked up about 'the big differences' :rolleyes: between any of these bloviating republicrat posers... :confused:

Mani
02-04-2016, 01:53 AM
Ron Paul was a unique man in politics. He's been an outstanding lone shining beacon of liberty during my lifetime which I didn't expect to ever find in a dark cesspool of power, greed, and corruption.


It was that light, that beacon of liberty that drew us all to this forum, to find out more about this man, that brought us together. And I for one hope the name never changes. Even after his time in Washington being done, I want his beacon of liberty to still continue to shine and this forum is one of those places it still does. And long after Ron Paul left you get to see the fruit of his efforts between this website, Senator Rand Paul, and countless other liberty minded individuals who took up positions in their local government.

This forum is an honor to him, his legacy, more importantly his message of freedom, and to the individuals he inspired who continue to take up the fight for liberty.

seapilot
02-04-2016, 11:19 AM
I would suggest the forum lose the name RonPaulForums and go with something more generic and liberty oriented, maybe LibertyForest.com?

That way we can attract a lot more liberty leaning people and build up a major coalition across America, and influence elections one by one.

As it is now, the only people finding this site are Ron Paul fans. We need to make it so fans of liberty in general can find and join.

Could have both, linked together. That way if someone wants to know more about liberty they come here.

By the way this is the freest thinking forum on the net. One of the few places to go for sanity and logic in the current bizzaro world that is out there.

ChristianAnarchist
02-04-2016, 11:45 AM
I will always call RonPaulForums my home...