Rand's Democrat challenger already attacking on foreign policy

[jct74]

"[Rand] offers ideas that will weaken our country at home and abroad"... looks like another Jack Conway type fake progressive candidate going to run to the right of Rand on a lot of issues. I wonder if he's against medical marijuana like Jack too.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXQwSDhhsqc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXQwSDhhsqc

[rich34]

Wow, looks like there is more than one agenda going on here. Using a democrat to try and soften up Rand's support among caucus goers in Kentucky perhaps? I know foreign policy is important, but it just doesn't seem like the issue you'd open up with. That is of course unless you're wanting to help the republican party to deny Rand from chalking up one in the win column. This is actually a big deal where the rnc changed the rules last time to where a candidate must win 8 states in the event of a brokered convention. Wow maybe the RNC has some internal polling that shows Rand doing better than expected to be using a democrat to do their dirty work?

[DJH73]

That guy is a snake. Trying to pry Rands support away by suggesting we spend more on military, while talking about saving millions in the same paragraph .Anyone who is listening will see he just contradicted himself within a minute. Am I in the twilight zone or something?

[Kotin]

This gut is dead-on-arrival

No fucking chance he can do anything against the best senator Kentucky has probably ever had

[ds21089]

He's probably running for the sole purpose of them to bring this up against him. "So Rand, you are left of a Democrat running against you on foreign policy. Do you really think Republicans will vote for you?"

[PCKY]

He's probably running for the sole purpose of them to bring this up against him. "So Rand, you are left of a Democrat running against you on foreign policy. Do you really think Republicans will vote for you?"
It's a really dumb play as KY has two major Army posts full of combat veterans that know what Rand says is true. They are way more fond of Rand then they are of McConnell. McConnell is from the nation building school. I didn't realize that he had actually filed. The deadline is Friday. If he did then he has no primary and Rand has no primary so it's him against Rand in November.
Meanwhile Rand is fighting for us in the Senate with a 94-95% attendance record and that douche is going to gave a lot of explaining to do about getting in line with the God Awful Democratic platform that has already squelched religious liberty to kow tow to the gay rights activists and killed off all of the jobs in 1/3rd of the state.
His loss will be epic...worse than Conway...worse than Grimes.

[ds21089]

It's a really dumb play as KY has two major Army posts full of combat veterans that know what Rand says is true. They are way more fond of Rand then they are of McConnell. McConnell is from the nation building school. I didn't realize that he had actually filed. The deadline is Friday. If he did then he has no primary and Rand has no primary so it's him against Rand in November.
Meanwhile Rand is fighting for us in the Senate with a 94-95% attendance record and that douche is going to gave a lot of explaining to do about getting in line with the God Awful Democratic platform that has already squelched religious liberty to kow tow to the gay rights activists and killed off all of the jobs in 1/3rd of the state.
His loss will be epic...worse than Conway...worse than Grimes.

The goal isn't to persuade the views of the people in Kentucky. We already know Rand would win that battle easily. It's to use against him in the presidential election. They want to make him look weak by saying a Democrat is "stronger" on "defense" (militarism) than he is.

[William Tell]

Look, boys and girls. It's Lindsey Graham reincarnated as a Democrat!

[AngryCanadian]

How much has Trump paid the Democrat to run agaisnt Rand?

[ds21089]

Look, boys and girls. It's Lindsey Graham reincarnated as a Democrat!

Cuz there isn't already one running for president :mad:

[Operation Earnest Voice]

Look, boys and girls. It's Lindsey Graham reincarnated as a Democrat!
At least this one is openly gay.

[mit26chell]

Fuck this stupid mofo. Rand can just turn this around and say this douche is attacking the foreign policy of the founders.

[hells_unicorn]

The Neo-cons are beginning to flock back to the Democrat Party again, which is where they belong. I'm not too worried about this guy, this is probably one of the weakest attempts at an attack I've ever seen.

[statist slayer]

Didn't bother watching the video, but this is good because it crowds out a last minute Republican neocon primary challenger in the mold of Donald Trump.

[hells_unicorn]

Yeah, I just did a look-up on Gray's background and found out that he's an admitted sodomite. What is it with **** politicians and warmongering? Is it an ancient pagan Greek macho thing where they are overcompensating for the inability to create life beyond their own?

[jct74]

What is it with **** politicians and warmongering?

Like who? Besides Lindsey Graham.



Is it an ancient pagan Greek macho thing where they are overcompensating for the inability to create life beyond their own?

I doubt it.

[derek4ever]

Challenger shmallenger!! :p

[hells_unicorn]

Like who? Besides Lindsey Graham.

Like Barney Frank (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-clemons/barney-franks-prowar-oped_b_28344.html), for one, though I also took note that Jared Polis and Tammy Baldwin only appeared to be anti-war when it was a Republican in office given their support of Obama's illegal actions in Libya. Jim Kolbe is another one that comes to mind.

Outside the realm of politics, I've noted that many journalists with ***** tendencies such as our old friend James Kirchick are also mighty fond of putting the U.S. military's boot in the ass of persons of inconvenient national affiliation.

[jct74]

Like Barney Frank (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-clemons/barney-franks-prowar-oped_b_28344.html), for one, though I also took note that Jared Polis and Tammy Baldwin only appeared to be anti-war when it was a Republican in office given their support of Obama's illegal actions in Libya.

So he wrote an op-ed saying that not enough attention is being given to Afghanistan, and criticizing the war in Iraq which he has opposed from the beginning. I guess that makes him a warmongerer in your mind, but he's probably still more antiwar than most Democrats in congress. Certainly not at the far end of the spectrum of pro-war Democrats.


Jim Kolbe is another one that comes to mind.

Never heard of him, he served in the House of Representatives for 11 terms apparently. Is he any more of a warmongerer than a typical Republican in congress?


Outside the realm of politics, I've noted that many journalists with ***** tendencies such as our old friend James Kirchick are also mighty fond of putting the U.S. military's boot in the ass of persons of inconvenient national affiliation.

Glenn Greenwald is gay. So is Justin Raimondo, who runs antiwar.com. Those are two of the most antiwar journalists I can think of actually.

I think you are just imagining things because of a strong anti-gay bias.

[Badger Paul]

"Rand] offers ideas that will weaken our country at home and abroad"

Fool's Gold.

[Jonderdonk]

This is just like Wendy Davis running as an open carry advocate... It won't work.

[PCKY]

Isn't that counter intuitive for the current Sanders surge/socialist agenda? It didn't work so well for Jim Webb. I think he is trying to downplay his lifestyle.

[hells_unicorn]

So he wrote an op-ed saying that not enough attention is being given to Afghanistan, and criticizing the war in Iraq which he has opposed from the beginning. I guess that makes him a warmongerer in your mind, but he's probably still more antiwar than most Democrats in congress. Certainly not at the far end of the spectrum of pro-war Democrats.

It makes him a warmonger as a matter of definition, openly advocating for a continued quagmire in Afghanistan but not in Iraq is a matter of taste, not of objective definitions, some pro-war types prefer mass-killings of people that are ethnically closer to being Indian as opposed to Arabic or Persian, it doesn't change the reality. You could maybe argue by this definition that Ron Paul could also be labeled a warmonger, but his votes on Afghanistan were retaliatory to an initiation of violence by another party, and not an endorsement of nation-building and imperialism in the manner as Barney Frank's Op-Ed.

You don't have to be at the extreme fringe of pro-war ideology to be a warmonger, you simply have to push a pro-war policy, which is what Barney Frank did. Mind you, Barney Frank was also a big supporter of the Bosnian and Kosovo wars, which puts him pretty squarely in the warmonger camp on the democratic side of the equation as far as I'm concerned.


Never heard of him, he served in the House of Representatives for 11 terms apparently. Is he any more of a warmongerer than a typical Republican in congress?

Oh sure you have, everybody was up in arms about him being out and then giving a speech at the GOP convention in 2000. He was about as much of a warmonger as John McCain, which would make sense given he hailed from the same area.


Glenn Greenwald is gay. So is Justin Raimondo, who runs antiwar.com. Those are two of the most antiwar journalists I can think of actually.

Glenn Greenwald is probably the only exception that I can name off the top of my head. I wouldn't count Raimondo as being a principled antiwar journalist given his recent "episode" with Donald Trump, he may not qualify as a warmonger, but he's more of a loose cannon than anything else. That's one of my other criticisms about so-called "homosexual" members of the liberty movement, there's been a strong tendency for them to spontaneously go ape-shit over something stupid and sabotage electoral efforts.


I think you are just imagining things because of a strong anti-gay bias.

Oh, I am most definitely anti-sodomite, but it's more of a culmination of experience than a presupposition that informs how I view things. It's generally a matter of basic logic that a person who can't figure out why continually trying to pound a square peg into a round hole is futile will probably have deficits in other departments, and people who declare war against their own nature will be, at best, unreliable on matters of principle.

Sure, there will be occasional exceptions with persons attempting to be outwardly civil and moral in an interpersonal sense, but I feel quite safe in taking the position that I do on this matter.

[jct74]

It makes him a warmonger as a matter of definition, openly advocating for a continued quagmire in Afghanistan but not in Iraq is a matter of taste, not of objective definitions, some pro-war types prefer mass-killings of people that are ethnically closer to being Indian as opposed to Arabic or Persian, it doesn't change the reality. You could maybe argue by this definition that Ron Paul could also be labeled a warmonger, but his votes on Afghanistan were retaliatory to an initiation of violence by another party, and not an endorsement of nation-building and imperialism in the manner as Barney Frank's Op-Ed.

You don't have to be at the extreme fringe of pro-war ideology to be a warmonger, you simply have to push a pro-war policy, which is what Barney Frank did. Mind you, Barney Frank was also a big supporter of the Bosnian and Kosovo wars, which puts him pretty squarely in the warmonger camp on the democratic side of the equation as far as I'm concerned.



Oh sure you have, everybody was up in arms about him being out and then giving a speech at the GOP convention in 2000. He was about as much of a warmonger as John McCain, which would make sense given he hailed from the same area.



Glenn Greenwald is probably the only exception that I can name off the top of my head. I wouldn't count Raimondo as being a principled antiwar journalist given his recent "episode" with Donald Trump, he may not qualify as a warmonger, but he's more of a loose cannon than anything else. That's one of my other criticisms about so-called "homosexual" members of the liberty movement, there's been a strong tendency for them to spontaneously go ape-shit over something stupid and sabotage electoral efforts.



Oh, I am most definitely anti-sodomite, but it's more of a culmination of experience than a presupposition that informs how I view things. It's generally a matter of basic logic that a person who can't figure out why continually trying to pound a square peg into a round hole will probably have deficits in other departments, and people who declare war against their own nature will be, at best, unreliable on matters of principle.

Sure, there will be occasional exceptions with persons attempting to be outwardly civil and moral in an interpersonal sense, but I feel quite safe in taking the position that I do on this matter.

Barney Frank is not an exceptionally pro-war Democrat though, he opposed the Iraq war. Justin Raimondo is an exceptionally antiwar journalist on the other hand, he runs a website called antiwar.com. It doesn't matter though, you have your delusions about homosexuality and homosexual people, you see in them what you want to see.. whatever fits your strongly held religious beliefs. It's not really worth arguing any further.

[hells_unicorn]

Barney Frank is not an exceptionally pro-war Democrat though, he opposed the Iraq war. Justin Raimondo is an exceptionally antiwar journalist on the other hand, he runs a website called antiwar.com. It doesn't matter though, you have your delusions about homosexuality and homosexual people, you see in them what you want to see.. whatever fits your strongly held religious beliefs. It's not really worth arguing any further.

Indeed it isn't, I can deduce that you are either an atheist or something else along similar lines, which makes further discussions on this impossible given that I didn't bring up religion but you are apparently intent on doing so. Nevertheless, I'm not wrong about Barney Frank or any of the other people I've mentioned, which was the crux of the discussion. Whatever fits your desire to avoid the implications of the subject in question, I suppose.

[Brian4Liberty]

Yeah, I just did a look-up on Gray's background and found out that he's an admitted sodomite. What is it with **** politicians and warmongering? Is it an ancient pagan Greek macho thing where they are overcompensating for the inability to create life beyond their own?

The use of the term "sodomite" generally infers a religious or biblical basis.

And you left out Marco Rubio. ;)


This would definitely explain why he and Lindsey Graham got along so well in the senate. Yuck! I wanna hurl just saying that.

But seriously, it is more useful to look at people as individuals, and every individual will have different motivations. Some gay people are pro-war, some are anti-war, and being gay may or may not have anything to do with it. As a gross-generalization indicator, it doesn't seem like it is a good predictor either way.

[Tywysog Cymru]

If I was in charge of the KDP and my job was to find the best man to run for Senate, I'd find a rural moderate state politician who grew up as either a farmer or coal miner.

What I would not do is run the openly gay mayor of the biggest Democratic stronghold city in KY besides Louisville. It's basic strategy.

[hells_unicorn]

The use of the term "sodomite" generally infers a religious or biblical basis.

And you left out Marco Rubio. ;)

Touche, Rubio and a few others in both parties actually did escape my mention. As to the whole "sodomite" term, I know it has biblical connotations, but this website and most others I frequent tend to have standing policies against some of the other terms used to denote a person of said tendency, and I don't buy the theory of psychology behind the concept of "homosexuality" so I tend not to employ the term regularly.


But seriously, it is more useful to look at people as individuals, and every individual will have different motivations. Some gay people are pro-war, some are anti-war, and being gay may or may not have anything to do with it. As a gross-generalization indicator, it doesn't seem like it is a good predictor either way.

Perhaps, but it's also instructive to look at group tendencies, particularly when persons self-identify as being part of a group. I had a different attitude about ***** individuals when I first registered on this forum, and part of my current attitude tends to reflect several encounters with said persons in the liberty movement who ended up becoming saboteurs or were so overtly hostile that it bordered on obnoxious, even when compared with your typical foaming-at-the-mouth Neo-con. It's even more of an issue with Rand, but I took note of it both in 2008 and 2012.

But to be fair, I do have a theological position on the matter, which I'll save for the appropriate forum.

[hells_unicorn]

Double post.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Rubio's not gay, I don't think he is at least:confused:?

[Brian4Liberty]

Rubio's not gay, I don't think he is at least:confused:?

LOL. It's a reference to another thread (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?489017-Chat-that-destroyed-Rubio). I don't believe Rubio is gay, but apparently there is a fringe rumor based on guilt by association that revolves around Rubio being cited by Police at a park when he was 18. There is no evidence that Rubio was doing anything other than being in a park after dark (and drinking beer, according to Rubio).

[hells_unicorn]

Rubio's not gay, I don't think he is at least:confused:?

It's more of a rumor than something actually confirmed, but if Rubio ever admitted to it, I wouldn't be surprised.