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rp08rp
12-07-2007, 06:16 AM
WE KNOW HOW HARD IT IS to get mass movement, moves up in the polls, it doesnt just happen overnight. But the media KEPT hmmering his name before I even noted ANY MOVE in the polls whatsover.
Theres something fishy here and it reminds me of when Kerry rose from nowhere.


Poll: Huckabee in 2nd place GOP race

By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 54 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Mike Huckabee has vaulted from nowhere into second place in the Republican presidential race, riding a burst of support from evangelicals, Southerners and conservatives, a poll showed Friday.
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The upsurge by the former Arkansas governor has come largely at the expense of Fred Thompson, according to the national survey by The Associated Press and Ipsos. Thompson has dropped after failing to galvanize the party's right-wing core as much as some had expected.

derdy
12-07-2007, 06:17 AM
The media is controlled by coporations that profit from warfare.

Naturally, they will promote those that help them make money and bury those that don't.

As ugly as it is, it's very simple at the same time. :(

WilliamC
12-07-2007, 06:18 AM
Greetings All,

It's just name recognition...and the fact that his name is actually being included in the phone polls.

William C Colley

derdy
12-07-2007, 06:19 AM
Greetings All,

It's just name recognition...and the fact that his name is actually being included in the phone polls.

William C Colley

Yes, but where does name recognition come from? From the media which is corporately controlled.

Geronimo
12-07-2007, 06:19 AM
Fred wasn't working out as a buffer, so they decided to promote the hell out of Huck instead.

Real_CaGeD
12-07-2007, 06:24 AM
He made the move with zero funds.

Johnnybags
12-07-2007, 06:29 AM
Fred wasn't working out as a buffer, so they decided to promote the hell out of Huck instead.

I hope that its anyone, but Paul. It was first Mitt or Rudy or McCain they did not sell, then the mystique of FRED flopped, Paul got hot and now they need the last bastion of neoconism to take a ride to the top. Huckster is getting a promotion, thats all. All you really need is to open your eyes, does Huck have the support of the footsoldiers? Money? millions in grassroots money for free? NO! What he has is 400 registered neocons in each state that they poll. They are all in for a big surprise. Remember, Huck does not sell from the Rockies, to the west coast. I actually hope he drains 5-6 points from Romney in NH.

Midnight77
12-07-2007, 06:30 AM
Huckabee received an almost overnight boost in the polls. He went from like 8 or 9% to like 18%. Excuse me if I am somewhat skeptical of the legitimacy of these polls.

RonPaulCult
12-07-2007, 06:32 AM
Ever hear the song "Sell Out" by Reel Big Fish?

The line in the song goes "the radio plays what they want you to hear"

The media are the ones that make somebody jump in the polls. Until this campaign I had no hope for our country or an honest politician like Ron Paul ever getting elected.

But our hard word and money raising IS making Ron Paul a front runner. And with the tea party and the blimp and the letters we are writing etc. we CAN BEAT THE SYSTEM!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9wHpnFfpqc

Falseflagop
12-07-2007, 06:32 AM
POLLS are not rue because RP has ben excluded in them!

Hope
12-07-2007, 06:34 AM
Yeah, 48% of Republicans do not know who Ron Paul is. :( We've got to work on that.

Does anyone know how much money Huckabee has raised now?

tsetsefly
12-07-2007, 06:40 AM
Ever hear the song "Sell Out" by Reel Big Fish?

The line in the song goes "the radio plays what they want you to hear"

The media are the ones that make somebody jump in the polls. Until this campaign I had no hope for our country or an honest politician like Ron Paul ever getting elected.

But our hard word and money raising IS making Ron Paul a front runner. And with the tea party and the blimp and the letters we are writing etc. we CAN BEAT THE SYSTEM!

hahaha, i was just listening to that song, huckabee's numbers should go down when his record is exposed...

EvilEngineer
12-07-2007, 06:40 AM
Huckabee received an almost overnight boost in the polls. He went from like 8 or 9% to like 18%. Excuse me if I am somewhat skeptical of the legitimacy of these polls.

Yup, the sad thing is they don't realize that we KNOW wtf is going on. There is nothing they can do to fool us this time... and they are scared shitless.

ronpaulyourmom
12-07-2007, 06:47 AM
I'm not on board with this conspiracy stuff, the support for the other candidates was very soft, previous polls showed this. Huck's rise is not that big of a surprise.

Hope
12-07-2007, 06:52 AM
I'm not on board with this conspiracy stuff, the support for the other candidates was very soft, previous polls showed this. Huck's rise is not that big of a surprise.

I agree, especially considering how much free advertising he's been getting in the MSM.

rp08rp
12-07-2007, 07:11 AM
Ever hear the song "Sell Out" by Reel Big Fish?

The line in the song goes "the radio plays what they want you to hear"

The media are the ones that make somebody jump in the polls. Until this campaign I had no hope for our country or an honest politician like Ron Paul ever getting elected.

But our hard word and money raising IS making Ron Paul a front runner. And with the tea party and the blimp and the letters we are writing etc. we CAN BEAT THE SYSTEM!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9wHpnFfpqc

yes

sharedvoice
12-07-2007, 07:15 AM
Don't forget. The Huckster is getting ALOT of bad press lately on so many different levels. I suspect voters are beginning to realize about Huckabee's terrible record, which will severely cripple his campaign going into Iowa because of the timing, if not destroy his campaign all together. The GOP already understand this man is a HUGE liability to the party and that he does not stand a chance during General Election.

Remember there is a debate coming up in Iowa on Dec. 12th!

Des Moines Register's Republican Presidential Candidate Debate
PBS, C-SPAN, CNN, FoxNews
1:00 PM (check local TV listings)

Should be interesting to see what happens... I expect the debate moderators will fairly generous with time allocation in light of recent developments. With that being said, Huckabee is going to get cannibalized badly. I hope Ron Paul gets aggressive and calls Huckster on his lack of knowledge concerning the NIE Report. :D

noztnac
12-07-2007, 07:17 AM
A lot of people are just starting to realize Romney and Giuliani are liberals.

derdy
12-07-2007, 07:19 AM
I'm not on board with this conspiracy stuff, the support for the other candidates was very soft, previous polls showed this. Huck's rise is not that big of a surprise.

So, you think GE, being a big defense contractor for the US government and owning NBC, will give you fair and accurate news even if it means that they not have anymore defense contracts?

I have a blimp to sell you.

noztnac
12-07-2007, 07:23 AM
You think things suck and then suddenly you're doing great.

1. Huckabee was languishing in the polls and suddenly he's out front!

2. A rapist was in jail with nobody to rape and suddenly a politician releases him and he is free to rape and kill again!

Wow! Everyone involved with the Huckster sees a dramatic improvement in their lives. Lets elect him.

rpfreedom08
12-07-2007, 07:35 AM
lol, huckabee was what 1 or 2% in all the after debate polls, now he is leading? Common, like the transformers there's more than meets the eye when it comes to his sudden bump in the polls. I'm sure it has to do with the media hyping him up like having a one on one with good morning america on thanksgiving morning. Just like that song, the media only lets you listen to what they want you to hear.

synthetic
12-07-2007, 07:50 AM
Huckabee is the new Fred Thompson and it started right after Ron raised that $4.3 million.

disciple
12-07-2007, 07:52 AM
>>>Theres something fishy here and it reminds me of when Kerry rose from nowhere.>>>


I 've wondered about that too.

me3
12-07-2007, 07:52 AM
Huckabee's rise has not hurt Dr. Paul's #s. Everyone else is fluctuating, we are slowly and steadily gaining ground.

derdy
12-07-2007, 07:54 AM
>>>Theres something fishy here and it reminds me of when Kerry rose from nowhere.>>>


I 've wondered about that too.

Rising poll numbers, corporate media, gee whatever could it be?! :rolleyes:

jesshwarren
12-07-2007, 07:57 AM
Got to watch Huckster. I don't like him his record is bad he is pro war and is a pro tax candidate. Big govornment ect....

This may help it's better than having one guy at 50%

derdy
12-07-2007, 08:02 AM
Got to watch Huckster. I don't like him his record is bad he is pro war and is a pro tax candidate. Big govornment ect....

This may help it's better than having one guy at 50%

He is our designated competition. Remember, the powers that be WANT a Hillary or Obama Presidency. Unless we can show enough effort and enthusiasm, they will have their way.

This comment isn't directed at the person I quoted, but it amazes me how people are so naive on how everything works. America is NOT a Constitutional Republic or a Democracy. It's a fascist-oligarchy w/ socialist elements and our '(s)elections' are the only thing that gives us comfort that we have a say on how our country is run.

Pete Kay
12-07-2007, 08:09 AM
Ron Paul is in the exact same place in the polls, actually a little higher, as Mike Huckabee was when the media started calling him "top tier". It's friggin ridiculous. What measuring stick are they using to define top tier? When Huck had only raised 1 million dollars he was still being called top tier, yet Ron has raised 10 times more than Huck and is in high single digits(the same place Huck was a few months ago) and the MSM refuse to call him top tier. They keep repeating that he is a long shot and quixotic and I've even seen him called an also ran! Also ran?! He's still runnning!

speciallyblend
12-07-2007, 08:11 AM
the media will be eating alot of crow soon;)

derdy
12-07-2007, 08:13 AM
the media will be eating alot of crow soon;)

i don't whether I should feel bad for them or laugh at them!

Now that I think of it, laughing is more appropriate! When you sign onto a contract, you know what you are getting into!

RonPaulCult
12-07-2007, 08:41 AM
It should be said that the Chuck Noris ad seems to be the thing that started fueling his rise...

and that just makes me feel sad for America

philistineau
12-07-2007, 10:36 AM
It's not so bad.

Just remember that we are fighting against sheeple.

Luckily, most Ron Paul supporters have the zeal to make a difference. :)

integrity
12-07-2007, 10:54 AM
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=6632255652046262625&hl=en

MedicSean37
12-07-2007, 10:55 AM
A lot of people are just starting to realize Romney and Giuliani are liberals.

Yes this is very true on all the GOP candidates actually. I've been collecting signatures to be come a delegate recently. I hear it all the time. And this is in TN. The only problem is only half of them know who Ron Paul is. Second problem is, the people who generally like Ron Paul, are unsure because they don't think he can beat Hillary, and that's most important to the typical republican.

Pete Kay
12-07-2007, 10:55 AM
It should be said that the Chuck Noris ad seems to be the thing that started fueling his rise...

and that just makes me feel sad for America

Damn you Chuck Norris! If I didn't fear his feet of fury, I might tell him that to his face.

Santana28
12-07-2007, 11:00 AM
I call this the "Obama" phenomina - a politician appears overnight to a position of prominence and respect, and oh yeah... the media loves'em.... the college kids love'em... everyone loves'em.... why don't you?

Gag me. I don't even worry about Huck, because he will betray his base eventually by taking Guiliani's Veep nomination. He doesn't have the actual boots on the ground national support, so he might win Iowa...but thats it. I wouldn't even sweat Huck.

malibu
12-07-2007, 11:13 AM
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/777480b0f7.jpg

The GOP base has really lost it's way if the Arkansas fiscal liberal is leading in the polls of prior registered GOP voters.

Just remind them that the other Ron - Reagan - ran on the GOP platform of a limited federal government.

Paulitician
12-07-2007, 11:26 AM
A lot of great points guys. I wouldn't call what Huckabee has achieved impossible (actually, Huckabee didn't do much, it was the media mostly).

More importantly, we need to boost our name recognition. It's not true that half of Republicans know who Ron Paul is, as another memember pointed out. It's actually much lower than that. 51% of all voters, Republican, Democrat, 3rd party etc. know about Ron Paul. Only 14% of Republicans know that Ron Paul is the only anti-Iraq War candidate in their party according to Pew's data. The message is not getting out. I blame mostly the media, but also the official campaign since they have not taken up the offer people like Glenn Beck and Chris Mathews have given them. Also, why the heck hasn't he been on Tim Russert's "Meet The Press"? What's going on? I thought someone posted here that Ron Paul's going to have a little media surge, which would include 60 Minutes and such.

James R
12-07-2007, 11:28 AM
Huckabee received an almost overnight boost in the polls. He went from like 8 or 9% to like 18%. Excuse me if I am somewhat skeptical of the legitimacy of these polls.

This is very true. It does cast them into doubt.

Maltheus
12-07-2007, 01:07 PM
Second problem is, the people who generally like Ron Paul, are unsure because they don't think he can beat Hillary, and that's most important to the typical republican.

That doesn't make any sense to me. Conventional wisdom says that the democrats are going to take this one. But I've talked to several liberals who said they'd vote for Paul, if he got the nomination, because they don't trust the democrats to end the war anymore. He would siphon votes away from the democrats on that and the patriot act alone. I think Paul's chances of getting the nomination are slim, but if he did, I think he'd easily win against any democratic contender. He's clearly the best choice to beat Hillary, IMO.

sgrooms
12-07-2007, 01:16 PM
who's mike huckabee? :p

deedles
12-07-2007, 01:41 PM
can somebody please gather this data and graph it:

ranking in polls/# of tv interviews prior to and after Sept 28th? That was the day he gave the speech on foreign policy that ended up on the CFR's website as an 'essential' document. Not sure when was posted on CFR site, though.

I don't know how to do searches like this. I think the results might be interesting...

akovacs
12-07-2007, 01:44 PM
I think this is actually good. Thompson is going to constantly nail Huckabee with his past. Same thing happened with Dean and Gephardt in NH primaries in 2004. Kerry was not attacked by anyone and surged forward.

hawkeyenick
12-07-2007, 01:46 PM
I think this is actually good. Thompson is going to constantly nail Huckabee with his past. Same thing happened with Dean and Gephardt in NH primaries in 2004. Kerry was not attacked by anyone and surged forward.

It's creating the "perfect storm" for us...I'm loving it

Minlawc
12-07-2007, 02:35 PM
That doesn't make any sense to me. Conventional wisdom says that the democrats are going to take this one. But I've talked to several liberals who said they'd vote for Paul, if he got the nomination, because they don't trust the democrats to end the war anymore. He would siphon votes away from the democrats on that and the patriot act alone. I think Paul's chances of getting the nomination are slim, but if he did, I think he'd easily win against any democratic contender. He's clearly the best choice to beat Hillary, IMO.

This is one reason we MUST win New Hampshire. If he wins New Hampshire it gives out a clear message that, "if Ron Paul can win NH he can win the primary, if he can win the primary he can win the general election."

If I'm not mistaken, there is also a debate after the NH primary. Perfect.:D