Police Say Gun Owners Greater Threat To Themselves Than Help To Law

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http://www.centralfloridafuture.com/story/news/2016/01/13/column-ucf-police-chief-speaks-campus-gun-safety/78753988/


Column: UCF Police Chief speaks on campus gun safety Chief Richard Beary, UCF Police Department 4:33 p.m. EST January 13, 2016
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For the past eight years, I have pinned on my badge, put on my holster and reported for duty as chief of the UCF Police Department.
It is my job to keep UCF secure and to protect and serve UCF’s students, faculty and staff members and visitors. It is a job I love.
However, conversations in Tallahassee about allowing the open carry of weapons on college and university campuses cause me great distress. Campus-carry would dramatically change the job of a UCF Police officer, making it more challenging for us to keep UCF safe.
My opinion is not based on politics, but rather life experience.
I have spent nearly 40 years in law enforcement and have been a firearms instructor for 29 years. I became police chief at UCF in 2007.
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University campuses are unique places. Every day, we host classes for our students, large events for our campus community and visitors, and even infants and toddlers who attend our Creative School for Children.
There are regular student-adviser meetings and roommate disagreements. Students and faculty members routinely work alongside one another in labs, and classmates study together in the library.
In a split-second, these everyday occurrences could go from friendly to dangerous. Adding guns to the mix could be deadly.
I want to debunk the myth that a good guy with a gun always can and will save the day.
A concealed weapons permit does not make you a hero. A concealed weapons permit does not teach you how to deal with an active shooter. A concealed weapons permit does not make you a trained law enforcement officer.
The truth is that an untrained person with a legally owned gun is more of a threat to themselves and others than they are a helper of law enforcement.
Sitting through a one-hour class at a gun show, for example, is enough to earn a person in Florida a permit to carry a concealed weapon. They never even have to fire their weapon or prove they know how to handle a gun.
Contrast that with the thousands of hours of training that UCF Police officers receive.
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In 2015, UCFPD officers dedicated more than 5,000 hours to training, updating and developing skills on subjects such as active shooters, firearms and crisis de-escalation.
I join State University System leaders, Florida’s campus police chiefs, student government representatives from Florida’s universities and the United Faculty of Florida in saying that campus-carry would be a grave mistake.
It would come at a multimillion-dollar cost to campus law enforcement, who would require additional staffing, training and equipment to keep up with additional demands and false alarms.
Most importantly, it would put the people we promise to protect in harm’s way.
I applaud those who have the desire to protect themselves and the people around them.
However, I fall back on decades of training and law enforcement experience when I say that open carry of weapons would not make them or their peers any safer. On the contrary, it would create hostility and chaos.
You want to be a hero?
Do the right thing. Take care of yourself. Look out for others. Call for help if you or someone you know is in distress.
Those are the keys to keeping UCF a safe place to live and learn, not by putting guns in the hands of undertrained people in high-stress settings.

[fisharmor]

:confused:
But law enforcement only exists to threaten people, so if the gun owners are a threat to themselves, then they are by definition a help to law enforcement.

[Ronin Truth]

Some are. Helping law is NOT the point.

[oyarde]

Some are. Helping law is NOT the point.

Correct .I am not here to help the law .I am here to protect my family , property and myself .

[Kotin]

Correct .I am not here to help the law .I am here to protect my family , property and myself .

This.
Fuck law enforcement. I have a right to defend myself anywhere I go and I'm not asking permission from you tyrant fucks

[Origanalist]

Ya, I don't want to rely on this guy for anyone's safety, especially my own.

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[nobody's_hero]

I think its sad that colleges have their own police forces.

Wish this guy would be honest and remind people that when there are active shooter situations, the policy of the police is to establish a perimeter outside while some nut inside the building runs from classroom to classroom shooting people, while police talk to local media warning other folks to stay away. That's their measure of safety.

If UCF police is anything like the department my college started up in my last 2 years of attendance, the primary goal is to put boots on car tires for students who can't find parking spaces (because there weren't enough, it was a scam, entrapment even) in time to make it to class. Of course, they needed the revenue to pay for fucking brand spanking new Dodge chargers. I guess they were anticipating high-speed chases around the campus parking lot. To this day I will not give a dime as an alumni. I will happily remind my former college that they wasted my tuition when I was there, and they'll never see another cent from me again.

[Old No. 7]

I've found that most all cops in Tennessee support the 2nd amendment and love that people carry. Most of the carry permit instructors here are active or former law enforcement.

[Danke]

Ya, I don't want to rely on this guy for anyone's safety, especially my own.

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Ya, he is missing the four stripes on his epaulets.

[pcosmar]

I am surrounded by gun owners. and I am a prohibited person.

The only armed individuals that are a threat to me are the same ones that keep me prohibited.

[seapilot]

That guy wont do anything to get his uniform dirty. Law abiding C.C people do not threaten real law enforcement, only those that fear liberty and dirt bag criminals.

Quote from Captain Campus Carry Scary:I want to debunk the myth that a good guy with a gun always can and will save the day.

And here is a recent myth made real! Debunk that!


Armed T-Mobile Employee Defends Entire Store Against Armed Robbers In Chicago


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[VIDEODROME]

I have mixed feelings on this. I can imagine there really are many people who possess weapons but do not pursue serious training and will probably not be able to do much about an active shooter.

So, we can look at what even this guy is saying and say yeah, let's be trained and ready. Not just buy a little snubnose handgun that sits in the glove box untouched, but put in the range time to be proficient with firearms.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

that old and tired talking point as if people with a gun are blithering idiots who don't know their asses from their elbows and are more likely to accidentally shoot themselves and the 10 nearest civilians than be of any aid to an active shooter scenario lol when in reality there's lots of people out there that take their guns seriously and are 10x better shots than the police

[bunklocoempire]

It is my job to keep UCF secure and to protect and serve UCF’s students, faculty and staff members and visitors. It is a job I love.

So YOU are responsible for their safety? Let's look at the job contract, I bet you a zillion dollars that you are NOT responsible for their safety... so now what "hero"? If you are not directly responsible for their safety, who is?

*spit*:mad:

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I have mixed feelings on this. I can imagine there really are many people who possess weapons but do not pursue serious training and will probably not be able to do much about an active shooter.

So, we can look at what even this guy is saying and say yeah, let's be trained and ready. Not just buy a little snubnose handgun that sits in the glove box untouched, but put in the range time to be proficient with firearms.

I'd take my chances armed and untrained over unarmed and trained

[Mani]

I think its sad that colleges have their own police forces.

Wish this guy would be honest and remind people that when there are active shooter situations, the policy of the police is to establish a perimeter outside while some nut inside the building runs from classroom to classroom shooting people, while police talk to local media warning other folks to stay away. That's their measure of safety.

If UCF police is anything like the department my college started up in my last 2 years of attendance, the primary goal is to put boots on car tires for students who can't find parking spaces (because there weren't enough, it was a scam, entrapment even) in time to make it to class. Of course, they needed the revenue to pay for fucking brand spanking new Dodge chargers. I guess they were anticipating high-speed chases around the campus parking lot. To this day I will not give a dime as an alumni. I will happily remind my former college that they wasted my tuition when I was there, and they'll never see another cent from me again.


We had a meter bandit who went around campus putting coins in expired parking meter just as the meter maid would drive up to give a ticket. The lady would yell and he'd run off. He was like a robin hood back in my day. In today's day a guy like that would be shot dead for suspicious behavior

I recall my parking meter frozen and stuck once. No matter how hard I tried the meter wouldn't take coins. So I made a sign on the windshield the meter is broken and left a ziplock bag with enough coins to last the class. When I got back there is a ticket on my windshield tucked next to my ziplock bag. The cop was getting into his car, I told him the meter is busted and I left coins, what else could I do!? He said he won't touch that, it's not his problem, and drove off.

That's when I just began to realize police are not there to serve the public.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

We had a meter bandit who went around campus putting coins in expired parking meter just as the meter maid would drive up to give a ticket. The lady would yell and he'd run off. He was like a robin hood back in my day. In today's day a guy like that would be shot dead for suspicious behavior

I recall my parking meter frozen and stuck once. No matter how hard I tried the meter wouldn't take coins. So I made a sign on the windshield the meter is broken and left a ziplock bag with enough coins to last the class. When I got back there is a ticket on my windshield tucked next to my ziplock bag. The cop was getting into his car, I told him the meter is busted and I left coins, what else could I do!? He said he won't touch that, it's not his problem, and drove off.

That's when I just began to realize police are not there to serve the public.

who keeps ziplock bags lying around their car? lol

[nobody's_hero]

who keeps ziplock bags lying around their car? lol

Well, I can think of some college folks who had ziplock bags in their cars, but they didn't use them to store coins.

[jmdrake]

Ban police who want to ban guns.

[ChristianAnarchist]

Foulk the goons...

[presence]

Ban police who want to ban guns.

fixed

[phill4paul]

Ya, he is missing the four stripes on his epaulets.

Admiral Asshat. :rolleyes:

[Cleaner44]

That guy wont do anything to get his uniform dirty. Law abiding C.C people do not threaten real law enforcement, only those that fear liberty and dirt bag criminals.

Quote from Captain Campus Carry Scary:I want to debunk the myth that a good guy with a gun always can and will save the day.

And here is a recent myth made real! Debunk that!

I want to debunk the myth that a cop can and will save the day.

[Spikender]

I want to debunk the myth that a good guy with a gun always can and will save the day.

Well if you account for the fact that this statist believes the police are "good guys", then this guy is 100% right.

[Anti Federalist]

A concealed weapons permit does not make you a trained law enforcement officer.

And thank Christ for that.

[Weston White]

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Hello, I am UCF Police Chief Richard Beary and tragically, I suffer from cognitive dissonance. This has been a public service announcement. Thank you.

[Cabal]

Police Say Gun Owners Greater Threat To Themselves Than Help To Law

Now you know how many citizens feel about many police.

[Bman]

Fixed the article.

"We are properly trained to kick in the wrong door , smoke bomb your child, and shoot your dog. Why would you possibly think you could do better without all the training necessary to provide such protective services?"

[Intoxiklown]

Am I the only one tho thinks he completely pulled the "we trained 5,000 hours in 2015" out of his ass? They spent almost 14 hours a day, EVERY day last year training?

[oyarde]

Am I the only one tho thinks he completely pulled the "we trained 5,000 hours in 2015" out of his ass? They spent almost 14 hours a day, EVERY day last year training?

May be that is the total of hrs worked by the dept.

[morfeeis]

I want to debunk the myth that a cop can and will save the day.

law enforcement is one of the biggest sources of revenue for most cities, once people understand that their view i hope would change. they aren't here to help they are here to tax us for using our freedom and to kill us if we don't suck their boots...

[Cleaner44]

law enforcement is one of the biggest sources of revenue for most cities, once people understand that their view i hope would change. they aren't here to help they are here to tax us for using our freedom and to kill us if we don't suck their boots...

The other strange thing is the concept that my bearing arms is meant to help the police... WRONG.


Police Say Gun Owners Greater Threat To Themselves Than Help To Law

I don't exist and own guns to help law enforcers... they exist to help me with the taxpayer purchased weapons we have provided to them.