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Working Poor
01-18-2016, 08:16 AM
I keep wondering when the people of this country are going to wake up to the criminal perverted activities of our elected officials. We can be sure that the higher position the more they are being blackmailed. The more despicable they are the more great press they will get. Boiling Frogs Post is working to expose this and we need to help them get this to the forefront. I am not going to let this go are you?:eek::eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFZRQcSMeeM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92T6cVlXcyg

rg17
01-18-2016, 08:38 AM
Biden needs to be in prison!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTT5dQcarl0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWAu7LwkmRM

ZENemy
01-18-2016, 10:11 AM
What we allow is what will continue.

ZENemy
01-18-2016, 10:12 AM
QQ
Biden needs to be in prison!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTT5dQcarl0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWAu7LwkmRM

That guy is absolutely disgusting, the fact that he holds any position of authority makes me want to throw up.

acptulsa
01-18-2016, 10:16 AM
The national debt is seventeen trillion, yet people don't know the politicians like screwing our children?

Sounds like just another failed IQ test to me.

timosman
01-18-2016, 10:22 AM
The national debt is seventeen trillion, yet people don't know the politicians like screwing our children?

Sounds like just another failed IQ test to me.

You are distracting.

acptulsa
01-18-2016, 10:39 AM
You are distracting.

Getting to the heart of the matter is the same thing as introducing a distraction?

This is how we keep getting ourselves screwed. We know that both sexual abuse and polio vaccine shots traumatize our children. But we consider the one good because we presume it makes their futures brighter, while we denounce the other as evil because it makes their futures more difficult.

And our politicians spend our great, great grandchildren into ungovernable debt. Yet we assume they want what's best for our children. Why? Because they spend every election year kissing babies?

Why do you want to limit us to one piece of evidence at a time that we have the most corrupt and evil government in the history of this nation? I say back up the whole dump truck and bury people in the evidence. If they want to be in denial, make them really work at it.

And if you were trying to arrest a murderer, would you consider it a distraction if I went around and covered the side door while you busted in through the front door? Finding a way to answer, 'Oh that couldn't possibly be what it looks like,' before it gets said isn't called 'being distracting'. It's called 'executing a pincers movement'. And if we don't learn to do it to people who are in denial and want to stay in denial, we will remain useless.

pcosmar
01-18-2016, 03:35 PM
You are distracting.

it's for the children. it always is.

enhanced_deficit
01-18-2016, 03:52 PM
US public showed pretty muted outrage about this shocking abuse of children (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Hv5F5G2rPjY/UTjs9RJw1OI/AAAAAAAANYY/M0ZV407FSVQ/s1600/droneC1.PNG), why would they outrage about abuse alleged in OP?

Working Poor
01-18-2016, 06:44 PM
I hear it is pretty easy to buy children in 3rd world countries.

Danke
01-18-2016, 06:50 PM
Well, at least they are not mass murders...

ChristianAnarchist
01-18-2016, 06:57 PM
None of it surprises me, in fact I'd expect it. These goons are taking everything they can. Why wouldn't they take the children? The only time these zero's are honest is when they say things like "the constitution is just a piece of paper". In that they are absolutely right and since there's no "authority" behind the founding document there's really NO law. THEY know that there is NO law and so they act as if there's NO law. If only "we the people" would understand this one simple fact and also start acting like there's NO law we would instantly be free. Think there's a "law" that says you need to pay income tax?? NO, there is not. Think there's a law that says you must not text and drive? NO, there is not. Think there's a law that says you can't have a machine gun?? NO, there is not. If everyone were to wake up one morning and realize that there are NO laws and start doing everything they want to do then true liberty will be EVERYWHERE. Will it be safe?? No, life is never safe. Will it be "safer" than living under the fantasy of believing in "laws"? I think so. Under the fantasy there are rapes and murders. Under the reality of NO laws there will be rapes and murders. I think with NO laws there will be less rapes and murders because people will be armed to the teeth and willing to do "justice" to the bad guys on the spot...

alucard13mm
01-18-2016, 07:18 PM
It is okay, it is the culture of politicians.. just like how it is as a culture in afghanistan/pakistan and islam lol. its just their culture.

If you disagree with the culture of politicians, you are a xenophobic, bigot and mean. gg

heavenlyboy34
01-18-2016, 07:55 PM
fire11 was right about Them all along! TPTB are all sex maniacs!

pcosmar
01-18-2016, 08:01 PM
You think this is new.. but it is not.

acptulsa is correct.

TPTB need to be seen for exactly what they are.. a malevolent evil.

MKUltra showed just exactly how evil they are,, and people still ignore it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc9_cDdLsms

jmdrake
01-18-2016, 08:07 PM
It is okay, it is the culture of politicians.. just like how it is as a culture in afghanistan/pakistan and islam lol. its just their culture.

If you disagree with the culture of politicians, you are a xenophobic, bigot and mean. gg

Here's what's sad about that. The Taliban put an end to the "bacha boy" practice of Afghan warlords being able to procure little boys for their sexual entertainment. Once we kicked the Taliban out of power, U.S. defense contractor Dynecorp brought it back. Oh how our wonderful military-industrial complex brings out the best in people.

heavenlyboy34
01-18-2016, 09:44 PM
Here's what's sad about that. The Taliban put an end to the "bacha boy" practice of Afghan warlords being able to procure little boys for their sexual entertainment. Once we kicked the Taliban out of power, U.S. defense contractor Dynecorp brought it back. Oh how our wonderful military-industrial complex brings out the best in people.
Can you refer me to articles/literature/media about this? I haven't heard of this before.

Dianne
01-18-2016, 10:07 PM
What we allow is what will continue.

Well said. And they are all being blackmaled by Obama's NSA. Time to clean out the Congress completely, dump the NSA and start with a clean slate.

timosman
01-18-2016, 10:23 PM
Well said. And they are all being blackmaled by Obama's NSA. Time to clean out the Congress completely, dump the NSA and start with a clean slate.

How exactly will this happen? Right after they pass the term limits?

Dianne
01-18-2016, 10:28 PM
How exactly will this happen? Right after they pass the term limits?

Well it sure isn't going to be easy, but I know you and I know they have to go. The people have to remove them. Term limits are perfect. Let's make them retroactive. There is something we must do to keep our message going forward after the elections. Possibly unite as a group and go after one issue, whether it be term limits. Rand Paul supporters have strength to do something that will make a big difference in how this pseudo government is run.

AngryCanadian
01-18-2016, 10:46 PM
This also happening in Europe. No laws can stop them.

AngryCanadian
01-18-2016, 10:47 PM
Has Anyone seen yet?
Banned Vid. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttT6FrMosBk)

Danke
01-18-2016, 11:08 PM
Has Anyone seen yet?
Banned Vid. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttT6FrMosBk)

Ya, posted many times.

timosman
11-25-2016, 02:00 AM
bump

Theocrat
11-25-2016, 02:33 AM
If you don't believe in the triune God of Scripture, then you can't have an absolute nor consistent reason to condemn pedophilia. By Evolutionary reasoning and precepts (and there are many naturalists and ethicists who would agree that), pedophilia is just another sexual behavior like homosexuality, bisexuality, polygamy, polyandry, necrophilia, phytophilia, and bestiality derived from a person's "natural" desires by the means of natural selection. If you're going to argue that homosexuality is okay but then turn around and condemn pedophilia, then you are a hypocrite.

So, my point is determining whether or not pedophilia is a natural consequence of evolutionary descent is the prerequisite before anyone condemns "pedophiles running our government," if one denies that God has any authority in our sexual habits and desires.

AuH20
11-25-2016, 09:01 AM
Parasites of resources are parasites of children. It all makes sense.

The One
11-25-2016, 09:17 AM
If you don't believe in the triune God of Scripture, then you can't have an absolute nor consistent reason to condemn pedophilia. By Evolutionary reasoning and precepts (and there are many naturalists and ethicists who would agree that), pedophilia is just another sexual behavior like homosexuality, bisexuality, polygamy, polyandry, necrophilia, phytophilia, and bestiality derived from a person's "natural" desires by the means of natural selection. If you're going to argue that homosexuality is okay but then turn around and condemn pedophilia, then you are a hypocrite.

So, my point is determining whether or not pedophilia is a natural consequence of evolutionary descent is the prerequisite before anyone condemns "pedophiles running our government," if one denies that God has any authority in our sexual habits and desires.

Homosexuality involves consenting adults. Pedophilia does not. I don't have a problem with people being bisexual cuz...ya know...consenting adults. Bestiality does not involve two consenting adult humans. I don't have a problem with polygamy as long as all involved are...ya know...consenting adults. Both parties can't consent to necrophilia. I don't know what the other two words mean, and I don't care enough to take the time to look.

lilymc
11-25-2016, 02:36 PM
Homosexuality involves consenting adults. Pedophilia does not. I don't have a problem with people being bisexual cuz...ya know...consenting adults. Bestiality does not involve two consenting adult humans. I don't have a problem with polygamy as long as all involved are...ya know...consenting adults. Both parties can't consent to necrophilia. I don't know what the other two words mean, and I don't care enough to take the time to look.

Yes, but Theocrat does have a point. It's similar to one that I've brought up before, on other threads. If there isn't a true objective moral standard (that applies to everyone, whether people believe it or not) then morality doesn't even exist, except for as a purely subjective opinion. And no one opinion can be better than any other. That means that consent doesn't matter, if morality is purely subjective.

timosman
11-25-2016, 02:53 PM
Yes, but Theocrat does have a point. It's similar to one that I've brought up before, on other threads. If there isn't a true objective moral standard (that applies to everyone, whether people believe it or not) then morality doesn't even exist, except for as a purely subjective opinion. And no one opinion can be better than any other. That means that consent doesn't matter, if morality is purely subjective.

No, Theocrat does not have a point. He does not even mention consent. You are also jumping to conclusions as TheOne explicitly mentions consent. Strawman?

lilymc
11-25-2016, 03:46 PM
No, Theocrat does not have a point. He does not even mention consent. You are also jumping to conclusions as TheOne explicitly mentions consent. Strawman?

You completely misunderstood what I was saying. I would take the time to go through it with you, but you seem to be a bit hostile, so I'll stick with the person I was posting to, The One.

Theocrat
11-26-2016, 03:42 AM
Homosexuality involves consenting adults. Pedophilia does not. I don't have a problem with people being bisexual cuz...ya know...consenting adults. Bestiality does not involve two consenting adult humans. I don't have a problem with polygamy as long as all involved are...ya know...consenting adults. Both parties can't consent to necrophilia. I don't know what the other two words mean, and I don't care enough to take the time to look.

Now you've made the problem more difficult because consent necessarily implies free will. In a universe of just random processes subject to non-sentient matter on a subatomic level, there can be no such thing as "free will" because matter just operates based on forces enacted against it. Just as rocks fall to the ground by gravitational processes, the human brain just does whatever it does based on random electrochemical processes. Therefore, there can be no true consent whereby a person is free to choose one behavior from another behavior simply because he is subject to whatever processes his brain forces him to act.

But if we take the idea of consent up to another level, and with the assumption that the universe is not under the influence of a personal God, then we must ask why consent, itself, ought to be the determining factor for correct any behavior. Children do not consent to their parent's discipline before they are spanked, for instance, yet we all realize that the consent of the child is irrelevant for such matters. Criminals don't consent to being taken away to prison before they are arrested, either, but we recognize that their consent is moot in matters of justice.

So, philosophically speaking, you have to show objectively why consent is true, so that it can be asserted as a proper ethical standard in sexual behavior, no matter if a person accepts consent or not. And you have to apply it as that standard for these biological bags of meat and bones with electricity flowing through them known as "human beings." Otherwise, you are just being arbitrary. And if you want to be arbitrary, then someone else can come along and impose his sexual standards by rejecting consent as the precondition for acceptable sexual behavior (as do the "pedophiles running our government" towards little boys and girls).

UWDude
11-26-2016, 06:23 AM
Now you've made the problem more difficult because consent necessarily implies free will. In a universe of just random processes subject to non-sentient matter on a subatomic level, there can be no such thing as "free will" because matter just operates based on forces enacted against it. Just as rocks fall to the ground by gravitational processes, the human brain just does whatever it does based on random electrochemical processes. Therefore, there can be no true consent whereby a person is free to choose one behavior from another behavior simply because he is subject to whatever processes his brain forces him to act.

But if we take the idea of consent up to another level, and with the assumption that the universe is not under the influence of a personal God, then we must ask why consent, itself, ought to be the determining factor for correct any behavior. Children do not consent to their parent's discipline before they are spanked, for instance, yet we all realize that the consent of the child is irrelevant for such matters. Criminals don't consent to being taken away to prison before they are arrested, either, but we recognize that their consent is moot in matters of justice.

So, philosophically speaking, you have to show objectively why consent is true, so that it can be asserted as a proper ethical standard in sexual behavior, no matter if a person accepts consent or not. And you have to apply it as that standard for these biological bags of meat and bones with electricity flowing through them known as "human beings." Otherwise, you are just being arbitrary. And if you want to be arbitrary, then someone else can come along and impose his sexual standards by rejecting consent as the precondition for acceptable sexual behavior (as do the "pedophiles running our government" towards little boys and girls).

I sure am glad you are anti-Trump.

Sola_Fide
11-26-2016, 06:34 AM
I keep wondering when the people of this country are going to wake up to the criminal perverted activities of our elected officials. We can be sure that the higher position the more they are being blackmailed. The more despicable they are the more great press they will get. Boiling Frogs Post is working to expose this and we need to help them get this to the forefront. I am not going to let this go are you?:eek::eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFZRQcSMeeM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92T6cVlXcyg

As much as I am inclined to agree with presentations like this, I still believe it is a distraction. People shouldn't be contra state because perverts are running it, but because of a firm belief in property and liberty.

Theocrat
11-26-2016, 08:00 AM
I sure am glad you are anti-Trump.

You're glad I'm anti-Trump because you are anti-liberty. You want more intervention from the federal government into our personal lives, into the marketplace, and into the affairs of foreign nations. That's exactly what Trump stands for, and that is just as evil as "pedophiles running our government."

The One
11-26-2016, 08:00 AM
Now you've made the problem more difficult because consent necessarily implies free will. In a universe of just random processes subject to non-sentient matter on a subatomic level, there can be no such thing as "free will" because matter just operates based on forces enacted against it. Just as rocks fall to the ground by gravitational processes, the human brain just does whatever it does based on random electrochemical processes. Therefore, there can be no true consent whereby a person is free to choose one behavior from another behavior simply because he is subject to whatever processes his brain forces him to act.

But if we take the idea of consent up to another level, and with the assumption that the universe is not under the influence of a personal God, then we must ask why consent, itself, ought to be the determining factor for correct any behavior. Children do not consent to their parent's discipline before they are spanked, for instance, yet we all realize that the consent of the child is irrelevant for such matters. Criminals don't consent to being taken away to prison before they are arrested, either, but we recognize that their consent is moot in matters of justice.

So, philosophically speaking, you have to show objectively why consent is true, so that it can be asserted as a proper ethical standard in sexual behavior, no matter if a person accepts consent or not. And you have to apply it as that standard for these biological bags of meat and bones with electricity flowing through them known as "human beings." Otherwise, you are just being arbitrary. And if you want to be arbitrary, then someone else can come along and impose his sexual standards by rejecting consent as the precondition for acceptable sexual behavior (as do the "pedophiles running our government" towards little boys and girls).


This makes me think of the dude who said something like, "I don't know how to define pornography, but I know it when I see it."

Well, I don't know what "processes subject to non-sentient matter on a sub-atomic level" has to do with any of this, but I do know that raping little kids is not comparable to two chicks scissor-fucking the shit out of each other for pleasure.

Theocrat
11-26-2016, 08:06 AM
This makes me think of the dude who said something like, "I don't know how to define pornography, but I know it when I see it."

Well, I don't know what "processes subject to non-sentient matter on a sub-atomic level" has to do with any of this, but I do know that raping little kids is not comparable to two chicks scissor-fucking the shit out of each other for pleasure.

It has a lot to do with it because you must be able to justify why consent is right, on a metaphysical level, given the assumption that there is no God. If you can't justify objectively why consent ought to be the precondition for proper sexual behavior, then you are asserting an idea without a just basis for it. In other words, you are being arbitrary. You're essentially arguing that two people must consent to a sexual act because you think consent is good. But then someone else can be equally arbitrary and say that consent is irrelevant when it comes to fulfilling their sexual lusts (as pedophiles, rapists, and others do). That's the consequence of your idea on sexual behavior, especially in a world without the sovereignty of a personal God.

otherone
11-26-2016, 08:15 AM
If you can't justify objectively why consent ought to be the precondition for proper sexual behavior,

Is consent the precondition for any behavior?

The One
11-26-2016, 08:17 AM
It has a lot to do with it because you must be able to justify why consent is right, on a metaphysical level, given the assumption that there is no God. If you can't justify objectively why consent ought to be the precondition for proper sexual behavior, then you are asserting an idea without a just basis for it. In other words, you are being arbitrary. You're essentially arguing that two people must consent to a sexual act because you think consent is good. But then someone else can be equally arbitrary and say that consent is irrelevant when it comes to fulfilling their sexual lusts (as pedophiles, rapists, and others do). That's the consequence of your idea on sexual behavior, especially in a world without the sovereignty of a personal God.


Okay, you win. Your prize? A new avatar...

http://cdn.pinknews.co.uk/images/2015/08/jim-parsons-2.jpg

UWDude
11-26-2016, 09:07 AM
You're glad I'm anti-Trump because you are anti-liberty. You want more intervention from the federal government into our personal lives, into the marketplace, and into the affairs of foreign nations. That's exactly what Trump stands for, and that is just as evil as "pedophiles running our government."

No, because your views are far beyond the pale of common discourse. You can make the anti-trumpers look bad.

Theocrat
12-04-2016, 09:50 AM
Is consent the precondition for any behavior?

That depends on your worldview, particularly as it relates to whether human beings have souls or not. From a Christian worldview, no, consent is not always the precondition for any behavior. In fact, if God did not give us new hearts by the Holy Spirit ("being born again") to trust and follow Him, then no one would consent to believing in Him. That's because we're all born in sin, and our natural selves don't want anything to do with God, due to that sin nature.

But once again, if one rejects the Christian worldview about the nature of human beings, then that person has to justify (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/justify) why pedophilia is objectively wrong, given the assertion that human beings are just biological machines subject to the laws of chemistry and physics. And to insert the need for consent in sexual behavior goes way beyond biology, chemistry, or physics. Otherwise, consent becomes an impossibility, or, at best, just something that is dependent upon impersonal and random material forces which no human being can control unto himself.

ChristianAnarchist
12-04-2016, 10:42 PM
That depends on your worldview, particularly as it relates to whether human beings have souls or not. From a Christian worldview, no, consent is not always the precondition for any behavior. In fact, if God did not give us new hearts by the Holy Spirit ("being born again") to trust and follow Him, then no one would consent to believing in Him. That's because we're all born in sin, and our natural selves don't want anything to do with God, due to that sin nature.

But once again, if one rejects the Christian worldview about the nature of human beings, then that person has to justify (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/justify) why pedophilia is objectively wrong, given the assertion that human beings are just biological machines subject to the laws of chemistry and physics. And to insert the need for consent in sexual behavior goes way beyond biology, chemistry, or physics. Otherwise, consent becomes an impossibility, or, at best, just something that is dependent upon impersonal and random material forces which no human being can control unto himself.

I hate to have to be the one to bring this up but exactly where does the bible say anything about what age one can have sex at?? In fact there are many instances in the bible where very young people have had sex and or married... Just wonderin...

Zippyjuan
12-05-2016, 05:38 PM
Lot had sex with his own daughters (they got him drunk first). Doesn't say how old they were though. It did note that they were virgins. He also offered them to citizens of Sodom so they would not attack (rape ) his house guests.