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enhanced_deficit
12-28-2015, 03:18 PM
Who in your view is behind creation of ISIS?

Vote in attached poll.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuceU3x2Ww
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuceU3x2Ww

Will Neocons-Al Qaeda alliance end well? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?427051-Will-Neocons-Al-Qaeda-alliance-end-well&)
Controversial zionist Charles Krauthammer making neocons' case for US alliance with Islamic Jihadist militants:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIRUeJYFZ94





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http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/poll_posticon.gif Poll: Who poses bigger threat to America: Obama or ISIS ? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?471704-Who-poses-bigger-threat-to-America-Obama-or-ISIS&)



Syria: The Strange US/Israel/Al-Qaeda Ménage à Trois (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?427051-Will-Neocons-Al-Qaeda-alliance-end-well&)

Syrian in Israeli hospital: ‘Most fighters know they will get good care here’ (http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Syrian-in-Israeli-hospital-Most-fighters-know-theywill-get-good-care-here-326110)
By REUTERS
09/15/2013 02:43
IDF mum on how the steady flow of wounded from the Syria civil war enter Israel, looking for treatment.

http://www.jpost.com/HttpHandlers/ShowImage.ashx?id=226464&h=236&w=370


ISIS and Israel to attack Hezbullah in Lebanon (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?459389-ISIS-and-Israel-to-attack-Hezbullah-in-Lebanon&)

No need to panic ; Former CIA deputy station chief discusses ISIS with Iraqi Sunni leaders (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?454707-No-need-to-panic-Former-CIA-deputy-station-chief-discusses-ISIS-with-Iraqi-Sunni-leaders&)

Syrian Civil War Fueling Bloody Resurgence of Al Qaeda in Iraq


(http://matthewaid.tumblr.com/post/58409385761)


https://i2.wp.com/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/08/11/05/article-3734124-371938FB00000578-832_964x499.jpg



(http://matthewaid.tumblr.com/post/58409385761)

enhanced_deficit
12-29-2015, 12:06 PM
USAID Prints and Distributes Radical Islamic Jihad Books

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GtsGeSU21Ng/VCldB1OKBnI/AAAAAAAAHuA/2BvN4lVKBOI/s1600/TextBook.png
http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/ISIL-invasion-e1404535165853.jpg
https://theuniversalspectator.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/ubl-20yrs.jpg?w=560&h=373

ISIS = RM 2.0 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?459503-ISIS-Revolution-Muslim-2-0&)

Brian4Liberty
12-29-2015, 01:22 PM
You will generally get more participation in polls that are not public.

CPUd
12-29-2015, 02:39 PM
It defeats his purpose to make the polls private.

Rad
12-29-2015, 03:04 PM
The actions of George W. Bush (invading Iraq) and Paul Bremer (the idiot who fired the Iraqi Army). The original leader of the group formerly known as Al Qaeda in Iraq: Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

enhanced_deficit
12-30-2015, 01:41 PM
You will generally get more participation in polls that are not public.

You are probably right. Generally I thought everyone knowing where others stood on issues facilitates discussions but in current freedom situation all may not feel comfortable with public polls.



The actions of George W. Bush (invading Iraq) and Paul Bremer (the idiot who fired the Iraqi Army). The original leader of the group formerly known as Al Qaeda in Iraq: Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

As Bush and Bremer were reps of US gov't, I guess you are going with first option in this poll.

Iraq War Was a 'Duty,' Bush Tells Britons
As London braces for up to 100,000 protesters today, the president urges the nation to remember the role allies played in its own history.
November 20, 2003
The United States and Great Britain have labored hard to help make the United Nations ... an effective instrument of our collective security.... The credibility of the U.N. depends on a willingness to keep its word and to act when action is required.
http://articles.latimes.com/2003/nov/20/world/fg-bush20/3

Powell Denies Rift Over Iraq Invasion
Secretary Defends the War, Says U.S. Got Rid of 'a Horrible Dictator'
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, August 6, 2004
Secretary of State Colin L. Powell delivered a spirited defense of U.S. foreign policy and the war in Iraq, telling a convention of minority journalists in Washington yesterday that he was "solidly behind" the use of force against Saddam Hussein.
Speaking to Unity: Journalists of Color hours after Democratic presidential nominee John F. Kerry told the gathering that the Iraq war represented a failure of diplomacy, Powell replied: "We haven't had a failure in Iraq. We have gotten rid of a horrible dictator."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43733-2004Aug5.html





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ISIS is tightening its grip in Libya
www.businessinsider.com/isis-is-tightening-its-grip-in-lib (http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-is-tightening-its-grip-in-lib)...
Nov 16, 2015 - libya REUTERS/StringerA member of the Libyan pro-government forces stands in front of the ruins of a shopping mall in Benghazi, Libya ...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Di0rb8opQlM/Tl9yiYPJUgI/AAAAAAAADAo/GPH6aVe389E/s1600/kristof.png

Rad
12-30-2015, 02:06 PM
Last option.
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi created it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Musab_al-Zarqawi
The next leader of it was Abu Ayyub al-Masri. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ayyub_al-Masri
Then came Abu Omar al-Baghdadi. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Abdullah_al-Rashid_al-Baghdadi
Then came Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_al-Baghdadi

enhanced_deficit
12-30-2015, 02:14 PM
Last option.
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi created it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Musab_al-Zarqawi
The next leader of it was Abu Ayyub al-Masri. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ayyub_al-Masri
Then came Abu Omar al-Baghdadi. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Abdullah_al-Rashid_al-Baghdadi
Then came Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_al-Baghdadi

If you have read these pages, do they mention news like these also?

First release of ISIS execution video came from an ex Israeli soldier Rita Katz (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?459290-First-release-of-ISIS-execution-video-came-from-an-ex-Israeli-soldier-Rita-Katz&)

Netanyahu advised US against attacking ISIS (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?480535-Netanyahu-advised-US-against-attacking-ISIS-wants-violence-between-ISIS-Iran&)

Or is this edited version of events.
Wiki often has useful info but it should be scrutinized.

Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/18/wikipedia-editing-zionist-groups
Aug 18, 2010 - Two Israeli groups set up training courses in Wikipedia editing ...culture.

Rad
12-30-2015, 02:49 PM
I knew that Israel provides health care to Al Nusra, and that Netanyahu wants no outcome in Syria. I'm not following what Israel has to do with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi? He created ISIS.

"The surge did not destroy AQI except in Republican fantasy land. It simply burrowed underground and waited. New leadership was provided by Abu Bakr al Baghdadi who today promises to finish Zarqawi's quest to build a caliphate here and now. Carefully he rebuilt the group's cadres, freed its prisoners in Iraqi jails and exploited the chaos in Syria to revive Zarqawi's jihad." https://www.lawfareblog.com/al-qaeda-iraq-isis-al-zarqawi-al-baghdadi

r3volution 3.0
12-30-2015, 02:56 PM
The US and allies have been sponsoring radical Islamist rebels in Syria for years, in order to "Qaddafi" Mr. Assad, and ISIS grew out of those rebel groups.

...no dispute about that.

Have the US and allies been sponsoring ISIS proper?

Well, Turkey most certainly has, with nary a peep of objection from the US, so...

Rad
12-30-2015, 03:10 PM
As far as I know: ISIS has grown stronger because other groups give/sell them weapons and join up like from Al Nusra and the Free Syrian Army (with US supplied weapons). The smaller groups fight along side the bigger ones. Saudis and Qataris funded some of the groups like Al Nusra (Qatar wants them to ditch Al Qaeda for marketing purposes). Private citizens fund these groups. They have oil revenue. The CIA had a rat line sending arms from Libya to Turkey which were handed out to Salafi jihadist. Dempsey had them give out inferior weapons out according to Hersh because he didn't want Assad to lose to them.

enhanced_deficit
01-06-2017, 05:52 PM
Early reporting can be foggy, let's wait till all the facts come out.




"In November 2016, he walked into an FBI office in Anchorage claiming that he was being forced to fight for ISIS and was sent to a psychiatric hospital, officials revealed."


Suspect 'Told FBI Was Being Forced To Fight For ISIS'...
IN CUSTODY...
26, MALE, AMERICAN BORN IN NJ... DEVELOPING...



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Zippyjuan
01-06-2017, 05:58 PM
"We don't know but I am going to put it in big colorful letters so everybody can see.". Ok.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/esteban-santiago-shooter-fort-lauderdale-suspect-new-jersey-us-citizen-26-military-id-a7513976.html


The suspect showed up at the FBI office in Anchorage a few months ago, law enforcement officials told CNN. He was interviewed and said he was hearing voices, including some telling him to join Isis. He then voluntarily checked himself in to hospital for a mental health evaluation

GunnyFreedom
01-06-2017, 06:22 PM
US and allies, but probably more through incompetence than actual will.

vonMises
01-08-2017, 03:45 PM
US and allies, but probably more through incompetence than actual will.

There is simply so much disinformation that it's going to take quite a while to correct... It's sad to see loyal Americans like you get suckered into believing such things... The U.S. is literally facing a worldwide army of Russians/Slavs with inferiority complexes and nothing better to do but give the American public gobly gook for the next decade or so. Some of them are even residents and nationals of the U.S., and are otherwise seditious and violating many laws. And I really wonder if a person like me should do something like this...as the Russians essentially started the so-called "ISIS death lists" by calling for the deaths of tens of thousands of Western citizens (and almost every single so-called ISIS hack, as well, has had Russian electronic signatures)...and start releasing every so-called suspected U.S. resident, and U.S. national, with ties to Russia, and who have been engaging in seditious activities in the U.S... Maybe, maybe not...

vonMises
01-08-2017, 03:49 PM
And I stand firmly in my belief that the foundation of Donald Trump's presidential success stands at the feet of the Ron Paul 2008/2012 campaigns, but not from elements that were obvious then (i.e. Russian trial and error efforts to spam Ron Paul across the internet).

timosman
01-08-2017, 03:50 PM
For the record: it was not me.

vonMises
01-08-2017, 04:01 PM
For the record: it was not me.

This is far too conservative of an estimate...but I have a strong suspicion, sort of out of my ass though...that one in every four Slavs from any number of ex-Soviet countries, and who migrated to the West since the collapse of the Soviet Union, remains rather unassimilated, to the point in which they could easily be inspired or receive instruction to act on behalf of the Russian government and otherwise hold a dangerous capacity towards seditious activity. And Slavs like to highlight problems with Arabs/Muslims and Blacks in order to deflect from their own deficiencies (it's one part disinformation, another part to demonstrate loyalties to another country, and another part to ensure Slavs get accepted into a society that may still end up rejecting them). Not that I'm actually racist, but it is what it is.

timosman
01-08-2017, 04:19 PM
This is far too conservative of an estimate...but I have a strong suspicion, sort of out of my ass though...that one in every four Slavs from any number of ex-Soviet countries, and who migrated to the West since the collapse of the Soviet Union, remains rather unassimilated, to the point in which they could easily be inspired or receive instruction to act on behalf of the Russian government and otherwise hold a dangerous capacity towards seditious activity. And Slavs like to highlight problems with Arabs/Muslims and Blacks in order to deflect from their own deficiencies (it's one part disinformation, another part to demonstrate loyalties to another country, and another part to ensure Slavs get accepted into a society that may still end up rejecting them). Not that I'm actually racist, but it is what it is.

I was referring to the OP. Apologies for the confusion. :D

vonMises
01-08-2017, 05:13 PM
I was referring to the OP. Apologies for the confusion. :D

By providing the likes of Kadyrov with social validation, Mike Tyson, Elizabeth Hurley and Jean Claude van Damme (of all people) may go down in history as having a far greater role in the perpetuation of ISIS than most people could ever dream of... Anyways, and in spite of whatever Russian government involvement there is to perpetuate ISIS, what ultimately motivates Trump trolling and the joining ISIS (I even said that both were siblings) is that both movements help provide ultimate meaning and purpose to individuals from otherwise broken families of the former Soviet Union. Such thing makes out-of-wedlock births within the African American community look like nothing.

donnay
01-08-2017, 05:26 PM
Flashback:

Hillary Admitted She And Obama Created ISIS – Caught on Tape!
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/hillary-isis-admitted-obama-created-isis-flashback/

GunnyFreedom
01-08-2017, 05:38 PM
There is simply so much disinformation that it's going to take quite a while to correct... It's sad to see loyal Americans like you get suckered into believing such things... The U.S. is literally facing a worldwide army of Russians/Slavs with inferiority complexes and nothing better to do but give the American public gobly gook for the next decade or so. Some of them are even residents and nationals of the U.S., and are otherwise seditious and violating many laws. And I really wonder if a person like me should do something like this...as the Russians essentially started the so-called "ISIS death lists" by calling for the deaths of tens of thousands of Western citizens (and almost every single so-called ISIS hack, as well, has had Russian electronic signatures)...and start releasing every so-called suspected U.S. resident, and U.S. national, with ties to Russia, and who have been engaging in seditious activities in the U.S... Maybe, maybe not...

Unless John McCain and Hillary Clinton are Russian agents I'm not buying it. If you do want me to believe that they are Russian agents, then I will need to see photos of the younger Clinton and McCain in a Soviet hospital with wires on their heads. Conspiracies are a dime a dozen and I've heard most of them. I continue to not be impressed. They are simply incompetent idiots who thought they were arming "freedom rebels" to take down Assad. As soon as they got all the guns they could from us these freedom rebels absorbed into ISIS. I don't even worry about whatever picture the media tries to paint except insofar as to disregard it.

enhanced_deficit
01-08-2017, 05:46 PM
Flashback:

Hillary Admitted She And Obama Created ISIS – Caught on Tape!
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/hillary-isis-admitted-obama-created-isis-flashback/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqn0bm4E9yw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqn0bm4E9yw

Hillary is surprisngly candid (Trumpesque?) in this video.
Totally different and manufactured Hillary showed up during 2016 race and got her butt kicked naturally.

Maybe time for Hillary to pass the glass-ceiling breaking baton to fresh blood:

Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard Says The U.S. Government Is Directly Funding ISIS And Al Qaeda! (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?505149-Congresswoman-Tulsi-Gabbard-Says-The-U-S-Government-Is-Directly-Funding-ISIS-And-Al-Qaeda%21&)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qdf2WH4g9k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qdf2WH4g9k

timosman
01-08-2017, 06:01 PM
Unless John McCain and Hillary Clinton are Russian agents I'm not buying it. If you do want me to believe that they are Russian agents, then I will need to see photos of the younger Clinton and McCain in a Soviet hospital with wires on their heads. Conspiracies are a dime a dozen and I've heard most of them. I continue to not be impressed. They are simply incompetent idiots who thought they were arming "freedom rebels" to take down Assad. As soon as they got all the guns they could from us these freedom rebels absorbed into ISIS. I don't even worry about whatever picture the media tries to paint except insofar as to disregard it.

How quickly we were able to forget about Al-Qaeda. :confused:

There is also this famous video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoppuJOJw1Q

enhanced_deficit
01-09-2017, 03:51 PM
How quickly we were able to forget about Al-Qaeda. :confused:

There is also this famous video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoppuJOJw1Q


Reagan would be turning in his grave if he sees how ISIS has been recreated to replace AlQaeda jihadis.

vonMises
01-09-2017, 06:32 PM
Flashback:

Hillary Admitted She And Obama Created ISIS – Caught on Tape!
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/hillary-isis-admitted-obama-created-isis-flashback/


Well not ISIS per se, but Al Qaeda was the consequence of geopolitics of another era and an attempt to contain the former Soviet Union (which was seen as a far larger threat at the time than militant Islam), and Hilary is correct to say that we reap what we sow, but what we see now, that being another militant Islamic phenomenon (I think Trump trolling also qualifies as well), is more the consequence of the collapse of the former Soviet Union, with more than half of ISIS fighters being from the former Soviet Union alone (and not to mention current Russian provinces like Dagestan and Chechnya, being epic centers for ISIS as well, but French actor and now Russian citizen Gerald Depardieu, of all persons, assured us in the wake of the Boston Marathon bombing, that Chechnya has nothing to do with terrorism [Depardieu might also be a Muslim these days...]). So all together a significant portion of ISIS fighters are Russian speakers of some kind even if they are no longer Russian nationals. Things may be more clear if one was to see ISIS as "zombies", and nothing more, and who exist next a region that France, Turkey, Germany, Iran and Russia have strong geopolitical interests in (but also the U.S. for simply being an ally of many European countries and who need to project their superpower status by aiding the geopolitical goals of its allies). The existence of ISIS puts a cork in both the ambitions of Europe/USA and Russia/Iran/Syria, but as Putin notes, the U.S. has made attempts to influence the actions of ISIS nonetheless (but history will show that Russia will be far more guilty to this times 10) and Russia will benefit the least should ISIS suddenly disappear.

GunnyFreedom
01-09-2017, 06:53 PM
http://i.imgur.com/6D5sss2.jpg

donnay
01-09-2017, 07:25 PM
Well not ISIS per se, but Al Qaeda was the consequence of geopolitics of another era and an attempt to contain the former Soviet Union (which was seen as a far larger threat at the time than militant Islam), and Hilary is correct to say that we reap what we sow, but what we see now, that being another militant Islamic phenomenon (I think Trump trolling also qualifies as well), is more the consequence of the collapse of the former Soviet Union, with more than half of ISIS fighters being from the former Soviet Union alone (and not to mention current Russian provinces like Dagestan and Chechnya, being epic centers for ISIS as well, but French actor and now Russian citizen Gerald Depardieu, of all persons, assured us in the wake of the Boston Marathon bombing, that Chechnya has nothing to do with terrorism [Depardieu might also be a Muslim these days...]). So all together a significant portion of ISIS fighters are Russian speakers of some kind even if they are no longer Russian nationals. Things may be more clear if one was to see ISIS as "zombies", and nothing more, and who exist next a region that France, Turkey, Germany, Iran and Russia have strong geopolitical interests in (but also the U.S. for simply being an ally of many European countries and who need to project their superpower status by aiding the geopolitical goals of its allies). The existence of ISIS puts a cork in both the ambitions of Europe/USA and Russia/Iran/Syria, but as Putin notes, the U.S. has made attempts to influence the actions of ISIS nonetheless (but history will show that Russia will be far more guilty to this times 10) and Russia will benefit the least should ISIS suddenly disappear.

More Flashbacks:

WikiLeaks CONFIRMS Hillary Sold Weapons to ISIS… Then Drops Another BOMBSHELL
!http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/wikileaks-confirms-hillary-sold-weapons-isis-drops-another-bombshell-breaking-news/

Fact Check: Were Obama and Hillary Founders of ISIS? You Bet
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/08/12/fact-check-obama-hillary-founders-isis-bet/

vonMises
01-09-2017, 07:30 PM
Unless John McCain and Hillary Clinton are Russian agents I'm not buying it. If you do want me to believe that they are Russian agents, then I will need to see photos of the younger Clinton and McCain in a Soviet hospital with wires on their heads. Conspiracies are a dime a dozen and I've heard most of them. I continue to not be impressed. They are simply incompetent idiots who thought they were arming "freedom rebels" to take down Assad. As soon as they got all the guns they could from us these freedom rebels absorbed into ISIS. I don't even worry about whatever picture the media tries to paint except insofar as to disregard it.

You're likely not an INTJ, or an intuitive (as oppose to being a smart sensor or smart ISTJ who thinks he's an INTJ), as if you were one, things could be communicated to you quickly without needing much proof on the matter. Sorry to have said that. I believe various assertions of mine have been accepted without much need to demonstrate them clearly to various INTJ's here and that's because they are truly INTJs. My own sense and intuition supersedes theirs of course but communicating with them wouldn't be much of a problem but I know I have to start breaking things down and spelling things out for many of the people here who are not like them... Anyways, entertain this story for now about "ISIS hacking" TV5Monde back in April 2015 as this was the method used to hack the DNC, Colin Powell, an Ukrainian electrical plant, etc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBcCQwUkmp4
And which was later to be found to have had APT 28, or Russian electronic signatures, the same signatures in the hacking of the DNC, Colin Powell, an Ukrainian electrical plant, etc. As I think the Russians want to target our electrical grid one day, with phishing emails and then installing malware on the same computers used to access email that also are running the grid, and blaming ISIS as a cover.

donnay
01-09-2017, 07:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvj0v0W6yjk

vonMises
01-09-2017, 08:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvj0v0W6yjk


As Donald Trump and his Transition Team themselves have even accepted the findings of APT28 and which also includes so-called "ISIS hacks" (that Trump apparently doesn't know about yet), this man is coming off as an idiot.

timosman
01-09-2017, 09:37 PM
You're likely not an INTJ, or an intuitive (as oppose to being a smart sensor or smart ISTJ who thinks he's an INTJ), as if you were one, things could be communicated to you quickly without needing much proof on the matter. Sorry to have said that. I believe various assertions of mine have been accepted without much need to demonstrate them clearly to various INTJ's here and that's because they are truly INTJs. My own sense and intuition supersedes theirs of course but communicating with them wouldn't be much of a problem but I know I have to start breaking things down and spelling things out for many of the people here who are not like them... Anyways, entertain this story for now about "ISIS hacking" TV5Monde back in April 2015 as this was the method used to hack the DNC, Colin Powell, an Ukrainian electrical plant, etc:

And which was later to be found to have had APT 28, or Russian electronic signatures, the same signatures in the hacking of the DNC, Colin Powell, an Ukrainian electrical plant, etc. As I think the Russians want to target our electrical grid one day, with phishing emails and then installing malware on the same computers used to access email that also are running the grid, and blaming ISIS as a cover.

The same signatures? You mean the script kiddies used the same - 2 year old script?:D

https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2014/10/apt28-a-window-into-russias-cyber-espionage-operations.html

vonMises
01-10-2017, 10:14 AM
The same signatures? You mean the script kiddies used the same - 2 year old script?:D

https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2014/10/apt28-a-window-into-russias-cyber-espionage-operations.html

Well it's not high level hacking as the video I referenced made note, but Pentagon officials to the DNC are nonetheless falling for simple hacks by the Russians (well more like intermediate level hacks). I wouldn't put it past a Russian to be that creative or intelligent in their hacking but their persistence will pay off at the end of the day... Actually by underestimating the intelligence of the Russian, as oppose to their persistence and opportunism, may be the West's undoing...

Anyways the summary of APT28 on that very link from Fire Eye you gave:
https://www.fireeye.com/content/dam/legacy/blog/2014/10/Table-for-APT28.jpg

vonMises
01-10-2017, 10:28 AM
I should also note that I don't see much of a difference between ISIS's own online presence with elements that are behind Donald Trump (and prior Ron Paul) trolling as it is ultimately comes from the Russian government. I called them siblings and it's still on my to do list to show how exactly. But just to give people a heads up here, this very message board is evidence of Russian activity going back a decade to interfere with U.S. elections and there's a good chance that associates of Ron Paul will be investigated and arrested for sedition once a Trump presidency concludes. Some of Ron Paul's associates are already in jail for bribery (was it odd that one of those jailed has a first name of Dimitry?, perhaps just a mere coincidence, but the U.S. is not a country like Russia where people can just be bribed...) but more may be jailed soon enough. Hopefully they can spare Ron Paul himself any intensive investigation and give him a pass much like federal prosecutors did in the bribery case...

GunnyFreedom
01-10-2017, 10:50 AM
Well it's not high level hacking as the video I referenced made note, but Pentagon officials to the DNC are nonetheless falling for simple hacks by the Russians (well more like intermediate level hacks). I wouldn't put it past a Russian to be that creative or intelligent in their hacking but their persistence will pay off at the end of the day... Actually by underestimating the intelligence of the Russian, as oppose to their persistence and opportunism, may be the West's undoing...

Anyways the summary of APT28 on that very link from Fire Eye you gave:
https://www.fireeye.com/content/dam/legacy/blog/2014/10/Table-for-APT28.jpg

This is a joke right? A list including "local copying to defeat closed/air gapped networks" is evidence of a Russian botnet hack? Really? Really?

Do you even know what any of these terms mean, or are you just off on some "Russia is der enemy" jag?

vonMises
01-10-2017, 11:04 AM
This is a joke right? A list including "local copying to defeat closed/air gapped networks" is evidence of a Russian botnet hack? Really? Really?

Do you even know what any of these terms mean, or are you just off on some "Russia is der enemy" jag?

If your level of skepticism was better phrased (dismissing a whole series of consistencies for just one detail, yikes), I'll be more apt to say more (but like I said you're not an intuitive, but hopefully you might still end up having better morals than some intuitives nonetheless), and it looks like it's going to take an exhausting effort on my part to start showing you otherwise when I don't need to do so with others here...

GunnyFreedom
01-10-2017, 11:15 AM
If your level of skepticism was better phrased (dismissing a whole series of consistencies for just one detail, yikes), I'll be more apt to say more (but like I said you're not an intuitive, but hopefully you might still end up having better morals than some intuitives nonetheless), and it looks like it's going to take an exhausting effort on my part to start showing you otherwise when I don't need to do so with others here...

Your proclamations about my personality are not only irrelevant, they are also inaccurate. This is part of why I know you are just full of shit. :)

enhanced_deficit
01-10-2017, 11:18 AM
And which was later to be found to have had APT 28, or Russian electronic signatures, the same signatures in the hacking of the DNC, Colin Powell, an Ukrainian electrical plant, etc. ...

Not necessarily saying that this is a completely fallacious argument but using similar logic one could falsely argue that in the 80s Russia was supporting the very Islamic Jihadis fighting against Russians in Afghanistan because many of the weapons used by Afghan Jihadis groups (and their foriegn arab allies like Osama's jihadi militants) had Russian signatures on them. In reality, US was supplying weapons with Russian signatures to violent Islamic militants and foreign fighters there by procuring such Russian signature weapons from old Russian allies like Israel.
Not saying everything claimed a false flag is false flag but neither is everything as it appears or is made to appear.

GunnyFreedom
01-10-2017, 11:27 AM
Since the guy claiming Mises's name has attempted over several posts to make my Myers-Biggs personality an issue, I will reveal that 80% of the times I test I get INTJ, and 20% of the time I get ENTJ. Thinking is always my strongest between 85 and 90%, and iNtuition is always second between 75 and 80%. Judging is typically around 60, 65%, and Introversion/Extroversion always hovers right around the cusp. Of course if his mindless insistence that a lack of evidence points to Russia were not enough, then his bizarre claims that I cannot possibly be the Myers-Briggs personality that I have basically tested at for like 40 years (when nobody was even bringing up M-B in the first place lol) has certainly sealed the deal for me.

This guy is just making it up as he goes. I have no idea what his motivations are except to say that he clearly hates Russia enough to just make stuff up and pretend that that stuff is evidence that they are attacking us. I have no idea why he picked the name "vonMises" but from his behavior in this thread he appears to be a complete charlatan.

vonMises
01-10-2017, 11:31 AM
Your proclamations about my personality are not only irrelevant, they are also inaccurate. This is part of why I know you are just full of $#@!. :)

I'm not trying to offend. A lot of the sensor/intuitive divide has to do with issues of communication and understanding. Intuitives do not require reason or the use of the five senses to accept ideas. Sensors on the other hand need things to be spelled out and shown (or could even be more susceptible to the kinds of juxtapositions propagandists make). Correct me if I'm wrong if you're not the latter? I would simply like to predict things than go down to the basics and spell things out with some people here...

GunnyFreedom
01-10-2017, 11:43 AM
I'm not trying to offend.

And yet you start throwing personal aspersions around in this thread the instant someone fails to fall slavering to their knees and accept your word as the word of god. Have you considered the possibility that the perception problem here does not lie with "everyone else" but just with you?


A lot of the sensor/intuitive divide has to do with issues of communication and understanding. Intuitives do not require reason

And yet Thinkers, the T part of INTJ, do. If you are trying to argue that an INTJ requiring evidence - falling under T - means they are not an N, then you do not even know enough about how Myers-Briggs even works in the first place to go around trying to lecture people.


or the use of the five senses to accept ideas. Sensors on the other hand need things to be spelled out and shown (or could even be more susceptible to the kinds of juxtapositions propagandists make). Correct me if I'm wrong if you're not the latter? I would simply like to predict things than go down to the basics and spell things out with some people here...

Why should I bother? I have intuited you as someone who mindlessly hates Russia and will twist the evidence around yourself in order to justify your predetermined conclusions, and then bray about how everyone else who doesn't agree with you is inferior or unpatriotic.

Your argument is implausible at best, and you have up to now demonstrated a complete lack of any desire whatsoever to attend to reason, and instead a complete desire to just sit here and shill for your fixed position.

When nobody buys your spinning bullshit, suddenly we aren't patriots, we are duped, we are dumb, we are sheep, and we have lesser personalities.

I recognize what you are doing, and the anti-reason practices you are using are so objectionable that even if you were right (which you are not) I would tell you to get stuffed.

vonMises
01-10-2017, 11:45 AM
Since the guy claiming Mises's name has attempted over several posts to make my Myers-Biggs personality an issue, I will reveal that 80% of the times I test I get INTJ, and 20% of the time I get ENTJ. Thinking is always my strongest between 85 and 90%, and iNtuition is always second between 75 and 80%. Judging is typically around 60, 65%, and Introversion/Extroversion always hovers right around the cusp. Of course if his mindless insistence that a lack of evidence points to Russia were not enough, then his bizarre claims that I cannot possibly be the Myers-Briggs personality that I have basically tested at for like 40 years (when nobody was even bringing up M-B in the first place lol) has certainly sealed the deal for me.

This guy is just making it up as he goes. I have no idea what his motivations are except to say that he clearly hates Russia enough to just make stuff up and pretend that that stuff is evidence that they are attacking us. I have no idea why he picked the name "vonMises" but from his behavior in this thread he appears to be a complete charlatan.

I think certain information of mine came out correct though... I like Ludwig von Mises, but I don't like the individuals running the Ludwig von Mises Institute (I have a feeling some of those individuals will be investigated, if not arrested post a Trump presidency), but if my screen name can be changed, I simply haven't bothered to changed it at all, but may like to. If you have suggestion for a name, give it a try.

As it comes to you, the only thing I made an issue is whether you are a sensor or intuitive, nothing more. Though I like reading a lot into things when it's necessary, I don't think it's necessary to read much into this to the point you call me a charlatan. If you're an intuitive that would mean I can communicate with you differently. I see it as an issue of being on the same wavelength and not taking a test for the 40 some years you have, and this is something I could sense almost immediately in people. And as it seems to me you are quite oblivious to the Russian activity here and realizing that it has been done for close to a decade now (and if you can't be wind to this, you can't be that much wind to the findings of Fire Eye)...thus I put you in the sensor category (but like I said I'm not denying you can be moral as well, though you've instantly brushed me off as immoral).

GunnyFreedom
01-10-2017, 11:49 AM
I think certain information of mine came out correct though... I like Ludwig von Mises, but I don't like the individuals running the Ludwig von Mises Institute (I have a feeling some of those individuals will be investigated, if not arrested post a Trump presidency), but if my screen name can be changed, I simply haven't bothered to changed it at all, but may like to. If you have suggestion for a name, give it a try.

As it comes to you, the only thing I made an issue is whether you are a sensor or intuitive, nothing more. Though I like reading a lot into things when it's necessary, I don't think it's necessary to read much into this to the point you call me a charlatan. If you're an intuitive that would mean I can communicate with you differently. I see it as an issue of being on the same wavelength and not taking a test for the 40 some years you have, and this is something I could sense almost immediately in people. And as it seems to me you are quite oblivious to the Russian activity here and realizing that it has been done for close to a decade now (and if you can't be wind to this, you can't be that much wind to the findings of Fire Eye)...thus I put you in the sensor category (but like I said I'm not denying you can be moral as well, though you've instantly brushed me off as immoral).

I have not considered you immoral, I consider you irrelevant. When you claim facts that are obviously imaginary, this tells me that your brain doesn't work properly. Therefore nothing you could possibly say to me will have any meaning, because your brain does not function properly. Either that or you are a pathological liar, but I am frankly giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming instead that your are insane.

timosman
01-10-2017, 11:52 AM
I should also note that I don't see much of a difference between ISIS's own online presence with elements that are behind Donald Trump (and prior Ron Paul) trolling as it is ultimately comes from the Russian government. I called them siblings and it's still on my to do list to show how exactly. But just to give people a heads up here, this very message board is evidence of Russian activity going back a decade to interfere with U.S. elections and there's a good chance that associates of Ron Paul will be investigated and arrested for sedition once a Trump presidency concludes. Some of Ron Paul's associates are already in jail for bribery (was it odd that one of those jailed has a first name of Dimitry?, perhaps just a mere coincidence, but the U.S. is not a country like Russia where people can just be bribed...) but more may be jailed soon enough. Hopefully they can spare Ron Paul himself any intensive investigation and give him a pass much like federal prosecutors did in the bribery case...

Do you realize what you are saying?:confused:

GunnyFreedom
01-10-2017, 11:56 AM
Do you realize what you are saying?:confused:

Yeah, he's basically calling the Ron Paul movement "russian agents" lmao :D It's one of the things that contributed to my iNtuition on this guy lol. Dude is totally bat-shirt man.

vonMises
01-10-2017, 12:20 PM
I have not considered you immoral, I consider you irrelevant. When you claim facts that are obviously imaginary, this tells me that your brain doesn't work properly. Therefore nothing you could possibly say to me will have any meaning, because your brain does not function properly. Either that or you are a pathological liar, but I am frankly giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming instead that your are insane.

Well the implication of being called a charlatan is to presume one is immoral, and to suggest one can also be a pathological liar is to also presume immorality, but you presume insanity for the most part instead than my actual immorality. I'm not exactly sure to be thankful for that, but oh well. I guess I deserved such thinking when I called you a sensor... But my calling you a sensor still stands by your very own posts here, but you should also know that many others here are sensors as well even if they think otherwise. I could sense the other intuitives here, even among the Russians here, but I don't think you are one of us. Still, I will actually give you the benefit of the doubt in what you say generally, even if you'll deny me that in your mind, but I just needed to clarify the whole sensor/intuitive thing and know where to start with people.

On speaking of insane things, I'll give you what amounts to as a secret of the universe, or something worth in magnitude of 500 trillion dollars (or whatever) that could prevent nuclear war, but obvious to people before the 20th Century, in that the human face does not differ from males and females. I bring this up as it's one of the things I want Trump to bring up eventually through my use of Russian trolls and as this concerns one of the primarily motivations for the Russians doing what they do now, that being their fertility rate and inability to have stable families. You accuse me of hating the Russians, but I'm going to give them the very thing that will perpetuate themselves as a race. Slavs have reported erectile dysfunction across the board, upwards of 90%. They have to objectify and disrespect women in order to have sex with them, but once I communicate that Slavs, like most people, possess an aversion to titanium dioxide/zinc oxide/nano-titanium dioxide it could be one of the things that prevent nuclear war, of all things... If you can understand the implications of this then I don't need to see you as a "sensor" and you have to excuse me for ever having thought you were one...

vonMises
01-10-2017, 12:22 PM
Yeah, he's basically calling the Ron Paul movement "russian agents" lmao :D It's one of the things that contributed to my iNtuition on this guy lol. Dude is totally bat-shirt man.

I have a tendency to get these negative reps but I'll find a way to communicate with people here properly and beyond Russian troll activity...

vonMises
01-10-2017, 12:54 PM
Do you realize what you are saying?:confused:

Yes, and I suspect that's how things will pan out if I think the American intelligence community is worth a damn, but if it doesn't look like they're going to do anything about them, than it might be up to a person like me to help them along... I think it's given that anyone looking into Daniel McAdams, for example, will see him as an agent of the Russian government and can be arrested for sedition once a Trump presidency is over. And it looks like private companies and individuals have been better at ascertaining information than our own CIA, so I feel confident stating things before our own government gets wind to things. And with the whole titanium dioxide thing I just mentioned, by making this known now, is so to give people here a heads up on what will make the news because I will try to make it so. I will temporarily ruin the psyche of billions of so-called straight men but will do it in order to save the world. I know Russian online trolls exist, as you could be one yourself...and they can be used to save the world, haha. I have a soft spot for Russian spies/agents/operatives that are decent people, and can be partners to shared goals like isolating a reason for Slavic broken families and lack of Slavic repoduction, but since so many have horrible personalities, it will be easy to arrest them.

opal
01-10-2017, 01:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnNBbm1YQyg

vonMises
01-10-2017, 03:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnNBbm1YQyg

He's what Lenin would call a "useful idiot", just look at some of his other videos besides this one. We are dealing with the negative consequences of the collapse of the former Soviet Union. What do you expect happens when a major country like the Soviet Union collapses? At least much of the Russian propaganda at the end of the day can communicate the idea, that at some level, the former Soviet Union had been a stabilizing force in the world, if not in the region in which has given birth to ISIS. If we can accept this view about the Soviet Union, then perhaps the Russians will start fessing up any responsibility they have in ISIS. Putin has stated that the worse thing to have happened in the world was the collapse of the Soviet Union, and at some level he may be right.

timosman
01-10-2017, 08:24 PM
He's what Lenin would call a "useful idiot", just look at some of his other videos besides this one. We are dealing with the negative consequences of the collapse of the former Soviet Union. What do you expect happens when a major country like the Soviet Union collapses? At least much of the Russian propaganda at the end of the day can communicate the idea, that at some level, the former Soviet Union had been a stabilizing force in the world, if not in the region in which has given birth to ISIS. If we can accept this view about the Soviet Union, then perhaps the Russians will start fessing up any responsibility they have in ISIS. Putin has stated that the worse thing to have happened in the world was the collapse of the Soviet Union, and at some level he may be right.

Is your helmet too tight?

enhanced_deficit
01-29-2017, 11:23 PM
McCain Says Putin Is Greater Threat Than ISIS (https://politicalwire.com/2017/01/17/mccain-says-putin-greater-threat-isis/)
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) told Morning Joe that Russian president Vladimir Putin poses a greater threat to the United States than ISIS.

enhanced_deficit
01-31-2017, 07:25 PM
He's what Lenin would call a "useful idiot"...

What would Lenin say about Obama, Bush, Trump?

AZJoe
01-31-2017, 08:59 PM
McCain Says Putin Is Greater Threat Than ISIS (https://politicalwire.com/2017/01/17/mccain-says-putin-greater-threat-isis/)
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) told Morning Joe that Russian president Vladimir Putin poses a greater threat to the United States than ISIS.

John McCain is the greater threat to the united States.

AZJoe
01-31-2017, 09:04 PM
"If Trump wants to defeat ISIS, all he needs to do is to stop the US government and CIA from funding ISIS. ISIS is Washington’s creation, used to overthrow Libya and sent to Syria to overthrow Assad until the Russians intervened." - PCR

CPUd
01-31-2017, 09:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9Rr3kD75uM

https://i.imgur.com/e5IifN2.png

timosman
01-31-2017, 09:10 PM
https://i.imgur.com/e5IifN2.png

GTFO CPUd. He has not even been working for a month. Getting twitchy? :cool:

nikcers
01-31-2017, 09:25 PM
Isis is just a military wing of the United states, Trump gets to create ISIS this time. Maybe it will be a new name though under Trump, they like to do that.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GloomyEachGalapagospenguin-size_restricted.gif

Contumacious
01-31-2017, 09:59 PM
Who in your view is behind creation of ISIS?

Vote in attached poll.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuceU3x2Ww
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuceU3x2Ww

Will Neocons-Al Qaeda alliance end well? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?427051-Will-Neocons-Al-Qaeda-alliance-end-well&)
Controversial zionist Charles Krauthammer making neocons' case for US alliance with Islamic Jihadist militants:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIRUeJYFZ94





Related

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/poll_posticon.gif Poll: Who poses bigger threat to America: Obama or ISIS ? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?471704-Who-poses-bigger-threat-to-America-Obama-or-ISIS&)



Syria: The Strange US/Israel/Al-Qaeda Ménage à Trois (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?427051-Will-Neocons-Al-Qaeda-alliance-end-well&)

Syrian in Israeli hospital: ‘Most fighters know they will get good care here’ (http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Syrian-in-Israeli-hospital-Most-fighters-know-theywill-get-good-care-here-326110)
By REUTERS
09/15/2013 02:43
IDF mum on how the steady flow of wounded from the Syria civil war enter Israel, looking for treatment.

http://www.jpost.com/HttpHandlers/ShowImage.ashx?id=226464&h=236&w=370


ISIS and Israel to attack Hezbullah in Lebanon (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?459389-ISIS-and-Israel-to-attack-Hezbullah-in-Lebanon&)

No need to panic ; Former CIA deputy station chief discusses ISIS with Iraqi Sunni leaders (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?454707-No-need-to-panic-Former-CIA-deputy-station-chief-discusses-ISIS-with-Iraqi-Sunni-leaders&)

Syrian Civil War Fueling Bloody Resurgence of Al Qaeda in Iraq


(http://matthewaid.tumblr.com/post/58409385761)


https://i2.wp.com/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/08/11/05/article-3734124-371938FB00000578-832_964x499.jpg



(http://matthewaid.tumblr.com/post/58409385761)



According to Sen Gabbard (D-Hawaii ) the evidence shows that Obama and Hillary supplied arms, munitions and money. (http://dcwhispers.com/democrat-congresswoman-declares-to-cnn-it-was-obama-clinton-who-armed-isis/)

The evidence also shows that Israel is cooperating with them. (http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2017/january/31/like-saudi-arabia-israel-has-a-soft-spot-for-sunni-extremism/)

I appears that DJT has succumbed to the swamp ; in order to make peace with the CIA he has agreed to continue interfering in Syria. If that happens his administration will recruit ISIS and AQ. Bad bad news.


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enhanced_deficit
01-31-2017, 11:12 PM
After 8 days of him taking charge, you have seen enough to say Trump will recruit ISIS like Obama?
That is amazing futuristic assessment.

But I still don't think that Trump qualifies for Nobel Peace prize, it's too early.

nikcers
01-31-2017, 11:14 PM
After 8 days of him taking charge, you have seen enough to say Trump will recruit ISIS like Obama?
That is amazing futuristic assessment.

But I still don't think that Trump qualifies for Nobel Peace prize, it's too early. DGP Trump already is in ISIS recruitment videos. His rhetoric will and has already incited Islamic extremists.

Contumacious
01-31-2017, 11:21 PM
After 8 days of him taking charge, you have seen enough to say Trump will recruit ISIS like Obama?
That is amazing futuristic assessment.

But I still don't think that Trump qualifies for Nobel Peace prize, it's too early.



DJT is an Israel Firster.

AQ and ISIS are in Syria doing the CIA's dirty work. (http://dcwhispers.com/democrat-congresswoman-declares-to-cnn-it-was-obama-clinton-who-armed-isis/)

They are trying to remove Assad. Meanwhile they are causing a nightmare for Assad by the CIA blaming Assad for all the atrocities at Aleppo.

If ISIS successfully destroys Syria and removes Assad then

1- Israel gets to keep the Golan Heights
2- Syria is weakened and unable to retaliate when Israel attacks Iran
3- Saudi Arabia has been helping the CIA - they hope to install a SUNNI PM

But the CIA actions will lead to a clash with Russia and WWIII

DJT has been swallowed by the swamp.


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enhanced_deficit
01-31-2017, 11:22 PM
If it ever came to that, would have to be DG Trump or something like that, DJ Donmaster is already coined.

But on the main topic, do you agree with Trump that Obama created ISIS?

timosman
01-31-2017, 11:34 PM
But on the main topic, do you agree with Trump that Obama created ISIS?

There are so many unknowns about this story. For example we are still trying to establish who was the real POTUS during that time.

Contumacious
01-31-2017, 11:38 PM
If it ever came to that, would have to be DG Trump or something like that, DJ Donmaster is already coined.

But on the main topic, do you agree with Trump that Obama created ISIS?

I agree that Obama financed and armed ISIS and AQ because the CIA convinced him that (1) there was an ongoing civil war in Syria and (2) they referred to ISIS and AQ as the "Syrian Resistance". (https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/syrian-oppositions-amazing-cia-credentials/)


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CaptainAmerica
01-31-2017, 11:40 PM
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fTRDxNIm8GM/maxresdefault.jpg

the neo-nazi winter soldier who loves to have vacation in Syria and Ukraine with his buddies that start wars

timosman
01-31-2017, 11:42 PM
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fTRDxNIm8GM/maxresdefault.jpg

Not so secret turns out. Maybe we are being played? McCain is negotiating with the enemy conditions of our surrender?:eek:

Contumacious
01-31-2017, 11:43 PM
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fTRDxNIm8GM/maxresdefault.jpg

the neo-nazi winter soldier who loves to have vacation in Syria and Ukraine with his buddies that start wars

Yep, the CIA loves McCAin and his bitch Lindsey Graham.


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timosman
01-31-2017, 11:44 PM
How can anyone think you can be on the winning side with these people?:confused:

GunnyFreedom
01-31-2017, 11:44 PM
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fTRDxNIm8GM/maxresdefault.jpg

the neo-nazi winter soldier who loves to have vacation in Syria and Ukraine with his buddies that start wars

I don't think I would call McCain a winter soldier. Winter soldiers were the good guys and summer soldiers were the bad guys.

CaptainAmerica
01-31-2017, 11:49 PM
https://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Boston/2011-2020/2013/12/16/BostonGlobe.com/Foreign/Images/2013-12-15T133257Z_1518145049_LR1E9CF11MM0Y_RTRMADP_3_UKRA INE.jpg
John Mccain is stirring war up in Ukraine again...........hes 80 years old, amazing isnt it what some shit heads do with the last years of life they have.

timosman
01-31-2017, 11:52 PM
https://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Boston/2011-2020/2013/12/16/BostonGlobe.com/Foreign/Images/2013-12-15T133257Z_1518145049_LR1E9CF11MM0Y_RTRMADP_3_UKRA INE.jpg
John Mccain is stirring war up in Ukraine again...........hes 80 years old, amazing isnt it what some shit heads do with the last years of life they have.

I am sure there would be plenty of girls who would give it to McCain to prevent the war. How about starting a campaign? We can ask the gay community to do the same for Lindsey.

Contumacious
01-31-2017, 11:53 PM
https://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Boston/2011-2020/2013/12/16/BostonGlobe.com/Foreign/Images/2013-12-15T133257Z_1518145049_LR1E9CF11MM0Y_RTRMADP_3_UKRA INE.jpg
John Mccain is stirring war up in Ukraine again...........hes 80 years old, amazing isnt it what some $#@! heads do with the last years of life they have.



McCain a warmonger, neocrazy & Likudnick relishes a confrontation with Russia using Syria or Ukraine as a pretext.


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timosman
01-31-2017, 11:54 PM
McCain a warmonger, neocrazy & Likudnick relishes a confrontation with Russia using Syria or Ukraine as a pretext.


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We have to do it. Without it we will have to surrender!:eek:

nikcers
02-01-2017, 12:32 AM
We have to do it. Without it we will have to surrender!:eek: Wasn't it in one of Trumps books never start a fight always finish it? Hit back 10x harder?

AZJoe
02-01-2017, 07:57 AM
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fTRDxNIm8GM/maxresdefault.jpg

the neo-nazi winter soldier who loves to have vacation in Syria and Ukraine with his buddies that start wars

https://i.imgflip.com/1ir9f8.jpg

Chomp
02-01-2017, 10:05 AM
George Bastard Soros is the main figure there.

opal
02-01-2017, 11:01 AM
George Bastard Soros is the main figure there.
ty.. I kept trying to remember his middle name - sounds right to me

shakey1
02-01-2017, 03:32 PM
I thought it all started when we were arming Al Qaeda during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

https://euromaidanpr.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/dust-9.jpg