Popular Liberty (Daily Paul) Is shutting down.....again

[Neomatrix]

http://popularliberty.com/12902/so-long :eek:

[DevilsAdvocate]

Are we going to get many refugees?

[Neomatrix]

Prolly

[Indy Vidual]

He should have sold it, instead of destroying the site.

[CaptUSA]

Are we going to get many refugees?

How do we properly vet these refugees?

I say, "Let's ban all new internet posters until we figure out what the hell is going on!"

[Neomatrix]

He should have sold it, instead of destroying the site.

I agree. Or just let one of the other members take it over. Zak Carter has even offered to take it and plug it into the Truthinmedia website.........http://popularliberty.com/12918/all-things-must-pass-how-about-new-chapter

[Mad Raven]

It's weird he doesn't want to sell it. For a lot of people the whole point of building something up is to create value and sell it. Otherwise it's like digging up gold and then vaporizing it. Even if for him it's a money pit, a better marketer would be able to make lots of money with that kind of traffic. With the DP I can understand not wanting his baby to be ruined by someone else, but PL is still brand new and whatever happens won't tarnish the legacy of the DP.

[William R]

Too bad!!

[NewRightLibertarian]

Sounds like the guy running it is a real drama queen. Haven't visited the site in years. Good riddance.

[Unknownuser]

How do we properly vet these refugees?

I say, "Let's ban all new internet posters until we figure out what the hell is going on!"

We should build a wall! A beautiful wall!

[Unknownuser]

How do we properly vet these refugees?

I say, "Let's ban all new internet posters until we figure out what the hell is going on!"


Carter did it...so can we!

[Origanalist]

We should build a wall! A beautiful wall!

The best wall! And make the neo-cons pay for it.

[RJB]

No wall. Invite as many Trump and Sanders supporters for diversity. Hopefully they will outnumber us someday. There is too much libertarianism here that needs to be assimilated into mainstream.

[DevilsAdvocate]

Sounds like the guy running it is a real drama queen. Haven't visited the site in years. Good riddance.

He turned the place into his own mini dictatorship. But "he can do whatever he wants because he owns the site", must have heard that a million times. Real libertarian

[angelatc]

Bye.

[Mad Raven]

He turned the place into his own mini dictatorship. But "he can do whatever he wants because he owns the site", must have heard that a million times. Real libertarian

I guess we could go with the socialist model, where if a person creates something of value then it is no longer his and belongs to the public. We own his site because we exist!

[NewRightLibertarian]

I guess we could go with the socialist model, where if a person creates something of value then it is no longer his and belongs to the public. We own his site because we exist!

He has the freedom to be a dick, but that doesn't mean we should celebrate it.

[Cabal]

He turned the place into his own mini dictatorship. But "he can do whatever he wants because he owns the site", must have heard that a million times. Real libertarian

What, exactly, are you arguing here? That he shouldn't be able to do what he wants with the site he owns?

[Mad Raven]

He has the freedom to be a dick, but that doesn't mean we should celebrate it.

No I agree, libertarians can be total dicks. From what I've seen I don't think he is, because I understand what he has to deal with, but I can understand people feeling that way about him.

[SilentBull]

Haven't cared for the DailyPaul since 2008.

[angelatc]

What, exactly, are you arguing here? That he shouldn't be able to do what he wants with the site he owns?

He is in a no-win situation. Selling the user data would not win him any friends either, i suspect.

[Brian4Liberty]

He is in a no-win situation. Selling the user data would not win him any friends either, i suspect.

Good point. The NSA could take it over and keep it running.

[rg17]

Popular Liberty is full of Trump Supporters.

[ZakCarter]

He should have sold it, instead of destroying the site.

I can't agree with you more! I actually tried to buy it from him and plug it into a forum that we're launching at truthinmedia.com, and he turned me down - his loss!

[r3volution 3.0]

He should have sold it, instead of destroying the site.

Yup

I think he basically destroyed it out of spite, because the community was moving in a direction he didn't like (i.e. towards Rand).

He's essentially an anti-politics, perma-contrarian, lifestyle libertarian type.

...of which there were many in the Ron Paul movement, who've subsequently abandoned Rand.

[DevilsAdvocate]

I can't agree with you more! I actually tried to buy it from him and plug it into a forum that we're launching at truthinmedia.com, and he turned me down - his loss!

Did he say why?

[r3volution 3.0]

Did he say why?

I don't know about Zak's case, but over the years (prior to DP becoming PL) a number of offers were made to buy/take-over the site by long time members that Nystrom ostensibly respected. These were always rejected, with little or no explanation ("it's time to move on..."). It became pretty clear that the issue wasn't just that he wanted out personally, but that he didn't want the site to exist, period.

[LibertyEagle]

I can't agree with you more! I actually tried to buy it from him and plug it into a forum that we're launching at truthinmedia.com, and he turned me down - his loss!

Wasn't it you who was paid to pimp those horrid fliers?

[LibertyEagle]

I don't know about Zak's case, but over the years (prior to DP becoming PL) a number of offers were made to buy/take-over the site by long time members that Nystrom ostensibly respected. These were always rejected, with little or no explanation ("it's time to move on..."). It became pretty clear that the issue wasn't just that he wanted out personally, but that he didn't want the site to exist, period.

He seemed pretty clear to me. He didn't like what it had become and wanted to end it. To sell it to someone would continue what he was wanting to stop.

[r3volution 3.0]

He seemed pretty clear to me. He didn't like what it had become and wanted to end it. To sell it to someone would continue what he was wanting to stop.

Yes, I agree, as I said in my first post:


I think he basically destroyed it out of spite, because the community was moving in a direction he didn't like (i.e. towards Rand).

He's essentially an anti-politics, perma-contrarian, lifestyle libertarian type.

...of which there were many in the Ron Paul movement, who've subsequently abandoned Rand.

[NewRightLibertarian]

Yup

I think he basically destroyed it out of spite, because the community was moving in a direction he didn't like (i.e. towards Rand).

He's essentially an anti-politics, perma-contrarian, lifestyle libertarian type.

...of which there were many in the Ron Paul movement, who've subsequently abandoned Rand.

I always got the feeling that he was a bleeding heart lefty type personally.

[r3volution 3.0]

I always got the feeling that he was a bleeding heart lefty type personally.

Definitely (as the anti-politics lifestylers typically are).

[LibertyEagle]

Yes, I agree, as I said in my first post:

I actually thought Nystrom was a lefty. In fact, pretty sure he was.

[NewRightLibertarian]

Definitely (as the anti-politics lifestylers typically are).

Yeah, I get a hippie-ish vibe from those people that I don't like one bit.

[William Tell]

Wasn't it you who was paid to pimp those horrid fliers?

Don't think so, first time I've heard that.

[fcreature]

Honestly, it's probably about time. I stopped visiting a year ago after getting sick of the overly poetic, introspective "coming to an end" posts by Nystrom. Also got tired of the routine fundraisers claiming the site was going to go down or else. Not sure what the deal was there.

It's a shame he didn't sell the website 2 years ago, as he clearly stopped caring then. I can tell you that the website was not properly monetized and someone would have seen that and happily purchased it. Seems like he's had a fair amount of offers over the years anyway. I always got the vibe that rather than a side project or a hobby, he wanted that to be his full time job but it didn't make the money he wanted.

Oh well. Hopefully the content remains online at least.

[ZakCarter]

Wasn't it you who was paid to pimp those horrid fliers?

Yep, I've learned a lot of lessons the hard way over the years! :p I'll stick to "pimping" Ben Swann and quality liberty media from here on out! ;)

[fr33]

Wasn't it you who was paid to pimp those horrid fliers?

You're still pimping Benton and the 500 grand he made off us. Still waiting for you to post evidence of those campaign expense reimbursements that you claim exist.

[tio rio]

xx

[ZakCarter]

And for the record I also...

1. I got kicked out of the Army for the way I chose to support Ron Paul in 2007/2008
2. Worked as Robin "Mr. Blue Republican" Koerner's promoter in 2011
3. Had an absolute disaster of a "Rock the r3volution Tour" in 2011 as well
4. Helped organize the "Ron Paul is the Choice of the Troops" march on the White House in 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b23MUAGibXM
5. Got hired (and fired!) by PaulFest (I smelled a disaster coming ala that tour I had and tried to warn them, they didn't like hearing it)
6. Co-produced a "3rd party" presidential debate that Larry King moderated while working as Free & Equals communications director in the Fall of 2012, Jimmy Kimmel made fun of us!:)
7. Had another disaster in early 2013 working as business development manager for the failed "JAGTV" libertarian television network that a SVP of the Dole Fruit Company was trying to launch
8. Help launch this - http://truthinmedia.com/about/ - the biggest success yet, and one that looks like it's going to be around for a very long time!!

I liberty full time forever! :)

[Matt Collins]

Sounds like the guy running it is a real drama queen. Haven't visited the site in years. Good riddance.
Yeah the guy is psycho, definitely some screws loose upstairs.

[RFTBunny]

I've been a member at DP for 8 years and 2 months and it was a great site, but this on and off thing is getting quite annoying so I find myself here. Will you accept me as a refugee? lol

Also ... it appears I made an account here back in 2007 that was forgotten about. That doesn't necessarily bolster my credentials here :D

[francisco]

Are we going to get many refugees?

They need to be carefully vetted first.

[William Tell]

I've been a member at DP for 8 years and 2 months and it was a great site, but this on and off thing is getting quite annoying so I find myself here. Will you accept me as a refugee? lol

Also ... it appears I made an account here back in 2007 that was forgotten about. That doesn't necessarily bolster my credentials here :D

lol funny profile pic.:p

[r3volution 3.0]

I've been a member at DP for 8 years and 2 months and it was a great site, but this on and off thing is getting quite annoying so I find myself here. Will you accept me as a refugee? lol

Also ... it appears I made an account here back in 2007 that was forgotten about. That doesn't necessarily bolster my credentials here :D

Yes, but no welfare, gotta pull yourself up by your own bootstraps!

....seriously, though, try to spread the word that this is a nice place, and we'll be most welcoming of any libertarian refugees.

I'd know, I was myself a DP refugee: I migrated here a few months before DP became PL.

[angelatc]

5. Got hired (and fired!) by PaulFest (I smelled a disaster coming ala that tour I had and tried to warn them, they didn't like hearing it)

Yeah, that's a bit of a reach. More like, you tried to start an alternative festival on the same weekend when you didn't get your way at Paulfest.


But you always do consider yourself the smartest guy in the room, i'll give you that. And hey, you're making a really really good living off the liberty people, so can't fault you there.

Although....it seems like the only time you ever bothered to contribute to the discussions and conversations were when you smelled a buck.

But that's just my opinion.

[NewRightLibertarian]

And for the record I also...

1. I got kicked out of the Army for the way I chose to support Ron Paul in 2007/2008
2. Worked as Robin "Mr. Blue Republican" Koerner's promoter in 2011
3. Had an absolute disaster of a "Rock the r3volution Tour" in 2011 as well
4. Helped organize the "Ron Paul is the Choice of the Troops" march on the White House in 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b23MUAGibXM
5. Got hired (and fired!) by PaulFest (I smelled a disaster coming ala that tour I had and tried to warn them, they didn't like hearing it)
6. Co-produced a "3rd party" presidential debate that Larry King moderated while working as Free & Equals communications director in the Fall of 2012, Jimmy Kimmel made fun of us!:)
7. Had another disaster in early 2013 working as business development manager for the failed "JAGTV" libertarian television network that a SVP of the Dole Fruit Company was trying to launch
8. Help launch this - http://truthinmedia.com/about/ - the biggest success yet, and one that looks like it's going to be around for a very long time!!

I liberty full time forever! :)

If first you don't succeed, try try again! :)

Great job with all the work you have done.

[ChristianAnarchist]

Sounds like the guy running it is a real drama queen. Haven't visited the site in years. Good riddance. I have to say I agree with your first part. I'm not glad to see it go because I've invested alot of my time in posting and carrying on topics only to have Michael trash them (now twice)! I've asked for a way to be able to extract the conversations I've been involved with (could almost make a book out of them) and many others have agreed with me. No deal. I've asked if anyone knows of a way to capture my own posts with a site capture program like HTT copier but I've never found a way to crawl down the right webs to get them. When he shut down the DP I posted how I support him because it's "his" property and how he certainly has the right to do so. This time I'm angry because he really has no excuse this time. Last time he wanted to "cut" the Paul connection mainly because he does not seem to support Rand and didn't want his site to be connected in that manner to someone he doesn't really support. Although I think he was cutting off his nose to spite his face, I gave him my support. This time I'm thinking that he has some issues that he really needs to address for his own good. It's illogical and destructive behaviour and he should just hand the site to someone else.

[RandPaul4Prez]

Daily Paul / Pop Liberty would be better it it also had a forum.

[oyarde]

I've been a member at DP for 8 years and 2 months and it was a great site, but this on and off thing is getting quite annoying so I find myself here. Will you accept me as a refugee? lol

Also ... it appears I made an account here back in 2007 that was forgotten about. That doesn't necessarily bolster my credentials here :D
Greetings .

[Matt Collins]

he has some issues that he really needs to address for his own good. It's illogical and destructive behaviourYep, I had to deal with this clown in 2012 and it was painful.

[ZakCarter]

Yeah, that's a bit of a reach. More like, you tried to start an alternative festival on the same weekend when you didn't get your way at Paulfest.


But you always do consider yourself the smartest guy in the room, i'll give you that. And hey, you're making a really really good living off the liberty people, so can't fault you there.

Although....it seems like the only time you ever bothered to contribute to the discussions and conversations were when you smelled a buck.

But that's just my opinion.


That you think this about me tells me you really don't know me.

1. Getting kicked out of the Army for supporting Ron Paul cost me the loss of an easy paycheck
2. I worked as volunteer promoting Robin "Mr. Blue Republican" Koerner, he didn't pay me
3. The "Rock the r3volution Tour" was primarily paid for out of my own pocket, we received small donations but they never covered more than gas
4. I helped Adam Kokesh with the "Ron Paul is the Choice of the Troops" march again, as a volunteer
5. The "PaulFest alternative" concert was started and organized by a Keri-Anne Slater after PaulFest fired me and she and others walked away from PaulFest, she tried to attach my name to her event but I really wasn't interested in festivals at all at that point - and I never received a penny from PaulFest. Get my way? All I wanted was for the event to be a success rather than the disaster it was.
6. Again, I worked as a volunteer for Free and Equal and never received a salary
7. ditto for JAG TV, I worked as a volunteer
8. With - http://truthinmedia.com/about/ - I worked the first 6 months for completely free and for the past two years I've only drawn enough to cover basic business expenses. And you think I think I'm the smartest guy in the room? Hardly, I even refer to myself as "Forrest Gump" - and I have been helping to build a team of people much smarter than myself around Ben Swann.

I liberty full time forever because I can, not for the money. And I'm offended that you think I do. I don't "do liberty" for a paycheck, (Curt Schultz of the Ron Paul "Super Brochure" paid me all of $500, but again, that primarily covered my own expenses) I come from a family of entrepreneurs, and I couldn't do what I do without their guidance and support, and the financial decisions I made in my 20's and 30's.

And thank you Sgt150!

[BillRow]

Hello everyone. I am a Popular Liberty refugee of 4 years.

[BillRow]

Hello RTF Bunny. We had a great thing going while it lasted. I too am a fellow refugee, and also found an old account here as well. I look forward to see where our comrades land.

[BillRow]

I have to say I agree with your first part. I'm not glad to see it go because I've invested alot of my time in posting and carrying on topics only to have Michael trash them (now twice)! I've asked for a way to be able to extract the conversations I've been involved with (could almost make a book out of them) and many others have agreed with me. No deal. I've asked if anyone knows of a way to capture my own posts with a site capture program like HTT copier but I've never found a way to crawl down the right webs to get them. When he shut down the DP I posted how I support him because it's "his" property and how he certainly has the right to do so. This time I'm angry because he really has no excuse this time. Last time he wanted to "cut" the Paul connection mainly because he does not seem to support Rand and didn't want his site to be connected in that manner to someone he doesn't really support. Although I think he was cutting off his nose to spite his face, I gave him my support. This time I'm thinking that he has some issues that he really needs to address for his own good. It's illogical and destructive behaviour and he should just hand the site to someone else.

I agree, the last few days were surreal. For 4 years the site was like home for me. The news presented and commentary posted was amazing. The vast library of content was probably one of the the greatest collections of free thinking, liberty library ever collected.

Shutting down the site was illogical and destructive. It's comparable to book burning. I actually feel good about being banned for questioning the decision shut it down.

[DevilsAdvocate]

I agree, the last few days were surreal. For 4 years the site was like home for me. The news presented and commentary posted was amazing. The vast library of content was probably one of the the greatest collections of free thinking, liberty library ever collected.

Shutting down the site was illogical and destructive. It's comparable to book burning. I actually feel good about being banned for questioning the decision shut it down.

You got banned for that? I got banned for questioning the Superbrochure back in 2011. The guy was a whacko who ran the site like a dictatorship.

[Danke]

Hello RTF Bunny. We had a great thing going while it lasted. I too am a fellow refugee, and also found an old account here as well. I look forward to see where our comrades land.

Does RPF vet refugees?

[angelatc]

Does RPF vet refugees?

They might be terrooooorists!!!!!

[Mani]

They might be terrooooorists!!!!!



If they've been banned from one site, maybe that's a red flag. How about we keep them in a camp in one of the unpopular forums and watch their progress until we can check if they are OK are not. Can we put an asterisk next to their name so we can identify the refugees?

Just to be safe...


It's for the children...

To protect 'Murica and freedom...

[RandPaul4Prez]

I just checked Popular Liberty and Dailypaul.

They are both down (gone)

Michael Nystrom is a total asshole.

Good Riddance

[Matt Collins]

Michael Nystrom is a total asshole.
I almost feel bad for him, the guy has some screws loose for sure :(

[RFTBunny]

Thanks for making me feel welcome guys. I promise I'm not a douchebucket

[Origanalist]

Thanks for making me feel welcome guys. I promise I'm not a douchebucket

I like your avatar.

[wowabunga]

And for the record I also...

1. I got kicked out of the Army for the way I chose to support Ron Paul in 2007/2008
3. Had an absolute disaster of a "Rock the r3volution Tour" in 2011 as well
5. Got hired (and fired!) by PaulFest (I smelled a disaster coming ala that tour I had and tried to warn them, they didn't like hearing it)
6. Co-produced a "3rd party" presidential debate that Larry King moderated while working as Free & Equals communications director in the Fall of 2012, Jimmy Kimmel made fun of us!:)
7. Had another disaster in early 2013 working as business development manager for the failed "JAGTV" libertarian television network that a SVP of the Dole Fruit Company was trying to launch
8. Help launch this - http://truthinmedia.com/about/ - the biggest success yet, and one that looks like it's going to be around for a very long time!!


Upvote if Number 4 Below Resonates.......

http://wowabunga.com/memes/10Truths.jpg

[GunnyFreedom]

He should have sold it, instead of destroying the site.

Some Ron Paulers hatred towards Rand Paul knows no bounds. :(

[GunnyFreedom]

Does RPF vet refugees?

As long as they pinkie-swear they aren't Muslims then we can freely let them in and give them all the welfare they can spend.

[ChristianAnarchist]

As long as they pinkie-swear they aren't Muslims then we can freely let them in and give them all the welfare they can spend.

Oh I know! Invite them over for a nice pork-chop dinner!

[libertyladylv]

yes, its down for good. I'm a refugee

[Suzanimal]

yes, its down for good. I'm a refugee

Have you been tested?

[BillRow]

Such a shame to see such an amazing platform for liberty minded, news, debate, insight, and intelligent discussion disappear because the owner wanted a change with total disregard for everyone else.

I already miss the news aggregation, and insightful commentary. IMHO, MN has set the Liberty Movement back 10 years by destroying the DP/PL platform. Scattering newborn liberty followers to to the wind is equivalent to child abuse.

There is only a limited number of seasoned liberty minded adults, and even less tech minded liberty supporters with and abundance of free time. To expect them to, create, launch, promote and maintain a new platform with a moments notice is mischievous IMHO..

[Danke]

Have you been tested?

Have you?

[Suzanimal]

Have you?

Yes. Have you?

[The Rebel Poet]

Oh I know! Invite them over for a nice pork-chop dinner!
What about Jews and old-school Christians? Better idea is to have them send in a hand-drawn picture of muhammed before their account can be activated.