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AngryCanadian
12-06-2015, 12:26 AM
Another Gun Related NONE ISIS related. (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/7-year-old-girl-killed-at-mi-soccer-practice-after-paranoid-man-with-concealed-carry-license-opens-fire/)


Emma Nowling and her mother, Sharon Watson, were shot after the little girl’s soccer practice session at the Taylor Sportsplex in Michigan. Watson is listed in serious but stable condition, while Nowling died Thursday night after suffering head injuries, MLive.com reports. Authorities describe the suspect, Timothy Nelson Obeshaw, as a family friend who had a concealed carry permit and a legally-purchased gun.


Daughter was killed mother got injured. He was a law abiding citzen till he was starting to hear crazy thoughts that he was getting mind controlled. Either way there has to be some form of gun laws adding more fuel wont stop such tragedies.

Kotin
12-06-2015, 12:33 AM
Another Gun Related NONE ISIS related. (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/7-year-old-girl-killed-at-mi-soccer-practice-after-paranoid-man-with-concealed-carry-license-opens-fire/)

Daughter was killed mother got injured. He was a law abiding citzen till he was starting to hear crazy thoughts that he was getting mind controlled. Either way there has to be some form of gun laws adding more fuel wont stop such tragedies.


Everything can be used as a weapon.. Go ban everything if you subscribe to this bullshit

Petar
12-06-2015, 12:36 AM
"Angry Canadian" is once again proving how "non-Communist" he or she is...

AngryCanadian
12-06-2015, 12:45 AM
"Angry Canadian" is once again proving how "non-Communist" he or she is...

By your logic that girl and mother should have being armed. :rolleyes:

AngryCanadian
12-06-2015, 12:47 AM
Everything can be used as a weapon.. Go ban everything if you subscribe to this bullshit

Can you name a few stories or articles from Japan or Europe going into a Frenzy with a Sword killing a few people?

Petar
12-06-2015, 12:50 AM
By your logic that girl and mother should have being armed. :rolleyes:

Shit happens. A few crazy people will always do some terrible things. He could have just as easily ran them over with a car. Giving up your freedom will do nothing but make everyone a sitting duck for the next Tito to come along.

bunklocoempire
12-06-2015, 01:01 AM
"Angry Canadian" is once again proving how "non-Communist" he or she is...

Will Angry Canadian share their personal defense method with us? The one-size-fits-all solution?

How does Angry Canadian defend their self when around strangers?

I'd really like to know, better understanding and all that. What safety measures am I allowed to take to defend my life and the lives of my loved ones?

AC can clear this up right now. What will you allow me to do AC?

Natural Citizen
12-06-2015, 01:16 AM
Daughter was killed mother got injured.

Hm. 7 years old. A travesty indeed. It certainly does pain one to read of such things.



He was a law abiding citizen till he was starting to hear crazy thoughts that he was getting mind controlled.

I suppose what the man was saying is certainly up for discussion. Here are a few patents with regard to techniques for mind control. Only up to 2003, though.




US Patent#

Description

Inventor

Filed

Issued



US3014477 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US3014477.pdf)

Hypnotic Inducer (Mind Control Machine)

Carlin

1956

1961



US3060795 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US3060795.pdf)

Apparatus For Producing Visual Stimulation (Subconscious Transmission via Movie Film)

Corrigan et al

1958

1962



US3278676 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US3278676.pdf)

Apparatus For Producing Visual and Auditory Stimulation (Subconscious Transmission via TV)

Becker

1958

1966



US3393279 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US3393279.pdf)

Nervous System Excitation Device

Flanagan

1962

1968



US3563246 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US3563246.pdf)

Method and Apparatus For Improving Neural Performance In Human Subjects By Electrotherapy

Puharich

1967

1971



US3629521 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US3629521.pdf)

Hearing Systems (RF/Microwave)

Puharich

1970

1971



US3712292 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US3712292.pdf)

Method Of and Apparatus For Producing Swept Frequency Modulated Audio Signal Patterns For Inducing Sleep (Brain Frequencies Broadcast)

Zentmayer, Jr.

1971

1973



US3884218 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US3884218.pdf)

Method of Inducing and Maintaining Stages Of Sleep in the Human Being (FFR - Frequency Following Response Microwave)

Monroe

1970

1975



US3951134 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US3951134.pdf)

Apparatus and Method For Remotely Monitoring and Altering Brain Waves (RF/Electromagnetic Waves)

Malech

1974

1976



US4395600 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US4395600.pdf)

Auditory Subliminal Message System and Method (Subliminal Brainwash via Music or Other Sound)

Lundy

1980

1983



US4717343 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US4717343.pdf)

Method Of Changing A Person’s Behavior (Subconscious Brainwash via Video)

Densky

1986

1988



US4777529 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US4777529.pdf)

Auditory Subliminal Programming System (Silent Brainwash Via Music or Other Sound)

Schultz/Dolejs

1987

1988



US4834701 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US4834701.pdf)

Apparatus For Inducing Frequency Reduction In Brain Wave (FFR - Brain Frequencies Transmission)

Masaki

1985

1989



US4858612 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US4858612.pdf)

Hearing Device (Microwave Hearing)

Stocklin

1983

1989



US4877027 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US4877027.pdf)

Hearing System (Microwave Hearing via open air Broadcast)

Brunkan

1988

1989



US5159703 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US5159703.pdf)

Silent Subliminal Presentation System (aka Silent Sound - Microwave)

Lowery

1989

1992



US5356368 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US5356368.pdf)

Method Of and Apparatus For Inducing Desired States Of Consciousness (FFR/EEG Waveforms By Broadcast)

Monroe

1991

1994



US5774088 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US5774088.pdf)

Method and System For Warning Birds Of Hazards (Microwave Hearing)

Kreithen

1997

1998



US5889870 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US5889870.pdf)

Acoustic Heterodyne Device and Method (Ultrasound. Ventriloquist Effect.)

Norris

1996

1999



US6011991 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US6011991.pdf)

Communication System and Method Including Brain Wave Analysis and/or Use of Brain Activity (Remote Viewing)

Mardirossian

1998

2000



US6052336 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US6052336.pdf)

Apparatus and Method Of Broadcasting Audible Sound Using Ultrasonic Sound As A Carrier (Ultrasound)

Lowery

1998

2000



US6470214 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US6470214.pdf)

Method and device For Implementing The Radio Frequency Hearing Effect (Microwave Hearing)

O’Loughlin/Loree

1992

2002



US6587729 (http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/pdf/US_Patented_Mind_Control/US6587729.pdf)

Apparatus For Audibly Communicating Speech Using The Radio Frequency Hearing Effect (Microwave Hearing)

O’Loughlin/Loree

2002

2003





Some more....

US PATENT --4,717,343 --METHOD OF CHANGING A PERSON'S BEHAVIOR--A method of conditioning a person's unconscious mind in order to effect a desired change in the person's behavior which does not require the services of a trained therapist. Instead the person to be treated views a program of video pictures appearing on a screen. The program as viewed by the person's unconscious mind acts to condition the person's thought patterns in a manner which alters that person's behavior in a positive way. SOURCE: Judy Wall, Mike Coyle and Jan Wiesemann. Paranoia Magazine Issue 24 Fall 2000 -Article -'Technology to Your Mind' - By Judy Wall US PATENT

5,270,800 --SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE GENERATOR--A combined subliminal and supraliminal message generator for use with a television receiver permits complete control of subliminal messages and their manner of presentation. A video synchronization detector enables a video display generator to generate a video message signal corresponding to a received alphanumeric text message in synchronism with a received television signal. A video mixer selects either the received video signal or the video message signal for output. The messages produced by the video message generator are user selectable via a keyboard input. A message memory stores a plurality of alphanumeric text messages specified by user commands for use as subliminal messages. This message memory preferably includes a read only memory storing predetermined sets of alphanumeric text messages directed to differing topics. The sets of predetermined alphanumeric text messages preferably include several positive affirmations directed to the left brain and an equal number of positive affirmations directed to the right brain that are alternately presented subliminally. The left brain messages are presented in a linear text mode, while the right brain messages are presented in a three dimensional perspective mode. The user can control the length and spacing of the subliminal presentations to accommodate differing conscious thresholds. Alternative embodiments include a combined cable television converter and subliminal message generator, a combine television receiver and subliminal message generator and a computer capable of presenting subliminal messages. SOURCE: Judy Wall, Mike Coyle and Jan Wiesemann. Paranoia Magazine Issue 24 Fall 2000 -Article -'Technology to Your Mind' - By Judy Wall

US PATENT 5,123,899 --METHOD AND SYSTEM FOR ALTERING CONSCIOUSNESS--A system for altering the states of human consciousness involves the simultaneous application of multiple stimuli, preferable sounds, having differing frequencies and wave forms. The relationship between the frequencies of the several stimuli is exhibited by the equation g=s.sup.n/4 .multidot.f where: f=frequency of one stimulus; g=frequency of the other stimuli of stimulus; and n=a positive or negative integer which is different for each other stimulus.

ALSO SEE: US PATENT --5,289,438 --METHOD AND SYSTEM FOR ALTERING CONSCIOUSNESS SOURCE: Judy Wall, Mike Coyle and Jan Wiesemann. Paranoia Magazine Issue 24 Fall 2000 -Article -'Technology to Your Mind' - By Judy Wall US PATENT 4,877,027--HEARING SYSTEM --Sound is induced in the head of a person by radiating the head with microwaves in the range of 100 megahertz to 10,000 megahertz that are modulated with a particular waveform. The waveform consists of frequency modulated bursts. Each burst is made up of ten to twenty uniformly spaced pulses grouped tightly together. The burst width is between 500 nanoseconds and 100 microseconds. The pulse width is in the range of 10 nanoseconds to 1 microsecond. The bursts are frequency modulated by the audio input to create the sensation of hearing in the person whose head is irradiated.

US PATENT 6,011,991--COMMUNICATION SYSTEM AND METHOD INCLUDING BRAIN WAVE ANALYSIS AND/OR USE OF BRAIN ACTIVITY--A system and method for enabling human beings to communicate by way of their monitored brain activity. The brain activity of an individual is monitored and transmitted to a remote location (e.g. by satellite). At the remote location, the monitored brain activity is compared with pre-recorded normalized brain activity curves, waveforms, or patterns to determine if a match or substantial match is found. If such a match is found, then the computer at the remote location determines that the individual was attempting to communicate the word, phrase, or thought corresponding to the matched stored normalized signal.

US PATENT 4,858,612 - HEARING DEVICE --A method and apparatus for simulation of hearing in mammals by introduction of a plurality of microwaves into the region of the auditory cortex is shown and described. A microphone is used to transform sound signals into electrical signals which are in turn analyzed and processed to provide controls for generating a plurality of microwave signals at different frequencies. The multifrequency microwaves are then applied to the brain in the region of the auditory cortex. By this method sounds are perceived by the mammal which are representative of the original sound received by the microphone.

US PATENT 3,951,134 - APPARATUS AND METHOD FOR REMOTELY MONITORING AND ALTERING BRAIN WAVES--Apparatus for and method of sensing brain waves at a position remote from a subject whereby electromagnetic signals of different frequencies are simultaneously transmitted to the brain of the subject in which the signals interfere with one another to yield a waveform which is modulated by the subject's brain waves. The interference waveform which is representative of the brain wave activity is re-transmitted by the brain to a receiver where it is demodulated and amplified. The demodulated waveform is then displayed for visual viewing and routed to a computer for further processing and analysis. The demodulated waveform also can be used to produce a compensating signal which is transmitted back to the brain to effect a desired change in electrical activity therein.

US PATENT 5,159,703 - SILENT SUBLIMINAL PRESENTATION SYSTEM --A silent communications system in which nonaural carriers, in the very low or very high audio frequency range or in the adjacent ultrasonic frequency spectrum, are amplitude or frequency modulated with the desired intelligence and propagated acoustically or vibrationally, for inducement into the brain, typically through the use of loudspeakers, earphones or piezoelectric transducers.

US PATENT 5,507,291- METHOD AND AN ASSOCIATED APPARATUS FOR REMOTELY DETERMINING INFORMATION AS TO A PERSON'S EMOTIONAL STATE US PATENT: US5629678:IMPLANTABLE TRANSCEIVER-Apparatus for Tracking And Recovering Humans. US PATENT FOR BARCODE TATTOO--Method for verifying human identity during electronic sale transactions. A method is presented for facilitating sales transactions by electronic media. A bar code or a design is tattooed on an individual. Before the sales transaction can be consummated, the tattoo is scanned with a scanner. Characteristics about the scanned tattoo are compared to characteristics about other tattoos stored on a computer database in order to verify the identity of the buyer. Once verified, the seller may be authorized to debit the buyer's electronic bank account in order to consummate the transaction. The seller's electronic bank account may be similarly updated.

US PATENT 5,539,705 - ULTRASONIC SPEECH TRANSLATOR AND COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM--A wireless communication system undetectable by radio frequency methods for converting audio signals, including human voice, to electronic signals in the ultrasonic frequency range, transmitting the ultrasonic signal by way of acoustical pressure waves across a carrier medium, including gases, liquids, or solids, and reconverting the ultrasonic acoustical pressure waves back to the original audio signal. The ultrasonic speech translator and communication system (20) includes an ultrasonic transmitting device (100) and an ultrasonic receiving device (200). The ultrasonic transmitting device (100) accepts as input (115) an audio signal such as human voice input from a microphone (114) or tape deck.

US PATENT 5,629,678 - PERSONAL TRACKING AND RECOVERY SYSTEM--Apparatus for tracking and recovering humans utilizes an implantable transceiver incorporating a power supply and actuation system allowing the unit to remain implanted and functional for years without maintenance. The implanted transmitter may be remotely actuated, or actuated by the implantee. Power for the remote-activated receiver is generated electromechanically through the movement of body muscle. The device is small enough to be implanted in a child, facilitating use as a safeguard against kidnapping, and has a transmission range which also makes it suitable for wilderness sporting activities. A novel biological monitoring feature allows the device to be used to facilitate prompt medical dispatch in the event of heart attack or similar medical emergency. A novel sensation-feedback feature allows the implantee to control and actuate the device with certainty.

US PATENT 5,760,692 - INTRA-ORAL TRACKING DEVICE-An intra-oral tracking device adapted for use in association with a tooth having a buccal surface and a lingual surface, the apparatus comprises a tooth mounting member having an inner surface and an outer surface, the inner surface including adhesive material.

US PATENT 5,868,100 - FENCELESS ANIMAL CONTROL SYSTEM USING GPS LOCATION INFORMATION--A fenceless animal confinement system comprising portable units attached to the animal and including means for receiving GPS signals and for providing stimulation to the animal. The GPS signals are processed to provide location information which is compared to the desired boundary parameters. If the animal has moved outside the desired area, the stimulation means is activated. The signal processing circuitry may be included either within the portable unit or within a separate fixed station.

US PATENT 5,905,461 - GLOBAL POSITIONING SATELLITE TRACKING DEVICE--A global positioning and tracking system for locating one of a person and item of property. The global positioning and tracking system comprises at least one tracking device for connection to the one of the person and item of property including a processing device for determining a location of the tracking device and generating a position signal and a transmitter for transmitting said position signal.

US PATENT 5,935,054 - MAGNETIC EXCITATION OF SENSORY RESONANCES--The invention pertains to influencing the nervous system of a subject by a weak externally applied magnetic field with a frequency near 1/2 Hz. In a range of amplitudes, such fields can excite the 1/2 sensory resonance, which is the physiological effect involved in "rocking the baby".

US PATENT 5,952,600 -ENGINE DISABLING WEAPON-- A non-lethal weapon for disabling an engine such as that of a fleeing car by means of a high voltage discharge that perturbs or destroys the electrical circuits. US PATENT 6,006,188 - SPEECH SIGNAL PROCESSING FOR DETERMINING PSYCHOLOGICAL OR PHYSIOLOGICAL CHARACTERISTICS USING A KNOWLEDGE BASE US PATENT 6,014,080 - BODY WORN ACTIVE AND PASSIVE TRACKING DEVICE --Tamper resistant body-worn tracking device to be worn by offenders or potential victims for use in a wireless communication system receiving signals from a global positioning system (GPS).

US PATENT 6,017,302 - SUBLIMINAL ACOUSTIC MANIPULATION OF NERVOUS SYSTEMS --In human subjects, sensory resonances can be excited by subliminal atmospheric acoustic pulses that are tuned to the resonance frequency. The 1/2 Hz sensory resonance affects the autonomic nervous system and may cause relaxation, drowsiness, or sexual excitement, depending on the precise acoustic frequency near 1/2 Hz used. The effects of the 2.5 Hz resonance include slowing of certain cortical processes, sleepiness, and disorientation. For these effects to occur, the acoustic intensity must lie in a certain deeply subliminal range. Suitable apparatus consists of a portable battery-powered source of weak subaudio acoustic radiation. The method and apparatus can be used by the general public as an aid to relaxation, sleep, or sexual arousal, and clinically for the control and perhaps treatment of insomnia, tremors, epileptic seizures, and anxiety disorders. There is further application as a nonlethal weapon that can be used in law enforcement standoff situations, for causing drowsiness and disorientation in targeted subjects. It is then preferable to use venting acoustic monopoles in the form of a device that inhales and exhales air with subaudio frequency.

US PATENT 6,051,594 - METHODS AND FORMULATIONS FOR MODULATING THE HUMAN SEXUAL RESPONSE--The invention is directed to improved methods for modulating the human sexual response by orally administering a formulation of the vasodilator phentolamine to the blood circulation and thereby modulating the sexual response on demand.

US PATENT 6,052,336 - APPARATUS AND METHOD OF BROADCASTING AUDIBLE SOUND USING ULTRASONIC SOUND AS A CARRIER--An ultrasonic sound source broadcasts an ultrasonic signal which is amplitude and/or frequency modulated with an information input signal originating from an information input source. If the signals are amplitude modulated, a square root function of the information input signal is produced prior to modulation. The modulated signal, which may be amplified, is then broadcast via a projector unit, whereupon an individual or group of individuals located in the broadcast region detect the audible sound.

I don't know if cable news is patented but that's darned sure some mind control, friends, let me tell yuns. Yep. Oh yes indeedy.



Either way there has to be some form of gun laws adding more fuel wont stop such tragedies.

Seems like we already have gun laws. Maybe we need some mind control laws. Heck, I don't know.

AngryCanadian
12-06-2015, 01:26 AM
Will Angry Canadian share their personal defense method with us? The one-size-fits-all solution?

How does Angry Canadian defend their self when around strangers?

I'd really like to know, better understanding and all that. What safety measures am I allowed to take to defend my life and the lives of my loved ones?

AC can clear this up right now. What will you allow me to do AC?




How does Angry Canadian defend their self when around strangers?

I guess some of you haven't taken self defense courses. :rolleyes:

But in honesty when you support the idea that everyone should be armed and should be supporting the NRA, your basically supporting the arms industry.

The same industry that is sending arms to the middle east.

bunklocoempire
12-06-2015, 01:29 AM
I guess some of you haven't taken self defense courses. :rolleyes:

What is the hairiest situation you've been in regarding a human trying to end your life?

AngryCanadian
12-06-2015, 01:32 AM
What is the hairiest situation you've been in regarding a human trying to end your life?

Nice deflection.

bunklocoempire
12-06-2015, 01:38 AM
Nice deflection.



So no experiences with violent crime...? Family or acquaintances maybe?

TheTexan
12-06-2015, 01:44 AM
Was it an assault weapon, or a normal, common sense weapon?

Its an important distinction.

Danke
12-06-2015, 01:45 AM
We need an AngryMexican for counter balance.

AngryCanadian
12-06-2015, 01:47 AM
So no experiences with violent crime...? Family or acquaintances maybe?

For someone who supports the NRA and its agenda that says a lot about at least some of you Gun activists. I doubt that this is what the founding fathers of America had envisioned when they decided the second amendment to be put through the Constitution.

bunklocoempire
12-06-2015, 01:50 AM
Could you at least share some details of the self-defense course you took, could it work for my 53 year old wife or my 75 year old mom? Or is more suited for the younger set?

I've got a younger friend with a knee problem, hard for him to move around quickly, could he handle this course?

What if these folks can't handle the course? Are they fucked?

Natural Citizen
12-06-2015, 01:51 AM
I doubt that this is what the founding fathers of America had envisioned when they decided the second amendment to be put through the Constitution.

You know nothing of liberty or freedom. This is apparent. And although you seem eager to contibute to coercion, I doubt whether you know much of what that is either. Or it's consequences. Few cultural Marxists do. Or even your standard modern liberal for that matter. But we observe them to be eager to contribute to its function none the less.

Here is what I'll say and I'll leave it at that. The founders had a pretty good answer when it came to the question of the role of government. Quite simply, its role was and remains to defend liberty.

Petar
12-06-2015, 01:52 AM
For someone who supports the NRA and its agenda that says a lot about at least some of you Gun activists. I doubt that this is what the founding fathers of America had envisioned when they decided the second amendment to be put through the Constitution.

What Angry Canadian is trying to say is that no one who has ever physically threatened his life has been able to make it past his awesome debate skills.

You think that .50 cal will make a cranium explode?

You have clearly never seen AC do his thing live and in person.

TheTexan
12-06-2015, 01:55 AM
For someone who supports the NRA and its agenda that says a lot about at least some of you Gun activists. I doubt that this is what the founding fathers of America had envisioned when they decided the second amendment to be put through the Constitution.

Indeed, the founders intended us to use our weapons for hunting, shooting tin cans in our backyard, and Olympic shooting competitions.

bunklocoempire
12-06-2015, 02:04 AM
So AC, you have no experiences with violent crime and will not discuss self defense, but you are supposedly knowledgeable on how others should be allowed to defend themselves.

You don't know my wife or my mom, or me, or our situations, but you pretend you give a damn about people's safety?

Do you understand the inconsistency here?

If you think you have a great personal reason for this please share it.

Edit


For someone who supports the NRA and its agenda that says a lot about at least some of you Gun activists. I doubt that this is what the founding fathers of America had envisioned when they decided the second amendment to be put through the Constitution.

The founders had a pretty decent understanding of the nature of man and equalizers, hard to imagine them wanting to disarm older women or gimpy men in a sinful world where no one gets out alive.

AngryCanadian
12-06-2015, 02:11 AM
So AC, you have no experiences with violent crime and will not discuss self defense, but you are supposedly knowledgeable on how others should be allowed to defend themselves.

You don't know my wife or my mom, or me, or our situations, but you pretend you give a damn about people's safety?

Do you understand the inconsistency here?

If you think you have a great personal reason for this please share it.

I lost a family member due to Gun related shooting in America. But no doubt you sound just like Trump :rolleyes:




“If the people in Paris or the people in California, if you had a couple of folks in there with guns, and that knew how to use them, and they were in that room, you wouldn't have dead people, the dead people would be the other guys,” Trump said.

Natural Citizen
12-06-2015, 02:11 AM
If you think you have a great personal reason for this please share it.

Psssssst. bunklocoempire.


Let cultural Marxists know their fears and feelings do not matter: No one is entitled to have their feelings addressed by others. And, a person’s fears are ultimately unimportant.

Demand that society respect your inherent individual rights: Collectivism’s ultimate propaganda message is that there is no such thing as inherent rights or liberties and that all rights are arbitrary and subject to the whims of the group or the state. This is false. No group or collective is more important than individual liberty. No artificial society has preeminence over the individuals within that society. As long as a person is not directly impeding the life, liberty, prosperity and privacy of another person, he should be left alone.

Maintain your rights; they do not hurt other people: PC cultists will invariably argue that every person, whether he knows it or not, is indirectly harming others with his attitude, his beliefs, his refusal to associate, even his very breathing. “We live in a society”, they say, “and everything we do affects everyone else…”. Don’t take such accusations seriously; these people do not understand how freedom works.

Natural Citizen
12-06-2015, 02:14 AM
I lost a family member due to Gun related shooting in America. But no doubt you sound just like Trump :rolleyes:

Why should any individual relinquish his liberties in the name of placating frightened people?

UWDude
12-06-2015, 02:18 AM
Can you name a few stories or articles from Japan or Europe going into a Frenzy with a Sword killing a few people?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre
http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/28-killed-113-in-mass-stabbing-at-train-station-in-china

TheTexan
12-06-2015, 02:23 AM
Another viable solution to gun violence, is to have many many drones in the air to constantly monitor every action, and be armed with mini-hellfire missiles to sense & destroy targets who fire guns (with some tech built-in obviously to keep police safe)

puppetmaster
12-06-2015, 02:31 AM
I lost a family member due to Gun related shooting in America. But no doubt you sound just like Trump :rolleyes:
Ahhh. Well I lost a family member to a man with a knife the broke into her house and stabbed her to death while her daughter watched. So piss off. Oh yes he got out in seven years also because your courts decided he was under the influence of drugs and therefore not really to blame. I have been calling for the banning and or registration of knives in Canada since then.

bunklocoempire
12-06-2015, 02:35 AM
I lost a family member due to Gun related shooting in America. But no doubt you sound just like Trump :rolleyes:

Okay, sorry for your loss, and now please share with me the self defense course that makes you feel safe.

nobody's_hero
12-06-2015, 03:37 AM
The guy should be held accountable if his decision to draw his weapon lead to the loss of innocent life.

BUT I WILL BE DAMNED

if you're going to sit there and suggest that we should somehow be held accountable for this man's actions.

luctor-et-emergo
12-06-2015, 05:00 AM
Cops carry guns and shoot people all the time for no reason at all.

Do they have to give up their guns ?

Right, as long as people still get murdered, giving up your means to self defense is stupid.

dannno
12-06-2015, 05:03 AM
Shit happens. A few crazy people will always do some terrible things. He could have just as easily ran them over with a car. Giving up your freedom will do nothing but make everyone a sitting duck for the next Tito to come along.

Of course AngryCanadian will not respond to this post... I've argued with them several times and they never respond to posts that insinuate that there are many deadly weapons besides guns that can easily be used by crazy people to murder people.

Mass killings would be easier with an unarmed populace, as we have experienced recently (most take place in "gun free zones"), due to the fact that GUN LAWS DON'T PREVENT CRIMINALS FROM GETTING GUNS. Another point AngryCanadian is historically unwilling to address.

Suzanimal
12-06-2015, 05:13 AM
Daughter was killed mother got injured. He was a law abiding citzen till he was starting to hear crazy thoughts that he was getting mind controlled. Either way there has to be some form of gun laws adding more fuel wont stop such tragedies.

It's tragic but how are gun laws going to stop an insane person from killing someone? :confused: What about people who buy guns when they're sane and later become mentally unstable? Should people have to visit a psychiatrist every year to make certain they're mentally fit to own a firearm?

DevilsAdvocate
12-06-2015, 05:32 AM
Maybe we should just ban them from the Alex Jones listeners.

It's a little frightening to think that the most paranoid, unhinged people are also the most heavily armed

dannno
12-06-2015, 05:36 AM
Maybe we should just ban them from the Alex Jones listeners.

It's a little frightening to think that the most paranoid, unhinged people are also the most heavily armed


One day you may thank them for being heavily armed.

MelissaWV
12-06-2015, 06:14 AM
Maybe we should just ban them from the Alex Jones listeners.

It's a little frightening to think that the most paranoid, unhinged people are also the most heavily armed

The most heavily armed are the police. You might have meant it that way, but it's unlikely from the context provided.


It's tragic but how are gun laws going to stop an insane person from killing someone? :confused: What about people who buy guns when they're sane and later become mentally unstable? Should people have to visit a psychiatrist every year to make certain they're mentally fit to own a firearm?

This appears to be the case. If AngryCanadian wants to make some sense, then what he's proposing is that everyone who buys a gun undergo periodic mental health evaluations even long after they've made a purchase. Is once a year enough? Some people have mental shifts associated with the holidays, so they might seem fine in summer but go bonkers in winter. How often is enough?

And I will post it again: being stabbed, burned, or strangled to death does not result in someone being less dead. This is a grown man versus a seven-year-old. He didn't need a weapon to kill her. If the solution isn't to arm her mother, then the solution is also not to disarm everyone but the police. Someday maybe AC will get that.

DevilsAdvocate
12-06-2015, 06:31 AM
It's tragic but how are gun laws going to stop an insane person from killing someone? :confused: What about people who buy guns when they're sane and later become mentally unstable? Should people have to visit a psychiatrist every year to make certain they're mentally fit to own a firearm?

"The knife itself incites to violence"

- Homer

RJB
12-06-2015, 08:31 AM
Indeed, the founders intended us to use our weapons for hunting, shooting tin cans in our backyard, and Olympic shooting competitions.
I heard that the militia mentioned in the 2nd amendment was a hunting club.

Slave Mentality
12-06-2015, 08:52 AM
British subject talking about constitutional intent! Good laughs mate.

69360
12-06-2015, 09:00 AM
Another Gun Related NONE ISIS related. (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/7-year-old-girl-killed-at-mi-soccer-practice-after-paranoid-man-with-concealed-carry-license-opens-fire/)




Daughter was killed mother got injured. He was a law abiding citzen till he was starting to hear crazy thoughts that he was getting mind controlled. Either way there has to be some form of gun laws adding more fuel wont stop such tragedies.


With due respect to the victims, this line of reasoning is crap.

What if he took his concealed carry permitted hands out of his pockets and beat them to death? Ban hands then?

A firearm is a tool, nothing more. Any tool can be used to kill.

TheNewYorker
12-06-2015, 09:02 AM
With due respect to the victims, this line of reasoning is crap.

What if he took his concealed carry permitted hands out of his pockets and beat them to death? Ban hands then?

A firearm is a tool, nothing more. Any tool can be used to kill.

No, but we can't ban or regulate hands.

luctor-et-emergo
12-06-2015, 09:06 AM
No, but we can't ban or regulate hands.

Tell that to Saudi-Arabia.

Origanalist
12-06-2015, 09:20 AM
Look ma, no guns!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl7HpzJxgUw

alucard13mm
12-06-2015, 09:40 AM
The french banned guns. Only gun you can get is a shotgun for hunting

French still had mass shootings. Charlie and the recent ones. If we ban guns in usa, bad guys will still get guns. How? Look towards the southern border. Drugs and people can easily be snuck in... surely firearms can be snuck in as well. There will be a black market for guns.

pcosmar
12-06-2015, 09:50 AM
Can you name a few stories or articles from Japan or Europe going into a Frenzy with a Sword killing a few people?

Yes, several. and a few incidents of someone using a car instead of a sword.

I do not think that weapons need to be controlled of restricted.

I do think that the 'mental health" industry needs to be corrected. or outlawed. They are the root of the problem.

RJB
12-06-2015, 10:06 AM
We need an AngryMexican for counter balance.

They banned Eduardo.

phill4paul
12-06-2015, 10:08 AM
Yes, several. and a few incidents of someone using a car instead of a sword.

I do not think that weapons need to be controlled of restricted.

I do think that the 'mental health" industry needs to be corrected. or outlawed. They are the root of the problem.

Yeah, well, Canada banned cars and they haven't had any incidents of vehicular manslaughter. The Japanese should do the same.

RJB
12-06-2015, 10:22 AM
Look ma, no guns!

I'm sure the founders were not in favor of Americans burning each other. Maybe AC and others will call for regulating the purchase of gas with background checks, psyche evals, limiting purchases and some form of government licensing and tracking. Personally I can't see a reason for ANYONE other than law enforcement purchasing more than 10 gallons at a time.

Pericles
12-06-2015, 10:30 AM
Can you name a few stories or articles from Japan or Europe going into a Frenzy with a Sword killing a few people?

Happy to be of service:

Thailand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srjrPsfbXq8

Hungary http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/06/world/europe/hungary-sword-killing/index.html

Sweden http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34602621

Japan http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=753_1344952933

I gather that AngryCanadian is the Sarah Brady of Canada, eh?

oyarde
12-06-2015, 10:33 AM
By your logic that girl and mother should have being armed. :rolleyes:
Not a bad idea.

Pericles
12-06-2015, 10:38 AM
The guy should be held accountable if his decision to draw his weapon lead to the loss of innocent life.

BUT I WILL BE DAMNED

if you're going to sit there and suggest that we should somehow be held accountable for this man's actions.

A solution to violence that involves punishing everyone who was in no way involved seems odd indeed.

oyarde
12-06-2015, 10:41 AM
We need an AngryMexican for counter balance. I agree . I had a Dos Equis last night.

oyarde
12-06-2015, 10:49 AM
We need an AngryMexican for counter balance. I agree . I had a Dos Equis last night.

RJB
12-06-2015, 11:08 AM
Can you name a few stories or articles from Japan or Europe going into a Frenzy with a Sword killing a few people?

It's less of people going on a frenzie but rather the media going on a frenzy and people eating it up. In France the frenzy was over extremists as the root for that shooting. In the states, it's the gun. People become what they are fed. Garbage in. Garbage out.

The media thrives on instilling panic. You would forget guns and be for the banning of swords if such an event was publicized 24/7/365 instead of the coverage firearms get. There is a reason why they focus on firearms. Anytime you glue yourself to a TV, that becomes your reality. If you watch Soap Operas that will become your life. If you watch mass shootings on the news, each time you watch coverage of the same event, it seems as if it occurs again. If a sword murder was cover like this, deep in your psyche you would feel that the one incident happened hundreds of times and everywhere.

Contrary, war crimes perpetrated by our governments actually happen daily but since they aren't covered, you concentrate on the rare mass shooting. Because they tell you it's the guns fault, you are programmed to believe it.

Step away from the TV. Go outside and meet your neighbor. The world isn't as bad as the media makes it. And remember, in the states, lots of your nice neighbors are armed.

Life in the States ain't as bad as the media makes it. You've simply been lied to by your television.

Natural Citizen
12-06-2015, 11:28 AM
Sigh. Canadians. Gosh love 'em.

RJB
12-06-2015, 11:40 AM
Sigh. Canadians. Gosh love 'em.

I had trouble jumping into this conversation because of this. I used to live just South of the Canadian border. I have a laid back, midwestern personality and most Canadians were even more laid back than me. I love 'em. Maybe I've just never met an angry one, eh.

Dr.3D
12-06-2015, 11:40 AM
3 stabbed at London Tube station in terror attack, police say (http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/05/europe/london-tube-stabbings/)
Ban knives?

RJB
12-06-2015, 11:43 AM
3 stabbed at London Tube station in terror attack, police say (http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/05/europe/london-tube-stabbings/)
Ban knives?

Only if the media covers this story 24/7/365.

phill4paul
12-06-2015, 11:44 AM
3 stabbed at London Tube station in terror attack, police say (http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/05/europe/london-tube-stabbings/)
Ban knives?

http://cdn5.freedomoutpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/knife-surrender-bin.jpg

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/83/24/8324baa5aab781e50a45e3a9ca8b24d2.jpg?itok=PVAgirs_

RJB
12-06-2015, 11:49 AM
One more thing about Canadians. What did they do to Black Americans?

I once heard some rednecks refer to slop pool as "N-word pool."

Anyway I was in a bar having a beer with a friend in a black neighborhood. There was a game of pool being played behind us by two black gentlemen. One sunk a couple of balls in a questionable manner and the other one yelled out, "Man, you're playing some Ca-NAY-dian pool."

I almost died laughing. Where did that expression come from?

angelatc
12-06-2015, 12:03 PM
Can you name a few stories or articles from Japan or Europe going into a Frenzy with a Sword killing a few people?

Do you not know how to Google? Add China and Australia to our search.

Canadians are pussies. We should have taken that land when we had the chance.

phill4paul
12-06-2015, 12:05 PM
Do you not know how to Google? Add China and Australia to our search.

Canadians are pussies. We should have taken that land when we had the chance.

Too cold for me. Seems to give them brain-freeze. They can have it.

angelatc
12-06-2015, 12:07 PM
I had trouble jumping into this conversation because of this. I used to live just South of the Canadian border. I have a laid back, midwestern personality and most Canadians were even more laid back than me. I love 'em. Maybe I've just never met an angry one, eh.

I am laid back too, but Canadians are the most frustrating people in the world. They interrupt, they can't track a conversation, and they have absolutely no sense of urgency. Get stuck behind one at the airport and you'll likely miss your flight. But if you accidentally bump into one, they apologize. That always cracks me up.

angelatc
12-06-2015, 12:09 PM
And if you haven't Googled "Canada mass shooting" yet, I suggest you do so. Turns out they're not quite as immune as the media would like you to believe.

oyarde
12-06-2015, 01:28 PM
Do you not know how to Google? Add China and Australia to our search.

Canadians are pussies. We should have taken that land when we had the chance.

I may yet attempt to expand my Empire .

brushfire
12-06-2015, 01:49 PM
Man hits dog with stick. Dog attacks man, and not stick.

http://www.fordogtrainers.co.uk/images/large/schutzhund-dog-training-agitation-stick_LRG.jpg


Human shoots human with gun, human attacks gun...

Get to the source of the problem. Attacking the weapon is counter productive.

erowe1
12-06-2015, 02:09 PM
By your logic that girl and mother should have being armed. :rolleyes:

Do you think they shouldn't have been?

VIDEODROME
12-06-2015, 02:25 PM
I had trouble jumping into this conversation because of this. I used to live just South of the Canadian border. I have a laid back, midwestern personality and most Canadians were even more laid back than me. I love 'em. Maybe I've just never met an angry one, eh.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/halofanon/images/d/d0/I_am_a_little_upset.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130829164922

VIDEODROME
12-06-2015, 02:34 PM
According to the 2nd Amendment, the people are the Militia, but maybe they should be more 'well regulated' or held to a higher standard beyond just a criminal background check.

They should put in regular range time for one thing. If they are observed as acting disturbed at the range, they shouldn't be armed.

I also think it's a problem if someone buys a snubnose pistol for defense and just leaves it in a drawer or glove box without training with it. They will not be competent with it or respect the deadly power of the weapon they bought. Or as I think recently happened again, a child found the gun in the car and shot themselves.

RJB
12-06-2015, 02:39 PM
The reason we don't speak French is because the English mandated ownership of weapons.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?450633-2nd-Amendment-and-the-English-longbow&highlight=longbow


According to the 2nd Amendment, the people are the Militia, but maybe they should be more 'well regulated' or held to a higher standard beyond just a criminal background check.

They should put in regular range time for one thing. If they are observed as acting disturbed at the range, they shouldn't be armed.

I also think it's a problem if someone buys a snubnose pistol for defense and just leaves it in a drawer or glove box without training with it. They will not be competent with it or respect the deadly power of the weapon they bought. Or as I think recently happened again, a child found the gun in the car and shot themselves.

navy-vet
12-06-2015, 02:51 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre
http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/28-killed-113-in-mass-stabbing-at-train-station-in-china
There you are AC! What say you to this?

VIDEODROME
12-06-2015, 03:11 PM
The reason we don't speak French is because the English mandated ownership of weapons.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?450633-2nd-Amendment-and-the-English-longbow&highlight=longbow

It seems like they we're well regulated or mandated to train and be proficient. Mabye gun owners in America should be trained under programs directed by their Governor or sheriffs.

I'm not sure how often the English had to deal with unstable people back in the day or even people vwho we're simply unskilled with using a bow.

Also, the Longbow is a much different type of weapon that require more skill to even use it. I think its unlikely any kid has killed themselves or a sibling accidentally with a long bow. Long bows are not exactly compact or easier ly concealed like a pistol with a.

phill4paul
12-06-2015, 03:18 PM
It seems like they we're well regulated or mandated to train and be proficient. Mabye gun owners in America should be trained under programs directed by their Governor or sheriffs.

I'm not sure how often the English had to deal with unstable people back in the day or even people vwho we're simply unskilled with using a bow.

One would have to have faith in government and fellow man to join such a militia. I, sadmittedly, do not.

VIDEODROME
12-06-2015, 03:22 PM
Even in that example, there was a careful balance of power between armed citizens and their baron who was directed to provide a militia, but did not want that militia to turn on them.

It would be interesting if such a program could Foster Citizen and Government partnership and cooperation and less hostility between them.

jmdrake
12-06-2015, 03:22 PM
Another Gun Related NONE ISIS related. (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/7-year-old-girl-killed-at-mi-soccer-practice-after-paranoid-man-with-concealed-carry-license-opens-fire/)




Daughter was killed mother got injured. He was a law abiding citzen till he was starting to hear crazy thoughts that he was getting mind controlled. Either way there has to be some form of gun laws adding more fuel wont stop such tragedies.

Did you even read your own link? The person had a concealed carry permit which means gun laws don't work! Seriously think this through. This person went through a background check and passed. He wasn't wielding some scare semi automatic assault rifle. It was a handgun. So unless you're talking about banning all guns for all people, are argument is just plain stupid. And of course you don't post stories were someone goes crazy with a car and runs people over. You don't because you know that would destroy your own argument.

jmdrake
12-06-2015, 03:25 PM
The french banned guns. Only gun you can get is a shotgun for hunting

French still had mass shootings. Charlie and the recent ones. If we ban guns in usa, bad guys will still get guns. How? Look towards the southern border. Drugs and people can easily be snuck in... surely firearms can be snuck in as well. There will be a black market for guns.

^This

jmdrake
12-06-2015, 03:28 PM
I lost a family member due to Gun related shooting in America. But no doubt you sound just like Trump :rolleyes:

I've lost multiple friends to drowning. Ban swimming? I lost friend when his private airplane malfunctioned, he had to crash land and it caught on fire. Ban private airplanes? I lost friends when a semi-truck crashed into their car. Ban trucks?

erowe1
12-06-2015, 03:30 PM
I lost a family member due to Gun related shooting in America. But no doubt you sound just like Trump :rolleyes:

A gun related shooting?

phill4paul
12-06-2015, 03:37 PM
Even in that example, there was a careful balance of power between armed citizens and their baron who was directed to provide a militia, but did not want that militia to turn on them.

It would be interesting if such a program could Foster Citizen and Government partnership and cooperation and hostility between them.

If they started a government sponsored/mandated citizen militia tomorrow I would run as far away as fast as I could. Not under the current government. It would be nothing other than an intel gathering expedition by the state and the Fed.

RJB
12-06-2015, 03:41 PM
I've lost multiple friends to drowning. Ban swimming? I lost friend when his private airplane malfunctioned, he had to crash land and it caught on fire. Ban private airplanes? I lost friends when a semi-truck crashed into their car. Ban trucks?

I'd like the government to ban cancer and heart attacks.

Anti Federalist
12-06-2015, 03:46 PM
Can you name a few stories or articles from Japan or Europe going into a Frenzy with a Sword killing a few people?

Yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack

One of the worst modern genocides, over a million people, killed by swords, machetes and blunt instruments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide

navy-vet
12-06-2015, 03:48 PM
A gun related shooting?
yeah, I was wondering about that too....lol
Remember, he/she is a Canadian after all.....

Dr.3D
12-06-2015, 04:15 PM
A gun related shooting?
Guess it could have been a slingshot related shooting. :p

Pericles
12-06-2015, 05:15 PM
Guess it could have been a slingshot related shooting. :p

Or an arrow or blowpipe related shooting.

Dr.3D
12-06-2015, 05:17 PM
Or an arrow or blowpipe related shooting.
Or somebody just shooting a game of craps.

Cdn_for_liberty
12-06-2015, 05:26 PM
Interesting story out of here in Toronto just a couple of days ago. PC bullshit and gun laws at work.

Guns, 'religious book,' found in abandoned car after crash


Toronto police have found several guns and a religious book in the trunk of a car that was abandoned after a crash.

The single-vehicle collision happened at Allen and Transit roads, north of Wilson Avenue, around 4:30 a.m. on Friday.

The routine investigation turned into something much more when police arrived to find no one in the car.

However, they did find a machine gun with a silencer, two handguns, one silencer for a handgun, and a small amount of ammunition. Police said the religious materials do not appear to have any connection to the investigation, and it is likely a guns and gangs case.

Police are still looking for the occupant or occupants of the car.


http://www.citynews.ca/2015/12/04/guns-religious-book-found-abandoned-car-crash/

Keep in mind, all the guns mentioned in the article were already illegal in Canada yet they were in possession by a civilian.

Dr.3D
12-06-2015, 05:32 PM
Interesting story out of here in Toronto just a couple of days ago. PC bullshit and gun laws at work.

Guns, 'religious book,' found in abandoned car after crash



http://www.citynews.ca/2015/12/04/guns-religious-book-found-abandoned-car-crash/

Keep in mind, all the guns mentioned in the article were already illegal in Canada yet they were in possession by a civilian.
Cops are civilians too.

Henry Rogue
12-06-2015, 05:44 PM
Can you name a few stories or articles from Japan or Europe going into a Frenzy with a Sword killing a few people?

How about right here in the U.S.?

Wisconsin man accused of beheading mom with sword

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-84454026/

TheTexan
12-06-2015, 06:11 PM
I've lost multiple friends to drowning. Ban swimming? I lost friend when his private airplane malfunctioned, he had to crash land and it caught on fire. Ban private airplanes? I lost friends when a semi-truck crashed into their car. Ban trucks?

Just ban going outside

Anti Federalist
12-06-2015, 06:18 PM
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tod evans
12-06-2015, 06:18 PM
Interesting story out of here in Toronto just a couple of days ago. PC bullshit and gun laws at work.

Guns, 'religious book,' found in abandoned car after crash


???????????????? No telling, especially with Canadian media.......

http://spreadsong-book-covers.s3.amazonaws.com/book_id10428_size3.jpg

idiom
12-06-2015, 06:52 PM
I lost a family member due to Gun related shooting in America. But no doubt you sound just like Trump :rolleyes:

what the fuck is a gun related shooting?

Anti Federalist
12-06-2015, 06:58 PM
Just ban going outside

Ban something damn it.

It's not a good day in AmeriKa if something is not being banned.

Anti Federalist
12-06-2015, 07:00 PM
Just ban going outside

Ban something damn it.

It's not a good day in AmeriKa if something is not being banned.

heavenlyboy34
12-06-2015, 07:06 PM
You know nothing of liberty or freedom. This is apparent. And although you seem eager to contibute to coercion, I doubt whether you know much of what that is either. Or it's consequences. Few cultural Marxists do. Or even your standard modern liberal for that matter. But we observe them to be eager to contribute to its function none the less.

Here is what I'll say and I'll leave it at that. The founders had a pretty good answer when it came to the question of the role of government. Quite simply, its role was and remains to defend liberty.

Indeed. The FF's were proficient with Doublespeak before Orwell gave it a name.

kahless
12-06-2015, 07:18 PM
Something should be done about the assault knives in Canada? Is there a Canadian forum we can go to and demand Canadians stop killing their citizens with their assault knives?

2014 Calgary stabbing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Calgary_stabbing

On April 15, 2014, five young adults were stabbed to death at a house party in the Brentwood neighbourhood of Calgary, Alberta, Canada. The stabbing attack occurred several blocks away from the University of Calgary campus, and the party was held to mark the end of their school year. It was the deadliest act of mass murder to have ever occurred in the history of Calgary.[1] Police arrested Matthew De Grood in connection with the massacre

Maybe Canadians should ban cars as well.

2014 Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu ramming attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu_ramming_attack

The 2014 Saint Jean sur Richelieu ramming attack was a terror car ramming that occurred in Quebec. Two Canadian Forces members were hit by a lone-wolf terrorist, Martin Couture-Rouleau. Warrant officer Patrice Vincent died from injuries, while another soldier was injured, but survived. The RCMP and the Government of Canada has characterized the homicide as a terrorist act by an ISIL-inspired terrorist.

Origanalist
12-06-2015, 07:36 PM
Something should be done about the assault knives in Canada? Is there a Canadian forum we can go to and demand Canadians stop killing their citizens with their assault knives?

2014 Calgary stabbing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Calgary_stabbing


Maybe Canadians should ban cars as well.

2014 Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu ramming attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu_ramming_attack

Those damn Canadians and all their violence, nobody is safe.

navy-vet
12-06-2015, 07:44 PM
Maybe, the Angry Canadian's family member was struck in the head and knocked out by a falling tree branch, which caused them to fall into an adjacent road way, where they were promptly run over and flattened by an eighteen wheeler, after someone fired a bullet at a target which ricocheted off of the target support mechanism, and severed the tree branch?
Or something like that....
Happens more frequently than we suspect I bet. :rolleyes:

seapilot
12-06-2015, 09:46 PM
Sigh. Canadians. Gosh love 'em.

Sure do.

http://www.cdnshootingsports.org/tenmyths.html


twenty-nine per cent of Canadian homes possess an estimated total of nine million firearms. Other authorities insist that even this figure is too low, and that there is at least twenty million firearms in Canada. The UN reported that Canada ranks third among the developed western countries (behind the United States and Norway) in the civilian ownership of firearms.

There is an average of three firearms in every gun-owning Canadian household. The majority of gun-owning households in Canada own rifles and/or shotguns; on a per capita basis, Canadians own nearly as many rifles as Americans.

VIDEODROME
12-06-2015, 10:01 PM
If they started a government sponsored/mandated citizen militia tomorrow I would run as far away as fast as I could. Not under the current government. It would be nothing other than an intel gathering expedition by the state and the Fed.

I guess I'm groping around for the middle ground between Angry Canadian and well....... everyone else. I think it's reasonable to want a better standard to be met for people who want to possess deadly weapons such as handguns. Yet, everyone is fearful of the 'slippery slope'.

As for intel gathering on gun owners, isn't that a moot point by now if they've participated in the background check? I'm not sure that is required for things like shotguns, but certainly for handguns.

I also have concerns about gunshows. These things vary a lot, but it does seem weird to me when this shows almost seem like a festival peddling deadly weapons.

kahless
12-06-2015, 10:02 PM
Rand is on fire tonight!!

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VIDEODROME
12-06-2015, 10:11 PM
Something should be done about the assault knives in Canada? Is there a Canadian forum we can go to and demand Canadians stop killing their citizens with their assault knives?

2014 Calgary stabbing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Calgary_stabbing


Any such person using a gun instead of a knife would probably achieve far more fatalities during an attack.

I guess I disagree with the argument trying to equate firearms, especially handguns, with something like a knife or even a car. Even in that car ramming attack, it sounds like only one person was killed and one injured.

nobody's_hero
12-06-2015, 10:37 PM
According to the 2nd Amendment, the people are the Militia, but maybe they should be more 'well regulated' or held to a higher standard beyond just a criminal background check.

They should put in regular range time for one thing. If they are observed as acting disturbed at the range, they shouldn't be armed.

I also think it's a problem if someone buys a snubnose pistol for defense and just leaves it in a drawer or glove box without training with it. They will not be competent with it or respect the deadly power of the weapon they bought. Or as I think recently happened again, a child found the gun in the car and shot themselves.

"Regulate" had a slightly different meaning in the 18th-century. It meant to 'make regular', not necessarily what it means today, which is red-tape and hoops to jump through. The interstate commerce clause, for example: "regulate commerce between the states" meant that the federal government was supposed to make commerce between states simpler, but today people think it means broad-sweeping laws and restrictions of some kind which actually make commerce a pain in the ass to attempt. In fact, sometimes people take it to mean the feds can justify laws that have practically nothing to do with commerce at all (I believe they tried that justification when passing Obamacare, even though you can't even buy insurance across state lines so the 'interstate commerce' clause should never have been invoked).

You make some good points though. We really don't have a well-regulated militia today, but I'm not referring to background checks.

A true well-regulated militia would have weekend training just as towns did across the colonies in the 18th-century. There would be some sort of common ammunition size at least at the local level. As it is, if we actually had to use our militia for 'military' purposes we'd be in a mess due to logistical reasons, lol. The militia should be 'made regular', but I would not say regulated in the sense that we use the word today.

Agree 100% that anyone who owns a gun should practice with it regularly. I just don't want to leave it up to government as the entity you have to prove competence to. I could easily see gun-banners eventually doing something like requiring you to shoot a glass bottle off of a fence post at 500 yards with a handgun, open-sights. —Oh, can't do it? No permit for you. :(

These are the same people who tried to indirectly ban firearms by going after ammunition, so they know how to enact gun bans without actually banning the guns themselves.

Cleaner44
12-06-2015, 11:17 PM
What I love about this issue is that the Marxists that are always going to end up on the losing side, because when push comes to shove, it is very difficult for non-gun owners to take away guns from the unwilling. I will stand toe to toe with the AngryCanadians of the world and we will see who will win the struggle for my property. This is why Marxists want Democracy instead of a Republic. They wish to vote in a violation of my civil rights.

specsaregood
12-06-2015, 11:30 PM
OP seems to think I should lose my natural right because somebody else misused/abused their right. I didn't do anything wrong, I don't see why I should be punished.

rg17
01-14-2016, 09:06 AM
The anti gun socialist Angrycanadian finally got a ban!

Danke
01-14-2016, 09:12 AM
The anti gun socialist Angrycanadian finally got a ban!

Just temporarily.

kcchiefs6465
01-14-2016, 12:59 PM
Any such person using a gun instead of a knife would probably achieve far more fatalities during an attack.

I guess I disagree with the argument trying to equate firearms, especially handguns, with something like a knife or even a car. Even in that car ramming attack, it sounds like only one person was killed and one injured.
And if someone at the party was armed, perhaps that knife attack wouldn't have been so deadly?

What is the average response time of the police and how many people do they murder every year?

Really this issue is one of the simplest to understand. People have a right to defend themselves. Government can only 'protect' everyone if it is a leviathan police state. The police are wholly incompetent, rights violationg, welfare whores. I mean, what part of that are you getting lost at?

Do you expect a five foot tall woman go hand to hand with a six foot four tall man recently released from a penitentiary regimen of many years of body building? Do you expect said woman to engage in a knife fight until the police arrive to save her?

heavenlyboy34
01-14-2016, 01:03 PM
106 replies...epic Eduardo trolling.

kcchiefs6465
01-14-2016, 01:05 PM
106 replies...epic Eduardo trolling.
If that is Eduardo, I'd say he needs to put the gasoline sock down for a while.

Mach
01-14-2016, 07:36 PM
Can you name a few stories or articles from Japan or Europe going into a Frenzy with a Sword killing a few people?


Five killed in stabbing at house in Sumoto, Japan
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-31792312

Man Stabs 22 Children in China
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/world/asia/man-stabs-22-children-in-china.html

In Australia, 8 Youths Die in Mass Stabbing
http://www.voanews.com/content/reu-children-killed-in-australia-mass-stabbing/2565398.html

:rolleyes:

Anti Federalist
01-14-2016, 07:50 PM
I think it's reasonable to want a better standard to be met for people who want to possess deadly weapons such as handguns.

I wonder what sort of "standards" should be applied to people before they can exercise other crucial rights?

Dr.3D
01-14-2016, 07:58 PM
More people are killed by cars every year.
I suppose somebody is going to say we need a better standard to be met for people who want to possess deadly weapons such as an automobile.

AmericanSpartan
01-14-2016, 08:15 PM
We need an AngryMexican for counter balance.

I am in Vegas, we have too many and that is why I am voting from Trump.

GunnyFreedom
01-14-2016, 08:47 PM
Can you name a few stories or articles from Japan or Europe going into a Frenzy with a Sword killing a few people?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/


Knife-wielding attackers kill 29, injure 130 at China train station

Lu Haiyan said the slaughter began while she and a friend were standing in the ticket hall of a Chinese train station.

"Suddenly, many people started running around crazily," she said on Tencent Weibo, a Chinese equivalent of Twitter. "We saw two people carrying big cleavers hacking whoever is in the way. They almost got to my back. Then I lost contact with (my friend) and I saw blood splashing in front of me."

Twenty-nine people were killed and 130 were injured Saturday night when 10 men armed with long knives stormed the station in the southwest Chinese city of Kunming, the state news agency Xinhua reported.

GunnyFreedom
01-14-2016, 08:50 PM
We need an AngryMexican for counter balance.

He's been banned, but he still keeps trying.

GunnyFreedom
01-14-2016, 08:53 PM
No, but we can't ban or regulate hands.

Wanna bet? /sHillary

RJB
01-14-2016, 09:04 PM
Man Stabs 22 Children in China
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/world/asia/man-stabs-22-children-in-china.html


I've always thought they should make knives with a 10 stab limit. I mean I can't see any reason why someone would need to use a knife more than 10 times.

GunnyFreedom
01-14-2016, 09:06 PM
If that is Eduardo, I'd say he needs to put the gasoline sock down for a while.

Eddie is not a hoplophobe.

Dr.3D
01-14-2016, 09:17 PM
I've always thought they should make knives with a 10 stab limit. I mean I can't see any reason why someone would need to use a knife more than 10 times.
Argh... I would get tired of biting my steak and ripping it apart.

GunnyFreedom
01-14-2016, 09:29 PM
Argh... I would get tired of biting my steak and ripping it apart.

Just whack it with a club a few times until it turns to mush and then eat it with a spoon.

AmericanSpartan
01-14-2016, 11:10 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/

Daegu subway fire (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjc397ShqvKAhUUW2MKHYQQDA4QFggfMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDaegu_ subway_fire&usg=AFQjCNEkc2NNRrYpkXaOd4-cvYdSDrEWIA&sig2=e4BpGRqmVwHR1uLgr4gOXg&bvm=bv.112064104,d.cGc)
The Daegu subway fire was a mass murder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder) on February 18, 2003, that killed 192 people and injured 151 people.

unknown
01-15-2016, 02:23 AM
Is it me or is the anti-2A media making a point of playing up shootings carried out by "legal" gun owners?

Would be nice if there was some kind of a source or ongoing thread tracking shootings committed by prohibited persons/illegally obtained firearms.

Weston White
01-15-2016, 02:59 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-05/man-yielding-machete-london-subway-slashes-mans-throat-screaming-syria

https://www.google.com/search?q=mass+killing+machete&oq=mass+killing+machete

Norway, strict gun laws on the books:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8657475/Norway-killings-The-laughing-gunman-who-shot-85-young-victims-one-by-one.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/272787/norway-and-gun-control-charles-c-w-cooke

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/world/can-legislation-prevent-mass-shootings/

alucard13mm
01-15-2016, 04:23 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-05/man-yielding-machete-london-subway-slashes-mans-throat-screaming-syria

https://www.google.com/search?q=mass+killing+machete&oq=mass+killing+machete

Norway, strict gun laws on the books:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8657475/Norway-killings-The-laughing-gunman-who-shot-85-young-victims-one-by-one.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/272787/norway-and-gun-control-charles-c-w-cooke

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/world/can-legislation-prevent-mass-shootings/

How interesting since the Norway Killer was killing leftest for being pro-multicultural and diversity. o.o

Warrior_of_Freedom
01-19-2016, 02:34 AM
lol someone who believes that others should be punished for the crime of another doesn't deserve freedom.

jmdrake
01-19-2016, 04:30 AM
The anti gun socialist Angrycanadian finally got a ban!

Ban anti gun socialists. :p

jmdrake
01-19-2016, 05:07 AM
This belongs here:

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847
In a previous article, we examined the revisionist history of anti-rights proponents who claim that since Australia instituted their gun ban, there have been no mass murders, despite the recent “gun-free” massacre of 135 Australians.

It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. Peace Movement Aotearoa, based in New Zealand, calls itself a “national networking organization…interested in peace and social justice.” A fact sheet on their site is entitled Sharp Drop in Gun Crime Follows Tough Australian Firearm Laws. It’s very revealing that gun ban organizations validate gun control by focusing on gun-involved violence while avoiding any mention of overall violent crime trends.

According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, there was a slight drop in the percent of murders committed with a firearm between 2001 and 2007 (16.0% and 13.4%, respectively). However, the percentage was highest in 2006 (16.3%) and remains higher than the low of 8.9% in 2005. There is no difference in the use of a firearm in robbery: Guns were used in 6.4% of all robberies in both 2001 and 2007.

In 2002–five years after enacting its gun ban–the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime: “The percentage of homicides committed with a firearm continued its declining trend since 1969.”

Even the head of Australia’s Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research, Don Weatherburn, acknowledged that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime: There has been a drop in firearm-related crime, particularly in homicide, but it began long before the new laws and has continued on afterwards. I don't think anyone really understands why. A lot of people assume that the tougher laws did it, but I would need more specific, convincing evidence …

There has been a more specific … problem with handguns, which rose up quite rapidly and then declined. The decline appears to have more to do with the arrest of those responsible than the new laws. As soon as the heroin shortage hit, the armed robbery rate came down. I don't think it was anything to do with the tougher firearm laws.

Weatherburn also acknowledged that the best crime measure consists of “the arrest of those responsible.”

Moreover, Australia and America both experienced similar decreases in murder rates: Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9% decrease; without a gun ban, America’s rate dropped 31.7%.

Now for the rest of the story

During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2% and robbery 6.2%. Sexual assault–Australia’s equivalent term for rape–increased 29.9%. Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2%. At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8%: rape dropped 19.2%; robbery decreased 33.2%; aggravated assault dropped 32.2%. Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women (whom ABC reports are arming themselves at record rates because of safety concerns): More women, from soccer moms to professionals like the ones at the Blue Ridge Arsenal gun range in Chantilly, Va., are packing heat for sport, self-empowerment and protection.

While this doesn’t prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Moreover, for groups like Peace Movement Aotearoa, it’s apparently social justice when more people are raped, robbed, and assaulted, as long as they cannot defend themselves with firearms. This highlights the most important point: Gun banners promote failed policy irregardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them.

References

Violent crime rates compiled from Australian Bureau of Statistics and U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation sources. Email request for Excel workbook.

**************************************** For in-depth analysis of the dangerous side-effects of Britain’s and Australia’s gun bans, read Chapter 2 of Howard’s book Four Hundred Years of Gun Control: Why Isn’t It Working?, which deconstructs the gun control agenda and motivates more people to support our civil right of self-defense

thedizzle
01-19-2016, 12:28 PM
Responding to people with no argument that insist on arguing is a waste of time. Just ignore them.

Anti Federalist
01-22-2016, 08:04 PM
Four dead in worst Canada school shooting in decade, suspect caught

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-shooting-idUSKCN0V02KT

MarkieMark
02-10-2016, 09:34 PM
106 replies...epic Eduardo trolling.
I had no part in this.