Reporter Ben Swann Reveals He Has the CDC Whistleblower Documents !!! [Archive]

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 12:29 PM

*** Guys, this is huge news! Ben Swann is getting his own whislteblowing case like Glenn Greenwald. Ben works in Atlanta now, the CDC is based in Atlanta, and some of the docs were a cover up towards African-americans who make up a majority of the city so this is a huge deal. Congrats Ben and keep doing what you are doing!
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Today, in an interview with Age of Autism, Ben Swann, a journalist with CBS 46 in Atlanta, revealed that Congressman Bill Posey has released the #CDCwhistleblower documents to Swann, who will in turn be releasing them to the public. These are the CDC records given to Posey by Dr. William Thompson, which reportedly confirm that the CDC has been covering up evidence of vaccine induced autism since at least 2002.

Ben Swann met with the Canary Party for the first time more than two years ago. It was clear that he was a different kind of journalist right from the start. He was a reporter that listened to the public, checked the facts, and was not afraid to report on stories that didn't fit the establishment’s narrative.

Swann began reporting on the vaccine corruption story in 2013 in an interview with The Canary Party's Chairman, Mark Blaxill. He covered the #CDCwhistleblower story in 2014 when we brought the new developments in the story to his attention. This fall, after moving from the midwest to CBS in Atlanta, he reported on the CDC protests and Congressman Posey’s statement, which detailed that the CDC was throwing away data that showed links between vaccines and autism.

As a result of Ben Swann's old world and honest journalism, he has become a trusted news source for hundreds of thousands of Americans who follow his online outlet, Truth In Media. Swann has now been given the CDC documents that the public has been so eager to read to sort out the details of the CDC cover-up of vaccine induced autism.

He told the Age of Autism today that he will be releasing the documents to the public after a detailed review.
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presence

11-30-2015, 12:39 PM

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puppetmaster

11-30-2015, 01:02 PM

Let's hope if they have been covering it up that the truth be told and babies will be saved.

morfeeis

11-30-2015, 02:05 PM

funny how all of these crazy stories we conspiracy nut jobs keep talking about keep turning out to be true.

Zippyjuan

11-30-2015, 02:58 PM

That was the study which was looking at any possible link between Autism Spectrum Disorder and the MMR vaccine- it allegedly showed that African American males had a higher risk of autism (and no other groups did) from the MMR vaccine. The problem with the data was that they counted black children who were already autistic and attending special schools which required them to get the vaccine to be able to attend. That meant they were counted as cases where an individual had both autism and the vaccine- but ignored the fact that the vaccine came AFTER their autism diagnosis meaning the vaccine could not have caused the disease. When those cases were removed from the data set, no link between MMR and autism was found in any group. There was supposedly a "cover up" that the data was removed to hide the connection. The paper is not exactly "secret". Nor is the "missing" data.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2015/08/06/a-congressman-a-cdc-whisteblower-and-an-autism-tempest-in-a-trashcan/

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 03:08 PM

Zippyjuan

11-30-2015, 03:26 PM

This group is really on the forefront of treating Autism.

I suggest that anybody with an autistic child look into their work including CDS and MMS.

https://cdautism.org/

The vids by Dr. Andreas Kalcker are a must watch.

"Curing" autism with a disinfectant- CDS and MMS are the same thing- Chlorine Dioxide? It is a form of bleach. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide Also used to chlorinate water like swimming pools. It is also used to bleach pulp to make paper. Snake oil salesmen. MMS is also supposed to cure AIDs and cancer. The bigger the claims, the more skeptical one should be. In this case, they claim parasites cause autism and this will kill them.

http://oneradionetwork.com/health/dr-andreas-kalcker-reversing-the-symptoms-known-as-autism-by-dealing-with-the-parasites-first-october-8-2013/

We learned of Dr. Andreas Kalcker through our recent guest Kerri Rivera, who has been using his protocol for treating parasites in autistic children thus reversing their symptoms.

Vaccines cause those parasites according to them.

It can’t be genetics, so what is the cause. Dr. Kalker makes the link between the cross reaction between vaccines and parasites as 1 in 4 have parasites. The cure….getting rid of the parasites

Responses:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/todd-drezner/autism-cure_b_1588498.html

Unlike some kinds of pseudoscience, though, MMS has the potential to be quite harmful. Check out the slides for Rivera's presentation, and you'll find that MMS is a combination of sodium chlorite and citric acid which, when mixed together, releases chlorine dioxide. MMS, in other words, is bleach. Rivera recommends giving it orally up to eight times a day. There's also a protocol for enemas, applied two to three times per week, and baths, which can be taken every other day.

Rivera's own slides admit that MMS can cause fevers, but she calls this a "good thing" and recommends giving an enema every day during the course of a fever. She also talks about what to do if the child suffers a Herxheimer reaction, which can cause fever, chills, hypotension, headache, hyperventilation, elevated heart rate, and muscle pain.

If you don't find all of that appalling enough, you can read this testimonial from the parent of a non-verbal autistic boy who is using MMS. The MMS is causing vomiting and diarrhea, but the parent is frustrated because the non-verbal boy can't give any feedback about how he's feeling. Well, how do you think he's feeling?

Let's state the obvious: There is no reason to give bleach to any child, for any reason. There is not a shred of scientific evidence that MMS is an effective treatment for autism. Some purveyors of quackery have spotted a lucrative market and are trying to take advantage of it. But their protocol is far closer to child abuse than it is to effective medical treatment.

http://www.autism.com/statement_mms

Warning Against Chlorine Dioxide Use

Concerned about reports of negative side effects from a treatment called MMS, ARI reached out to a scientist and a handful of clinicians and asked them to share their thoughts. Their response:

We recognize the urgency parents may feel when confronted with a diagnosis of autism, which may lead them to undertake desperate treatments such as Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS, a.k.a. CD for chlorine dioxide, or ASEA). Any medical treatment that uses "Miracle" on its label raises serious questions of old-fashioned fraud. In particular, suspicions arise with MMS, a product whose primary ingredient has side effects known to be seriously damaging. We recognize that there are off-label treatments with variable amounts of data that parents and practitioners will attempt. As pioneers in the use of a biomedical approach to autism, however, we maintain that it is critical that a treatment be considered reasonably safe before we give it to children. We do not consider MMS to meet these standards, and it violates the principal precept of medical bioethics: "first, do no harm."

While many families spend years trying to detoxify their children, MMS introduces a known toxin into their bodies. MMS has properties similar to Clorox® bleach, which can burn the upper digestive tract. The mucous threads that children expel during MMS treatment, which have been touted as worms (though laboratory analysis does not support this claim), are the body's method of protecting itself from induced oxidative stress in the lower digestive tract equivalent to the mid-day sun in its ability to produce severe sunburn.

We simply cannot know what, if any, damage may occur in the long term. We have seen severe mineral deficiencies, malabsorption, loss of beneficial flora, and anemia in our patients who have undergone this treatment. The disruption of children's gut epithelium and flora could have unforeseen consequences to their immune systems. At some point later in life, they may be also at higher risk for esophageal or stomach cancers, among other issues.

Some parents of sick children report dramatic improvements in stool as well as other symptoms. Does this mean MMS is an effective treatment? Not necessarily. Nature's strong impulse toward healing is stimulated by stress. Fasting, physical exertion to the point of exhaustion, sleep deprivation, torture, and severe physical and emotional trauma muster the resources of the mitochondria, muscles, mind, and soul to rise to the occasion. While any resulting temporary improvements may seem "miraculous," there are safer and lower-risk ways to induce a healing response.

Given these issues, we advise against using MMS at this time. We hope parents will remain critical of unsubstantiated claims that children have recovered or greatly improved in the absence of objective proof. We also strongly encourage any parents who choose to administer MMS to their children to report it to their physician so that side effects can be monitored.

Sidney Baker, MD; Ali Carine, DO; Suruchi Chandra, MA; Kelly M. Barnhill, MBA, CN, CCN; John Green, MD; Maya Shetreat-Klein, MD; Vicki Kobliner MS RDN; Dana Laake, RDH, MS, LDN; Elizabeth Mumper, MD; Nancy O’Hara, MD; and William Parker, PhD

ZakCarter

11-30-2015, 03:29 PM

Thanks for beating me to posting this here - this is going to put Ben and Truth in Media on the map!

Feelgood

11-30-2015, 05:29 PM

Truth in Media: Vaccine Court and Autism
By Ben Swann -Dec 3, 2013

Why is this just now huge news? Story is 2 years old, unless I am missing something?

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 07:15 PM

"Curing" autism with a disinfectant- CDS and MMS are the same thing- Chlorine Dioxide? It is a form of bleach. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide Also used to chlorinate water like swimming pools. It is also used to bleach pulp to make paper. Snake oil salesmen. MMS is also supposed to cure AIDs and cancer. The bigger the claims, the more skeptical one should be. In this case, they claim parasites cause autism and this will kill them.

http://oneradionetwork.com/health/dr-andreas-kalcker-reversing-the-symptoms-known-as-autism-by-dealing-with-the-parasites-first-october-8-2013/

Vaccines cause those parasites according to them.

Responses:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/todd-drezner/autism-cure_b_1588498.html

http://www.autism.com/statement_mms

YOU IDIOT. MY SON HAS AUTISM YOU POS. HOW DARE YOU PULL UP A BUNCH OF BS OFF THE INTERNET THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKNG ABOUT, ASSHOLE!!!!

HUFFINGTON POST? YOU MORON!!!!!!

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 07:19 PM

Truth in Media: Vaccine Court and Autism
By Ben Swann -Dec 3, 2013

Why is this just now huge news? Story is 2 years old, unless I am missing something?

Im not sure where you got the time stamp but this article is from today:

http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/11/age-of-autism-interview-with-ben-swann-on-vaccine-safety-choice.html

Dr. Dog

11-30-2015, 07:23 PM

I hope Ben Swann doesn't go full retard with these idiotic conspiracy theories. Vaccines do not and have never caused autism.

Zippyjuan

11-30-2015, 07:31 PM

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 08:10 PM

I hope Ben Swann doesn't go full retard with these idiotic conspiracy theories. Vaccines do not and have never caused autism.

It has to do with parasites and heavy metals. Get educated.

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 08:15 PM

I am sorry about your son. Have you tried their cure? Did it work? Do you personally know people they have cured?

I'm doing it now. I know about 200 + moms that use it. Its not a scam and yes it is a miracle cure that cures all types of diseases.

if you understadn what disease is, then you will understand why this works. Of course, big pharma and their trolls are online saying the opposite. They troll on sites like wiki-pedia, huffington post, etc. Get it?

Zippyjuan

11-30-2015, 08:24 PM

Dr. Dog

11-30-2015, 08:34 PM

It has to do with parasites and heavy metals. Get educated.
Parasites in vaccines cause autism?

And there is no scientifically proven link between thimerosal and autism.

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 08:40 PM

Got it. You trust something you found on the internet over what some educated, trained professional might have to say and medicines which have actually been tested to see if they work or not. Good luck.

How long has your son been on it? Do they say how long it is supposed to take?

chloride dioxide is in a lot of things deemed safe that you ingest into your body everyday. My son is not on it. I'm on it. Its worked miracles.

Some insiders here told me you were a mild troll. Seems that way.

Obvious troll is and obvious troll. Now beat it, KOOK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1eHKf-dMwo

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 08:42 PM

Parasites in vaccines cause autism?

And there is no scientifically proven link between thimerosal and autism.

NO

I posted a link above with videos. Take it or leave it.

Zippyjuan

11-30-2015, 08:51 PM

Keri Rivera is also a "minister" in the Genesis II Church of Health and Healing.

Kerri is an author, a minister at Genesis II Church (they’ve cured ebola with bleach apparently but more about them later), business woman and graduate of the Los Angeles School of Homeopathy. Our Kerri is an ambitious lady and has plenty of focus – since her graduation from the Los Angeles School of Homeopathy in 2013

Not a religious church but one formed for tax evasion purposes. Their "religion" is promoting the use of MMS to cure everything. http://genesis2church.is/ You too can become a Certified Health Minister and distribute their Sacrament! http://genesis2church.is/become-a-health-minister

What does their "Sacrament" (MMS) cure? About everything it seems.

Hundreds if not Thousands of people who have given their TESTIMONIALS of how their disease was destroyed and their body functioning again and feeling better from cancer, leukemia, diabetes, Erectile Disfunction or ED, AIDS, HIV, Herpes, High Blood Pressure, autism, mesothelioma, addiction, cardiovascular disease, CPD, chronic respiratory disease, liver disease, malaria, hepatitis, cholera, ebola, tumors and around 95% of all the diseases of mankind through Genesis II Church of Health and Healing Sacraments. We can't list all the diseases of mankind here, there are too many to list; but, we did put a few randomly chosen ones on this site. Will you receive healing from the Creator through Genesis II Church's Sacraments? We do not know.

At least they got the last part right.

Will you receive healing from the Creator through Genesis II Church's Sacraments? We do not know.

One girl grew breasts in just four days and two doses of it:

As an example of the unexpected results of using MMS, Humble relates the following incident: a teenage girl, overweight with depression and failure to develop breasts, was given MMS. The next day her breasts started to grow. After another dose 4 days later she had the first period after 6-months, her breasts were fully developed, her depression lifted, and she started losing weight (1). My interpretation of this is that all her problems were caused by Candida.
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/MMS.html

Amazing stuff!

Zippyjuan

11-30-2015, 08:54 PM

chloride dioxide is in a lot of things deemed safe that you ingest into your body everyday. My son is not on it. I'm on it. Its worked miracles.

Why isn't your son on it if as your link claims it can cure his autism? Don't you want to help him?

This group is really on the forefront of treating Autism.

I suggest that anybody with an autistic child look into their work including CDS and MMS.

Top of their page:

A total of 195 children have so far been recovered (ATEC score of 10 or below) using the CD Autism protocol! CD stands for Chlorine Dioxide, which is an inexpensive, broad spectrum, gentle, anti-pathogenic.

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 09:03 PM

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Zippyjuan

11-30-2015, 09:10 PM

http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/illinois-attorney-general-lisa-madigan-miracle-mineral-solution-autism-309703521.html

But the government saying it is bad may make some believe that it is good and the government / big pharma is trying to hide it. She is now hiding in Mexico.

State Takes Action Against "Miracle Treatment" For Children

The Illinois Attorney General’s office has obtained a signed agreement from a proponent for a controversial autism "cure," promising not to promote her treatment in Illinois.

Last month, NBC 5 Investigates reported on the controversial treatment promoted by former Chicagoan Kerri Rivera. Rivera, who now resides in Mexico, advocates a protocol involving a strict diet and a chemical called chlorine dioxide, sometimes marketed as "Miracle Mineral Solution," or MMS. Chemists say chlorine dioxide is, in reality, a powerful bleach with no known medicinal benefits.

"I would say it would be extremely dangerous to ingest this," said Dr. Karl Scheidt, a chemistry professor at Northwestern University. "Much less a child."
But chlorine dioxide, or "CD" as she calls it, has long been the cornerstone of Rivera’s treatment.

"Autism is treatable," she said in an interview with NBC5 Investigates. "It’s avoidable. And I believe it’s curable."

Rivera claims the chlorine dioxide treatments help to purge autistic children of pathogens and parasites. But medical experts argue it has zero benefits, with the potential for great harm.

"We don’t have a single case of autism that is linked to a virus or a type of germ or parasite," said the University of Chicago’s Dr. Karan Radwan. "I feel terrified about a procedure like this which could harm many kids."

After NBC 5 aired its report in May, the Illinois Attorney General’s office took notice.

"I’m very thankful that NBC 5 actually brought this to our attention," said Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan. "Because clearly, you have a situation where there are people, complete quacks, that are out there promoting a very dangerous chemical being given to young children."
Madigan’s office dispatched investigators to a Rivera appearance at a suburban Chicago hotel in late May. After her seminar, they served her with a subpoena, demanding that she substantiate the claims she had made of her protocol’s effectiveness in treating autistic children.

"I understand parents who would be desperate for, you know, some kind of treatment,” Madigan said. “But right now when you’re talking to medical professionals, there isn’t one. And somehow, ingesting what amounts to a toxic chemical, bleach, is certainly not going to cure your child.”

Madigan’s office said Rivera entered into what is known as an assurance of voluntary compliance, where she agrees not to conduct future seminars in Illinois.

Read the Agreement Rivera Signed (.pdf)

In that agreement, the Attorney General’s office argues that Rivera "makes unsubstantiated health and medical claims," and that she "lacks competent and reliable scientific evidence to support her claims that chlorine dioxide can treat autism."

As part of the agreement, signed by Rivera, she agrees to no longer present at seminars and conferences or sell any products in the State of Illinois. A Madigan spokesman told NBC 5 Investigates it is the Attorney General’s opinion that that promise includes a ban on conducting paid online consultations, which Rivera offers on her website.

Neither Rivera nor her attorney would comment on the agreement. But Madigan called treatments such as the one Rivera had been advocating, "terrible scams."
"If there was a cure for autism, you could be able to go to a reputable hospital, a reputable doctor, and they would tell you about it," she said. "But if what you are relying on are complete and total quacks, that’s not going to be legitimate."

Chester Copperpot

11-30-2015, 09:11 PM

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 09:13 PM

Dr. Dog

11-30-2015, 09:16 PM

Bottom line to remember here is that once again the government will be outed as lying to the people and harming us.. A point that govt-paid trolls like zippy fail to realize is that theyre affected just like the rest of us.

Yeah just ignore the idiot

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CPUd

11-30-2015, 09:23 PM

LOL didn't that guy get locked up for claiming his bleach enemas cured cancer?

ghengis86

11-30-2015, 09:38 PM

LOL didn't that guy get locked up for claiming his bleach enemas cured cancer?

Well, let's just be fair and not use the state's imprisonment of someone as a confirmation of anything. Marijuana has been shown to be a great treatment for neurodegenerative diseases, halting the progression of MS and other disorders. But the government will lock you up for that. So if you want to disprove the chlorine enema guy, don't appeal to the state. Should be easy enough to do anyhow.

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11-30-2015, 09:47 PM

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Zippyjuan

11-30-2015, 09:58 PM

There have been studies which showed some medicinal benefits to marijuana. There are no studies showing bleach cures anything.

Rivera was offered a chance to prove that she had cured people. Instead she decided to sign the cease and desist agreement and leave the state.

Zippyjuan

11-30-2015, 10:08 PM

LOL didn't that guy get locked up for claiming his bleach enemas cured cancer?

The founder hasn't been arrested yet but is running. This is from 2010: http://hubpages.com/health/Jim-Humble-Is-Going-To-Jail

I just got a desperate letter from Jim Humble the discoverer of MMS stating that "sorry, but my name and my picture must be removed from all sites selling mms in any form. All of the jim humble approval stamps must be removed from every site selling mms."

He further states, "This must happen immediately. Any time the attack comes if my approval is on any sales site that can be used to put me in jail. This is true in most countries as well as the united states, especially in Europe. Please comply with this. It is important. This must be done immediately. Taking my name off of your site will also keep you out of jail.

"I appreciate your help in bringing mms to the world. Now is the time to change mms to nothing but water purification drops. My sites will remain in place so that people can use them. They don't lead people to other sales sites. When the time comes the authorities must see nothing but mms water purification drops. We will have to depend upon my book, radio, TV, you tube, and other internet articles to tell what mms really is.

"One other point, anywhere on your site where the word supplement is used it should be changed to the word "solution", the reason for that is the FDA objects to the word supplement, that begins to neutralize our sites. Is for your protection." End of announcement!

Can't call it a nutritional supplement. Can't be sold as a cure unless you can prove it cures. I guess they can't prove it cures anything.

All sellers of MMS are now asked to call their product "Water Purification Drops"

This is not the founder but another pusher from June of this year: http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2015/06/mms-miracle-cure-man-convicted-up-to-32-years-in-prison-2575726.html

Beware: MMS ‘Miracle Cure’ Man Convicted Up To 32 Years In Prison

A federal jury convicted a Mineral Miracle Solution (MMS) promoter Friday of conspiracy, smuggling, selling misbranded drugs and defrauding the United States. He faces up to 34 years in prison. This author faces “hell” for reporting MMS fraud, according to threats sent to her.

The man was convicted in Washington state for selling gallons of the dangerous snake oil by labeling it “Miracle Mineral Solution.” The MMS solution is pushed by its founder Jim Humble and his “church” that he founded for the international enterprise.

A federal jury sat through seven days of testimony, alleging Louis Daniel Smith, 45, of Spokane sold the toxic MMS liquid as a miracle cure for cancer, AIDS, malaria, hepatitis, Lyme disease, asthma, the common cold and other diseases and illnesses. Evidence at the trial showed Smith operated “Project GreenLife” (PGL) from 2007 to 2011. PGL sold MMS over the Internet, according to Consumer Affairs.

“MMS is a mixture of sodium chlorite and water. Sodium chlorite is an industrial chemical used as a pesticide and for hydraulic fracking and wastewater treatment. Sodium chlorite cannot be sold for human consumption and suppliers of the chemical include a warning sheet stating that it can cause potentially fatal side effects if swallowed.”

Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Benjamin C. Mizer of the Justice Department’s Civil Division said, “This verdict demonstrates that the Department of Justice will prosecute those who sell dangerous chemicals as miracle cures to sick people and their desperate loved ones. Consumers have the right to expect that the medicines that they purchase are safe and effective.”

The government presented evidence that Smith instructed consumers to combine MMS with citric acid to create chlorine dioxide, add water and drink the mixture to cure numerous illnesses. These are the same instructions other MMS salespersons provide. Chlorine dioxide is used to bleach textiles, among other industrial applications. It is a severe respiratory and eye irritant that can cause nausea, diarrhea and dehydration. Diarrhea and vomiting are signs that the miracle cure is working, according to MMS salespersons. The instructions state that despite a risk of possible brain damage, the product might still be appropriate for seriously ill pregnant women and infants.

Smith created phony “water purification” and “wastewater treatment” businesses to obtain sodium chlorite and ship his MMS without detection by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and U.S. Customs and Border Protection, according to evidence presented at trial. The government’s evidence included that Smith hid evidence from FDA inspectors and destroyed evidence while law enforcement agents were executing search warrants on his residence and business.

Smith was convicted of one count of conspiracy to commit multiple crimes, three counts of introducing misbranded drugs into interstate commerce with intent to defraud or mislead and one count of fraudulently smuggling merchandise into the United States. He faces a statutory maximum of 34 years in prison at his Sept. 9 sentencing.

More at link.

But some will still say that it is the government trying to deny them real cures since Big Pharma only wants to kill people and not cure them.

sparebulb

11-30-2015, 10:19 PM

Zippy gets a boner when he can get those afflicted with horrible conditions, and their families, to loose hope.

Is there a name for someone like that?

brandon

11-30-2015, 10:25 PM

If OP believes he can improve his life with a bleach enema then who are we to stand in the way?

Chester Copperpot

11-30-2015, 10:37 PM

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 10:42 PM

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 10:44 PM

If OP believes he can improve his life with a bleach enema then who are we to stand in the way?

I've never heard of a bleach enema but I do know that coffee enemas are all the rage right now here in Los Angeles. All of the older actress Malibu wannabes get them religiously.

Chester Copperpot

11-30-2015, 10:44 PM

you don't belong here, especially in my threads. Beat it.

http://i.imgur.com/OztOgQs.png

zippy is a special member here.. hes one of the few who actually work against ron paul or rand paul getting elected.

Zippyjuan

11-30-2015, 10:47 PM

I've never heard of a bleach enema but I do know that coffee enemas are all the rage right now here in Los Angeles. All of the older actress Malibu wannabes get them religiously.

Should try one. Your Autism link recommends them (but I would not).

dannno

11-30-2015, 10:56 PM

If OP believes he can improve his life with a bleach enema then who are we to stand in the way?

It's already in tap water... (not bleach, which is not the same as what they recommend, although it is a byproduct of bleach)

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 10:57 PM

Should try one. Your Autism link recommends them (but I would not).

Who cares what you think? You already drink heap loads of flouride in your water, so why not a few minerals in your anus? It's your body man, if you want it to be infested with billions of parasites thats your choice.

Zippyjuan

11-30-2015, 10:59 PM

Ah yes, the "vaccine parasites".

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 11:00 PM

It's already in tap water...

And table salt, and a billion other things.

Zippyjuan

11-30-2015, 11:03 PM

Salt is sodium chloride- not chlorine. Chlorine is good for sanitization because it kills things. Not just bugs and parasites but healthy cells as well.

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 11:04 PM

It's already in tap water... (not bleach, which is not the same as what they recommend, although it is a byproduct of bleach)

Where is Zippyjuan from and why is this liberal allowed to post here?

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 11:06 PM

Salt is sodium chloride- not chlorine.

I'm very sure that your daily dose of lithium is much worse than table salt minerals.

dannno

11-30-2015, 11:06 PM

Salt is sodium chloride- not chlorine.

Sodium Chlorite is bleach - chlorine dioxide is what they recommend, not bleach. Chlorine dioxide is a byproduct of bleach, but if you drink bleach I guess it reacts with the amonia in your body and is very toxic - that doesn't happen with chlorine dioxide, which is why they put it in drinking water and use it to clean fruits, vegetables and meat.

Danke

11-30-2015, 11:09 PM

Where is Zippyjuan from and why is this liberal allowed to post here?

.gov

Zippyjuan

11-30-2015, 11:14 PM

Where is Zippyjuan from and why is this liberal allowed to post here?

Location is in my avatar.

dillo

11-30-2015, 11:19 PM

zippy is a special member here.. hes one of the few who actually work against ron paul or rand paul getting elected.

Sorry but Zip aint in the wrong here. The science is not settled, but that doesnt mean anyone who is pro vaccine is automatically a big pharma shill. Im all for personal freedom, and parents choosing what chemical to put in their kids, but the science certainly is not settled on vaccines causing autism. That is absurdity

dannno

11-30-2015, 11:29 PM

Where is Zippyjuan from and why is this liberal allowed to post here?

The mods allow posters with dissenting opinions as long as they are respectful and follow forum rules.

The best way to defeat zippy is to corner him using intellectual discourse. If the answer to your question can't be found in his binder, sometimes he stops posting.

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 11:31 PM

Sorry but Zip aint in the wrong here. The science is not settled, but that doesnt mean anyone who is pro vaccine is automatically a big pharma shill. Im all for personal freedom, and parents choosing what chemical to put in their kids, but the science certainly is not settled on vaccines causing autism. That is absurdity

Do yourself a kindness and watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj5XjATNHuw

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 11:33 PM

but the science certainly is not settled on vaccines causing autism. That is absurdity

Sorry but I know a lot of moms that would disagree with you. Moms know their kids best. (And Dads)

Do you and Zippy have any kids?

(edit ... God I hope not)

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 11:37 PM

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RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 11:55 PM

If anyone would like to order some MMS/CDS to rid yourself of parasites, virii and may other foreign invaders, you may do so here:

http://www.mms-supplement.com/

specsaregood

11-30-2015, 11:57 PM

Do yourself a kindness and watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj5XjATNHuw

That guy is clearly a reptilian. I wouldn't trust a word he has to say.

RandPaul4Prez

11-30-2015, 11:59 PM

Another must watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvkBaKss2r4

parocks

12-01-2015, 12:07 AM

YOU IDIOT. MY SON HAS AUTISM YOU POS. HOW DARE YOU PULL UP A BUNCH OF BS OFF THE INTERNET THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKNG ABOUT, ASSHOLE!!!!

HUFFINGTON POST? YOU MORON!!!!!!

You hear anything about GC-MAF?

Nagalase?

They put nagalase into vaccines apparently. Well, all the doctors that have been getting killed recently think so. What nagalase does is prevents gc-globulin from being properly converted into gc-maf.

gc-globulin is found in blood, naturally, and is made naturally, by the body, except when things aren't going right. Gc-globulin is also found in milk and colostrum. The nagalase (in vaccines? intentionally?) takes off 3 sugar molecules from the gc-globulin. The appropriate path for the gc-globulin (Vitamin D binding protein) to take is for one enzyme to eat one sugar, and another enzyme to eat a different sugar. After those 2 sugars are eaten, you have gcmaf, and gcmaf binds to macrophages, and macrophages go and attack the cancers and the bad bacteria, etc. The nagalase in the vaccines make it difficult for the body's own immune system to fight against the

Gcmaf is said to cure autism, aids, cancer.

Gcmaf can be purchased, and can be made from milk kefir grains and raw milk / colostrum, although specific recipes for that - to maximize the gcmaf - are not easy to find on the internet.

puppetmaster

12-01-2015, 12:38 AM

The mods allow posters with dissenting opinions as long as they are respectful and follow forum rules.

The best way to defeat zippy is to corner him using intellectual discourse. If the answer to your question can't be found in his binder, sometimes he stops posting. as soon as you corner zippy with facts he bugs out..

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 12:50 AM

You hear anything about GC-MAF?

Nagalase?

They put nagalase into vaccines apparently. Well, all the doctors that have been getting killed recently think so. What nagalase does is prevents gc-globulin from being properly converted into gc-maf.

gc-globulin is found in blood, naturally, and is made naturally, by the body, except when things aren't going right. Gc-globulin is also found in milk and colostrum. The nagalase (in vaccines? intentionally?) takes off 3 sugar molecules from the gc-globulin. The appropriate path for the gc-globulin (Vitamin D binding protein) to take is for one enzyme to eat one sugar, and another enzyme to eat a different sugar. After those 2 sugars are eaten, you have gcmaf, and gcmaf binds to macrophages, and macrophages go and attack the cancers and the bad bacteria, etc. The nagalase in the vaccines make it difficult for the body's own immune system to fight against the

Gcmaf is said to cure autism, aids, cancer.

Gcmaf can be purchased, and can be made from milk kefir grains and raw milk / colostrum, although specific recipes for that - to maximize the gcmaf - are not easy to find on the internet.

Yeah very sad to hear about all of the doctors. This is not the video I was looking for but this has a good explanation of what is going on.

Now we see why raw milk is outlawed. Apparently the docs as a group were going to come out with the truth just days before they were killed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7bdTxZmkrA

angelatc

12-01-2015, 01:04 AM

Zippy gets a boner when he can get those afflicted with horrible conditions, and their families, to loose hope.

Is there a name for someone like that?

We call it "sane."

angelatc

12-01-2015, 01:06 AM

Yeah very sad to hear about all of the doctors. This is not the video I was looking for but this has a good explanation of what is going on.

Now we see why raw milk is outlawed. Apparently the docs as a group were going to come out with the truth just days before they were killed.
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JFC Go buy a cheap kiddie microscope Look at raw milk. You can literally see the parasites swimming around in it . Seriously. Do that.

angelatc

12-01-2015, 01:07 AM

Sorry but I know a lot of moms that would disagree with you. Moms know their kids best. (And Dads)

Do you and Zippy have any kids?

(edit ... God I hope not)

I have kids, and mine aren't autistic. Guess i knew better?

You realize that while there is no evidence to back up any of your Youtube theories, there is evidence that autism is genetic? (http://genetics.thetech.org/original_news/news49)Maybe that's why those moms are so anxious to blame everybody else ... they do not want to blame themselves.

angelatc

12-01-2015, 01:20 AM

*** Guys, this is huge news! Ben Swann is getting his own whislteblowing case like Glenn Greenwald. Ben works in Atlanta now,

I did not realize he had already given up working full time on his own site. When he started out i had high hopes but the world already has an Alex Jones.

fisharmor

12-01-2015, 07:46 AM

I have kids, and mine aren't autistic. Guess i knew better?

You realize that while there is no evidence to back up any of your Youtube theories, there is evidence that autism is genetic? (http://genetics.thetech.org/original_news/news49)Maybe that's why those moms are so anxious to blame everybody else ... they do not want to blame themselves.

Let me clear something up for you here, woman. Just STFU and read and try to understand what I'm writing and maybe you won't come across as such a miserable old harpy so often.

By your own admission you have no idea what any of these parents are going through. If you click through on your link and read that article with a critical mind it's really easy to see that the science contained in your article is not in any way better than the science that you're taking exception to. Not only is the entire thing basically a correlation / causation fallacy, but it's not even a good one. They're relying on numbers of 10% and smaller to try to peg this to genetics.

It's the exact same thing that we see with respect to Autism coming from the medical industrial complex all the time. Autism is just a giant bucket that we throw retarded kids into. It doesn't matter whether these children have polar opposites symptoms from one kid to the next, it doesn't matter that one is basically able to function in society and the other is 30 and not toilet trained. And it apparently doesn't matter either how bad the studies actually are . That's the bucket, see, and that's where these kids go.

The reason why people go for these crazy ideas is because the only option is to give up hope. Again this is not something that I expect you to understand because apparently you had normal kids. Why don't you quit fucking gloating about it. I'm glad your life went well and that you didn't have any big problems to overcome. Some of us do and we'd really appreciate it if you would simply shut the fuck up about things you don't know about.

I don't particularly believe in the autism vaccine link but I'm also not showing up here shitting on everybody's hope all the time. Now I've watched you get outright destroyed on the intellectual argument about vaccines multiple times here over the last year. If we have to start destroying you on moral grounds then that's what we're going to do. So please, for your sake and ours, in for the sake of this conversation actually potentially helping some of the people who are looking for answers and not getting them from your vaunted medical industrial complex, just go away.

ghengis86

12-01-2015, 08:27 AM

As a chemist and for the record, sodium chlorite (NaClO2) reacts with acid to produce chlorine dioxide (ClO2), chlorous acid (HClO2), sodium chlorate (NaClO3) and sodium chloride (NaCl). These species exist in an equilibrium that's dependent on the solution's pH. Chlorine dioxide formation is favored and occurs at very low pH i.e. 1.0-2.5; chlorous acid is favored and occurs at pH 4.0-5.0. Chlorine dioxide is a corrosive, toxic gas which is liberated from solutions of sodium chlorite when an acid is added. The boiling point of chlorine dioxide is 52F. Max solubility is 80,000ppm at 75F.

If you are adding citric acid to MMS for the purpose of generating chlorine dioxide, you would need to acidify the solution to less than <2.50 and keep if cool. However, the solution is highly acidic and highly corrosive - especially to skin, mucous membranes, etc. - and you're also liberating a toxic gas, which is also explosive and doesn't need air to burn because the decomposition of chlorine dioxide liberates oxygen.

Some questions to ask promoters of this remedy:
What concentration of sodium chlorite or chlorine dioxide is most beneficial?
How do you test the solution to determine NaClO2 concentration?
How do you test the solution to determine ClO2 concentration?
What is the stoichiometry of the reaction and what are the concentrations of the reactants and products?

Some other interesting items:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/published-phase-2-results-demonstrate-neuraltus-pharmaceuticals-np001-potential-efficacy-and-safety-in-als-300068122.html
"While NP001's slowing of decline in the primary and secondary measures of the study was not statistically significant, clinically meaningful slowing of progression was observed in patients with greater baseline inflammation, such that patients who received the high dose of NP001 (2 mg/kg) achieved a 41 percent improvement versus placebo. "
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304818404577345953943484054
http://www.neuraltus.com/clinicaltrials/

Like most 'miracle' cures, there's usually some bit of truth or fact buried deep in the BS and which a good charlatan will seize upon. You have to be able to sort through it using science, facts and an unbiased critical thinking process. So while drinking sodium chlorite or chlorine dioxide solutions probably won't do anything but aggravate your digestive tract, clinical trials of an intravenous drug called NP001 - which is believed to be some sort of sodium chlorite solution, but not confirmed - shows some progress in slowing ALS and other neurologic disorders.

I believe that people own their own bodies and can ingest whatever they like, however you should be fully informed before undertaking any sort of self-medication and understand that there are people in this world who would take advantage of sick people that want to believe in a miracle cure, just to sell some books or pills or make some money. They don't all work for the government you know.

Anyhow, do your own due diligence, try not to let your hope for a cure cloud your thinking and good luck.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 10:08 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePr4DXj5oi0

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 10:11 AM

JFC Go buy a cheap kiddie microscope Look at raw milk. You can literally see the parasites swimming around in it . Seriously. Do that.

Tons of food items that you eat have parasites, some good some bad. Take a microscope with you the next time you east sushi, you will get the same results.

Besides, what harm is it to add a few parasites to your body when its already infiltrated with billions of them in the first place?

When you are a child, they are transferred from your mom as soon as she touches you for the first time. Are moms now not supposed to touch their children ... ever?

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 10:23 AM

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 10:24 AM

We call it "sane."

You and your group of Stratfor shills?

dillo

12-01-2015, 10:38 AM

Sorry but I know a lot of moms that would disagree with you. Moms know their kids best. (And Dads)

Do you and Zippy have any kids?

(edit ... God I hope not)

So you become a scientist when Something tragic happens? You're worse than zippy.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 10:46 AM

So you become a scientist when Something tragic happens?

These moms have no choice. The medical industries vaccines and most likely monsanto's round up ready have harmed their babies for a lifetime. You would do the same.

Chester Copperpot

12-01-2015, 10:47 AM

i dont understand why some people on here cant simply respect others' freedom to choose against vaccines and for healthy eating/living

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 10:50 AM

Also look into Advance TRS Zeolite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0cZHDp0dCc

This product has been miraculous in removing the toxic heavy metals from the brain that vaccines leave behind.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 10:52 AM

i dont understand why some people on here cant simply respect others' freedom to choose against vaccines and for healthy eating/living

Because they easily buy into the big pharma propaganda. These are the same people that believe that marijuana is bad for you and that cigarettes are good for you because the gov't said so.

Chester Copperpot

12-01-2015, 10:52 AM

Also look into Advance TRS Zeolite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0cZHDp0dCc

This product has been miraculous in removing the toxic heavy metals from the brain that vaccines leave behind.

im not watching a 90 minute video... just get alot of sulfur in your diet and your body will chelate alot of bad shit

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 10:58 AM

im not watching a 90 minute video... just get alot of sulfur in your diet and your body will chelate alot of bad shit

Yep, so does Cilantro.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 11:11 AM

Watch as GcMAF Treatment Kills Cancer Cells in Real Time. Holistic Doctors ‘Suicided’ over This Stunning Breakthrough (http://www.realfarmacy.com/watch-gcmaf-kill-cancer-cells/)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1WZrnCcH24

http://www.realfarmacy.com/watch-gcmaf-kill-cancer-cells/

specsaregood

12-01-2015, 11:16 AM

i dont understand why some people on here cant simply respect others' freedom to choose against vaccines and for healthy eating/living

Please point out anybody here that promotes forcing you to take vaccines or forcing you to eat something you don't want to eat. TIA.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 11:28 AM

Please point out anybody here that promotes forcing you to take vaccines or forcing you to eat something you don't want to eat. TIA.

Very soon the gov't will force everyone to get vaccines and most likely yearly flu shots.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 11:30 AM

specsaregood

12-01-2015, 11:33 AM

Very soon the gov't will force everyone to get vaccines and most likely yearly flu shots.

And some of us will point the finger at the people using anti-science to encourage people not to take vaccines for that change taking place.

Chester Copperpot

12-01-2015, 11:37 AM

Please point out anybody here that promotes forcing you to take vaccines or forcing you to eat something you don't want to eat. TIA.

well id have to look up alot of searches to be exact for sure.. but suffice it to say there are those who denigrate people who so choose to believe in natural science as I call it. It may be true that vaccines benefit some people, but the major reason that people get sick in the first place is because they already are sick.. Theyre sick because of what they put in their bodies.. their habits.. their sloth, etc. trying to make people healthy by relying on man-made means seems folly to me when man-made means is what is making them sick in the first place.

specsaregood

12-01-2015, 12:17 PM

well id have to look up alot of searches to be exact for sure.. but suffice it to say there are those who denigrate people who so choose to believe in natural science as I call it.

Well you don't have the right not have your beliefs ridiculed or disagreed with. That is completely different than respecting your freedom to choose about vaccines.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 12:34 PM

Chester Copperpot

12-01-2015, 12:55 PM

Well you don't have the right not have your beliefs ridiculed or disagreed with. That is completely different than respecting your freedom to choose about vaccines.

yes but it hardly makes for constructive discourse. Its almost like some can only ridicule because they cant have a discussion which might go against their beliefs.

specsaregood

12-01-2015, 01:05 PM

yes but it hardly makes for constructive discourse. Its almost like some can only ridicule because they cant have a discussion which might go against their beliefs.

I think it has more to do with the fact that this particular horse has been beaten to death, pounded until tender, roasted and served to the forum members eons ago, shat out, beaten and served again multiple times. In short, most/all the people here have already made up their minds for the most part and wont be changing it. There is no real unheard constructive discourse to be had.

John X

12-01-2015, 01:13 PM

i dont understand why some people on here cant simply respect others' freedom to choose against vaccines and for healthy eating/living

I don't have to respect things I think (and all the evidence shows) are totally wrong. That's what freedom is about.

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 01:24 PM

Gut-Brain Connection? Leaky Gut? No longer “Crazy Talk” says AAP
The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) has just taken a giant leap toward recognizing the association between gastrointestinal problems and Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD.) The November 2012 issue of their journal, Pediatrics, has a 200-page supplement entitled Improving Health Care for Children and Youth With Autism and Other Neurodevelopmental Disorders (Note: this guide was not currently available online.) As I perused the various articles to see what the AAP was up to, one particular gem caught my eye: Gastrointestinal (GI) Conditions in Children With Autism Spectrum Disorder: Developing a Research Agenda. Curiously optimistic, I decided to pause the Saturday-afternoon college football game and read the article. After a mere three sentences, my jaw dropped. “Many individuals with ASDs have symptoms of associated medical conditions, including seizures, sleep problems, metabolic conditions, and gastrointestinal disorders (the italics are mine), which have significant health, developmental, social, and educational impacts.” A few lines later I found there is a “lack of recognition by clinicians that certain behavioral manifestations in children with ASDs are indicators of GI problems (eg, pain, discomfort, or nausea).”

More:

http://tacanowblog.com/2012/11/08/gut-brain-connection-leaky-guy-no-longer-crazy-talk-says-aap/

Checked out their link to the paper. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/130/Supplement_2/S160.extract?cited-by=yes&legid=pediatrics;130/Supplement_2/S160

It notes:

This likely reflects several factors, including variability in reported rates of GI disorders, controversies regarding the relationship between GI symptoms and the putative causes of autism, the limited verbal capacity of many ASD patients, and the lack of recognition by clinicians that certain behavioral manifestations in children with ASDs are indicators of GI problems (eg, pain, discomfort, or nausea).4–10

variability in reported rates of GI disorders
means that some have GI disorders, some don't. If GI disorders were the cause of ASD, one would expect to find them in most if not all ASD patients.

It also adds:

Whether GI issues in this population are directly related to the pathophysiology of autism, or are strictly a comorbid condition of ASD remains to be determined,

Meaning no link has been found but they actually suggest that it is ASD which is a cause of the GI issues, not the GI issues causing ASD symptoms.

Going to their data http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/130/Supplement_2/S160.figures-only they include this chart:
http://d15gtop1hlgyun.cloudfront.net/content/pediatrics/130/Supplement_2/S160/F1.medium.gif
Reported prevalence of gastrointestinal disorders in children with ASD.

which shows in most cases less than one third had GI issues. When they examined dietary intake on those individuals, they noted many deficiencies (see link for more details).

One study they looked at noted:

1. Only 4 subjects with ASD (7.4%) met recommended servings from all food groups.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 01:29 PM

Checked out their link to the paper. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/130/Supplement_2/S160.extract?cited-by=yes&legid=pediatrics;130/Supplement_2/S160

It notes:

means that some have GI disorders, some don't. If GI disorders were the cause of ASD, one would expect to find them in most if not all ASD patients.

It also adds:

Meaning no link has been found.

http://i.imgur.com/nTPjbXU.jpg

John X

12-01-2015, 01:44 PM

FYI, When somebody responds on topic with analysis that shows they have read, thought about and understand the discussion and you respond with a customized troll graphic rational people are going to conclude that you are trolling. Maybe you've already given up on trying to reach rational people though.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 01:51 PM

people are going to conclude that you are trolling. Maybe you've already given up on trying to reach rational people though.

No not really, everybody here knows me and my rational thoughts. Next.

fisharmor

12-01-2015, 02:03 PM

If autism was also genetic, we would not see an increase in the number of cases so rapidly. In 2013 1 in 65 kids had autism and now its 1 in 45 in 2015.

You should look up a guy named Michael J Goldberg, and in particular his book The Myth of Autism (http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Autism-Misunderstood-Epidemic-Destroying/dp/1628737174/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1449000169&sr=8-1&keywords=the+myth+of+autism).
He points out, rightly, that there can be no such thing as a genetic epidemic.
It is impossible. It can't happen.

FYI his position is that it's inflammation in the temporal lobe which is to blame for many of these cases. He has a multipronged approach to treatment which includes MEDICAL TESTS (gasp) run by PHYSICIANS, not psychologists, wherein he looks for low-lying viruses, bacterial and fungal infections, and allergens as possible causes for the inflammation.

Chester Copperpot

12-01-2015, 02:16 PM

I don't have to respect things I think (and all the evidence shows) are totally wrong. That's what freedom is about.

youre right genius.. i guess the science is settled for global warming too.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 02:17 PM

You should look up a guy named Michael J Goldberg, and in particular his book The Myth of Autism (http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Autism-Misunderstood-Epidemic-Destroying/dp/1628737174/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1449000169&sr=8-1&keywords=the+myth+of+autism).
He points out, rightly, that there can be no such thing as a genetic epidemic.
It is impossible. It can't happen.

FYI his position is that it's inflammation in the temporal lobe which is to blame for many of these cases. He has a multipronged approach to treatment which includes MEDICAL TESTS (gasp) run by PHYSICIANS, not psychologists, wherein he looks for low-lying viruses, bacterial and fungal infections, and allergens as possible causes for the inflammation.

Yes, now you are getting somewhere, most if not all disease is caused by inflammation. Get rid of the inflammation and you get better. Outside entities such as pathogens, germs, bacteria, virus', and parasites have no place in the human body. Except the good ones. This is where science and the understanding of our body is headed.

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 02:18 PM

The videos that I presented are new findings. The autism is genetic theory is an old argument and if you didn't know already, big pharma conducts these studies and always manipulates the data in their favor.

If autism was also genetic, we would not see an increase in the number of cases so rapidly. In 2013 1 in 65 kids had autism and now its 1 in 45 in 2015.

One big reason is that what is considered to be Autism Spectrum Disorder has changed greatly over the years. It is a "spectrum" of symptoms and that spectrum has been expanding- including people today who would not have been called autistic 20 years ago. It is a subjective diagnosis- there is not a single test you can give somebody and say conclusively that this person is or is not autistic.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2015/01/05/majority-of-autism-increase-due-to-diagnostic-changes-finds-new-study/

Majority Of Autism Increase Due To Diagnostic Changes, Finds New Study

Almost two thirds of the increase in autistic Danish children results from how autism is diagnosed and tracked, found a new study in JAMA Pediatrics, lending more support to the idea that the apparent rise in autism rates, or at least most of it, is unlikely to be “real.” That is, the increase is likely more about previously-unidentified autistic individuals getting an autism diagnosis than more individuals actually developing autism.

Although the term “autism” has been around for more than a century, it didn’t start taking on a meaning we would recognize today until the 1940s, and it remained linked to schizophrenia, a completely unrelated psychiatric disorder, until the 1960s. The definition has continued to expand and become more detailed, and thus autism prevalence has been adjusted accordingly over the years.

In Denmark in particular, the diagnostic criteria for autism expanded in 1994 to include a spectrum of disorders with a broader list of symptoms, thereby widening the definition of autism. Then in 1995, national data tracking began to include diagnoses made from outpatient patient visits rather than just diagnoses of those admitted to a healthcare facility. Since every Danish resident has a complete health record maintained by the Danish government, researchers can use this national health registry to study an entire population with lower likelihood of bias from those included or excluded in a study.

By examining the health records of all children born in Denmark from 1980 through 1991 – nearly 668,000 children – the researchers determined that 60 percent of the increase in autism rates in Denmark could be attributed to those two changes in the way Danish autistic children have been counted since the mid-1990s. The change in the diagnostic criteria accounted for a third of the increase in autism, and including outpatient diagnoses in the statistics account for 42 percent of the increase.

What makes this study strong is its size, with well over a half million children born over a decade, and the use of the national health registry for the data. “The authors have at hand a more exhaustive and thorough database than is available pretty much anywhere else, and their findings are echoed by some other studies,” said Glen Elliott, chief psychiatrist and medical director of Children’s Health Council in Palo Alto, Calif. But it’s less clear, Elliott told me, how much these findings can be generalized to the U.S. Autism prevalence in Denmark, 54 of every 10,000 children, is still far lower than that of the U.S., with 147 of 10,000 children, though the latter, he said, uses a less precise tool* than direct access to patient records, as used in this study.

“Likely, the effect of diagnostic changes is similar between Denmark and the U.S., although we don’t really have side-by-side studies of which I’m aware to prove that,” Elliott said. “The effect of awareness and early detection of autism spectrum disorders could well be different between the two countries.”

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 02:22 PM

One big reason is that what is considered to be Autism Spectrum Disorder has changed greatly over the years. It is a "spectrum" of symptoms and that spectrum has been expanding- including people today who would not have been called autistic 20 years ago. It is a subjective diagnosis- there is not a single test you can give somebody and say conclusively that this person is or is not autistic.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2015/01/05/majority-of-autism-increase-due-to-diagnostic-changes-finds-new-study/

http://i.imgur.com/nTPjbXU.jpg

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 02:25 PM

Curing autism with Chlorine Dioxide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcTMge7MOH8

Dr. Dog

12-01-2015, 02:27 PM

i dont understand why some people on here cant simply respect others' freedom to choose against vaccines and for healthy eating/living
I don't think anyone here has ever suggested restricting anyone's freedom to be idiots.

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 02:27 PM

http://i.imgur.com/nTPjbXU.jpg

Well, if that is the best response you can come up with when facts are presented....

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 02:31 PM

Curing autism with Chlorine Dioxide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcTMge7MOH8

I inquired earlier but didn't see a response. You indicated that your son is autistic. Then you keep posting that this CD treatment is a cure for autism. You indicated that you were taking the treatment but he wasn't. Curious why not him if it could help. If it really is a cure for autism?

Dr. Dog

12-01-2015, 02:35 PM

Curing autism with Chlorine Dioxide.
I don't get how the mods allow such bullshit to be posted on the forum.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 02:36 PM

I inquired earlier but didn't see a response. You indicated that your son is autistic. Then you keep posting that this CD treatment is a cure for autism. You indicated that you were taking the treatment but he wasn't. Curious why not him if it could help. If it really is a cure for autism?

He's only 5, I'm not going to put him on ANY medications including prescriptions until he gets older. I'm currently taking it because I have candida.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 02:37 PM

I don't get how the mods allow such bullshit to be posted on the forum.

But they let Stratfor shills like you post so whats your point?

Chester Copperpot

12-01-2015, 02:37 PM

I don't think anyone here has ever suggested restricting anyone's freedom to be idiots.

Yeah I certainly respect your freedom to be an idiot.. no worries there

Chester Copperpot

12-01-2015, 02:38 PM

He's only 5, I'm not going to put him on ANY medications including prescriptions until he gets older. I'm currently taking it because I have candida.

how did you know you had candida.. and how old are you if you dont mind me asking?

brandon

12-01-2015, 02:39 PM

God this RandPaul4Prez guy is literally the worst.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 02:41 PM

I don't get how the mods allow such bullshit to be posted on the forum.

And you are ok with Big Pharma killing 1 person every 19 mins by way of prescription drugs?

http://naturalsociety.com/prescriptions-drugs-now-the-leading-cause-of-death-by-overdose/

How many have died by Chloride Dioxide Solution or MMS?

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 02:42 PM

how did you know you had candida.. and how old are you if you dont mind me asking?

I'm 40. I read a book called "Wheat Belly" and learned a lot more about Candida so thats where I got started.

Dr. Dog

12-01-2015, 02:43 PM

How many have died by Chloride Dioxide Solution or MMS?

How many have been cured of autism by chlorine dioxide?

http://crackerjackfinance.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/zero.jpg

Dr. Dog

12-01-2015, 02:44 PM

Yeah I certainly respect your freedom to be an idiot.. no worries there
Another -rep for violating the site rules again.

2) Maintain good etiquette by treating other people with respect.
• No insulting, antagonizing or personally attacking other users.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 02:45 PM

How many have been cured of autism by chlorine dioxide?

http://crackerjackfinance.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/zero.jpg

Well thats what you and the government want isn't it?

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 02:45 PM

Yeah I certainly respect your freedom to be an idiot.. no worries there

+ rep

dillo

12-01-2015, 02:48 PM

It's like talking to a trump supporter

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 02:49 PM

He's only 5, I'm not going to put him on ANY medications including prescriptions until he gets older. I'm currently taking it because I have candida.

Thanks for the info. Some kids do improve (and milder versions sometimes go away) as they get older. Perhaps yours will too.

http://consumer.healthday.com/cognitive-health-information-26/autism-news-51/some-kids-with-autism-show-improvement-by-age-6-study-695881.html

Some Kids With Autism Show Improvement by Age 6: Study

20 percent experienced gains in daily functioning, 11 percent had less severe symptoms, researchers say

WEDNESDAY, Jan. 28, 2015 (HealthDay News) -- More than 10 percent of preschool-age children diagnosed with autism saw some improvement in their symptoms by age 6. And 20 percent of the children made some gains in everyday functioning, a new study found.

Canadian researchers followed 421 children from diagnosis (between ages 2 and 4) until age 6, collecting information at four points in time to see how their symptoms and their ability to adapt to daily life fared.

"Between 11 and 20 percent did remarkably well," said study leader Dr. Peter Szatmari, chief of the Child and Youth Mental Health Collaborative at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto.

However, improvement in symptom severity wasn't necessarily tied to gains in everyday functioning, Szatmari said. Eleven percent of the children experienced some improvement in symptoms. About 20 percent improved in what experts call "adaptive functioning" -- meaning how they function in daily life. These weren't necessarily the same children, he said.

"You can have a child over time who learns to talk, socialize and interact, but still has symptoms like flapping, rocking and repetitive speech," Szatmari said. "Or you can have kids who aren't able to talk and interact, but their symptoms like flapping reduce remarkably over time."

The interplay between these two areas -- symptom severity and ability to function -- is a mystery, and should be the topic of more research, Szatmari said.

One take-home point of the research, Szatmari said, is that there's a need to address both symptoms and everyday functioning in children with autism spectrum disorder.

"If it were my kid, I would want adaptive functioning to improve and [feel] symptoms are less important," he said. "Adaptive functioning determines your place in the world."

Only 66 of the study participants were girls, and Szatmari found they had less severe symptoms and more improvement in symptoms than boys. The earlier the children were diagnosed, the more likely they were to show improvement in functioning, the study found.

The findings were published online Jan. 28 in the journal JAMA Psychiatry.

Dr. Dog

12-01-2015, 02:49 PM

Well thats what you and the government want isn't it?
I wish there was a cure for autism. But science says that chlorine dioxide isn't one.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 02:50 PM

I wish there was a cure for autism. But BIG PHARMA says that chlorine dioxide isn't one.

Fixed.

Dr. Dog

12-01-2015, 02:52 PM

Fixed.
If it does work why is there absolutely no scientific data backing that claim up?

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 02:52 PM

It's like talking to a trump supporter

+ rep

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 02:57 PM

I'm 40. I read a book called "Wheat Belly" and learned a lot more about Candida so thats where I got started.

Interesting. That means you were 35 when you son was born. Is your husband older as well? (I don't mean that you are old- just relatively old for having kids compared to 30 years ago).

Correlation is not causation but they have found that the age of parents is correlated with the incidence of autism spectrum disorder. The rise in autism, besides the expanded definition which does not cover all of the additional cases, has also followed people delaying having kids- more babies being born to parents in their 30's 40's and even 50's. Both sperm and eggs develop more mutations as we age and those get passed on if you have a child later in life than in your 20's for example. Age of the father is more significant than the age of the mother.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/parents-age-childs-autism-risk/

New study on parental age, child's autism risk

In the largest-ever international study of parental age and autism risk, researchers have found increased autism rates among children born to teen moms and among kids whose parents have large gaps between their ages.

The study, funded by the advocacy organization Autism Speaks, also confirmed that children of either older moms or older dads have a higher risk of autism.

Researchers looked at the national health records of more than 5.7 million children in five different countries - Denmark, Israel, Norway, Sweden and Western Australia - including more than 30,000 with autism.

"There's no other data set like this out there," study co-author Michael Rosanoff, Autism Speaks' director of public health research, told CBS News. "We've seen in previous literature that older parents are at a higher risk of having a child with autism, but what we're unsure of is if it's the father's age that increases the risk, if it's the mother's age, or if it's both. This study was able to look at the effects of maternal age and paternal age both independently and jointly."

The results, published today in the journal Molecular Psychiatry, found that autism rates were 66 percent higher among children born to dads over 50 years old, as compared to dads in their 20s. Autism rates were 15 percent higher when moms had children in their 40s and 18 percent higher for children of teen moms, when compared to those born to women in their 20s.

CBS News medical contributor Dr. Holly Phillips explained that "paternal age - the age of fathers when they have children - showed the strongest link. Children who were born to fathers over 50 had a 66 percent higher rate of having autism. If the fathers were in their 40s, there was a 28 percent higher risk of autism."

Phillips added, "One of the more shocking aspects of the study is, we're seeing these links on both sides of the spectrum," with increased risks among teen mothers as well.

Autism rates also rose when both parents were older and when there were wider gaps between the two parents' ages. These rates were highest when fathers were between 35 and 44 and their partners were at least 10 years younger, and when mothers were in their 30s and their partners were 10 years younger or more.

While the higher risk of autism among older parents has been linked to genetic mutations in the sperm or egg cells, there is currently no explanation for the increased risk among children of teen moms and those born to parents with a wide age gap.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 03:01 PM

Your sources are very weak. Wikipedia, Huffington Post and now CBS? Weak sauce. What vested interest do you have in autism?

http://i.imgur.com/nTPjbXU.jpg

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 03:04 PM

EN - Jim Humble and the Story behind MMS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNCt1Q3-W3M

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 03:05 PM

I see. Some online sales person with a church they made up is more reliable than studies of 5.7 million kids. And you want to talk about reliable sources? YouTube videos? Let us see their studies which show how many they have cured (and how many they did not cure).

I note that you have not discussed the CONTENT of what I provided nor disproved any of it.

brandon

12-01-2015, 03:08 PM

lol some moderator has been sniping all my posts they don't like. Just deleting them without any notice or justification or anything. This forum is really a cesspool.

Ender

12-01-2015, 03:08 PM

He's only 5, I'm not going to put him on ANY medications including prescriptions until he gets older. I'm currently taking it because I have candida.

With you 1000% on this- my whole family are natural health nuts. :) My 72 yr old grandmother is in great health and looks 50- maybe.

I have never been vaccinated and I will never allow my children to be.

The plus side of autism is that many grow out of it and into geniuses. Have worked with a lot of autistic kids that do fantastic in the arts- great to see.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 03:10 PM

With you 1000% on this- my whole family are natural health nuts. :) My 72 yr old grandmother is in great health and looks 50- maybe.

I have never been vaccinated and I will never allow my children to be.

The plus side of autism is that many grow out of it and into geniuses. Have worked with a lot of autistic kids that do fantastic in the arts- great to see.

Yeah, he's extremely smart, funny, he can already read pretty much. He's mildly autistic, most people can't even tell.

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 03:12 PM

Yeah, he's extremely smart, funny, he can already read pretty much. He's mildly autistic, most people can't even tell.

20 years ago he probably would not have even been called autistic.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 03:12 PM

lol some moderator has been sniping all my posts they don't like. Just deleting them without any notice or justification or anything. This forum is really a cesspool.

Maybe you should just got back to the Carl Marx forum where you came from.

brandon

12-01-2015, 03:13 PM

Maybe you should just got back to the Carl Marx forum where you came from.

ohhh rekt

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 03:16 PM

20 years ago he probably would not have even been autistic.

Fixed

CPUd

12-01-2015, 03:17 PM

http://i.imgur.com/vjc2FdO.gif

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 03:20 PM

Fixed

He might not actually be autistic now.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 03:21 PM

He might not actually be autistic now.

Worry about your own kids. I don't want your "help" or opinions here. Get lost.

fisharmor

12-01-2015, 03:45 PM

20 years ago he probably would not have even been called autistic.

Well I think Zippy has added a much needed fact to the argument: There is essentially no such thing as autism.

Autism was a very particular and very rare disorder prior to... well, the release of Rain Man, really. It was discovered by a man named Leo Kanner and he put a very specific diagnosis to it.

Since then the "spectrum disorder" idea has been implemented which has not shed any new light on autism. All it has done is muddy the water. Where there was once a clear diagnosis - and potentially hope for finding something out about the disorder - now we have a hodgepodge of every conceivable symptom.

High functioning, and barely functioning. Extremely sensitive to touch, and barely registering head trauma. Gross motor problems interfering with things like walking, and fine motor control that allows for intricate model making. Extreme unwillingness to show emotion, and constantly hugging and kissing and laughing. Each of those can be and is actively used to diagnose Autism in children these days, despite the fact that from one child to the next, the symptoms are complete opposites.

The end result is that ASD does not really exist. Like I said, it's a bucket we throw retarded kids into. It's not science. It's not drawing distinctions. And Zippy is right: the explosion is at least partly because the people in charge have completely abandoned any notion of discernment.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 03:49 PM

Well I think Zippy has added a much needed fact to the argument: There is essentially no such thing as autism.

Autism was a very particular and very rare disorder prior to... well, the release of Rain Man, really. It was discovered by a man named Leo Kanner and he put a very specific diagnosis to it.

Since then the "spectrum disorder" idea has been implemented which has not shed any new light on autism. All it has done is muddy the water. Where there was once a clear diagnosis - and potentially hope for finding something out about the disorder - now we have a hodgepodge of every conceivable symptom.

High functioning, and barely functioning. Extremely sensitive to touch, and barely registering head trauma. Gross motor problems interfering with things like walking, and fine motor control that allows for intricate model making. Extreme unwillingness to show emotion, and constantly hugging and kissing and laughing. Each of those can be and is actively used to diagnose Autism in children these days, despite the fact that from one child to the next, the symptoms are complete opposites.

The end result is that ASD does not really exist. Like I said, it's a bucket we throw retarded kids into. It's not science. It's not drawing distinctions. And Zippy is right: the explosion is at least partly because the people in charge have completely abandoned any notion of discernment.

It exist in many forms, it just doesn't fit in the compartmentalized narrative that you want to throw it into.

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 03:54 PM

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 03:59 PM

It, along with ADHD is just the latest "cool" diagnosis- when in doubt, put the kid into one of those categories. Yes, there are serious cases of autism. But in the past they were labeled something else too-"shy," "awkward", "mentally slow" or even "retarded" (yes, I am aware that Downs Syndrome is different). "Autism" used to just refer to schitzophrenics.

I think we are all aware of this. Most of the kids that go to my sons private school were normal and then regressed into autism after a they received vaccines. How does that fit into your narrative?

specsaregood

12-01-2015, 04:00 PM

And Zippy is right: the explosion is at least partly because the people in charge have completely abandoned any notion of discernment.

And a big reason why is MONEY. It's a lot easier to get funding and money for "autism" the more kids you can claim have it.

fisharmor

12-01-2015, 04:02 PM

It exist in many forms, it just doesn't fit in the compartmentalized narrative that you want to throw it into.

I don't think RandPaul4Prez fits into the compartmentalized narrative you want to throw it into.
From here on out, everyone, RandPaul4Prez is the foremost activist on this forum for everyone getting all vaccinations for everything.
Moreover, since we're not compartmentalizing, RandPaul4Prez will also be our member most actively calling for state control and immediate abolition of alternative treatments. RandPaul4Prez officially says that nobody should get anything which is not blessed by the medical industrial complex.

If we can do it to Leo Kanner, we can do it to you, too.

Chester Copperpot

12-01-2015, 04:08 PM

Another -rep for violating the site rules again.

2) Maintain good etiquette by treating other people with respect.
• No insulting, antagonizing or personally attacking other users.

no violation of any rules.. I sincerely respect your freedom to be an idiot just like you respect mine.

CPUd

12-01-2015, 04:12 PM

Though the character was called an autistic savant, thee real Rain Man wasn't even autistic. Almost everyone classified as autistic during the time of the film were nowhere near as functional as Rain Man.

Chester Copperpot

12-01-2015, 04:15 PM

I'm 40. I read a book called "Wheat Belly" and learned a lot more about Candida so thats where I got started.

I guess what I meant to ask was, what were the specific symptoms that made you sure you had it?

Ender

12-01-2015, 04:21 PM

Well I think Zippy has added a much needed fact to the argument: There is essentially no such thing as autism.

Autism was a very particular and very rare disorder prior to... well, the release of Rain Man, really. It was discovered by a man named Leo Kanner and he put a very specific diagnosis to it.

Since then the "spectrum disorder" idea has been implemented which has not shed any new light on autism. All it has done is muddy the water. Where there was once a clear diagnosis - and potentially hope for finding something out about the disorder - now we have a hodgepodge of every conceivable symptom.

High functioning, and barely functioning. Extremely sensitive to touch, and barely registering head trauma. Gross motor problems interfering with things like walking, and fine motor control that allows for intricate model making. Extreme unwillingness to show emotion, and constantly hugging and kissing and laughing. Each of those can be and is actively used to diagnose Autism in children these days, despite the fact that from one child to the next, the symptoms are complete opposites.

The end result is that ASD does not really exist. Like I said, it's a bucket we throw retarded kids into. It's not science. It's not drawing distinctions. And Zippy is right: the explosion is at least partly because the people in charge have completely abandoned any notion of discernment.

Actually autism does exist and is very easy to recognize. And I am not a health practitioner.

I work with autistic kids a lot and I am always aware of their autism before anyone even tells me.

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 04:23 PM

I think we are all aware of this. Most of the kids that go to my sons private school were normal and then regressed into autism after a they received vaccines. How does that fit into your narrative?

Most of his friends are autistic? Is this a special school for autistic kids?

Babies are given vaccines. Did they not receive those and "regress" immediately? Did they regress after the first vaccine they ever got? Also to note that the autism diagnosis is often given at an age when kids are receiving vaccines- that does not necessarily mean they were caused by the vaccine- correlation is not causation.

I go to the doctor for a checkup. Somebody in the waiting room has the flu and I catch it. Did the doctor give me the flu? I crash the car on the way home after my flu shot. Did the flu shot cause me to crash?

Since you like YouTubes as proof:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFxfL-JxfsY

Ender

12-01-2015, 04:25 PM

Most of his friends are autistic? Is this a special school for autistic kids?

Babies are given vaccines. Did they not receive those and "regress" immediately? Did they regress after the first vaccine they ever got? Also to note that the autism diagnosis is often given at an age when kids are receiving vaccines- that does not necessarily mean they were caused by the vaccine- correlation is not causation.

I go to the doctor for a checkup. Somebody in the waiting room has the flu and I catch it. Did the doctor give me the flu? I crash the car on the way home after my flu shot. Did the flu shot cause me to crash?

Since you like YouTubes as proof:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFxfL-JxfsY

You trust Big Pharma videos or do you trust Ben Swann?

I'll take Swann any day.

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 04:25 PM

Actually autism does exist and is very easy to recognize. And I am not a health practitioner.

I work with autistic kids a lot and I am always aware of their autism before anyone even tells me.

What he was saying is that the definition of what is considered to be autism is now so big that the term is losing meaning since it covers so many different things. There is not a claim that autism does not exist.

Ender

12-01-2015, 04:26 PM

What he was saying is that the definition of what is considered to be autism is now so big that the term is losing meaning since it covers so many different things. There is not a claim that autism does not exist.

But, he DID say that Zip- reading is your friend. ;)

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 04:27 PM

You trust Big Pharma videos or do you trust Ben Swann?

I'll take Swann any day.

I trust statistics. Studies. Facts. Educated professionals in the field.

Ender

12-01-2015, 04:28 PM

I trust statistics. Studies. Facts.

Studies promoted and paid for by profiteers are not always "facts".

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 04:30 PM

I trust statistics. Studies. Facts. Educated professionals in the field.

Trust this FACT: You are an idiot.

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 04:30 PM

I don't see studies disproving them. I don't see any studies showing that MMS or CD works. Yes, studies need to be read carefully to see what they really show.

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 04:31 PM

Trust this FACT: You are an idiot.

Because I don't believe that bleach can cure autism? Or that vaccines cause parasites? If you have proof, I will certainly consider the possibility.

Ender

12-01-2015, 04:35 PM

I don't see studies disproving them. I don't see any studies showing that MMS or CD works. Yes, studies need to be read carefully to see what they really show.

Let's start here:

http://www.activistpost.com/2013/09/22-medical-studies-that-show-vaccines.html

http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/30-scientific-studies-showing-the-link-between-vaccines-and-autism/

specsaregood

12-01-2015, 04:35 PM

I must admit, its pretty funny to see Zippy getting fooled into being Trolled.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 04:36 PM

Because I don't believe that bleach can cure autism? Or that vaccines cause parasites? If you have proof, I will certainly consider the possibility.

It's not bleach fuxstix.

As far as proof, did you even watch the videos?

angelatc

12-01-2015, 04:49 PM

It's not bleach fuxstix.

As far as proof, did you even watch the videos?

Some random charlatan hawking snake oil on Youtube. Seems legit.

angelatc

12-01-2015, 04:51 PM

Studies promoted and paid for by profiteers are not always "facts".

This is what makes arguing with the antivaxxers so fucking infuriating.

angelatc

12-01-2015, 04:57 PM

Curing autism with Chlorine Dioxide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcTMge7MOH8

Oh no! CHemikillz!

angelatc

12-01-2015, 04:58 PM

You trust Big Pharma videos or do you trust Ben Swann?

I'll take Swann any day.

ANd that's where you fall down. Real facts stand up to scrutiny no matter what source they come from.

angelatc

12-01-2015, 05:00 PM

angelatc

12-01-2015, 05:03 PM

lol some moderator has been sniping all my posts they don't like. Just deleting them without any notice or justification or anything. This forum is really a cesspool.

It is. To me, seeing Swann head down the conspiracy / anti-vaxxer path was one of the biggest signs that the movement had failed. I thought we were going to get our own Glenn Greenwald, and instead we got another Alex Jones.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 05:09 PM

It is. To me, seeing Swann head down the conspiracy / anti-vaxxer path was one of the biggest signs that the movement had failed. I thought we were going to get our own Glenn Greenwald, and instead we got another Alex Jones.

How can you be a Ron and Rand Paul supporter if you are not a truther?

Answer: you can't be

angelatc

12-01-2015, 05:11 PM

How can you be a Ron and Rand Paul supporter if you are not a truther?

Answer: you can't be

Well, how lovely of you to decide who is and isn't a supporter. Just for the record, Ron Paul is not a Truther, at least, according to Ron Paul. He also said Truthers hurt his cause. Deal with it.

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 05:11 PM

Let's start here:

http://www.activistpost.com/2013/09/22-medical-studies-that-show-vaccines.html

http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/30-scientific-studies-showing-the-link-between-vaccines-and-autism/

I started to go through the links and respond to them but somehow lost all the info I typed up. Study #1 relied on "parental diagnosis" of their kids getting autism from vaccines. Not any medical diagnosis.

#2 said aluminum was the problem. Aluminum is used as an adjuvant in just a few vaccines and is in very tiny amounts. A person gets 99.9999% of their aluminum from foods they eat or the environment. Also the body is able to get rid of most of the aluminum you are exposed to. Breast milk can have more aluminum than a vaccine.

#3 cites "environmental" causes of autism. Actually they "suspect" it. They don't show or prove it.

researchers suspect one or more environmental triggers are needed to develop autism

#4 says thimerisol may be the problem.

They determined that ASD patients have a heightened sensitivity to thimerosal which would restrict cell proliferation that is typically found after vaccination.

Thimerisol was removed from vaccines several years ago. If it was a cause, then the autism rate should have gone down. It didn't which rules it out as a cause.

Not seeing a lot of proof that vaccines cause autism (or parasites or that parasites cause autism or that CD or MSM can cure that).

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 05:29 PM

Well, how lovely of you to decide who is and isn't a supporter. Just for the record, Ron Paul is not a Truther, at least, according to Ron Paul. He also said Truthers hurt his cause. Deal with it.

Yeah well we know hes not a fan of real journalists like Luke Rudkowski, but in all honesty Ron and Rand get "truther" info from somewhere. Do you think he knows all about the Fed's corruption from the Encyclopedia Britannica?

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 05:32 PM

Well, how lovely of you to decide who is and isn't a supporter. Just for the record, Ron Paul is not a Truther, at least, according to Ron Paul. He also said Truthers hurt his cause. Deal with it.

"I can't tell people what to do. I have abandoned those viewpoints. I don't believe that and that's the only thing that's important."

"Would you ask them to cease that (truther) rhetoric on your behalf?"

"Well, it doesn't do me any good so if they care about me they should."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8tQCD5e6fE

Chester Copperpot

12-01-2015, 05:42 PM

How can you be a Ron and Rand Paul supporter if you are not a truther?

Answer: you can't be

thats not accurate at all... all truthers may be ron paul supporters.. but all ron supporters are surely not truthers. The commonality of truthers and ron paul supporters is healthy skepticism of the govt..

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 05:43 PM

"I can't tell people what to do. I have abandoned those viewpoints. I don't believe that and that's the only thing that's important."

"Would you ask them to cease that (truther) rhetoric on your behalf?"

"Well, it doesn't do me any good so if they care about me they should."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8tQCD5e6fE

Most people think that Ron Paul is a nutter already, it would not help his cause to subscribe to more controversies than he already brings to the table.

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 05:44 PM

They think he is in part because of the nutters who support him. Note Rand Paul is distancing himself from them. Ron Paul welcomed anybody.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 05:45 PM

thats not accurate at all... all truthers may be ron paul supporters.. but all ron supporters are surely not truthers. The commonality of truthers and ron paul supporters is healthy skepticism of the govt..

A truther is somebody that simply questions thier surrounding circumstances. If you question the gov't, Ron and Rand are guilty of this, then you are in fact a truther.

Chester Copperpot

12-01-2015, 05:47 PM

A truther is somebody that simply questions thier surrounding circumstances. If you question the gov't, Ron and Rand are guilty of this, then you are in fact a truther.

Oh I thought you meant a "9/11 truther specifically".... well your definition of "truther" sounds like my definition of "critical thinker"... most ron paul supporters probably are critical thinkers

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 05:48 PM

Truther came to be associated with the idea that the government was behind 9/11. When you say "Truther" that is what people assume you mean. "Conspiracy Theorist" is used on most other issues.

dannno

12-01-2015, 06:28 PM

Truther came to be associated with the idea that the government was behind 9/11. When you say "Truther" that is what people assume you mean. "Conspiracy Theorist" is used on most other issues.

Truthers don't think the government was behind 9/11 - truthers think that a group of people were behind 9/11, a group that also controls the government.

Chester Copperpot

12-01-2015, 06:36 PM

Truthers don't think the government was behind 9/11 - truthers think that a group of people were behind 9/11, a group that also controls the government.

well said.

Dr. Dog

12-01-2015, 06:42 PM

It's not bleach fuxstix.
Chlorine dioxide is a chemical compound (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_compound) with the formula ClO2. This yellowish-green gas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas) crystallizes as bright orange crystals at −59 °C. As one of several oxides of chlorine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_oxide), it is a potent and useful oxidizing agent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxidizing_agent) used in water treatment and in bleaching.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide#Safety_issues_in_water_and_supple ments

brandon

12-01-2015, 07:32 PM

I will forever remember OP as the guy who gives himself bleach enemas to cure the autism parasites he got from vaccines.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 08:05 PM

Chlorine dioxide is a chemical compound (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_compound) with the formula ClO2. This yellowish-green gas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas) crystallizes as bright orange crystals at −59 °C. As one of several oxides of chlorine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_oxide), it is a potent and useful oxidizing agent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxidizing_agent) used in water treatment and in bleaching.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide#Safety_issues_in_water_and_supple ments

OMG ... wikipedia ... again??? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. You are more boring than Zippyjuan.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 08:06 PM

I will forever remember OP as the guy who gives himself bleach enemas to cure the autism parasites he got from vaccines.

You have horrible memory, you need to get that checked out .... ummmmmmm kaaaayyyyyyy?

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 09:30 PM

OMG ... wikipedia ... again??? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. You are more boring than Zippyjuan.

Should have used the ever reliable YouTube. Everything on their is truth. True it is not identical to the chlorine bleach you use in your laundry but it is one of the most common bleaching agents used commercially so it is accurate to call it a bleach.

"It is a potent and useful oxidizing agent used in water treatment and bleaching". Only need to see the first 15 seconds unless you want to learn more about it. More about bleaching about six minutes.

"Chlorine dioxide is currently the most important bleaching method worldwide." 6:30 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0K7S4JwUkc

Dr. Dog

12-01-2015, 09:43 PM

OMG ... wikipedia ... again??? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. You are more boring than Zippyjuan.
Are you denying that chlorine dioxide is used as bleach?

Here are some more sources for you:

Chlorine dioxide is a yellow to reddish-yellow gas that can decompose rapidly in air. Because it is a hazardous gas, chlorine dioxide is always made at the location where it is used. Chlorine dioxide is used as a bleach at pulp mills, which make paper and paper products, and in public water-treatment facilities, to make water safe for drinking. It has also been used to decontaminate public buildings.

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=580&tid=108

Occupational exposure to chlorine dioxide gasmay occur during its manufacture, in the paper and pulpbleaching industries, during charging of the aqueoussolution into drums, and during its use as a sterilizingagent in hospitals, as a biocide in water treatment, and asan improving agent in flour.

http://www.who.int/ipcs/publications/cicad/en/cicad37.pdf

Chlorine dioxide is mainly used as a bleach. As a disinfectant it is effective even at low concentrations, because of its unique qualities.

http://www.lenntech.com/processes/disinfection/chemical/disinfectants-chlorine-dioxide.htm#ixzz3t8CdR71N

Papermakers who use bleached kraft pulp are likely to have heard about chlorine dioxide even if they have never set foot in a pulp mill. That's partly because it is very often present in the very last bleaching stage (D-stage), increasing the likelihood that some of it is carries over with the pulp into the paper machine system. Another reason is that it is one of the most popular biocide treatments for alkaline papermaking. Its use in that role is pretty much restricted to bleached grades, since any unbleached fibers will rapidly consume the chemical.

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~hubbe/CLO2.htm

When operating chlorine dioxide bleaching stages under mill conditions, it is important to estab-lish reasonable operating targets and ranges. We examined the relationship between optimum pH, acceptable rangefor pH control, bleaching efficiency, and mill specific parameters such as wood species, pulp quality, and chemicalcharge.

https://www.akzonobel.com/eka/system/images/AkzoNobel_DanielConnell_TappiVOL7-7-2008-Improving_chlorinedioxide_bleaching_efficiency_tcm 56-90786.pdf

Chlorine dioxide is the most widely-accepted bleaching agent used in the environmentally-preferred ECF chemical pulp bleaching process. It functions via oxidative reactions thus virtually eliminating the formation of chlorinated organic compounds. Chlorine dioxide attacks the aromatic ring of the lignin, but does not react with carbohydrates thus preserving pulp yield and giving superior pulp strength compared to other oxidants.

http://www.kemira.com/en/industries-applications/pages/chlorine-dioxide.aspx

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 09:47 PM

Note she only questions the sources and never responds to the content. Dismissing the sources means she doesn't have to read or disprove the content.

dannno

12-01-2015, 09:48 PM

Are you denying that chlorine dioxide is used as bleach?

Here are some more sources for you:

It is used as a bleach, but it is not the same as the product at the store labelled "Bleach". If you're going around saying that some people think that bleach enemas could cure autism, let's just hope that nobody who is desperate for a cure starts actually using the product "Bleach" which is highly toxic.

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 09:51 PM

Must watch video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lebxIiXfWqg

Dr. Dog

12-01-2015, 09:54 PM

It is used as a bleach, but it is not the same as the product at the store labelled "Bleach". If you're going around saying that some people think that bleach enemas could cure autism, let's just hope that nobody who is desperate for a cure starts actually using the product "Bleach" which is highly toxic.
Chlorine dioxide is also toxic.

specsaregood

12-01-2015, 09:55 PM

Zippyjuan

12-01-2015, 10:06 PM

Ok, so assuming it doesn't work to cure autism, how well does it work to cure brown eye?

Maybe. They said it gave a girl with no breasts fully developed ones after only four days and two doses of the product! (curious though why others don't report developing breasts while using it).

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 10:13 PM

Chlorine dioxide is also toxic.

Works great for me. No problems at all. Looks like you lost the argument.

http://i.imgur.com/XDB2NsH.jpg?1

ghengis86

12-01-2015, 10:47 PM

Guess no one saw my earlier post. Regardless, this is getting comical.

Please let me know how you keep chlorine dioxide in solution, in a bottle, on your shelf with no degradation? Your CDS solution is not harming you because there's no chlorine dioxide left in it! Go ahead, titrate it and let me know.

I was trying to be gracious and understanding but this is getting ridiculous. I'll go grab the Merck Index or the Habdbook of Chemistry and Physics. Or I can get all my old chem books out. This is plain old science and facts.

Dr. Dog

12-01-2015, 10:52 PM

This is plain old science and facts.
That sort of crazy talk doesn't belong in this thread.

RandPaul4Prez

12-01-2015, 11:39 PM

Ender

12-02-2015, 07:56 AM

Look Dr Dog- you neg-repped me because you say my sources are unscientific but you will support the studies made and paid for by Big Pharma?

I don't neg rep anybody- I try and have decent conversations so if you can't do that try another forum.

Ender

12-02-2015, 08:02 AM

Chlorine dioxide is also toxic.

Do you eat white flour? Guess what makes it white. ;)

Origanalist

12-02-2015, 08:03 AM

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NorthCarolinaLiberty

09-07-2017, 06:15 PM

Bump for funny post #84 I just discovered. lol

Weston White

09-08-2017, 06:36 AM

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Weston White

09-08-2017, 07:03 AM

You trust something you found on the internet over what some educated, trained professional might have to say and medicines which have actually been tested to see if they work or not. Good luck.

...Still does not make them right, for you could argue the same point about Sharia too, or even ancient priestly blood sacrifices to fictional deities.

A 2013 survey based on interviews of 38,000 Muslims, randomly selected from urban and rural parts in 39 countries using area probability designs, by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found that a majority—in some cases "overwhelming" majority—of Muslims in a number of countries support making sharia the law of the land, including Afghanistan (99%), Iraq (91%), Niger (86%), Malaysia (86%), Pakistan (84%), Morocco (83%), Bangladesh (82%), Egypt (74%), Indonesia (72%), Jordan (71%), Uganda (66%), Ethiopia (65%), Mali (63%), Ghana (58%), and Tunisia (56%).[128] In Muslim regions of Southern-Eastern Europe and Central Asia, the support is less than 50%: Russia (42%), Kyrgyzstan (35%), Tajikistan (27%), Kosovo (20%), Albania (12%), Turkey (12%), Kazakhstan (10%), Azerbaijan (8%). Regarding specific averages, in South Asia, Sharia had 84% favorability rating among the respondents; in Southeast Asia 77%; in the Middle-East/North Africa 74%; in Sub-Saharan Africa 64%; in Southern-Eastern Europe 18%; and in Central Asia 12%.