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johnwk
11-26-2015, 10:45 AM
See Outrageous: Obama disarming American cops in midst of terror alerts (http://conservativebase.com/7110069/outrageous-obama-disarming-american-cops-in-midst-of-terror-alerts/)


November 25, 2015

”At the same time that European Union countries, Canada, Australia and the United States are maintaining an alert posture in the aftermath of Islamic terrorist attacks, President Barack Obama is pushing his administration to enforce his already issued executive order to take away certain weapons and equipment away from local police and sheriff departments throughout the nation, according to a Republican lawmakeron Tuesday. This latest action follows reports that intelligence reports are being doctored to underscore Obama’s strategy and to coincide with his statements”

My family has worked for the Sheriffs' Department in Pinellas County, Florida, for many years and a number of my closest friends have been or are in law enforcement. These are everyday people just like you and me! In many instances they could be considered as your local militia. Just keep in mind these are the local residents who would first responders to any terrorist attack in your neighborhood!

My concern is not with our local law enforcement officers turning on us. It is with our federal government and a President who has done almost everything imaginable to destroy and weaken our country from within which indicates he is not beyond formulating a plan to overthrow the states by FORCE. Let us look at the facts:


The sad truth is, Obama has added more to the national debt than all other presidents combined;

He has given aid and comfort to our enemies by releasing them from GITMO;

He has attempted to strike a deal with a hostile foreign nation behind closed doors and without the consent of the United State Senate being required as commanded by our Constitution;

He is allowing a thousand Islamic "refugees" into the U.S. each month without proper screening or a requirement they renounce an allegiance to their country of origin;

He has transferred America’s weapons of defense and military technology to hostile Islamic leaders [the Islamic Brother Hood];

He has assisted an Islamic terrorist state to move forward with producing the component parts for a nuclear arsenal;

He has worked to release $150 Billion in assets to the terrorist government of Iran;

He has allowed our southern border to be invaded by the poverty stricken populations of Mexico and Central America;

He has decided to prop up the communist government of Cuba by normalizing relations, which in turn will yield a needed infusion of money to strengthen this government’s iron fist around the necks of its citizens;

He has released thousands of criminal illegal aliens from our nation’s jails into our nation’s population;

He is responsible for undermining our election process by making it easy for ineligible persons to vote;

He has interfered with our nation’s ability to develop our nation’s natural resources, namely oil, coal and natural gas, to fuel our economy;

He has worked to stifle America’s agricultural industry and ability to produce food under the guise of environmental necessity;

He has intentionally sabotaged our nation’s health care delivery system;

He has blatantly impinged upon the American People’s inalienable right to make their own choices and decisions regarding their health care and medical needs;

He is responsible for a dramatic increase in the number of people receiving food stamps;

He is responsible for a dramatic drop in fulltime employment;

He is responsible for a dramatic increase in the unemployment rate among our nation’s Black and poverty stricken youth;

He has used the force of our federal government to tax the paychecks of hard working people living in our nation’s inner cities and then transferred $ billions from our federal treasury to his inner circle friends under the guise of “green energy” [Solyndra/Chevy Volt/Fisker, Exelon, etc.];

He has repeatedly circumvented our Republican Form of Government by issuing Executive Orders and memorandums;

He has stood by and allowed his Administration to use the force of the federal government to attack "conservatives" who dare to exercise their right to freedom of speech;

And he has now started to disarm local police forces which are America’s front line in dealing with domestic terrorism or a hostile federal takeover of the United States!

Who can truthfully deny Obama is intentionally attempting to destroy America from within and ought to be viewed as a very real threat to our liberty?

JWK



When will the America People realize we have an Islamic cell operating out of our nation's White House? Will they come to this conclusion when Islamic terrorist activities begin in our southern Border States or cities like New York City?

libertyjam
11-26-2015, 11:13 AM
awwww, poor widdle coppies, getting all their new widdle toys taken away, how ever will they be able to do their widdle jobs without all those grenade launchers, bearcats, MRAPs, LRADs, flame throwers, and trac-mounted SAW's? Shoot the DD should give each department a few Mk82 retrofitted to deploy from helicopters and some obsolete Davy Crockett arty rounds if they want them as well.

limequat
11-26-2015, 11:28 AM
"These are everyday people just like you and me!"

I'm sure your friends and family are the mythical "good cops". Not the kind that flash-bang babies, or execute a mother with her kid in the car, or the kind that kills a 6 year/old autistic kid over a love triangle.

But the fact remains, that kops kill ~1000 people every year. Many with no provocation whatsoever. Terrorist deaths in American usually are less than 50.

Finally...fuck the police.

The Gold Standard
11-26-2015, 11:33 AM
This would be great news, except you know they aren't going to let us go with cops being "outgunned" by the people. The next step will be our own federally armed Sturmabteilung complete with brown shirts going around protecting and serving.

Cleaner44
11-26-2015, 11:51 AM
Domestic terrorism? Really?

No doubt Obama is a piece of shit that violates our Constitution on a daily basis. Why you are pushing a Fox News Republican agenda is odd to me.

One thing that I am sure of is that the federal government doesn't need to be giving Bear Cats and shit to police departments.

johnwk
11-26-2015, 11:53 AM
"These are everyday people just like you and me!"

I'm sure your friends and family are the mythical "good cops". Not the kind that flash-bang babies, or execute a mother with her kid in the car, or the kind that kills a 6 year/old autistic kid over a love triangle.

But the fact remains, that kops kill ~1000 people every year. Many with no provocation whatsoever. Terrorist deaths in American usually are less than 50.

Finally...fuck the police.

Tell that to the families of hundreds of officers who have been killed when responding to domestic violence cases, or active armed robberies, etc.

You should be ashamed of yourself but I'm sure you are happy to insult those who are hired to protect our communities from trash like you.


JWK

phill4paul
11-26-2015, 12:53 PM
They are not "everyday people just like you and me." Far from it. They are a protected class of government enforcers. And they are definitely not the militia. In fact the very idea of citizen militias causes them to wet their pants.
So no. You'll get no sympathy from me that they need any kind of war toys. America is not a war zone.


Tell that to the families of hundreds of officers who have been killed when responding to domestic violence cases, or active armed robberies, etc.

You should be ashamed of yourself but I'm sure you are happy to insult those who are hired to protect our communities from trash like you.


JWK

"Trash like you." Not too hard to tell that you are a copsucker. Everyone else is "trash" to them.

TheTexan
11-26-2015, 01:57 PM
Considering how well Officers protect and serve us right now, I can only imagine how well they would protect and serve us after the SHTF

We should probably let them keep their weapons. Maybe give them more tanks

Feelgood
11-26-2015, 02:19 PM
If this were only the case I would be a happy camper. The de-militarization of the criminal mob of LEO's is long over due. The level of corruption in the police force of this country makes me sick. I am sick an tired of innocent people being killed, maimed or having their personal property stolne by the scumbags with a badge. Don't even get me started on the number of family pets killed for no reason by the scumbags with a badge.

Hell if Obama were truly doing anything to disarm and de-militarize the police, I would applaud the effort! I will try to respond to some of your non-sense here. Those not responded to, I agree with.


He has given aid and comfort to our enemies by releasing them from GITMO;

Excellent, one of the few things he has done right. Gitmo is illegal and un-Constitutional. Bush should be brought up on war crimes for using Gitmo in the first place. The entire facility should be shut down.


He has attempted to strike a deal with a hostile foreign nation behind closed doors and without the consent of the United State Senate being required as commanded by our Constitution;

LOL wut? Source?


He is allowing a thousand Islamic "refugees" into the U.S. each month without proper screening or a requirement they renounce an allegiance to their country of origin;

Damn that Statue of Liberty and all she stands for....


He has transferred America’s weapons of defense and military technology to hostile Islamic leaders [the Islamic Brother Hood];

LOL wut? Source?


He has assisted an Islamic terrorist state to move forward with producing the component parts for a nuclear arsenal;

LOL wut? Source?


He has worked to release $150 Billion in assets to the terrorist government of Iran;

LOL wut? Source?


He has allowed our southern border to be invaded by the poverty stricken populations of Mexico and Central America;

You really are clueless aren't you? He hasn't done anything different the the previous 5 administrations, but Obama is the one you try to hold accountable? Really?


He has decided to prop up the communist government of Cuba by normalizing relations, which in turn will yield a needed infusion of money to strengthen this government’s iron fist around the necks of its citizens;

EXCELLENT! Sanctions should have been lifted years ago. Free trade and commerce with all, entangling alliances with none. I approve.


He has released thousands of criminal illegal aliens from our nation’s jails into our nation’s population;

LOL wut? Source?


He is responsible for undermining our election process by making it easy for ineligible persons to vote;

LOL wut? Source?


He has used the force of our federal government to tax the paychecks of hard working people living in our nation’s inner cities and then transferred $ billions from our federal treasury to his inner circle friends under the guise of “green energy” [Solyndra/Chevy Volt/Fisker, Exelon, etc.];

LOL wut? Source?


He has repeatedly circumvented our Republican Form of Government by issuing Executive Orders and memorandums;

You mean just like Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Ford, Carter, Nixon....etc etc etc all before him have done as well?


He has stood by and allowed his Administration to use the force of the federal government to attack "conservatives" who dare to exercise their right to freedom of speech;

LOL wut? Source?


And he has now started to disarm local police forces which are America’s front line in dealing with domestic terrorism or a hostile federal takeover of the United States!

GOOD!


Who can truthfully deny Obama is intentionally attempting to destroy America from within and ought to be viewed as a very real threat to our liberty?

Me!


Personally I think your post shows you are more bat shit crazy than most I have seen on here. Right off the deep end! Time for the rubber room for you. You scare me more than the 911 Truthers and Birthers combined, and that is saying something.

johnwk
11-26-2015, 02:32 PM
"Trash like you." Not too hard to tell that you are a copsucker. Everyone else is "trash" to them.

I'm sure you would be right at home with Obama's "Civilian National Security Force"!


SEE: Illegal Immigrants Protest Outside White House With No Repercussions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIvhEOdw8Iw)

Note the commonality in tee shirts indicating a well-organized effort is behind this. And this is the kind of crap we will see from now until election day from Obama’s Civilian National Security Force (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwaAVJITx1Y) which he is now importing from Mexico, Central America and even Syria by the tens of thousands each year. Although their costumes will change as seen above and their numbers will increase to hundreds and then thousands showing up at political rallies and events, their mission will be to support Obama and the Democrat Party’s socialist agenda which includes among other things amnesty for illegal aliens; free medical, dental, housing and food, and all kinds of government "free cheese".


Believe me when I say their chants and shouting will be well rehearsed and our pinko media will be at their side to interview their orchestrated sob stories while ignoring the crippling effect this ongoing invasion is having on our nation’s cities and citizens where resources are already strained to the breaking point and insufficient to help our own nation’s poor and needy! But heck, as Obama sees it, it’s all about spreading America’s wealth, especially in a manner which builds his socialist, iron-fisted governing body.


JWK




The surest way for Obama to accomplish his fundamental transformation of America is to flood America with the poverty stricken and destitute populations of other countries.

ronpaulhawaii
11-26-2015, 03:10 PM
Tell that to the families of hundreds of officers who have been killed when responding to domestic violence cases, or active armed robberies, etc.

You should be ashamed of yourself but I'm sure you are happy to insult those who are hired to protect our communities from trash like you.


JWK

No disrespect to the few good cops KIA, but you really should get your facts straight before posting here. I don't have the time to fully research, but less than 30 cops have been fatally shot this year. Meanwhile, as of Sept 1, 161 unarmed people have been killed by cops.

Further, the Tyrant in Chief is not taking away most of the overkill weapons that cops currently have, the list includes: armored tracked vehicles, weaponized aircraft and vehicles, .50-caliber firearms and ammo, bayonets, and camouflage.

Looks to me to just be pandering to his base...

Origanalist
11-26-2015, 03:10 PM
See Outrageous: Obama disarming American cops in midst of terror alerts (http://conservativebase.com/7110069/outrageous-obama-disarming-american-cops-in-midst-of-terror-alerts/)


November 25, 2015

”At the same time that European Union countries, Canada, Australia and the United States are maintaining an alert posture in the aftermath of Islamic terrorist attacks, President Barack Obama is pushing his administration to enforce his already issued executive order to take away certain weapons and equipment away from local police and sheriff departments throughout the nation, according to a Republican lawmakeron Tuesday. This latest action follows reports that intelligence reports are being doctored to underscore Obama’s strategy and to coincide with his statements”

My family has worked for the Sheriffs' Department in Pinellas County, Florida, for many years and a number of my closest friends have been or are in law enforcement. These are everyday people just like you and me! In many instances they could be considered as your local militia. Just keep in mind these are the local residents who would first responders to any terrorist attack in your neighborhood!

My concern is not with our local law enforcement officers turning on us. It is with our federal government and a President who has done almost everything imaginable to destroy and weaken our country from within which indicates he is not beyond formulating a plan to overthrow the states by FORCE. Let us look at the facts:


The sad truth is, Obama has added more to the national debt than all other presidents combined;

He has given aid and comfort to our enemies by releasing them from GITMO;

He has attempted to strike a deal with a hostile foreign nation behind closed doors and without the consent of the United State Senate being required as commanded by our Constitution;

He is allowing a thousand Islamic "refugees" into the U.S. each month without proper screening or a requirement they renounce an allegiance to their country of origin;

He has transferred America’s weapons of defense and military technology to hostile Islamic leaders [the Islamic Brother Hood];

He has assisted an Islamic terrorist state to move forward with producing the component parts for a nuclear arsenal;

He has worked to release $150 Billion in assets to the terrorist government of Iran;

He has allowed our southern border to be invaded by the poverty stricken populations of Mexico and Central America;

He has decided to prop up the communist government of Cuba by normalizing relations, which in turn will yield a needed infusion of money to strengthen this government’s iron fist around the necks of its citizens;

He has released thousands of criminal illegal aliens from our nation’s jails into our nation’s population;

He is responsible for undermining our election process by making it easy for ineligible persons to vote;

He has interfered with our nation’s ability to develop our nation’s natural resources, namely oil, coal and natural gas, to fuel our economy;

He has worked to stifle America’s agricultural industry and ability to produce food under the guise of environmental necessity;

He has intentionally sabotaged our nation’s health care delivery system;

He has blatantly impinged upon the American People’s inalienable right to make their own choices and decisions regarding their health care and medical needs;

He is responsible for a dramatic increase in the number of people receiving food stamps;

He is responsible for a dramatic drop in fulltime employment;

He is responsible for a dramatic increase in the unemployment rate among our nation’s Black and poverty stricken youth;

He has used the force of our federal government to tax the paychecks of hard working people living in our nation’s inner cities and then transferred $ billions from our federal treasury to his inner circle friends under the guise of “green energy” [Solyndra/Chevy Volt/Fisker, Exelon, etc.];

He has repeatedly circumvented our Republican Form of Government by issuing Executive Orders and memorandums;

He has stood by and allowed his Administration to use the force of the federal government to attack "conservatives" who dare to exercise their right to freedom of speech;

And he has now started to disarm local police forces which are America’s front line in dealing with domestic terrorism or a hostile federal takeover of the United States!

Who can truthfully deny Obama is intentionally attempting to destroy America from within and ought to be viewed as a very real threat to our liberty?

JWK



When will the America People realize we have an Islamic cell operating out of our nation's White House? Will they come to this conclusion when Islamic terrorist activities begin in our southern Border States or cities like New York City?

I disagree with Obama on many things, taking away military equipment from police isn't one of them. And you assertion that they are "everyday people" is laughable. They sure don't behave that way.

ChristianAnarchist
11-26-2015, 03:31 PM
"These are everyday people just like you and me!"

I'm sure your friends and family are the mythical "good cops". Not the kind that flash-bang babies, or execute a mother with her kid in the car, or the kind that kills a 6 year/old autistic kid over a love triangle.

But the fact remains, that kops kill ~1000 people every year. Many with no provocation whatsoever. Terrorist deaths in American usually are less than 50.

Finally...fuck the police.

Only 1073 people killed by police this year (well, there may be some not on this list)...

http://www.killedbypolice.net/

phill4paul
11-26-2015, 03:31 PM
I'm sure you would be right at home with Obama's "Civilian National Security Force"!

Yup. Got me pegged. :rolleyes:

johnwk
11-26-2015, 03:35 PM
I disagree with Obama on many things, taking away military equipment from police isn't one of them. And you assertion that they are "everyday people" is laughable. They sure don't behave that way.

Just for the record my friend, when I was born my folks lived in East Harlem, and I spent the first 20-25 years of my life growing up with Blacks and Puerto Ricans. So I do understand your hatred toward scumbag cops. I saw with my own eyes and suffered the consequences of the types you refer to. Aside from that, my only advice is to make the distinction between those officers who are honorable and do put their lives on the line for community members, regardless of their skin color, from the few pieces of shit who abuse their office of public trust.

Sincerely!

JWK



The surest way for Obama to accomplish his fundamental transformation of America is to flood America with the poverty stricken and destitute populations of other countries.

johnwk
11-26-2015, 03:41 PM
No disrespect to the few good cops KIA, but you really should get your facts straight before posting here. I don't have the time to fully research, but less than 30 cops have been fatally shot this year. Meanwhile, as of Sept 1, 161 unarmed people have been killed by cops.

...

I didn't give any time period in which police officers have been killed in the line of duty. Perhaps you should learn to read carefully and comprehend what you read.

JWK

idiom
11-26-2015, 04:50 PM
And he has now started to disarm local police forces which are America’s front line in dealing with domestic terrorism or a hostile federal takeover of the United States!

Bullshit. Civilians are the first line. They should be armed.

Police are officers of the law and courts, there to prosecute crime after the fact. By calmly representing the inevitability of the state, they should never need to actually use force.

johnwk
11-26-2015, 04:54 PM
Bullshit. Civilians are the first line. They should be armed.

Police are officers of the law and courts, there to prosecute crime after the fact. By calmly representing the inevitability of the state, they should never need to actually use force.


You have more confidence in our federal government and Obama than you neighbors who make up your local police force and would be the first responders to an organized terrorist event?

JWK





The surest way for Obama to accomplish his fundamental transformation of America is to flood America with the poverty stricken and destitute populations of other countries.

The Gold Standard
11-26-2015, 04:58 PM
You have more confidence in our federal government and Obama than you neighbors who make up your local police force and would be the first responders to an organized terrorist event?

Nope. I would have confidence in none of them. The federal government probably orchestrated the attack and the local kops would use the opportunity to ransack and loot our homes without cause, killing anyone who dares to ask where the warrant is.

limequat
11-26-2015, 08:05 PM
You have more confidence in our federal government and Obama than you neighbors who make up your local police force and would be the first responders to an organized terrorist event?

JWK





The surest way for Obama to accomplish his fundamental transformation of America is to flood America with the poverty stricken and destitute populations of other countries.




Seems like any time there's an active shooter, the Kops' strategy is to wait at a safe distance until the shooter runs out of ammo.

heavenlyboy34
11-26-2015, 08:22 PM
How can the OP be a member since '08 and be so ignorant? :eek:

Dr.3D
11-26-2015, 08:24 PM
How can the OP be a member since '08 and be so ignorant? :eek:
Some become members and then seldom visit.

idiom
11-26-2015, 08:39 PM
You have more confidence in our federal government and Obama than you neighbors who make up your local police force and would be the first responders to an organized terrorist event?

JWK





The surest way for Obama to accomplish his fundamental transformation of America is to flood America with the poverty stricken and destitute populations of other countries.




America has repeatedly been flooded by the poverty stricken and destitute.

We give them guns and civil rights and they become Americans too.

Police don't make you safe.

Take the cops guns away, give them to the legal immigrants. This policy has always made America stronger.

tod evans
11-26-2015, 08:43 PM
Respectable "local" police forces do not requisition military gear.

If communities require such gear I'd rather see it going to farmers/volunteer fire departments or just average citizens.

Kops of any stripe are seldom suited for any more than forcible code enforcement and should really be barred from possessing firearms while on duty.

Arming the stupidest most malleable and aggressive people in town with the most powerful weapons isn't the best idea I've heard......

Anti Federalist
11-27-2015, 12:06 AM
Tell that to the families of hundreds of officers who have been killed when responding to domestic violence cases, or active armed robberies, etc.

You should be ashamed of yourself but I'm sure you are happy to insult those who are hired to protect our communities from trash like you.


JWK

Funny you should put it that way.

Garbagemen have a much higher death and injury rate than cops.

This is not occupied territory and cops are not military conquerors.

They do not need to be armed by the central government as such.

Anti Federalist
11-27-2015, 12:10 AM
You have more confidence in our federal government and Obama than you neighbors who make up your local police force and would be the first responders to an organized terrorist event?

After Hurricane Katrina, when there was a very real and concrete need for citizens to be armed, to protect themselves and their neighborhoods, it was the local police, working in conjunction with state and federal forces, that disarmed the people and left them helpless.

XNavyNuke
11-27-2015, 09:04 AM
Bullshit. Civilians are the first line. They should be armed.

Police are officers of the law and courts, there to prosecute crime after the fact. By calmly representing the inevitability of the state, they should never need to actually use force.

Police forces of nations are always "civilian" except under very specific circumstances in times of war. Departments love to have people believe that is not the case. They go out of their way to portray themselves otherwise, as somehow set apart. They convince politicians to set up "civilian" review boards, to pass laws that have special penalties for themselves and "civilians", to establish policies for lethal force that are different from what "civilians" can do.

The Geneva Conventions clearly establish the conditions when police and paramilitary forces lose their status as civilians.

XNN

ChristianAnarchist
11-27-2015, 09:22 AM
After Hurricane Katrina, when there was a very real and concrete need for citizens to be armed, to protect themselves and their neighborhoods, it was the local police, working in conjunction with state and federal forces, that disarmed the people and left them helpless.

Ok, I want to + rep you but this crazy forum software has been telling me I must spread some rep around before giving to you again. What exactly IS the rep rule anyway? I don't think I've been able to + rep you for at least a month...

johnwk
11-27-2015, 10:07 AM
How can the OP be a member since '08 and be so ignorant? :eek:

Your ignorant opinion is noted.

JWK

johnwk
11-27-2015, 10:09 AM
After Hurricane Katrina, when there was a very real and concrete need for citizens to be armed, to protect themselves and their neighborhoods, it was the local police, working in conjunction with state and federal forces, that disarmed the people and left them helpless.


And why were those police not punished? Were they not acting beyond their constitutionally authorized duties?


JWK

tod evans
11-27-2015, 10:40 AM
And why were those police not punished?


Who's going to "punish" them, more police?

Expecting the police to police the police doesn't work out well.....

Anti Federalist
11-27-2015, 12:25 PM
And why were those police not punished? Were they not acting beyond their constitutionally authorized duties?

JWK

That's a good question, one I have been asking myself for 10 years now.

When you find out, be sure to post it.

Maybe you can find out why the cops that have destroyed thousands and thousands of people, pets and homes for no good reason, over that same period have not "been punished" either.

NewRightLibertarian
11-27-2015, 12:57 PM
If this is true, good. Take away every gun away from these low-IQ uniformed state thugs, and we'll all be a lot safer.

And that's the fact of the matter no matter what smoke has been blown up your ass by some talk radio dipshits and FOX News propagandist, badge-worshiping retards.

ronpaulhawaii
11-27-2015, 04:42 PM
I didn't give any time period in which police officers have been killed in the line of duty. Perhaps you should learn to read carefully and comprehend what you read.

JWK

I read/comprehend just fine, and your lame attempt at insult is noted. Of course you didn't include a timeframe, because it seems you just want to sling BS rhetoric rather than discuss anything of substance

ronpaulhawaii
11-27-2015, 05:24 PM
Hmmm... even police departments disagree with the premise of the OP


“There are times when military-style equipment is essential for public safety, but they are very rare," Burlington Police Chief Brandon del Pozo, a former NYPD Deputy Inspector, told Mychamplainvalley.com.


"Between our partners in the Vermont State Police and the Vermont National Guard, as well as the other federal and local agencies, we have the resources to handle all but the most inconceivable public safety scenarios."


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/vermont-police-department-no-military-equipment-article-1.2411921

Contumacious
11-27-2015, 05:40 PM
See Outrageous: Obama disarming American cops in midst of terror alerts (http://conservativebase.com/7110069/outrageous-obama-disarming-american-cops-in-midst-of-terror-alerts/)


November 25, 2015

”At the same time that European Union countries, Canada, Australia and the United States are maintaining an alert posture in the aftermath of Islamic terrorist attacks, President Barack Obama is pushing his administration to enforce his already issued executive order to take away certain weapons and equipment away from local police and sheriff departments throughout the nation, according to a Republican lawmakeron Tuesday. This latest action follows reports that intelligence reports are being doctored to underscore Obama’s strategy and to coincide with his statements”

My family has worked for the Sheriffs' Department in Pinellas County, Florida, for many years and a number of my closest friends have been or are in law enforcement. These are everyday people just like you and me! In many instances they could be considered as your local militia. Just keep in mind these are the local residents who would first responders to any terrorist attack in your neighborhood!

My concern is not with our local law enforcement officers turning on us. It is with our federal government and a President who has done almost everything imaginable to destroy and weaken our country from within which indicates he is not beyond formulating a plan to overthrow the states by FORCE. Let us look at the facts:


The sad truth is, Obama has added more to the national debt than all other presidents combined;

He has given aid and comfort to our enemies by releasing them from GITMO;

He has attempted to strike a deal with a hostile foreign nation behind closed doors and without the consent of the United State Senate being required as commanded by our Constitution;

He is allowing a thousand Islamic "refugees" into the U.S. each month without proper screening or a requirement they renounce an allegiance to their country of origin;

He has transferred America’s weapons of defense and military technology to hostile Islamic leaders [the Islamic Brother Hood];

He has assisted an Islamic terrorist state to move forward with producing the component parts for a nuclear arsenal;

He has worked to release $150 Billion in assets to the terrorist government of Iran;

He has allowed our southern border to be invaded by the poverty stricken populations of Mexico and Central America;

He has decided to prop up the communist government of Cuba by normalizing relations, which in turn will yield a needed infusion of money to strengthen this government’s iron fist around the necks of its citizens;

He has released thousands of criminal illegal aliens from our nation’s jails into our nation’s population;

He is responsible for undermining our election process by making it easy for ineligible persons to vote;

He has interfered with our nation’s ability to develop our nation’s natural resources, namely oil, coal and natural gas, to fuel our economy;

He has worked to stifle America’s agricultural industry and ability to produce food under the guise of environmental necessity;

He has intentionally sabotaged our nation’s health care delivery system;

He has blatantly impinged upon the American People’s inalienable right to make their own choices and decisions regarding their health care and medical needs;

He is responsible for a dramatic increase in the number of people receiving food stamps;

He is responsible for a dramatic drop in fulltime employment;

He is responsible for a dramatic increase in the unemployment rate among our nation’s Black and poverty stricken youth;

He has used the force of our federal government to tax the paychecks of hard working people living in our nation’s inner cities and then transferred $ billions from our federal treasury to his inner circle friends under the guise of “green energy” [Solyndra/Chevy Volt/Fisker, Exelon, etc.];

He has repeatedly circumvented our Republican Form of Government by issuing Executive Orders and memorandums;

He has stood by and allowed his Administration to use the force of the federal government to attack "conservatives" who dare to exercise their right to freedom of speech;

And he has now started to disarm local police forces which are America’s front line in dealing with domestic terrorism or a hostile federal takeover of the United States!

Who can truthfully deny Obama is intentionally attempting to destroy America from within and ought to be viewed as a very real threat to our liberty?

JWK



When will the America People realize we have an Islamic cell operating out of our nation's White House? Will they come to this conclusion when Islamic terrorist activities begin in our southern Border States or cities like New York City?



DISARM THE MOTHERFUCKERS

IN ORDER TO PROTECT AMERICANS ****ABOLISH GUN FREE ZONES********



Police Are More Dangerous To The Public Than Are Criminals


The American police perform no positive function. They pose a much larger threat to citizens than do the criminals who operate without a police badge. Americans would be safer if the police forces were abolished.

The police have been militarized and largely federalized by the Pentagon and the gestapo Homeland Security. The role of the federal government in equipping state and local police with military weapons, including tanks, and training in their use has essentially removed the police from state and local control. No matter how brutal any police officer, it is rare that any suffer more than a few months suspension, usually with full pay, while a report is concocted that clears them of any wrong doing.

In America today, police murder with impunity. All the psychopaths have to say is, “I thought his wallet was a gun,” or “we had to taser the unconscious guy we found lying on the ground, because he wouldn’t obey our commands to get up.”

There are innumerable cases of 240 pound cop psychopaths beating a 115 pound woman black and blue. Or handcuffing and carting off to jail 6 and 7 year old boys for having a dispute on the school playground."

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nobody's_hero
11-28-2015, 02:03 AM
I find the story a bit hard to believe. We've been arming local police departments to the teeth over the past few decades with decommissioned military equipment. So suddenly he's gonna take all that away?

The Federal government gives this stuff away to keep local departments on a tight leash. You want the cool toys? You gotta enforce our laws.

BUTSRSLY
11-28-2015, 03:31 AM
THANKS OBAMA

CPUd
11-28-2015, 03:51 AM
LOL the OP sure picked the wrong place to drop this steaming pile of Bircher propaganda. Maybe it would have been better received if his fonts were bigger.

johnwk
11-28-2015, 09:56 AM
I find the story a bit hard to believe. We've been arming local police departments to the teeth over the past few decades with decommissioned military equipment. So suddenly he's gonna take all that away?



Disarming local authority makes it easier for Obama to tighten his iron fist of the federal government around the necks of the American People.

Have we forgotten Obama's promise to create his own Civilian National Security Force (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwaAVJITx1Y) which he has been importing from Mexico, Central America, and now Syria?

I imagine most posters here recall the Tiananmen Square Massacre of 1989. But I suspect it is not common knowledge that a couple of divisions of the People’s Liberation Army were brought in from remote provinces to deal with the protestors because it was thought local divisions would not fire upon the protestors and could actually be supporters of the uprising.

Since Obama’s election the estimated number of Muslims acquiring permanent residency in the United States has jumped to about 100,000 a year, many of whom are from the war torn Mid East countries where one religious faction lives to kill the other. In addition we also have the tens of thousands invading our borders from Mexico and Central America.

JWK

nobody's_hero
11-28-2015, 10:10 AM
Disarming local authority makes it easier for Obama to tighten his iron fist of the federal government around the necks of the American People.

Have we forgotten Obama's promise to create his own Civilian National Security Force (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwaAVJITx1Y) which he has been importing from Mexico, Central America, and now Syria?

I imagine most posters here recall the Tiananmen Square Massacre of 1989. But I suspect it is not common knowledge that a couple of divisions of the People’s Liberation Army were brought in from remote provinces to deal with the protestors because it was thought local divisions would not fire upon the protestors and could actually be supporters of the uprising.

Since Obama’s election the estimated number of Muslims acquiring permanent residency in the United States has jumped to about 100,000 a year, many of whom are from the war torn Mid East countries where one religious faction lives to kill the other. In addition we also have the tens of thousands invading our borders from Mexico and Central America.

JWK


Sure, it would make it easier *if* local PD or Sheriff offices had any inclination whatsoever to resist federal tyranny.

The method of operation for the past several decades has been to 'buy' the support of local law enforcement with cool gadgetry and firepower, in exchange for them carrying out unconstitutional federal policies with those toys. I just skeptical of the story, because I don't think Obama has any plans to reverse that trend. Why disarm local law enforcement departments when it is much more viable to usurp them and use them as extensions of the federal government?

phill4paul
11-28-2015, 10:15 AM
How can the OP be a member since '08 and be so ignorant? :eek:


And why were those police not punished? Were they not acting beyond their constitutionally authorized duties?
JWK

HVAC's doppleganger.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?485904-The-wisdom-of-federalism-our-Constitution%92s-plan!

johnwk
11-28-2015, 10:44 AM
HVAC's doppleganger.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?485904-The-wisdom-of-federalism-our-Constitution%92s-plan!

What am I supposed to glean from your above post?

JWK

fisharmor
11-28-2015, 10:54 AM
Just for the record my friend, when I was born my folks lived in East Harlem, and I spent the first 20-25 years of my life growing up with Blacks and Puerto Ricans. So I do understand your hatred toward scumbag cops. I saw with my own eyes and suffered the consequences of the types you refer to. Aside from that, my only advice is to make the distinction between those officers who are honorable and do put their lives on the line for community members, regardless of their skin color, from the few pieces of shit who abuse their office of public trust.

Sincerely!

JWK
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You admit that there are scumbag cops.
You also think there are noble cops.
If they were really interested in protecting people, why do they even leave their locker room?

You say "grew up" so I assume at least a decade has passed since you saw this evidence. Was that not enough time to clean up the department?
FFS, dude, the entire third Reich rose and fell in a decade. And you expect us to believe that a bunch of people who are "trying to protect us" can't even broach the topic of their corrupt thug coworkers in a similar amount of time?

I pointed out when Freddie Gray was murdered that they have a term for what they did: it is called a 'nickel ride', named after amusement park rides that cost five cents. Amusement park rides haven't cost a nickel since the 40's. That means that they've had a specific name for that abuse for at least 70 years. It also means that they've been doing it frequently enough that about four generations of kids who grew up with three dollar rides to learn the old name for it.

No, sorry, but you lose the 'there are good cops' argument, and you lose it by a lot. The only place we have any actual evidence that thee is any such thing as an objectively good cop is in theaters and on TV.
Reality has a very different story to tell. Reality shows us that the idea youre trying to spread here is horseshit.

It is really easy to see if you spend some time dwelling on the fact that Andy Taylor is a character on a tv show. And frankly we are several years past the time when you should have come to this conclusion.

johnwk
11-28-2015, 11:03 AM
Sure, it would make it easier *if* local PD or Sheriff offices had any inclination whatsoever to resist federal tyranny.



I can't speak for other local PD or Sheriff Departments, but most of the rank and file Sheriff Deputies and families which my family know here in Pinellas County are very aware and concerned about our federal government's lust for power, and I do not believe they would turn on their neighbors should the federal government attempt an armed take over. Likewise, a number of vets who have returned from the middle east are also concerned about our federal government and tell me the vast majority of our military personal would not turn against the American People and are likewise concerned over this Administration's overreach.

What I am sure of is, we are living in very dangerous times with a number of threats to the vey fabric of our system of government, and I hope cool minds and wisdom prevails over knee-jerk reaction and "libertarian" extremism which amounts to anarchy!

JWK

johnwk
11-28-2015, 11:06 AM
You admit that there are scumbag cops.
You also think there are noble cops.
If they were really interested in protecting people, why do they even leave their locker room? . . . snipped.

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What an absurd and adolescent post.

JWK

Contumacious
11-28-2015, 11:27 AM
You admit that there are scumbag cops.
You also think there are noble cops.
If they were really interested in protecting people, why do they even leave their locker room?

You say "grew up" so I assume at least a decade has passed since you saw this evidence. Was that not enough time to clean up the department?
FFS, dude, the entire third Reich rose and fell in a decade. And you expect us to believe that a bunch of people who are "trying to protect us" can't even broach the topic of their corrupt thug coworkers in a similar amount of time?

I pointed out when Freddie Gray was murdered that they have a term for what they did: it is called a 'nickel ride', named after amusement park rides that cost five cents. Amusement park rides haven't cost a nickel since the 40's. That means that they've had a specific name for that abuse for at least 70 years. It also means that they've been doing it frequently enough that about four generations of kids who grew up with three dollar rides to learn the old name for it.

No, sorry, but you lose the 'there are good cops' argument, and you lose it by a lot. The only place we have any actual evidence that thee is any such thing as an objectively good cop is in theaters and on TV.
Reality has a very different story to tell. Reality shows us that the idea youre trying to spread here is horseshit.

It is really easy to see if you spend some time dwelling on the fact that Andy Taylor is a character on a tv show. And frankly we are several years past the time when you should have come to this conclusion.

http://thirdpartease.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/smiley-face-thumbs-up-cartoon-Kijgzoeiq-newsize.jpg

tod evans
11-28-2015, 11:42 AM
I can't speak for other local PD or Sheriff Departments, but most of the rank and file Sheriff Deputies and families which my family know here in Pinellas County are very aware and concerned about our federal government's lust for power, and I do not believe they would turn on their neighbors should the federal government attempt an armed take over. Likewise, a number of vets who have returned from the middle east are also concerned about our federal government and tell me the vast majority of our military personal would not turn against the American People and are likewise concerned over this Administration's overreach.

What I am sure of is, we are living in very dangerous times with a number of threats to the vey fabric of our system of government, and I hope cool minds and wisdom prevails over knee-jerk reaction and "libertarian" extremism which amounts to anarchy!

JWK

The government you claim to want to protect has brought the country to the state it's in.

Why would you want to continue with what obviously hasn't been working?

When those kops you and your family know refuse to work for any federally funded entity then maybe they'd be worth giving a listen to until then they're just more federal whores paying lip-service to "The American Way of Life"...

People drawing checks from DC cannot be trusted to oppose DC.

johnwk
11-28-2015, 11:50 AM
The government you claim to want to protect has brought the country to the state it's in.

Why would you want to continue with what obviously hasn't been working?

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Your premise is in error. What I support and defend is our written Constitution and its documented legislative intent. I do not support any government elected under our Constitution which acts in rebellion to our Constitution.

JWK

Anti Federalist
11-28-2015, 11:50 AM
I can't speak for other local PD or Sheriff Departments, but most of the rank and file Sheriff Deputies and families which my family know here in Pinellas County are very aware and concerned about our federal government's lust for power, and I do not believe they would turn on their neighbors should the federal government attempt an armed take over.

Likewise, a number of vets who have returned from the middle east are also concerned about our federal government and tell me the vast majority of our military personal would not turn against the American People and are likewise concerned over this Administration's overreach.

What I am sure of is, we are living in very dangerous times with a number of threats to the vey fabric of our system of government, and I hope cool minds and wisdom prevails over knee-jerk reaction and "libertarian" extremism which amounts to anarchy!

JWK

I already pointed out a major "real life" situation where they did just that.

Your pals on the police force will follow orders when the time comes.

They will follow orders, ruthlessly, and with no regard for friendship, family standing, or position in town.

And you will be left standing there, disarmed and helpless, (or worse), wondering what the fuck just happened.

Anti Federalist
11-28-2015, 11:52 AM
Your premise is in error. What I support and defend is our written Constitution and its documented legislative intent. I do not support any government elected under our Constitution which acts in rebellion to our Constitution.

JWK

And who is gonna call them on that?

Rest assured, the government judges will be sure to declare everything the government is doing is legal and constitutional.

tod evans
11-28-2015, 12:00 PM
The government you claim to want to protect has brought the country to the state it's in.

Why would you want to continue with what obviously hasn't been working?



Your premise is in error. What I support and defend is our written Constitution and its documented legislative intent. I do not support any government elected under our Constitution which acts in rebellion to our Constitution.

JWK

Which "premise" is in error?

That you claim to want to protect the government that has brought us to the state we're in?



What I am sure of is, we are living in very dangerous times with a number of threats to the vey fabric of our system of government, and I hope cool minds and wisdom prevails over knee-jerk reaction and "libertarian" extremism which amounts to anarchy!


Or that you want to continue with what hasn't been working?

I can only respond to what you type..........

TheTexan
11-28-2015, 12:26 PM
If this is true, good. Take away every gun away from these low-IQ uniformed state thugs, and we'll all be a lot safer.

Yes, then we have no excuse for getting rid of all guns.

Then we can be safe like London.

tod evans
11-28-2015, 12:32 PM
Yes, then we have no excuse for getting rid of all guns.

Then we can be safe like London.

I don't have a problem with kops having guns when they're not "on duty" and protected by qualified immunity.

Even stupid people should be armed.

TheTexan
11-28-2015, 12:38 PM
I don't have a problem with kops having guns when they're not "on duty" and protected by qualified immunity.

Even stupid people should be armed.

Ya, there are sometimes good reasons to infringe the 2nd amendment

tod evans
11-28-2015, 12:43 PM
Ya, there are sometimes good reasons to infringe the 2nd amendment

Such as the government has done to "felons"?

Kops have maimed and killed more people acting under the color of law than felons have.

That said, I'm good with absolutely no restrictions on firearm ownership/possession and absolutely no qualified immunity...

johnwk
11-28-2015, 05:15 PM
Which "premise" is in error?

That you claim to want to protect the government that has brought us to the state we're in?



Or that you want to continue with what hasn't been working?

I can only respond to what you type..........

And you intentionally ignore what I type.

JWK

NewRightLibertarian
11-28-2015, 05:17 PM
Yes, then we have no excuse for getting rid of all guns.

Then we can be safe like London.

How would they take away all the guns without the state-sanctioned armed robbers and murders around to enforce it?

TheTexan
11-28-2015, 05:20 PM
How would they take away all the guns without the state-sanctioned armed robbers and murders around to enforce it?

The same way Great Britain did it, by asking nicely I guess

austin870
11-28-2015, 05:53 PM
We, as citizens, have to redefine our local police service to us. It has gone on too long with the police deciding what they will enforce and how as well as what weapons "they" chose to use against us.

The current situation makes as much sense as the lowest workers in a company deciding their job duties and priorities within the company with no regard for those paying them. Most of their duties would consist of making things harder on management and losing company revenue while increasing their own. Who needs them?

I guarantee revenue collecting activities like tickets would move from the top to the bottom. What really needs to happen is the citizens have to detach their local police departments completely from the federal and state governments.

State and federal resources should only be used when specifically asked for and local LE retains lead supervisory positions.

osan
11-28-2015, 06:03 PM
So basically what we have here is a case of Bammy actually doing something correct.

As they say, even a broken clock is right once in a while.

If someone is expecting me to be all sad and worried that the out of control police are being systematically disarmed, I am afraid they are due for deep disappointment.

The object of my concern would be what has Bammy in mind by disarming the cops and what fate awaits all the military equipment. That is, who is likely to get their hands on it? Would, after letting half a million "Syrian 'refugees'" into the land, they by some crazy fluke all decide to go Tet on us and just happen to gain access to all that hardware because someone was asleep at the gate?

The mind reels at the possibilities of what Theye may have in store for us.

osan
11-28-2015, 06:11 PM
I can't speak for other local PD or Sheriff Departments, but most of the rank and file Sheriff Deputies and families which my family know here in Pinellas County are very aware and concerned about our federal government's lust for power, and I do not believe they would turn on their neighbors should the federal government attempt an armed take over.

I hate to break it to you, but they already have turned on their neighbors when they chose to enforce unconstitutional statutes and policies in violation of their sworn oaths to defend and uphold the Constitution.

Origanalist
11-28-2015, 06:48 PM
I hate to break it to you, but they already have turned on their neighbors when they chose to enforce unconstitutional statutes and policies in violation of their sworn oaths to defend and uphold the Constitution.

And I just blew my rep on the previous post...:(

Origanalist
11-28-2015, 06:51 PM
HVAC's doppleganger.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?485904-The-wisdom-of-federalism-our-Constitution%92s-plan!

lol

Origanalist
11-28-2015, 06:52 PM
FrankRep lives.

Origanalist
11-28-2015, 06:54 PM
Sadly, the police did this to themselves.

osan
11-28-2015, 07:14 PM
Fixed that fer'ye:


We, as free men, have to eliminate our local police by whatever means circumstance requires. It has gone on too long with the police deciding that our individual, "mundane" lives have no value and that they hold life and death decision-making authority over us all.

The current situation makes as much sense as two monkeys humping a football.

I guarantee revenue collecting activities like tickets would go extinct the moment kops lead the way. What really needs to happen is the citizens have to detach their local police departments completely from existence.

State and federal resources should follow suit.

NewRightLibertarian
11-28-2015, 07:53 PM
The same way Great Britain did it, by asking nicely I guess

WRONG. The correct answer is: They can't.

Sorry to blow up whatever stupid point you were trying to make. But really, you should feel ashamed of yourself for ever attempting it in the first place.

Contumacious
11-28-2015, 08:27 PM
Such as the government has done to "felons"?

Kops have maimed and killed more people acting under the color of law than felons have.

That said, I'm good with absolutely no restrictions on firearm ownership/possession and absolutely no qualified immunity...

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO AUTHORITY ---NONE-----TO EVEN THINK - TO REGULATE FIREARMS.


ALL SUCH REGULATIONS CONSTITUTION A BOLD FACE USURPATION OF POWER.


.

nobody's_hero
11-29-2015, 12:17 PM
I can't speak for other local PD or Sheriff Departments, but most of the rank and file Sheriff Deputies and families which my family know here in Pinellas County are very aware and concerned about our federal government's lust for power, and I do not believe they would turn on their neighbors should the federal government attempt an armed take over. Likewise, a number of vets who have returned from the middle east are also concerned about our federal government and tell me the vast majority of our military personal would not turn against the American People and are likewise concerned over this Administration's overreach.

What I am sure of is, we are living in very dangerous times with a number of threats to the vey fabric of our system of government, and I hope cool minds and wisdom prevails over knee-jerk reaction and "libertarian" extremism which amounts to anarchy!

JWK

You haven't lived until you've bashed through the side of someone's house with an ex-mil MRAP given to your department with grants.

To me, that is the worst kind of anarchy, when the government itself operates without any bounds.

As for Pinellas:

http://www.tbo.com/pinellas-county/pinellas-schools-add-m-16-rifles-to-police-cache-20140917/

So John, how many cool toys have you given your local police department? So, ahem, when the line is drawn, how much butter is on your side of their bread? Are you sure you'd have their support? Uncle Sam already bribed them. What have you got?

—Just think about it.

johnwk
11-29-2015, 06:02 PM
You haven't lived until you've bashed through the side of someone's house with an ex-mil MRAP given to your department with grants.

To me, that is the worst kind of anarchy, when the government itself operates without any bounds.



Now you are talking about law breaking! Whether police or civilians break the law they ought to be punished! Law breakers, and police department equipment, are two entirely different matters.


JWK

tod evans
11-29-2015, 06:29 PM
Now you are talking about law breaking! Whether police or civilians break the law they ought to be punished! Law breakers, and police department equipment, are two entirely different matters.


JWK

https://m.popkey.co/4d37a0/Zozl_f-maxage-0.gif

Slave Mentality
11-29-2015, 07:32 PM
Now you are talking about law breaking! Whether police or civilians break the law they ought to be punished! Law breakers, and police department equipment, are two entirely different matters.


JWK

This has to be a fucking joke. School resource officer?

Pigs are civilians by the way.

idiom
11-30-2015, 03:55 PM
Why do police need guns when its illegal for criminals to have guns?

Dr.3D
11-30-2015, 04:09 PM
I hate to break it to you, but they already have turned on their neighbors when they chose to enforce unconstitutional statutes and policies in violation of their sworn oaths to defend and uphold the Constitution.
I suspect they are not intelligent enough to understand that concept.

johnwk
11-30-2015, 04:19 PM
I suspect they are not intelligent enough to understand that concept.

The concept some are unable to understand is when the few "...enforce unconstitutional statutes and policies in violation of their sworn oaths to defend and uphold the Constitution" they ought to be indicted and punished to the fullest extent of the law. Perhaps the fault is with our State Attorney Generals office who refuse to punish the filth which has infiltrated into our local police departments.


JWK


Obama is the worst President ever! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9ixOsjut3E)

Dr.3D
11-30-2015, 04:28 PM
The concept some are unable to understand is when the few "...enforce unconstitutional statutes and policies in violation of their sworn oaths to defend and uphold the Constitution" they ought to be indicted and punished to the fullest extent of the law. Perhaps the fault is with our State Attorney Generals office who refuse to punish the filth which has infiltrated into our local police departments.


JWK


Obama is the worst President ever! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9ixOsjut3E)

But they are not capable of understanding what unconstitutional statutes and policies they are enforcing. Most never even think about it and think they are just following orders.

tod evans
11-30-2015, 05:03 PM
The concept some are unable to understand is when the few "...enforce unconstitutional statutes and policies in violation of their sworn oaths to defend and uphold the Constitution" they ought to be indicted and punished to the fullest extent of the law. Perhaps the fault is with our State Attorney Generals office who refuse to punish the filth which has infiltrated into our local police departments.



Hmmm,

Ever notice anyone calling for the evisceration of DA's and AUSA's on this board?

osan
11-30-2015, 05:33 PM
Sadly, the police did this to themselves.

Oh GOD let us hope so.