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twomp
11-17-2015, 03:44 PM
Between 1989 and 2010, U.S. attorneys seized an estimated $12.6 billion in asset forfeiture cases. The growth rate during that time averaged +19.4% annually.

In 2010 alone, the value of assets seized grew by +52.8% from 2009 and was six times greater than the total for 1989.

Then by 2014, that number had ballooned to roughly $4.5 billion for the year, making this 35% of the entire number of assets collected from 1989 to 2010 in a single year.

Now, according to the FBI, the total amount of goods stolen by criminals in 2014 burglary offenses suffered an estimated $3.9 billion in property losses. This means that the police are now taking more assets than the criminals.

The police have been violating the laws to confiscate assets all over the country. A scathing report on California warns of pervasive abuse by police to rob the people without proving that any crime occurred. Even Eric Holder came out in January suggesting reform because of the widespread abuse of the civil asset forfeiture laws by police.

Bloomberg News has reported now that Stop-and-Seize authority is turning the Police Into Self-Funding Gangs. They are simply confiscating money all under the abuse of this civil asset forfeiture where they do not have to prove you did anything.

read the rest here:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-17/police-civil-asset-forfeitures-exceed-value-all-burglaries-2014

phill4paul
11-17-2015, 03:46 PM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?485406-Police-Civil-Asset-Forfeitures-Exceed-All-Burglaries-in-2014 ;):)

Contumacious
11-17-2015, 03:49 PM
read the rest here:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-17/police-civil-asset-forfeitures-exceed-value-all-burglaries-2014

Police Are More Dangerous To The Public Than Are Criminals (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/09/paul-craig-roberts/are-police-more-dangerous-than-criminals/)

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Zippyjuan
11-17-2015, 06:20 PM
From one of the links in the article: http://www.thecrimereport.org/news/crime-and-justice-news/2015-11-civil-asset-forfeiture-report


A Justice Department spokesman pointed out that big cases, like the $1.7 billion Bernie Madoff judgment and a $1.2 billion case associated with Toyota, have led to large deposits to forfeiture funds in a single year.

Also to note it discusses total assets in the asset forfeiture fund. Those assets were not all seized in one year.


In 2008, there were less than $1.5 billion in the combined asset forfeiture funds of the two agencies. By 2014, that number had tripled, to roughly $4.5 billion.

Just the two cases above accounted for $2.9 billion of that 4.5 billion.

phill4paul
11-17-2015, 06:23 PM
From one of the links in the article: http://www.thecrimereport.org/news/crime-and-justice-news/2015-11-civil-asset-forfeiture-report



Also to note it discusses total assets in the asset forfeiture fund. Those assets were not all seized in one year.



Just the two cases above accounted for $2.9 billion of that 4.5 billion.

fisharmor did a better job of breaking it down than you did.


Ok so for further analysis:

-The FBI statistic is for burglary only. The total of all larceny-theft is 5.5 billion, and the FBI statistics are not clear on whether this includes burglary or not.

-Comparison to burglary is sketchy to begin with, since what police do is armed robbery.

-The asset forfeitures in 2014 include a 1.7bn forfeiture just from Bernie Madoff, and a further 1.2bn forfeiture just from Toyota. Without either of those two the total forfeitures plummets to just 1.6 billion, or less than half of what was burgled.

-Now, why the hell the author didn't make the comparison to armed robbery is quite beyond me, since in 2014 there was only 400 million in armed robbery losses, meaning even when you subtract Toyota and Madoff, police robbed four times as much, and with those cases included, they robbed over 11 times as much.


FBI robbery statistics:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/robbery

Larceny-theft:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/larceny-theft

Burglary:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/burglary

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?485406-Police-Civil-Asset-Forfeitures-Exceed-All-Burglaries-in-2014

Weston White
11-18-2015, 12:30 AM
So-called "asset forfeiture" blatantly violates Amendments: Four, Five, Six, Eight, and Fourteen.

IV: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated"

V: "nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

VI: "to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation"

VIII: "nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

XIV: "No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."