Jeb Bush: We should focus on screening for refugees to be Christian before letting them in

[Yieu]

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[hells_unicorn]

I actually have sympathy for the position that Jeb is allegedly espousing here, and I stress "allegedly" because I highly doubt he is sincere about it. Islam belongs in Islamic countries, end of story, see ya later.

[Yieu]

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[CPUd]

Between this and the other candidates hanging out with the 'execute the gays' pastor, they are doing a good job making sure whoever gets nominated will lose the general election.

[enhanced_deficit]

Terrorism's Christian Godfather (http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1707366,00.html)

You could call George Habash, a Palestinian leader who died in Amman on Saturday at the age of 82, the godfather of Middle East terrorism. If you assumed that Palestinian or Arab extremism somehow sprung entirely from Islam — from the puritanical Wahabbi intolerance and so forth — take a close look at Habash's first name. He was a Greek Orthodox Christian, who sang in his church choir as a boy back in the Palestinian town of Lydda. Habash's life tells us a lot about the long Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which seems as intractable as ever, and prompts reflection on the Middle East's seemingly unstoppable whirlwind of violence.

Habash's group, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), pioneered the hijacking of airplanes as a Middle East terror tactic — one eventually employed by the al-Qaeda hijackers on 9/11 — way back in 1968 when three PFLP armed operatives commandeered an Israeli El Al airliner enroute from Rome to Tel Aviv. Checking in for a flight has never been the same since.

Many PFLP operations remain etched into history as some of the most infamous acts of terrorism. In 1970, PFLP terrorists hijacked four airliners at one time, flew three of them to Jordan, blew them up, and triggered the Black September civil war between Jordan's Hashemite monarchy and Palestinian guerrillas. In 1972, Japanese Red Army terrorists working with the PFLP massacred 24 people at Israel's Lod International Airport (now called Ben Gurion International Airport).

In 1976, the PFLP's last hijacking ended in the daring rescue by Israeli counter-terrorism commandos in Entebbe, Uganda. By then, the actions of Habash's small but radical faction had propelled the Middle East into cycles of violence that were ever more extreme.

What led Habash, a Christian physician — hence his nickname al-Hakim or the doctor — into such a life, of revolution, of killing? The son of a well-to-do merchant, he was trained at the American University of Beirut, the most liberal university in the Middle East then as now. His background was almost identical to that of his best friend, Wadia Haddad, the No. 2 in the PFLP and the operational genius and passionate proponent of the group's terrorist acts. When I asked Habash that question during a series of interviews many years ago, he simply told me about his personal experiences when his family lost its home during Israel's 1948 War of Independence, what the Palestinians call the Catastrophe.

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1707366,00.html



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Before "September 11", there was "Black September"

Luttif Afif , alias Issa (Jesus in Arabic), was the commander of the group of Palestinian fedayeen who invaded the Munich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich) Olympic Village on 5 September 1972 and took as hostage nine members of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel)'s Olympic team after killing two who resisted.

Afif told the German negotiators that he had been born in Nazareth, to a wealthy Christian Arab businessman father and a Jewish mother. Issa was described by Manfred Schreiber, chief of the Munich police and one of the German negotiators, as "very cool and determined, clearly fanatical in his convictions".

Munich massacre

The group's most infamous operation was the killing of 11 Israeli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel) athletes, nine of whom were first taken hostage, and the killing of a German police officer, during the 1972 Summer Olympics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Summer_Olympics) in Munich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich). Black September's official name for the operation was "Ikrit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikrit) and Biram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafr_Bir%27im)", after the names of two Palestinian Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Christian) villages whose residents had been killed or expelled by the Israeli military Haganah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah) in 1948.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_%28group%29#cite_note-4)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_%28group%29


There have been few other killers/terrorists or supporters of such acts who claimed to be in the Christian camp. Even without counting kill toll from George "god told me to attack Iraq" Bush leading this nation on revenge crusade against the wrong country.

Sirhan Sirhan who made terror attack on Bobby Kennedy was a Christian who got angry over Bobb'y pro Israel TV speech.

Virginia Shooter Compared Himself to Christ in Video (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a.1uPhsHJrFM)
By Nick Allen - April 19, 2007 15:42 EDT
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/data?pid=avimage&iid=isCZxrqaiwNU
A video frame grab showing VT gunman Cho Seung Hui
April 19 (Bloomberg) -- The Virginia Tech university student who killed 32 people in modern America's worst mass shooting compared his own impending death to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.



Between this and the other candidates hanging out with the 'execute the gays' pastor, they are doing a good job making sure whoever gets nominated will lose the general election.

Trump and Dr Ben Carson MD CEO (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?470183-Ben-Carson-Being-Gay-Is-A-Choice-Because-Of-Prison-Sex-VIDEO&) did not join that anti-gay rally.


(http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1707366,00.html)

[HVACTech]

Between this and the other candidates hanging out with the 'execute the gays' pastor, they are doing a good job making sure whoever gets nominated will lose the general election.

well. "Gaydar" works pretty good for detecting gays...

I wonder what might work for detecting "Christians"..
perchance our very own Sola Fide could design something? :p

[RJB]

I wonder what might work for detecting "Christians"..
perchance our very own Sola Fide could design something? :p

Considering the population of the world, there might be 1 or maybe even 2 people who he might consider to be Christians. One of them is himself of course.

[hells_unicorn]

I'm sorry that you have taken such a hateful position. In America, we respect the freedom of religion.

I think all religious people should be free, I just don't want to die.

[LibertyEagle]

I'm sorry that you have taken such a hateful position. In America, we respect the freedom of religion.

Hate to tell you, but we do not have any requirement whatsoever to accept any foreigners that we do not want to accept.

Considering that it is some from the Muslim faith who hate our guts, rightly or wrongly, it would be pretty stupid to invite them to our shores.

[69360]

Mcveigh was a Christian...

There is some logic to this though. Muslims are going to be more likely to commit large scale terrorist attacks against the US than Christians at this time.

We don't necessarily have to exclude them. But they should be vetted better. Some might call that profiling, I call it reality.

[Rudeman]

I think religion is irrelevant. It's more so that they're coming from an area like Syria that should breed caution and additional scrutiny. It's unfortunate for the refugees that are truly just trying to flee that hell zone but we know that some will try to take advantage of it.

[hells_unicorn]

Mcveigh was a Christian...

There is some logic to this though. Muslims are going to be more likely to commit large scale terrorist attacks against the US than Christians at this time.

We don't necessarily have to exclude them. But they should be vetted better. Some might call that profiling, I call it reality.

And Janet Reno is a lesbian, and unlike McVeigh, we have video evidence of her child-killing escapades rather than the word of a federal government that obviously never lies. :rolleyes:

Agreed on the other points, though frankly whether they intend violence or not, I don't see a point in importing more heathens to cancel out everyone else's votes.

[Danke]

Mcveigh was a Christian...

There is some logic to this though. Muslims are going to be more likely to commit large scale terrorist attacks against the US than Christians at this time.

We don't necessarily have to exclude them. But they should be vetted better. Some might call that profiling, I call it reality.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpNIMSDwvOw

[Dr.3D]

So exactly how would one screen to make sure someone was Christian? It isn't as if a person couldn't lie about being Christian to be allowed into the country.

[Foreigner]

Screen for being influenced by the hateful wahabi/salafists. Normal muslims who hates these guys can be an asset. For instance the persian community in the US is one of the richest and most successful groups of people.

[Christian Liberty]

I'm sorry that you have taken such a hateful position. In America, we respect the freedom of religion.

Yeah, that satanic concept. No wonder Americans worship the State, because our country is built on the presumption that God doesn't exist.

[Christian Liberty]

I think all religious people should be free, I just don't want to die.

Are you tailoring rhetoric here? Because you and I both know neither of us believe in the modern conception of religious liberty, lol :p

[Yieu]

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[Christian Liberty]

I'm not sure what you're saying. I do believe in God and I do not worship the state.

Yet you're putting American standards of "religious liberty" over God's command.

[Yieu]

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[r3volution 3.0]

@Christian Liberty

What are the practical differences between Islam and your own religion?

https://i.imgur.com/EJXQHlL.png

[Christian Liberty]

No, I'm putting moral standards of religious liberty as more important than bigotry. The Lord has allowed people to choose not to accept Him, in His mercy.

Read Romans 9 first of all. No such thing as "free will." Then go read Deuteronomy 13 and Deuteronomy 17.

[puppetmaster]

Hate to tell you, but we do not have any requirement whatsoever to accept any foreigners that we do not want to accept.

Considering that it is some from the Muslim faith who hate our guts, rightly or wrongly, it would be pretty stupid to invite them to our shores. stupid happens daily in America

[Dr.3D]

Read Romans 9 first of all. No such thing as "free will." Then go read Deuteronomy 13 and Deuteronomy 17.
He can correct me if I'm wrong, but he didn't say he was a Christian.

[specsaregood]

He can correct me if I'm wrong, but he didn't say he was a Christian.

Yieu is a hindu and one I'd rather have here than a great many self-proclaimed Christians I've met.

[Dr.3D]

Yieu is a hindu and one I'd rather have here than a great many self-proclaimed Christians I've met.
And that Sir, is why he wouldn't go and read Deuteronomy 13 and Deuteronomy 17.

[Christian Liberty]

And that Sir, is why he wouldn't go and read Deuteronomy 13 and Deuteronomy 17.

Well that makes sense, lol

[Yieu]

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[Ronin Truth]

Because we all just KNOW for sure that there have NEVER EVER been any loony "Christian" terrorists over the millenia.

[jmdrake]

I am not sure why he thinks it is socially acceptable to express such disdain for those of faiths other than his own in public.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY9ToKN80Ew

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/jeb-bush-only-christians-should-be-allowed-refugee-status-in-response-to-paris-attack/#.Vkixq0t6U68.reddit

Jeb Bush didn't give a crap about Christian refugees when his brother created tens of thousands of them in 2004.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/05/international/middleeast/05syria.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0713/p07s01-woiq.html
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/tens.of.thousands.of.iraqi.christians.flee.en.mass e/1278.htm

[jmdrake]

Yet you're putting American standards of "religious liberty" over God's command.

Would you let Catholics in as you don't consider them Christian? How about Jews? Would you let them in? Would you stone them if they openly defied your command to not close their stores on Sunday?

[tod evans]

Boogity-boogity boo!

The Muslims are coming for you......

:rolleyes:

[jmdrake]

Hate to tell you, but we do not have any requirement whatsoever to accept any foreigners that we do not want to accept.

Considering that it is some from the Muslim faith who hate our guts, rightly or wrongly, it would be pretty stupid to invite them to our shores.

The whole argument is stupid considering the source. Jeb Bush's brother created the Christian refugee crisis back in 2004 and nobody gave a crap. Right now Christian Tariq Aziz, the highest ranking Christian is Saddam's cabinet, is on death row for the "crime" of suppressing Islamic militancy and Jeb Bush's brother put him there. That is what we should be talking about as opposed to whether on not we let Muslim refugees in. Deal with the source of the problem. Fake Christians pretending to give a rip about Christian refugees in the Middle East over 10 years after stupid Christians in America caused the problem make me want to throw up.

[Liberty74]

I like Australia's rule for immigrants.

If you don't provide a "value" meaning bringing something to the table of worth, you don't get in.

Doesn't matter if Christian or not or whatever you are. Bring something and don't bring your way of life trying to force it on the rest of us because you are offended by the American flag or whatever insensitivity you need to speak to your therapist about.

Immigration should be very controlled or it's going to spell disaster for a country. But then again, the super elites want that.

[Danke]

The whole argument is stupid considering the source. Jeb Bush'ns brother created the Christian refugee crisis back in 2004 and nobody gave a crap. Right now Christian Tariq Aziz, the highest ranking Christian is Saddam's cabinet, is on death row for the "crime" of suppressing Islamic militancy and Jeb Bush's brother put him there. That is what we should be talking about as opposed to whether on not we let Muslim refugees in. Deal with the source of the problem. Fake Christians pretending to give a rip about Christian refugees in the Middle East over 10 years after stupid Christians in America caused the problem make me want to throw up.

Wrong guy, Tariq Aziz died in June.

[jmdrake]

Wrong guy, Tariq Aziz died in June.

Right guy. But didn't know he had died. Sorry to hear that. He really was a good man. :( The neocons will burn in hell for that.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Yeah, that satanic concept. No wonder Americans worship the State, because our country is built on the presumption that God doesn't exist.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights

Most of the founding fathers believed in God.

[Christian Liberty]

Most of the founding fathers believed in God.

Yeah but America was the first ever experiment in religious pluralism.


Would you let Catholics in as you don't consider them Christian? How about Jews? Would you let them in?

Its not really an issue of who can or can't come in as it is that you wouldn't be allowed to spread your false religion in a Christian nation.


Would you stone them if they openly defied your command to not close their stores on Sunday?

Probably not, but if the disobedience was continual and flagrant than maybe. I think that per Nehemiah's example there is some flexibility on this, and that it doesn't always need to be a death penalty offense, but under some instances it should be.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Yeah but America was the first ever experiment in religious pluralism.

Christianity also influences America more than any Western country except maybe South Africa if it's counted as "Western."

[enhanced_deficit]

Mcveigh was a Christian...



Did not know that.

[RonPaulMall]

So exactly how would one screen to make sure someone was Christian? It isn't as if a person couldn't lie about being Christian to be allowed into the country.

The Christian community in Syria is not particularly large and it is tight knit. Verifying that a family belongs the Church would not be hard at all.

[Christian Liberty]

Christianity also influences America more than any Western country except maybe South Africa if it's counted as "Western."

This is true but we've seriously regressed since the puritans. Its true that these days the constitution is comparatively Christian, but when it was written it was not.

[jmdrake]

The Christian community in Syria is not particularly large and it is tight knit. Verifying that a family belongs the Church would not be hard at all.

Except that since we screwed up back in 2003, a large number of Iraqi Christians went to Syria. Syria was a safe haven for Christians so who knows who else fled there to escape the effects of the stupidity of U.S. foreign policy.

[RJB]

Its not really an issue of who can or can't come in as it is that you wouldn't be allowed to spread your false religion in a Christian nation.
.

Good luck enforcing it if they eventually out number you.

[jmdrake]

Its not really an issue of who can or can't come in as it is that you wouldn't be allowed to spread your false religion in a Christian nation.


And Islamists let Christians and Jews in their country as long as they don't spread what the Islamists see as "false religion." That even goes for ISIS. It's a propaganda that ISIS forces Christians to convert or die. Christians can convert, pay the dhimmi tax, or die. And the dhimmi tax is basically what Muslims have to pay in terms of charity. So on the face of it, ISIS isn't any worse that what you propose.


Probably not, but if the disobedience was continual and flagrant than maybe. I think that per Nehemiah's example there is some flexibility on this, and that it doesn't always need to be a death penalty offense, but under some instances it should be.

Yeah. The women who pray with their heads uncovered get caned. After all, the Bible says that's wrong.

[jmdrake]

Good luck enforcing it if they eventually out number you.

Thankfully Christian Liberty and his fellow theonomists are already outnumbered. Lucky for them the rest of us allow them to push their false religion. ;)

[RJB]

Mcveigh was a Christian...

I heard he was raised Christian, was an atheist at the time of the bombing and attempted to get back with God as his execution drew near.

But even if he was a Christian, no where did that appear to be the force that compelled him to bomb the building. It seemed more of his retaliatory blow from what he witnessed in Iraq to what he saw at Waco.

[Tywysog Cymru]

This is true but we've seriously regressed since the puritans. Its true that these days the constitution is comparatively Christian, but when it was written it was not.

I'm pretty sure it was one of the few Constitutions at the time. Most countries then didn't actually have Constitutions so the king or queen just made the laws.

The problem with making Christianity the official religion and restricting freedom for other religions is that you end up with a lot of cultural Christians. Just look at all the European Protestant nations. Let those who believe in falsehood have other avenues for spreading their beliefs so they don't end up using the church.

[RonPaulMall]

Except that since we screwed up back in 2003, a large number of Iraqi Christians went to Syria. Syria was a safe haven for Christians so who knows who else fled there to escape the effects of the stupidity of U.S. foreign policy.

Still wouldn't be particularly hard to identify Christians.

[Foreigner]

It's important to remember that most Syrian refugees are still in Syria. Assad controls 1/4 of the area of Syria, but 2/3 of the population. Something like half of them have fled from elsewhere. If Assad should fall, like the neocons want, the flood of refugees will be five times what it is now.

[RonPaulMall]

It's important to remember that most Syrian refugees are still in Syria. Assad controls 1/4 of the area of Syria, but 2/3 of the population. Something like half of them have fled from elsewhere. If Assad should fall, like the neocons want, the flood of refugees will be five times what it is now.

Also, Syria isn't even the real problem. Africa is, and that problem isn't going away no matter what happens with regard to war or foreign policy. Either Europe and the US end mass migration, or Europe and the US are going to disappear. Simple as that.

http://2kpcwh2r7phz1nq4jj237m22.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/PopulationProjections.jpg

[Sola_Fide]

No, I'm putting moral standards of religious liberty as more important than bigotry. The Lord has allowed people to choose not to accept Him, in His mercy.

First, it's not biblical to say God "allows" anything, especially the choices of men. God ordains all things, including and especially the choices of men.

Secondly, religious liberty is not consistent with worldviews that maintain free will. Religious liberty is consistent with a predestinarian worldview because it maintains that nothing in this world can move the will...only God can. This invalidates the institutions of men to affect or control the mind of man. It promotes liberty.

The notion of free will does the opposite. It maintains that the will of man CAN be moved by something other than God alone. And if this is the case, it is only a short time before this desire to move the will flows from the individual to the collective.

Religious liberty in America was born from Reformed Christianity...many Baptistic.

[Yieu]

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[euphemia]

Does anyone notice that all the so-called *refugees* are all Muslim? The Christians are being left to the slaughter in their homelands.

[Sola_Fide]

When the Lord allows something, which is like a small sense of free will, it is really only that we do something because He has decided it will go that way. Ultimately He is the supreme controller.

Ok. But where are you getting this? The Bible alone is the word of God.

[Danke]

Right guy. But didn't know he had died. Sorry to hear that. He really was a good man. :( The neocons will burn in hell for that.

Don't think it was a death sentence, and he died in a hospital.

[Christian Liberty]

First, it's not biblical to say God "allows" anything, especially the choices of men. God ordains all things, including and especially the choices of men.

Secondly, religious liberty is not consistent with worldviews that maintain free will. Religious liberty is consistent with a predestinarian worldview because it maintains that nothing in this world can move the will...only God can. This invalidates the institutions of men to affect or control the mind of man. It promotes liberty.

The notion of free will does the opposite. It maintains that the will of man CAN be moved by something other than God alone. And if this is the case, it is only a short time before this desire to move the will flows from the individual to the collective.

Religious liberty in America was born from Reformed Christianity...many Baptistic.

Reformed Christianity is fundamentally opposed to religious liberty. Though baptist Christianity tends to be more in favor of it.

[euphemia]

Asking again: Anyone noticing that none of the refugees are ever Christian? It seems like the Muslims would be happy to have Christians out of the country and live at peace in a Muslim world. Why is that?

Maybe because peace in a Muslim world is not the goal?

[hells_unicorn]

Are you tailoring rhetoric here? Because you and I both know neither of us believe in the modern conception of religious liberty, lol :p

Actually I was ironically ripping off a joke from South Park, and I was also being purposefully ambiguous. I didn't say that all religious people should be free to spout their rubbish in public, nor did I even specify what religious people I was referring to, I was simply pointing out the inevitable outcome of bringing in Syrian Ishmaelites into this country. Allow me to restate what I meant in a less ambiguous fashion :p

Syrian Muslims = Bombs that go boom!
Bombs that go boom = Death for anyone in blast radius
Syrian Muslims/Bombs that go boom in America = Death for Americans

Logic, you doth cut through the rhetoric with your cold reality.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Reformed Christianity is fundamentally opposed to religious liberty. Though baptist Christianity tends to be more in favor of it.

I don't know why you say that. I've never heard anyone from a Reformed background argue against religious liberty. Truth doesn't need laws to protect it from lies.

[Sola_Fide]

I don't know why you say that. I've never heard anyone from a Reformed background argue against religious liberty. Truth doesn't need laws to protect it from lies.

Not truly Reformed. There are a lot of offshoots to modern Reformed thinking that are just as totalitarian as Rome. Read the Danbury Baptist letter to Thomas Jefferson to understand the truly Reformed (baptistic) position on religious liberty.

[Sola_Fide]

Reformed Christianity is fundamentally opposed to religious liberty. Though baptist Christianity tends to be more in favor of it.

Would you care to respond to my post. What do you think about it?

[hells_unicorn]

Not truly Reformed. There are a lot of offshoots to modern Reformed thinking that are just as totalitarian as Rome. Read the Danbury Baptist letter to Thomas Jefferson to understand the truly Reformed (baptistic) position on religious liberty.

The Magistrate Reformers (none of whom were Baptists, they got to the scene a good bit later) were not proponents of the rationalistic understanding of liberty of conscience espoused by Thomas Jefferson and his forerunners, nor should anyone calling themselves "Reformed" be openly concurring with the rights of heretics to publicly spread lies without civil reciprocity.

Even if I were to buy into the notion that a greater degree of "tolerance" should be afforded to schismatic Christian sectarians, even this is a far-cry from allowing hordes of scorpion-tailed locusts from the smoke of the bottomless pit (Muslims, see Revelation 9) into our midst where they will consume us all.

[Christian Liberty]

I don't know why you say that. I've never heard anyone from a Reformed background argue against religious liberty. Truth doesn't need laws to protect it from lies.

Because they're modernists like most people these days, lol.


Actually I was ironically ripping off a joke from South Park, and I was also being purposefully ambiguous. I didn't say that all religious people should be free to spout their rubbish in public, nor did I even specify what religious people I was referring to, I was simply pointing out the inevitable outcome of bringing in Syrian Ishmaelites into this country. Allow me to restate what I meant in a less ambiguous fashion :p

Syrian Muslims = Bombs that go boom!
Bombs that go boom = Death for anyone in blast radius
Syrian Muslims/Bombs that go boom in America = Death for Americans

Logic, you doth cut through the rhetoric with your cold reality.

Yeah, I hear you :(

Not truly Reformed. There are a lot of offshoots to modern Reformed thinking that are just as totalitarian as Rome. Read the Danbury Baptist letter to Thomas Jefferson to understand the truly Reformed (baptistic) position on religious liberty.


Would you care to respond to my post. What do you think about it?

First of all I think that your revisionism to make the baptists the truly reformed is absurd. Reformed theology is Presbyterian. Reformed Baptists may be close to that in some ways, but they do not have the "True reformed" position. In fact baptists really aren't that reformed anyway.

More importantly, your predestination argument is silly because it acts as though predestination didn't exist when God gave his civil laws to Israel. Yet it is clear that suppression of "religious liberty" and God's sovereign choice were able to go hand in hand.

[Christian Liberty]

The Magistrate Reformers (none of whom were Baptists, they got to the scene a good bit later) were not proponents of the rationalistic understanding of liberty of conscience espoused by Thomas Jefferson and his forerunners, nor should anyone calling themselves "Reformed" be openly concurring with the rights of heretics to publicly spread lies without civil reciprocity.

Even if I were to buy into the notion that a greater degree of "tolerance" should be afforded to schismatic Christian sectarians, even this is a far-cry from allowing hordes of scorpion-tailed locusts from the smoke of the bottomless pit (Muslims, see Revelation 9) into our midst where they will consume us all.

I'm not sure where I stand on the eschatological point as I lean more partial preterist but am not certain of where I stand on Revelation. But aside from this I would more or less agree with this post.

(I'm pretty sure I'd tolerate Baptists more than you would, much though they frustrate me. I don't think that's an issue that the magistrate needs to have a say in.)

[jmdrake]

Don't think it was a death sentence, and he died in a hospital.

Here is the report of where he was sentenced to die. The sentence was never carried out but I never heard of it being commuted.

http://www.voanews.com/content/former-iraqi-foreign-minister-to-hang-105755578/128975.html
Former Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz has been sentenced to death for persecuting religious parties in the 1980s. Aziz, one of the most prominent figures of the Saddam Hussein era, is expected to appeal the verdict.

Aziz was found guilty of repressing members of the Dawa party, the Shi'ite group which claims current Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki as a member.

No date was given for his execution by hanging. Aziz had pleaded not guilty to the charges.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Because they're modernists like most people these days, lol.

"Modernist" is the last word I would use to describe these people. You should meet them, especially the elderly British Reformed preachers I've known.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Not truly Reformed. There are a lot of offshoots to modern Reformed thinking that are just as totalitarian as Rome. Read the Danbury Baptist letter to Thomas Jefferson to understand the truly Reformed (baptistic) position on religious liberty.

I didn't know that the Danbury Baptists were Reformed. Learn something new every day I guess.

[Christian Liberty]

"Modernist" is the last word I would use to describe these people. You should meet them, especially the elderly British Reformed preachers I've known.

Maybe that's too mean. There are a lot of solid Reformed teachers that are wrong on this. Theology is more important than politics, and so I would certainly not dismiss a solid Reformed preacher in general because he is off on this issue.

However, the reality is that religious theocracy was the reformed position back in 1650. In fact a version that would make me look quite tolerant in comparison. It was only in the 18th century where "religious liberty" became the normative position in reformed theology. I think that for a lot of people this really is because people like their modernist assumptions about politics more than what the Bible says about it. That isn't always the case. Honestly for Sola, with his constant accusations of "tyranny" and ridiculous comparisons to Roman Catholicism, I think he is similarly afflicted with modernistic crap. So was John Robbins, which is where he gets most of his nonsense against theonomy from. I have met people who are not theonomists who I would not put in that camp though.

[Christian Liberty]

I didn't know that the Danbury Baptists were Reformed. Learn something new every day I guess.

More and more I refuse to call baptists reformed period. And for other reasons beyond just this one. They're Reformed soteriologically, but not reformed in so many other ways.

[Tywysog Cymru]

More and more I refuse to call baptists reformed period. And for other reasons beyond just this one. They're Reformed soteriologically, but not reformed in so many other ways.

How are Baptists not Reformed?

[Christian Liberty]

How are Baptists not Reformed?

Mostly infant baptism and sacramentology, but also the general mindset is usually radically different. Hermaneutics, etc.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Mostly infant baptism and sacramentology, but also the general mindset is usually radically different. Hermaneutics, etc.

"Radically different" how? I've always thought that Reformed Baptists and Reformed Presbyterians were very similar.

[wizardwatson]

Well, more than half the nations governors rejecting Syrian refugees.

I guess if we can't only get Christians the next most Christian thing to do is to not take any of them.

I would think we could at least take women kids and old people.

Is there some precedent for Children of the Corn ISIS terrorist operations I'm unaware of?

[enhanced_deficit]

Well, more than half the nations governors rejecting Syrian refugees.

I guess if we can't only get Christians the next most Christian thing to do is to not take any of them.


Are you sure, more than half of US (a christian majority nation) States would reject even Christian refugees being persecuted out of Syria?

That goes very against the teachings of Jesus.

[Christian Liberty]

"Radically different" how? I've always thought that Reformed Baptists and Reformed Presbyterians were very similar.

For the most part this is true especially if its actually a Reformed Baptist and not just a Calvinistic one. I was mostly just getting annoyed with Sola's revisionism pretending like the baptist position was "the" Reformed position.

[hells_unicorn]

"Radically different" how? I've always thought that Reformed Baptists and Reformed Presbyterians were very similar.

Ow! Ow!!! My poor head. :confused:

[DevilsAdvocate]

You know, "Jeb Bush" is sort of redundant. "Jeb" is an acronym for "John Ellis Bush". So "Jeb Bush" is "John Ellis Bush Bush".

It really should be just "Jeb"

[Yieu]

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[Christian Liberty]

Ow! Ow!!! My poor head. :confused:

You want to actually answer this? I think I probably overstated my point in part due to annoyance with Sola particularly but I am curious what you think about this.

[notsure]

So he would allow isis into the US, just as long as they pass a Christianity test?

[enhanced_deficit]

Some historic trivia:


What Americans thought of Jewish refugees on the eve of World War II

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT9-1b8WoAAfYWt.jpg

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/17/what-americans-thought-of-jewish-refugees-on-the-eve-of-world-war-ii/

[Yieu]

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