Give me a -good- response...

[Forefall]

From another forum:


rofl, Ron Paul is a fraud. To get out of all treaties because they weaken US independance? lol, he seems to believe in some higher conspiracy to erase all north american borders through NAFTA. And of course a private education system is soooo smart..to ruin a country's future. Rofl, someone plz tell Ron Paul we left the 18th century. Hes just a another conservative pretending hes libertarian while he's also pro-life. But of course no-one expects him to make sense, since he believes a text old of 220 years should be considered absolute truth and fairness.

Luckily we're in the 21st century, cuz 70years ago all Ron Paul supporters would probably have been Hitler supporters, damn those immigrants so not pure!

Edit : shit I didn't even read his positions on economy rofl. Minimization of market interference? because obviously that worked SO awesome. Everyone enjoyed the 20s overproduction crisis due to lack of market control..o wait.

I'm not overly well versed politically. I am knowledgeable on the subject, but for some reason I can never put it in words persuasively. I have hundreds of responses that would blow this kid out of the water in my head, but I can't seem to write them down in a coherent manner without coming off as an arrogant prick, :o

Normally, I would not even consider rebutting such a ridiculous bunch of statements, with someone who obviously hasn't done much research into the matter, but I feel I should at least state my opinion.

Halp?

[FreeTraveler]

The best response I can come up with is "You're an uneducated asshole and life's too short to waste it in a battle of wits with an unarmed man."

Hopefully, somebody who's not as tired of educating the uneducatable will give you a somewhat better response. :)

[Forefall]

The best response I can come up with is "You're an uneducated asshole and life's too short to waste it in a battle of wits with an unarmed man."

Hopefully, somebody who's not as tired of educating the uneducatable will give you a somewhat better response. :)

I'm highly tempted to post that statement, but I'll choose not to in this case :D

[curtisag]

North American Union information straight from the Council on Foreign Relations:

http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/

Ron Paul does not oppose public education. He opposes the federal government interfering in local schools which are primarily funded by local and state property taxes. That is a misconception. Our local school and teachers can better determine how to teach our children.

He supports the state's right to determine the legality of abortion. Ron believes the more contentious and polarizing an issue is, the more it should be controlled locally. That means abortion might become illegal in Kansas, but would be legal in a neighboring state in the 1st trimester. This is the best way to solve this issue, so we can focus on more pressing concerns like the deterioration of the value of our US dollar and the national debt which is approx. $9 trillion.

The great depression was caused by federal reserve's manipulation of the money supply. They took control of our money in 1913, and the value of our money is now $0.04 compared to 1 dollar back then. The overproduction you speak of is linked to monetary policy.

[McLane2007]

Its a waste of time you can't convert people that set against someone you should just focus on finding people who have not heard Ron Paul's message and inform them.

[qednick]

Its a waste of time you can't convert people that set against someone you should just focus on finding people who have not heard Ron Paul's message and inform them.

Yeah this is true but... you don't know who else may read their baseless and stupid comments and take their words as gospel. Which is why we should always counter with strong arguments. ;)

[Talldude1412]

rofl, Ron Paul is a fraud. To get out of all treaties because they weaken US independance? lol, he seems to believe in some higher conspiracy to erase all north american borders through NAFTA. And of course a private education system is soooo smart..to ruin a country's future. Rofl, someone plz tell Ron Paul we left the 18th century. Hes just a another conservative pretending hes libertarian while he's also pro-life. But of course no-one expects him to make sense, since he believes a text old of 220 years should be considered absolute truth and fairness.

Luckily we're in the 21st century, cuz 70years ago all Ron Paul supporters would probably have been Hitler supporters, damn those immigrants so not pure!

Edit : shit I didn't even read his positions on economy rofl. Minimization of market interference? because obviously that worked SO awesome. Everyone enjoyed the 20s overproduction crisis due to lack of market control..o wait.

Well here's a quick point by point. For the sake of others who might believe this kid has any points.

- Treaties: Removing ourselves from treaties ensures that US citizens can decide for themselves the role of their country in the world. Having to live up to treaties written 30-40 yrs ago seems more moronic in an ever changing geopolitical climate than does honoring a document written 200 some years ago that deals with reducing the dangers of over-powerful invasive central governments.

- NAFTA: There are certainly more than one powerful lobby that would benefit from a more unified North America with an inter- country governing body. See above poster for more info on that.

- Private School System: Ron Paul advocates forcing public schools to compete with private for students and therefore money, make them liable for providing an acceptable education for their students. He does not advocate removing the public school system, he advocate removing the central governing bureaucracy in Washington and allowing each state to deal with its own public education.

- Pro-Life: Ron Paul is pro- life but also respects that other citizens have an opinion opposite his own and believes each state should decide for itself what its policy on abortion should be.

- Hitler Supporters: Hitler was a fascist dictator. Ron Paul is a small government advocator of democratic republicanism. Hitler blamed Jews for the financial woes of its country. Ron Paul blames an inept central governemt. Hitler waged a war of aggression against all of Europe. Ron Paul believes in non-interventionism.

- Immigration: Ron Paul advocates enforcing our sovereignty as a nation, which cannot be done without having enforced borders. Immigrants are welcome and encouraged, but illegally entering our country is illegal, and is a major security liability.

- Market Interference: Gov't has about as much market sense as a cow understands its DNA structure.

Final overall point that matters most. Ron Paul is not an executive power abuser, he will push any legislation he backs through Congress the way it is meant to be. He has no delusions to getting the majority of his domestic policies enacted fully.

[Oddball]

From another forum:



I'm not overly well versed politically. I am knowledgeable on the subject, but for some reason I can never put it in words persuasively. I have hundreds of responses that would blow this kid out of the water in my head, but I can't seem to write them down in a coherent manner without coming off as an arrogant prick, :o

Normally, I would not even consider rebutting such a ridiculous bunch of statements, with someone who obviously hasn't done much research into the matter, but I feel I should at least state my opinion.

Halp?
First of all, we left the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries as a matter of the fact that time marches on, not because of any socialistic gubmint programs.

As for the rest of that leftist ignoramus' post, their patently skewed view of economics and the history of how America was plunged into the Great Depression pretty much shows that their skull is impermiable to any information other than what they were spoonfed in gubmint schools.

If I were you, I'd not waste my time on this big gubmint-loving socialist toady.

P.S. Here's a great piece on what really brough about the Great Depression and how FDR's idiotic meddling actually made things worse:

http://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=4013

[tonyr1988]

Also, point out that Paul doesn't think the Constitution is perfect (or entirely "true"). But it's the law, so he abides by it. What's wrong with that?

Heck - Paul wants a lot of things in the Constitution changed, through legal means.

[Voluntaryist]

Ok I typed up a response. Feel free to edit or cherry pick from it:


rofl, Ron Paul is a fraud.

Constitutionalism is a fraud? What country are you from, bro?


To get out of all treaties because they weaken US independance?

Because they make us more hated, more vulnerable, and more broke. Look at the world today. Nobody could argue that the treaties HELPED the US position.


lol, he seems to believe in some higher conspiracy to erase all north american borders through NAFTA.

So does the entire Canadian province of Alberta, since they have passed legislation to get the project moving forward with US help.


And of course a private education system is soooo smart..to ruin a country's future.

It was the federally controlled education system that RUINED the education of an entire generation fo US schoolchildren. Even the public school administrators admit that they are failing. Why do private schools get such better marks than public ones? Because they ARE better. The voucher system was nothing less than an admission of the failure of the public school system. You shouldnt talk about things you know nothing of.


Rofl, someone plz tell Ron Paul we left the 18th century. Hes just a another conservative pretending hes libertarian while he's also pro-life. But of course no-one expects him to make sense, since he believes a text old of 220 years should be considered absolute truth and fairness.

So should all 220+ year old stuff be discarded? Shakespeare? The Bible? Tsun Szu? The age of a document has no bearing on its value. And your anti-constitutionalist attitude would not be well received by any voting american. Youre making yourself look like the fringe kook here, not Ron Paul.


Luckily we're in the 21st century, cuz 70years ago all Ron Paul supporters would probably have been Hitler supporters, damn those immigrants so not pure!

Oh yes, an anti-interventionist free market Paul and a invasion-obsessed socialist Hitler have SOOOOOO much in common! The proper analogy is Bush = Hitler, what with their state-sponsored religion and pre-emptive war.


Edit : shit I didn't even read his positions on economy rofl. Minimization of market interference? because obviously that worked SO awesome.

In fact, it did. Thanks to government interference, the US Dollar is now worth less than the Canadian dollar. Gold prices are skyrocketing too thanks to the government. And if you dont know what it means when gold prices skyrocket, then you should shut up about economics and free market cause you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

[Wingman]

my sugestion on repsonse :-

quote: "rofl, Ron Paul is a fraud. To get out of all treaties because they weaken US independance? lol, he seems to believe in some higher conspiracy to erase all north american borders through NAFTA. And of course a private education system is soooo smart..to ruin a country's future. Rofl, someone plz tell Ron Paul we left the 18th century. Hes just a another conservative pretending hes libertarian while he's also pro-life. But of course no-one expects him to make sense, since he believes a text old of 220 years should be considered absolute truth and fairness.

Luckily we're in the 21st century, cuz 70years ago all Ron Paul supporters would probably have been Hitler supporters, damn those immigrants so not pure!

Edit : shit I didn't even read his positions on economy rofl. Minimization of market interference? because obviously that worked SO awesome. Everyone enjoyed the 20s overproduction crisis due to lack of market control..o wait."

treaties: i think ron paul's view is that america should step back from treasties to a greater degree than the current engagement level. he is not advocating isolaationism but he wants to show the US respects nation's privacy and their right to self determination. thats why hes a good balance for the current situation of war no matter what.

nafta: ron paul suspects there is a conspiracy. in truth it is a subconscious conspiracy. whether or not that is the case, he still want s to uphold america's right to self determination and future as an independent upstading nation.

private schools, 220 yr old text - im not sure what he is refering to.

ron pau;s' radical policies: some of ron pauls policies do sound a bit radical. but what we can tell people is that ron paul's beliefs are sincere - and what is more important he believes in working with congress to effect them. naturally this wil mean a balancing out. this is much better than the current president who doesnt believe in working with congress at all and wants to stamp out the spearatation of powers.

the other candidates well -- they dot even realise this stamping out is going on. they actually want more power for the president.

so -- ron paul is the only candidate who respects the true status of the president.

once they realise that ron paul will win.

thats my humble opinion. pls discuss if wanted.

[Talldude1412]

........ its uplifting to see such logical reasonable responses from my peers in this group. It reaffirms to me that I am aligned with the right group of people. :)

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Seems like your guy got all his info about Ron Paul from John McCain. The responses that have already been given are good.

[Talldude1412]

What forum was this on anyways?